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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #420 on: June 06, 2011, 03:00:11 PM »
SO?? Any news on Jack's shocking revelations??

He ent sing yet. Placido will give him lessons.

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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #421 on: June 06, 2011, 05:52:51 PM »
So, basically, this won't all be over until the fat Spaniard sings  :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #422 on: June 06, 2011, 07:58:30 PM »
FIFA seeks Placido Domingo's advice
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LONDON -- Opera great Placido Domingo has been asked by FIFA president Sepp Blatter to join a new committee intended to help clean up world soccer's governing body.

Blatter hopes the 70-year-old Spanish-born tenor will sit on a "council of wisdom" alongside former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and former Netherlands player Johan Cruyff.

"These gentlemen are more or less advisers, they are not the experts ...," Blatter told CNN on Monday during a visit to Azerbaijan. "What they should be also is the kind of council of wisdom, which my executive committee would not like because they think they are the council of wisdom."

Domingo's best known involvement in soccer has been appearing at concerts before four consecutive World Cups from 1990 with Jose Carreras and Luciano Pavarotti, who were collectively known as The Three Tenors.

Announcing the invitation to Domingo to join the FIFA committee, Blatter said: "He is happy, he is proud that he is part (of it)."

Domingo could not be reached for comment.

Blatter also defended the decision to appoint the 88-year-old Kissinger, who has yet to make a firm commitment to become an adviser.

"People say he is an old man, but he is a wise man," Blatter said.

The committee will have the power to investigate and suggest solutions to problems as FIFA recovers from a bribery scandal, which saw executive committee members Mohamed bin Hammam and Jack Warner suspended from all soccer activities during the investigation.

After being elected last week to serve a fourth term as president, Blatter said he hopes to "bring back this credibility to FIFA."

He defended the decision to not have an independent chairman for the new solutions committee, saying he did not want to "open our border and say everyone can come in."

"The football family has asked me to solve the solution inside the FIFA and not outside the FIFA," Blatter said. "We are a very organized institution with 208 associations, six continents. I've put already zero tolerance in the agenda."

I think Kermit the Frog free for a couple months.

nah Oprah might be a better choice now that she no longer doing her daytime show.  Yeah, oprah and Blatter , nice couple.
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #423 on: June 07, 2011, 07:33:44 AM »
So, basically, this won't all be over until the fat Spaniard sings  :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #424 on: June 07, 2011, 08:49:14 AM »
SO?? Any news on Jack's shocking revelations??

He ent sing yet. Placido will give him lessons.

He better pray is really Placido and not Plaxido.

Or even Plaxico
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #425 on: June 07, 2011, 09:03:30 AM »
hey guys update

FIFA not changing, is smoke and mirrors for them boys, why yuh think the headquarters is in switzerland? nuff money swapping around without record or accountablity
Blatter done say no investigation into the world cup bidding, they will throw us a bone and change the bidding /voting process.
warner is the scape goat but doh feel sorry he playing the game with them, they have more spin doctors than yuh could imagine, plus the hardest part to swallow. they might be corrupt but they not stupid nothing they have done is actually illegal (well besides moving cash accross international borders, cough cough Piarco?) even if all were proven guilty, not one would face a criminal charge, they just lose thier job and some face but done already have the money in the bank (ask duprey how he does it)
FIFA is a mafia with thier own ethics and code that the rest of us are affected by but can do nothing about it.
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #426 on: June 07, 2011, 09:16:40 AM »
Anybody wonder how Jackula could claim to have evidence of wrongdoing and then refuse to release it upon "legal advice"? In the interest of propriety he should release it. The only reason his legal advisors would tell him not to is that he was guilty of wrongdoing and the evidence implicates him. Steups. Sometimes I feel dem other fellas does be sleeping. Jack done give people all dey need to hang he backside!
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #427 on: June 07, 2011, 09:19:25 AM »
SO?? Any news on Jack's shocking revelations??

He ent sing yet. Placido will give him lessons.

He better pray is really Placido and not Plaxido.

Or even Plaxico

Or maybe someone would get a Placebo on corruption...

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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #428 on: June 07, 2011, 10:07:32 AM »
FIFA BRIBERY SCANDAL
Camps, Burrell stand in Warner’s corner
Published: Tue, 2011-06-07 20:41
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Oliver Camps Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation President Oliver Camps is standing in the corner of Jack Warner during his ongoing suspension by FIFA from all football-related activities. Camps, who was in Zurich last week for the FIFA Congress, has worked closely with Warner for a long time dating back to the 1970s when he managed the T&T Senior Team straight up until 1992 during which time he became President of the TTFF up to this day. “The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, which is affiliated to FIFA, CONCACAF and the CFU reiterates its support for its Adviser Mr Austin Jack Warner in the matter under consideration by the FIFA,” Camps stated.

Meantime, Jamaican Football Federation President Captain Horace Burrell is also supporting Warner and has defended the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), deflecting suggestions of guilt in the bribery scandal which has rocked the foundations of FIFA during a stormy presidential election campaign. “To restore the integrity of the region, the present leaders of the Caribbean Football Union must call on all the federations which received and kept the forty thousand US Dollars (US$40,000) bribe to return it,” stated Burrell who is the acting President of the Caribbean Football union in Warner’s absence. “FIFA’s Ethics Committee is currently considering the matter and we await the final outcome of its investigation and due process,” Burrell noted. “Let me state categorically that the JFF was not offered, neither received, any funds prior to, during or after the referenced CFU meeting held May 10-11 in Trinidad,” the acting CFU head stated.
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #429 on: June 07, 2011, 12:14:30 PM »
Or even Plaxico

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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #430 on: June 07, 2011, 03:37:45 PM »
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #431 on: June 07, 2011, 06:50:10 PM »
No local investigation into FIFA bribe allegations
Tuesday 7th June, 2011
 
Police Commissioner, Dwayne Gibbs says he is not satisfied that any investigation is necessary into the controversial meeting of the Caribbean Football Union held on May 10th to 11th at the Hyatt hotel.
 
The Opposition PNM asked the Commissioner to investigate the meeting at which bribes were said to have been offered to delegates.
 
The PNM disclosed yesterday that it had written to the Commissioner of Police, enquiring whether an investigation had been launched into the CFU meeting hosted by Concacaf President, Jack Warner and then FIFA Presidential candidate, Mohamed Bin Hamman.
 
The allegation is that bribes of US$40,000 each amounting to over $1 million were offered to delegates. Officials of the Bahamas Football Association released pictures of the alleged bribe money supposedly taken at the CFU meeting.  Opposition Senator, Fitzgerald Hinds asked whether there had been a breech of either the  Exchange Control Act or the Customs Act.
 
Commissioner Gibbs said today that so far there is no evidence to suggest that an investigation should be launched.
 
"Well at this particular moment the police are not investigating. Until we have information that we would suggest that we enter into some sort of a criminal investigation, we won't investigate. There are a lot of allegations."
 
Journalists expressed the concern that it seems that details of high profile cases of national interest are being witheld from from the public.
 
In response, the Commissioner was adamant that the police must be cautious about the information it releases...
 
"We don't need to investigate things that there is really nothing tangible  to investigate."
 
He said despite the fact that criminal investigations have been triggered by stories in the media, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service cannot open an investigation despite reports of affidavits being sworn by FIFA executive members about what took place at the meeting. He said the Service must act on more than just suspicion.
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #432 on: June 08, 2011, 04:56:03 AM »
Caribbean federations won't attend FIFA hearings
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The majority of Caribbean football federations will not attend planned questioning with FIFA's bribery investigators, a source told Reuters yesterday.

FIFA's investigating team, which includes ex-FBI head Louis Freeh's company, were due in Miami yesterday to conduct interviews with the Caribbean federations who had been invited to attend.

But a Caribbean soccer source said that close to 20 of the 25 federations in the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) had opted not to show up for the interviews which are also scheduled for today.

"They intend to have a meeting of their own soon to discuss the situation," said the source, who declined to be named.

A FIFA spokesman declined to discuss details of the meeting or attendance in Miami.

"As you may understand and in order not to compromise the efficiency of the investigation, FIFA cannot provide details of the investigation or comment on it while it is ongoing," he said.

Three CFU officials, president Jack Warner and staff members Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester, have been provisionally suspended by FIFA's ethics committee pending a full inquiry into bribery allegations surrounding a meeting in the Caribbean with Asian soccer chief Mohamed Bin Hammam.

Some Caribbean federations, including the Bahamas and Puerto Rican bodies, have told FIFA they were offered money at the meeting.

The decision to not attend the interviews in Miami comes after a letter was sent by one Caribbean federation to FIFA president Sepp Blatter urging him to remove Freeh from the investigation.

"The investigation is tainted and biased and clearly has a US driven agenda," a federation official wrote in a letter to FIFA seen by Reuters.

The report to FIFA's ethics committee was initiated by American Chuck Blazer, general secretary of CONCACAF, the regional body for soccer in North and Central America and the Caribbean.

Blazer worked with Chicago-based lawyer John Collins on the dossier and with an American now leading the investigation and with the interviews being held in Florida, Blatter was asked to intervene.

The letter asked Blatter, who is not a member of the Ethics committee, to replace Freeh with a "truly independent investigator and secure a neutral venue for the interview of any Caribbean Football Union member other than the United States of America".

FIFA said it had not made any changes to the make-up of the investigation and confirmed that Freeh's organisation had been hired.

Qatari Bin Hammam, who was running against Blatter for FIFA president at the time of the meeting, has also been suspended following the bribery allegations. He also has insisted he did nothing wrong.
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #433 on: June 08, 2011, 04:59:13 AM »
T&TFF blanks Fifa Ethics Committee
By: Nigel Simon (Guardian).


The T&T Football Federation has decided against attending a three-day meeting which began in  Miami, Florida USA yesterday as requested by the private investigators, hired by the FIFA Ethics Committee.

At the meeting, it is expected the Caribbean Football Union members will be questioned about claims they were given money as a bribe by FIFA executive member Mohammed bin Hammam of Qatar and FIFA vice-president, Jack Warner at a meeting in Trinidad on May 10 and 11.

As part of the probe into the alleged bribery allegations against the suspended duo of Warner, who is also the CONCACAF president and bin Hammam, private investigators hired by the ethics committee began to interview the heads of the CFU members at the centre of the scandal, yesterday.

However, it appears as many as 18 of the 25 associations refused to attend the summons, including the T&TFF. The letter of invitations came from FIFA ethics committee secretary Marc Cavaliero.

The probe is looking into claims the CFU members were each paid US$40,000 (in four packs of 100-dollar bills each totalling 10,000 dollars) to vote for Bin Hammam as FIFA president. Bin Hammam was the only opponent to president Sepp Blatter and he withdrew from the election in the wake of the allegations, leaving Blatter to be elected for a fourth term unopposed on June 1.

T&T calls FIFA probe bias
But one association has complained to FIFA that the investigation is “biased” towards the USA—one of the defeated bids for the 2022 World Cup—and has called for ex-FBI director Louis Freeh to be replaced as lead investigator.

A source close to the T&TFF confirmed the local federation was invited to the tribunal but turned down the offer. “Once the tribunal is being held on American soil the T&TFF will not be attending because it is felt it will be bias.” “Providing the tribunal can take place in another country, then the T&TFF will have no problem attending”.

But whistleblower, Chuck Blazer, the fired CONCACAF general secretary, and  USA’s FIFA member, who first brought the allegations to the attention of the world governing body, denied an American conspiracy is behind the investigation into the bribery scandal surrounding bin Hammam and Warner.

Blazer said: “To say there is an American conspiracy is nonsense. The only things that were American in this were the 100 dollar bills. “I have nothing to do with the investigation. If national associations do not respond to FIFA’s summons that’s up to FIFA to deal with it.”

CFU letter to FIFA

A letter of complaint to FIFA president Sepp Blatter by a Caribbean federation chairman added: “The investigation is tainted and biased and clearly has a US-driven agenda.

“I write to expose what can now be confirmed as attempts at intimidation and terrorisation by forces who wish to divide and destroy the 30-year history of the CFU.” The letter asks Blatter to replace Freeh with a “truly independent investigator and secure a neutral venue for the interview of any Caribbean Football Union member other than the USA.”

It also points out former USA president Bill Clinton worked on the USA 2022 bid, during the time Freeh was FBI director, and the main complainants, Blazer and Chicago-based lawyer John Collins, are American, as are the investigators with the “interrogation being conducted on American soil.”

The connection between Freeh and Clinton may be tenuous, however, as they had a well-publicised feud during almost all the time the former president was in the White House. A letter from FIFA’s ethics committee to the associations has told federation chiefs to meet investigators from June 7-9.

Cavaliero’s letter contained a warning to the CFU members should they fail to attend the meeting. It states: “Although you are under no obligation to attend such a meeting please be advised that the FIFA ethics committee may draw a negative inference in the event that you (i) do not make the arrangements sought herein, or (ii) do not attend the meeting requested.

“Furthermore, we kindly remind you that as an official you have a duty of disclosure and reporting, including providing any evidence requested for inspection.”

FIFA say they will pick up the tab for travel to and accommodation in Miami, USA and say if officials cannot make the dates requested they must offer an alternative to take place within the next 10 days.
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #434 on: June 08, 2011, 06:39:15 AM »
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #435 on: June 08, 2011, 07:45:50 AM »
Puppet master still pulling the  strings.

That letter is blotted with Warner's ink. The tone is unmistakable.

Imagine they determine that the investigation is biased without even attending.
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« Reply #436 on: June 08, 2011, 08:22:26 AM »
Its obvious to me that Blazer and the USA are hatching a plot to subvert the CFU. I fully expect that should the CFU's top football administrators attend Miami, you will see the CIA & FBI systematically remove each member. There will be the obvious poison in an umbrella routine, several accidents involving vehicle brake lines being cut and the classic poison roti plot. Its clear now that the US President is involved and wishes to remove the power from "all these darkies" in the Caribbean. I already hear that Chris Birchall is earmarked for president of TTFF.   :rotfl:

But seriously, I find this paranoia absoloutely pathetic. Their complaint is about a senior investigative expert who is former FBI. Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?

This smacks of Jack and sounds similar to all the lame excuses TTFF threw up in their court case. FIFA should order their attendance and threaten sanctions if they don't attend. CFU are making a mockery of FIFA's already tarnished profile.


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« Reply #437 on: June 08, 2011, 08:35:20 AM »
Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?

 Nice James Bond reference.  :rotfl:


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« Reply #438 on: June 08, 2011, 09:18:54 AM »
I'm just curious as to why, when the Bahamian official Sealy or whoever found out about the bribes money, why didn't he report to the Vice President of Concacaf, Lisle Austin or the man now in charge, the Honduran. Why is it that it was the saint in the form of Ole Saint Nic, Chuck Blazer?

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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #439 on: June 08, 2011, 09:23:59 AM »
I'm just curious as to why, when the Bahamian official Sealy or whoever found out about the bribes money, why didn't he report to the Vice President of Concacaf, Lisle Austin or the man now in charge, the Honduran. Why is it that it was the saint in the form of Ole Saint Nic, Chuck Blazer?

That is a very good question.  I snot like Blazer was the head of any arm conected to CONCACAF or CFU so why him?  He isn't part of the ethics committee so how he get to be the one they reported this to?  While Jack is unquestionably tainted, I feel Blazer was working behind the scenes for some time to fracture the unity within the CFU so as to have alliances that could prove useful in bringin down JW.

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« Reply #440 on: June 08, 2011, 10:08:07 AM »
Regardless of what the CFU is claiming, their argument against attending the investigation is flimsy.  Firstly, it is an independent entity that is conducting the investigation, not the USSF.  Also, does the site of the investigation really make a difference?  Will the air be that much different in Miami than Kingston, for example.  I believe money was offered, and the CFU members took it, but they are playing a game of "our words against theirs".  Would the Bermuda FA go to that length to produce fake evidence, knowing that it would forever be jeopardizing its relationships with the other CFU members?  I find it hard to believe.  Plus, in the midst of all of this, Jack has not produced one compelling piece of evidence in his defence, although he claims his counsel advised against doing such.  I don't know if anyone has realized this, but with the exception of Jamaica, there is a north versus south Caribbean divide in this fiasco.

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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #441 on: June 08, 2011, 10:39:52 AM »
I'm just curious as to why, when the Bahamian official Sealy or whoever found out about the bribes money, why didn't he report to the Vice President of Concacaf, Lisle Austin or the man now in charge, the Honduran. Why is it that it was the saint in the form of Ole Saint Nic, Chuck Blazer?

That is a very good question.  I snot like Blazer was the head of any arm conected to CONCACAF or CFU so why him?  He isn't part of the ethics committee so how he get to be the one they reported this to?  While Jack is unquestionably tainted, I feel Blazer was working behind the scenes for some time to fracture the unity within the CFU so as to have alliances that could prove useful in bringin down JW.

Trust me, Blatter don't need Jack as he won't be standing for reelection. Getting rid of Jack is the best way of "proving" Blatter is cleaning up FIFA, thus diverting attention so Tiefa can continue as normal. Blazers reward will be to become Blatters new bitch so he can stand for the Presidents role. USFF want this, as it will ensure they get a WC, possible in 2022 when Blazer & Blatter can arrange a new vote based on bin Hammam being involved in the CFU bribe scandal.

Not sure there is a CFU North vs South or pro Brit/USA alliance. I just think Jack has more weight in some countries and those that refused to be coerced by Jack now see their chance to align themselves behind Blazer and rid CFU of Jack. Better to stroke the dog that has never bitten you than feed the one that has.

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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #442 on: June 08, 2011, 10:56:56 AM »
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #443 on: June 08, 2011, 10:59:46 AM »
I see no reason why the CFU shouldn't feel that the meeting would be tilted towards the United States.
Is it any surprise that Puerto Rico and Bahamas had no problem basically breaking away from the rest and admitting money was offered. I'm not
Is Jack guilty, Yes (he admit that much already saying that is how things are done)
Is the CFU guilty of taking money, Yes.
But I wouldn't go to no meeting with FBI or CIA involved (present or former). They have a history and it's not a well balanced history.

I agree with the CFU though, It's laughable to think they should go.

At the end of all this though I expect BIG changes in CONCACAF and particularly CFU.
For a bunch of tiny islands that could all fit in most states in the US, and most of these islands never appeared at a World Cup and probably never will, countries like the US have to feel they have too much power.

The US will most likely come out stronger at the end of all this (at least that's probably Blazer's hope).





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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #444 on: June 08, 2011, 11:08:02 AM »
Its obvious to me that Blazer and the USA are hatching a plot to subvert the CFU. I fully expect that should the CFU's top football administrators attend Miami, you will see the CIA & FBI systematically remove each member. There will be the obvious poison in an umbrella routine, several accidents involving vehicle brake lines being cut and the classic poison roti plot. Its clear now that the US President is involved and wishes to remove the power from "all these darkies" in the Caribbean. I already hear that Chris Birchall is earmarked for president of TTFF.   :rotfl:

But seriously, I find this paranoia absoloutely pathetic. Their complaint is about a senior investigative expert who is former FBI. Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?

This smacks of Jack and sounds similar to all the lame excuses TTFF threw up in their court case. FIFA should order their attendance and threaten sanctions if they don't attend. CFU are making a mockery of FIFA's already tarnished profile.



What makes Louis Freeh a "senior investigative expert"... because he held a bureaucratic post as FBI Director?  By that logic we should all be watching our women and wine glasses around outgoing CIA Chief, Panetta... Leon Panetta.  Freeh was a professor when I was in law school and frankly, he really didn't distinguish himself to me.  That being said I have no idea whether he'd be biased or not.  What I can say is that people are letting their antipathy towards Jack Warner cloud their objectivity.  

Although you said it in jest, it is unmistakeable to me the hand that's moving the strings behind the scenes here is Chuck Blazer, and the CFU officials are right to protest the heavy American involvement in the proceedings.  You think is coincidence that the FIFA Ethics Committee rep at the inquiry is from Guam... a US territory?  Guam of all places!  Unless we are to buy into the notion that only an American can properly conduct the investigations then I see no reason to want an objective third party nation conducting the inquiry.  Feel free to diminish it as paranoia, but as they say, the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled...
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #445 on: June 08, 2011, 11:15:46 AM »
But seriously, I find this paranoia absoloutely pathetic. Their complaint is about a senior investigative expert who is former FBI. Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?

This smacks of Jack and sounds similar to all the lame excuses TTFF threw up in their court case. FIFA should order their attendance and threaten sanctions if they don't attend. CFU are making a mockery of FIFA's already tarnished profile.



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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #446 on: June 08, 2011, 11:22:58 AM »
FIFA is quick to suspend Associations from ALL football if there is even a hint of Government interference in the running of association affairs.

I wonder if they'll be just as expeditious in suspending "rebel" CFU member territories that refuse to attend the investigation meetings?
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #447 on: June 08, 2011, 11:51:56 AM »
Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?

 Nice James Bond reference.  :rotfl:



Maybe if its held in Jamaica instead of Miami then everyone will get a joint to smoke at the end of the investigation, who knows?!  :mackdaddy:
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #448 on: June 08, 2011, 11:58:36 AM »
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Very good quote, I like it! I think I go wear that quote as well in the future myself!  :beermug:
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Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
« Reply #449 on: June 08, 2011, 12:10:16 PM »
This is some real under hand movements by Blazer. If there is a another vote, I would like to see Netherlands-Belgium or Australia get the nod and salt everybody else (US and Hengland).
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