Is Rampaul an allrounder?

[MEP]

Just wanted to pose that question since Shammy is considered to be one. Both Ravi's batting and bowling is far superior to Shammy's.

[Arazi]

LOL! I was saying to my father is best we drop Nash and put Rampaul to bat at 6 for real eh..But as much as I'm no great fan of Sammy..he has THE BEST figures "statistically" of any West Indies bowler in recent history. And he's actually taken one wicket less than Rampaul in the recent series against pak and India with a lower average at that...

His batting on the other hand well...

[Tenorsaw]

Men reading my mind.  Been saying that if he puts a bit more effort into his batting, he could be a legitimate allrounder, which would be great for the Windies, as he is selected on the merits of his bowling. 

[Tenorsaw]

LOL! I was saying to my father is best we drop Nash and put Rampaul to bat at 6 for real eh..But as much as I'm no great fan of Sammy..he has THE BEST figures "statistically" of any West Indies bowler in recent history. And he's actually taken one wicket less than Rampaul in the recent series against pak and India with a lower average at that...

His batting on the other hand well...

But Sammy is an allrounder...that is the merit that he is selected under.  He is not carrying the bat and so that is why there is pressure on him, as he is seen to be taking the spot of a specialist batsman.  I want to see what they'll do when Bravo returns.  We don't have space for two allrounders, especially one who is perpetually failing with the bat.

[vb]

Neither are allrounders.

Bravo is the only allrounder in the team.

However, both Sammy and Rampaul are tail enders who bat well. Their batting can certainly be developed a la Malcolm Marshall.

VB

[Conquering Lion]

Neither are allrounders.

Bravo is the only allrounder in the team.

However, both Sammy and Rampaul are tail enders who bat well. Their batting can certainly be developed a la Malcolm Marshall.

VB

Rampaul has always been a decent batsman and can still develop. However, the guys at the top (1 to 5) need make big runs.

The problem with Sammy is that he is neither here nor there as a batsman or bowler. Don't get me wrong, I like his approach to the game and sometimes you need a no frills player as a leader, but being neither one or the other affects the balance of the team. With Edwards back, a balanced attack would be Edwards, Rampaul and Roach, with bishoo as the spinner. Bravo would be allrounder in the side. J Taylor on the sidelines is also a good thing but I am not sure how he is progressing injury wise.

As it is right now u have batting lineup of nash (who is out of sorts right now), sammy, bravo, rampaul and baugh.....who are all similar kinda players and it makes the tail very long. Samuels (or Gayle) could provide some orthodox spin options which u need in a test match.....but both are out of the side.

So as it is we will find it hard to bowl out sides twice, contain a batting side that is on to, bat out the 4th day of a test.

[Arazi]

Neither are allrounders.

Bravo is the only allrounder in the team.

However, both Sammy and Rampaul are tail enders who bat well. Their batting can certainly be developed a la Malcolm Marshall.

VB

Rampaul has always been a decent batsman and can still develop. However, the guys at the top (1 to 5) need make big runs.

The problem with Sammy is that he is neither here nor there as a batsman or bowler. Don't get me wrong, I like his approach to the game and sometimes you need a no frills player as a leader, but being neither one or the other affects the balance of the team. With Edwards back, a balanced attack would be Edwards, Rampaul and Roach, with bishoo as the spinner. Bravo would be allrounder in the side. J Taylor on the sidelines is also a good thing but I am not sure how he is progressing injury wise.

As it is right now u have batting lineup of nash (who is out of sorts right now), sammy, bravo, rampaul and baugh.....who are all similar kinda players and it makes the tail very long. Samuels (or Gayle) could provide some orthodox spin options which u need in a test match.....but both are out of the side.

So as it is we will find it hard to bowl out sides twice, contain a batting side that is on to, bat out the 4th day of a test.

interestingly, we've been somewhat better at bowling out sides since Sammy became skipper, again he doesn't look threatening but he gets wickets..it's been our batting that has let us down really badly right throughout the year..I don't think we've had a century in either form of the game, we've barely had 50s as well...

Nash definitely needs to get dropped, Sarwan and even Chanderpaul are very close to being sacked...If Gayle comes back I'd open him with Barath and replace Nash with one of Samuels or Simmons. Both can bowl if the worried about sacrificing Nash's part time medium pace.

[Deeks]

Our batting let us down big time. We out this side under 300 twice and when time to bat struggles on 2 occasions to make 200. Maaaaan!!!!!!! I thought the bowling was magnificent compared to a couple years ago.

[MEP]

LOL! I was saying to my father is best we drop Nash and put Rampaul to bat at 6 for real eh..But as much as I'm no great fan of Sammy..he has THE BEST figures "statistically" of any West Indies bowler in recent history. And he's actually taken one wicket less than Rampaul in the recent series against pak and India with a lower average at that...

His batting on the other hand well...

But Sammy is an allrounder...that is the merit that he is selected under.  He is not carrying the bat and so that is why there is pressure on him, as he is seen to be taking the spot of a specialist batsman.  I want to see what they'll do when Bravo returns.  We don't have space for two allrounders, especially one who is perpetually failing with the bat.

Uh hem...you cannot use merit and selected in the same sentence when referring to Shammy...he is a talent-less cricketer

[mukumsplau]

LOL! I was saying to my father is best we drop Nash and put Rampaul to bat at 6 for real eh..But as much as I'm no great fan of Sammy..he has THE BEST figures "statistically" of any West Indies bowler in recent history. And he's actually taken one wicket less than Rampaul in the recent series against pak and India with a lower average at that...

His batting on the other hand well...

But Sammy is an allrounder...that is the merit that he is selected under.  He is not carrying the bat and so that is why there is pressure on him, as he is seen to be taking the spot of a specialist batsman.  I want to see what they'll do when Bravo returns.  We don't have space for two allrounders, especially one who is perpetually failing with the bat.

Uh hem...you cannot use merit and selected in the same sentence when referring to Shammy...he is a talent-less cricketer

 

[frico]

If Ramps continues a longish run his batting will develop,he has shown on more than one occassion that he is more than useful and his batting is not streaky like your usual tailenders.When we take into consideration that generally speaking,our batting is weak then our later batsmen like Rampaul will be forced to improve their batting skills.

[dwolfman]

As a teenager Rampaul opened the batting so he has some idea as to what to do.

Sammy's batting from 14 Tests - 405 runs, 48 high score and 16.87 avg. As a bowler he has 43 wickets, 27.27 avg, 2.77 econ and best innings figures of 7/66. As a number 8 on the team that doesn't seem talent-less at all.

Rampaul's batting from 8 Tests - 230 runs, 40* high score and 23.00 avg. As a bowler 19 wickets, 40.89 and 3.09 econ with 4/48 his best in an innings.

Someone already pointed out that none of this current bunch of bowlers have better bowling stats than Sammy. Not sure what we'd call them.

[frico]

DWOLFMAN,
You are right coz I saw Ramps some years ago playing for WI under 15 WC at Lords where he opened the bowling and batting,what was surprising was the pace he had as an under 15,unbelievable.I hope he goes from strength to strength coz he is a very skillful bowler and dont depend on just pace.