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Could we beat San Marino?
« on: October 10, 2011, 03:58:11 PM »
October 10, 2011
One Win, 106 Losses, No Traffic Lights
By JERÉ LONGMAN
The New York Times

SAN MARINO — This is Europe’s smallest recognized soccer nation, population 30,000, and victories in the tiny, mountaintop republic are as rare as the coins and stamps that make it a collector’s haven.

The language, cuisine and Apennine range are shared with Italy, which entirely surrounds San Marino, but cultural similarities do not extend to soccer prowess. Italy has won four World Cups. San Marino has yet to win four games. It has won one, to be exact, in 22 years of official competition. The only thing more uncommon here are traffic lights, of which there are none.

On Tuesday, San Marino will travel to Moldova for a final, undoubtedly futile, qualifying match for the 2012 European Championship. Make that disqualifying match. In nine games so far, San Marino has conceded 49 goals and has yet to score one of its own. In fact, it has not found the net in any competition since 2008.

“Every time we score, it’s a bank holiday,” said Walter Giardi, a liaison with visiting teams for the San Marino soccer federation.

In early September, the Netherlands defeated San Marino, 11-0. The Dutch forward Robin van Persie delivered four goals, half the career total of San Marino’s leading scorer. At the time, the Netherlands was ranked No. 1 by FIFA, soccer’s world governing body, while San Marino was ranked 203rd, in a tie for last with American Samoa, Andorra and Montserrat.

In 2006, San Marino lost, 13-0, to Germany, a three-time World Cup winner. But there are always small things to be grateful for. San Marino has never lost as hopelessly as 31-0, as American Samoa did to Australia a decade ago. Still, it is never easy for a soccer minnow swimming with the whales of Europe. Of 109 matches played since 1990, San Marino has won 1, tied 2 and lost 106, scoring 17 meager goals while surrendering 468.

And yet the team of mostly amateurs carries on, determined if often overwhelmed. San Marino enters the vast majority of its matches not hoping to win but to lose by as few goals as possible. If soccer seldom provides victory, though, it has provided a sense of identity.

“We are a small nation, but football gives us an opportunity to participate in big events with big nations,” said Giampaolo Mazza, 55, coach of San Marino’s national team. “Without football, maybe everybody thinks San Marino is some island in the middle of the Mediterranean.”

Actually, it is a landlocked, rocky speck of a nation, located near Rimini, Italy. The craggy views are spectacular. San Marino’s three medieval towers rise like a sandstone wedding cake above the Adriatic coast 16 miles to the east. To the west, mountain peaks protrude like rows of shark teeth.

San Marino has one of the world’s highest standards of health care, according to the World Health Organization, and calls itself the oldest sovereign republic, founded in 301. But soccer defeats are inevitable in a microstate that has the population of Gloucester, Mass., and at 24 square miles, is about one-third the size of Washington, D.C. (Monaco and Vatican City are smaller in size but are not recognized by FIFA.)

There are only three professional players on San Marino’s national team. The others are students, clerks, fitness instructors. They play for gas money and train about three days a week, often at 9 p.m., after their day jobs. Mazza, the coach, is a physical education teacher who receives no pay for his soccer duties beyond expenses.

On Sept. 6, the day of a home match against Sweden, then ranked 18th in the world, the reserve goalkeeper Federico Valentini was working in a bank when he received a call from the soccer federation. San Marino’s starting keeper, Aldo Simoncini, who plays for Cesena in Italy’s top league, Serie A, was unavailable because of a hamstring injury.

“This is your moment,” Giorgio Leoni, the technical coordinator of San Marino’s national team, told Valentini.

With little time to get nervous, Valentini played assuredly and held Sweden to a 0-0 draw until shortly after a San Marino defender was ejected in the 53rd minute. Sweden scored a flurry of late goals to win, 5-0, against a short-handed opponent. But Valentini acquitted himself well, even parrying a shot from Sweden’s Zlatan Ibrahimovic, one of the world’s top forwards.

“He was so excited,” Andy Selva, San Marino’s captain, said of Valentini. “We told him we would call him up at the last minute every match.”

It was Selva, 35, a forward, who gave San Marino its lone moment of glory, scoring on a clever free kick to defeat similarly tiny Liechtenstein, 1-0, in an exhibition on April 28, 2004. Eight months earlier, San Marino had tied Liechtenstein, 2-2, the only time it has scored more than a single goal in a match. Now it tasted rare victory.

Selva tapped the free kick to a teammate, who nudged the ball back for Selva to curl it beautifully and elusively inside the left post from 25 yards. His eight international goals represent nearly half of San Marino’s total. No other player has scored more than one.

“My strength is that, when I play, every match is always 0-0,” Selva said.

There was another famous moment for San Marino, even if it came in defeat. On Nov. 16, 1993, in Bologna, Italy, forward Davide Gualtieri intercepted a negligent back pass against England, inventor of the sport, and punched the ball into the net 8.3 seconds after kickoff. San Marino would eventually lose, 7-1, but Gualtieri’s goal remains the fastest ever scored in a World Cup qualifying match.

It came so quickly that the British radio announcer Jonathan Pearce was famously caught in the middle of his opening beer advertisement: “Welcome to Bologna on Capital Gold for England versus San Marino with Tennent’s Pilsner, brewed with Czechoslovakian yeast for that extra Pilsner taste and England are one down.” :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

If the goal shocked England’s soccer and radio teams, it was no less stunning to Gualtieri and San Marino’s fans, who were unaccustomed to seeing their team with the ball in the opponent’s half of the field.

“We didn’t expect it,” Gualtieri said. “We have so few professionals, the disparity is so great.”

Instantly, he became a hero in Scotland, which has long been a rival to England in soccer and most everything else. When Scotland played in San Marino two years later, Scottish fans offered to buy meals for Gualtieri and gave him a jersey with his name on the back. In place of a number, the jersey said “8 seconds.”

“I still have people coming to my shop asking for my autograph,” said Gualtieri, who runs a computer business.

Sometimes, there have been more extravagant requests.

Depending on who is telling the story, the Czech tabloid newspaper Blesk offered San Marino either about $55,000, or all the beer its players could drink, for a crucial victory over Slovenia in 2009. At the time, the Czech Republic and Slovenia were dueling to qualify for the 2010 World Cup. The offer was alluring but unquenchable.
San Marino lost, 3-0.

“I knew it was beer I would never drink,” Mazza said.

There are worse things. Mazza does not make a salary, but neither does he face the enormous pressure of his European brethren. Futility has given him job security. While San Marino changes its head of state every six months, Mazza has been the national soccer coach for 14 years.

“If I lose three or four in a row, I’m still the coach,” Mazza said.  :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:“If Fabio Capello loses four in a row in England, they try to kill him.”

To raise its level of soccer, the San Marino soccer federation has built a half-dozen artificial turf fields for year-round play and a number of mini-pitches to encourage youth participation. The winner of its domestic league participates in the early rounds of the European Champions League, the world’s most prestigious club tournament. And eight youth teams with players ages 13 to 18 hone their skills in more competitive Italian leagues.

“Basically, our main goal is to demonstrate that we have dignity,” said Giorgio Crescentini, president of the San Marino soccer federation. “I think we are on track.”

One shortcut will not be taken, however tempting, he said. In a country where it is difficult to gain citizenship, and naturalization can take 30 or more years, Crescentini said that no passports will be issued to foreigners just to play soccer, as happens elsewhere.

“We haven’t thought about any Brazilians, because we know it is impossible,” Crescentini said. “We won’t deviate.”

Qualifying for the 2014 World Cup begins next year. Among the teams in San Marino’s group is England, a familiar foe. San Marino is a 5,000-to-1 shot to qualify, but that quick goal by Gualtieri in 1993 has not been forgotten.

“We don’t laugh at them quite as much as everybody else,” said Henry Milton, a teacher in London. “To us they have an international pedigree.”

 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/sports/soccer/san-marino-soccer-team-plays-on-despite-little-shot-at-winning-or-scoring.html?ref=sports
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Re: Could we beat San Marino?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2011, 04:01:10 PM »
Around this time of the football calendar, the word 'minnow' always crops up ... particularly when we've suffered a loss as we did on Friday to Bermuda. In the eyes of many supporters of T&T football - often largely based on geographical size  ::) rather than firm historical evidence - we are NOT minnows.

For some other posters, the view is one that we're not a CONCACAF powerhouse ... but that we have managed to punch above our weight at times against a background of otherwise inconsistent performances.  Put differently, for those posters, we are consistent underachievers who should be whipping any island in the Caribbean with consummate ease ... well, some qualify that by saying not so easily Jamaica.

The 2009 3-0 defeat to the US in Nashville remains a bitter and low watermark for T&T supporters. Mexican and Central American opponents continue to mystify us. The draw versus Sweden is something from a bygone era. What is our reality today?

Muhammad Ali v. Superman: Who Wins? :devil:  :)

Could we beat San Marino? In some ways this question raises a somewhat valid litmus test regarding the alternating  delusions of grandeur and prophecies of doom that always traffic on the forum during WC qualifying. In all seriousness, could even a forum XI dispatch San Marino?

Thoughts? We have a Pro League ... they have three pros. We have expensive coaches with no job security. They have an unpaid coach with job security. They show pride in losing. At times it's unclear whether we always play with pride.

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Re: Could we beat San Marino?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2011, 04:22:09 PM »
I'll never forget when Ireland went in to San Marino and needed a last minute equaliser to win 2-1...and I thought losing 5-2 to Cyprus earlier in that campaign was bad.

I'd love to see Montserrat vs San Marino like they did Montserrat vs Bhutan in 2002

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Re: Could we beat San Marino?
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2011, 08:58:16 AM »
Asylumseeker - boss post.

One thing I always find amusing is this whole talk about how our football in dire straits because we struggling with caribbean opposition.
People need to look at history before commenting - in 1989 with our full Strike Squad taking over from the "B" team at the Shell Cup Finals, we lost to Guadeloupe and edged Grenada 2-1 to win the inaugural title.

World Cup Qualifying has traditionally been very competitive once you get into the group stage.
Just ask Jamaica who got knocked out in a group with Bermuda and Puerto Rico in the 94 qualifiers (after they beat T&T in the prelim playoff).

People seem to think we have an automatic right to dispatch other Caribbean nations in qualifiers and Copa Caribes, but history tells us otherwise. Right now Guyana seem like the team in form in our group, in 1988 when the Strike Squad started their journey, you know who they had to beat? We scraped a 1-0 win in Georgetown...

Point is, to routinely dispatch these caribbean teams, you must be at a consistent world class level. There are only 2 teams in our region who fit this bill. Costa Rica tries but still not there yet, they even lost a WCQ in Bridgetown a few years ago!
On any given day, a decent caribbean team will beat any CONCACAF opposition at home (well maybe make it a difficult match for USA and Mexico). Football is about matchups. Not because T&T draw with Sweden and Sweden beat San Marino 5-0 mean that T&T will beat San Marino 5-0.
T&T always seem to matchup good vs Mexico in POS and we seem to have Panama's number (Panama somehow manages to trouble the best of concacaf consistently). We matchup very poorly vs the US, Costa Rica and Jamaica (who is like Trinidad on steroids for physicality).

I will take narrow wins on the road (with the occasional draw) and solid wins at home any-day in Caribbean level WCQ.
T&T has been to every Hexagonal round since 2001 - the only team outside the top 3 to do so.
Have faith, we will win this group.

El Salvador, Costa Rica and Mexico waiting  ;D



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Re: Could we beat San Marino?
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2011, 09:09:33 AM »
I say, Lets invite them for an International Friendly and find out.   :)  :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated:
Never, never, ever give up! Go T&T Warriors!

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Re: Could we beat San Marino?
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2011, 09:28:57 AM »
The score in their last game was Moldova 4 San Marino 0. If you saw Moldova play the Dutch  you would  have seen a team that was impotent in leaving its half of the field.

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Re: Could we beat San Marino?
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2011, 07:33:08 PM »
Hopefully we never have to play San Marino! Dat go be too much stress!


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Re: Could we beat San Marino?
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2011, 01:08:03 AM »
Asylumseeker - boss post.

One thing I always find amusing is this whole talk about how our football in dire straits because we struggling with caribbean opposition.
People need to look at history before commenting - in 1989 with our full Strike Squad taking over from the "B" team at the Shell Cup Finals, we lost to Guadeloupe and edged Grenada 2-1 to win the inaugural title.

World Cup Qualifying has traditionally been very competitive once you get into the group stage.
Just ask Jamaica who got knocked out in a group with Bermuda and Puerto Rico in the 94 qualifiers (after they beat T&T in the prelim playoff).

People seem to think we have an automatic right to dispatch other Caribbean nations in qualifiers and Copa Caribes, but history tells us otherwise. Right now Guyana seem like the team in form in our group, in 1988 when the Strike Squad started their journey, you know who they had to beat? We scraped a 1-0 win in Georgetown...

Point is, to routinely dispatch these caribbean teams, you must be at a consistent world class level. There are only 2 teams in our region who fit this bill. Costa Rica tries but still not there yet, they even lost a WCQ in Bridgetown a few years ago!
On any given day, a decent caribbean team will beat any CONCACAF opposition at home (well maybe make it a difficult match for USA and Mexico). Football is about matchups. Not because T&T draw with Sweden and Sweden beat San Marino 5-0 mean that T&T will beat San Marino 5-0.
T&T always seem to matchup good vs Mexico in POS and we seem to have Panama's number (Panama somehow manages to trouble the best of concacaf consistently). We matchup very poorly vs the US, Costa Rica and Jamaica (who is like Trinidad on steroids for physicality).

I will take narrow wins on the road (with the occasional draw) and solid wins at home any-day in Caribbean level WCQ.
T&T has been to every Hexagonal round since 2001 - the only team outside the top 3 to do so.
Have faith, we will win this group.

El Salvador, Costa Rica and Mexico waiting  ;D




We coming second in that group.  We beating CR and El Sal....Mex dropping points against CR and they'll have to stretch to get it done against us.  That's the script I'm seeing.  T&T will show up.
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