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Skeene dwells on positives over Jabloteh pullout
« on: July 03, 2012, 06:04:59 PM »
Skeene dwells on positives over Jabloteh pullout
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It is part of the evolution, and no need to panic is clearly the message of TT Pro League CEO Dexter Skeene on the heels of a pullout by one of the league’s powerhouses, San Juan Jabloteh.

Jabloteh, four-time Pro League winners, publicly announced its pullout of the League on Monday—seven weeks before the start of the 2012-2013 season—via a press release.

The club stated that because of financial constraints it has suspended the operations of its senior football “in efforts to restructure operations to bring revenue streams into approximate balance with the expenditure profile.”

Its youth clinics as well as women’s football team have been suspended earlier according to the release. While the youth football teams and women’s volleyball teams will continue.

“It’s disappointing to learn of the decision of one of your long serving clubs,” said Skeene on Tuesday. “But when you look at the whole picture, the prevailing economic climate and world football, you understand that this is normal in professional football.”

He further explained, “In Europe you have longstanding clubs, clubs with rich history like Rangers in Scotland having financial problems. In the (English) Premiership it’s no different with clubs having financial difficulties.

“The Pro League is no different. It’s a relatively young league and the economic climate is challenging here as well. So what has happened to Jabloteh, is that they are now looking at restructuring their business operations.

“It has happened with North East Stars and they have come back now even stronger.

“Ideally it’s something you would not like to occur, but we are seeing the positive side of it.”

Skeene advised, “This is the stage of the product life cycle now where clubs have to reengineer their processes and philosophy on and off the field towards focusing on the business side of football.

“Clubs have to come away from the thinking of just playing football and professional football being just on the field. It is surely enough what you do off the field will redound to your benefit on the field.

“It is something that we are looking at, and we would continue to have dialogue with Jabloteh to offer suggestions and solutions.”

Last season Jabloteh finished fifth on the League standings, one of the lowest ranking by the former Caribbean Football Union (CFU) Club Champion, with a new head coach Earl Carter faced with challenging circumstances.

Carter’s roster was probably the thinnest behind St. Ann’s Rangers and according to the former US based coach lacked both financial and personnel resources.

“We have to look from within,” continued Skeene. “We have to position ourselves to take advantage of opportunities which may present themselves. The management of the League is looking at ensuring that the League becomes self sustainable and viable in the long term. So we cannot continue to depend on handouts. We must be considered just as any other entertainment business.

“We must bring our product to the fans; we must make it marketable; we must make it something that people want to have in their living rooms; and a product that people want to invest in. So we just have to continue our own self examination and look again at the way we do things and reengineer the process again.

“But it’s starting to improve because if we look at a key performance indicator, for instance in terms of our success at the club level, we are seeing now that two top teams (W Connection and Caledonia AIA) qualifying for the CFU Club Championship and we are going on now in the CONCACAF (Champions’ League) where we would be playing against MLS teams and the teams in the Mexican league, so the clubs are doing something that is positive.”

Skeene went on to reveal a few clubs that have reengineered their management structures and are enjoying growth.

“Caledonia in the past few years has reexamined their management structure. They have expanded their management base. They have brought on board people who have the skills and the management expertise to help their club develop. (They) have people from Neal and Massy coming to assist them, and people like Mr. Louis Lee Sing and Brian Lewis in their management system and you have seen the difference now with their performance on the field.

“W Connection as well! (Owner/President) David John-Williams is a guru in terms of football as well off the field and you are now seeing an increase in the number of players that are attracting interest from W Connection abroad. So the clubs that have the proper management structure in place, you are seeing the growth. You are seeing the benefits on the field as well as off the field.

“Look at North East Stars. Darryl Mahabir has included DIRECTV with Bernard Pantin and the likes, so you have now a greater pool of management expertise to draw from and they are growing and improving their whole structure and management and are now looking to set up a structure within the community.

“So it has its positives (on the issue of Jabloteh).  We need to look at what is really happening behind the scenes. The restructuring …bringing on board new people with different ways of doing things and coming back stronger.”

With regards to the pool of teams for the upcoming season, Skeene revealed that the League presently has local and foreign interests, but would make careful consideration in the best interest of the TT Pro League.
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2012, 07:45:13 PM »
With regards to the pool of teams for the upcoming season, Skeene revealed that the League presently has local and foreign interests, but would make careful consideration in the best interest of the TT Pro League.

We forever hearing this about "local and foreign interest". What the arse they waiting on!

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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2012, 07:51:32 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2012, 09:00:40 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2012, 09:03:42 PM »
so how much teams in de pro league now? league suppose to start next month and no fixtures. What a progressive league !!!

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2012, 09:27:35 PM »
so how much teams in de pro league now? league suppose to start next month and no fixtures. What a progressive league !!!

Caledonia, W.Connection, St Anns Rangers, North East Stars, Police, Defence Force.

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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2012, 10:10:20 PM »
MLS had 2 teams in Florida....Tampa and Miami. Then they had None. It happens

But the PFL needs to look at the league as a business. If they get some proper academies they could get a few players being transferred to foreign teams to offset their budget.

More money needs to be pumped into the league.

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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2012, 10:13:47 PM »
so how much teams in de pro league now? league suppose to start next month and no fixtures. What a progressive league !!!

Caledonia, W.Connection, St Anns Rangers, North East Stars, Police, Defence Force.

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2012, 10:24:44 PM »
Forgive my ignorance but why not incorporate the better teams that are in the super league into the pro league? Wouldn't the standard of play increase if more games are being played and there is more competition? The majority of them don't own their home grounds so games could just be double headers at the various stadiums and with 4 teams competing at each stadium hopefully the crowds will come out as well. How in hell can a pro league ever be competitive with 6 teams?

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 10:38:50 PM »
Forgive my ignorance but why not incorporate the better teams that are in the super league into the pro league? Wouldn't the standard of play increase if more games are being played and there is more competition? The majority of them don't own their home grounds so games could just be double headers at the various stadiums and with 4 teams competing at each stadium hopefully the crowds will come out as well. How in hell can a pro league ever be competitive with 6 teams?

The PFL would welcome any team but they have criteria that many teams can't match though. They have to show that they are financially stable and have enough money to pay players, etc. Plus to join the league is something like $100,000.  Most ah the teams just can't keep up with the requirements.

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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2012, 10:40:17 PM »
Forgive my ignorance but why not incorporate the better teams that are in the super league into the pro league? Wouldn't the standard of play increase if more games are being played and there is more competition? The majority of them don't own their home grounds so games could just be double headers at the various stadiums and with 4 teams competing at each stadium hopefully the crowds will come out as well. How in hell can a pro league ever be competitive with 6 teams?

Super League teams can't afford the $400k to join Pro League. Plus, Super League are semi pro. Its a lot cheaper to run a Super League team.

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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2012, 12:05:03 AM »
ah feel dis is de last season for the pro league....  until
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2012, 05:54:42 AM »
What a stupid response by Skeene. He has been here for over a decade and the league has decline.

That local and foreign interests Skeene talking about is smoke up we ass he blowing. The government and we own local people dont care yuh feel foreign go care.

De league and teams broke and he getting interest from local and foreign and yet he thinking in the best interest of T&T (please),,,, maybe he thinking in the best interest of his personal pocket.

This guy have no idea what to do.

Ent QPCC wanted to come in, teams who what to come in he blocking while other team dropping out, just now we will see two teams in de league.

He even blocking players (Roopie) who wants to play in de league.



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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2012, 01:46:32 PM »
I thought the best Super League teams were supposed to get promoted to the PFL.

So what happened they did well and just stayed in the semi pro league???

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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2012, 02:14:08 PM »
I thought the best Super League teams were supposed to get promoted to the PFL.

So what happened they did well and just stayed in the semi pro league???

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They need to satisfy the criteria for entrance, primarily the $400k fees and confirmation that they have player salaries for a season.

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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2012, 02:16:57 PM »
I thought the best Super League teams were supposed to get promoted to the PFL.

So what happened they did well and just stayed in the semi pro league???

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They need to satisfy the criteria for entrance, primarily the $400k fees and confirmation that they have player salaries for a season.

Thanks,

sadly this is an area in which I expected WASA and Petrotrin to do well. Petro should've become a super club in our country. WASA was making noise and just overs.

If clubs cah make it in the present economic climate - when will they ever?

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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2012, 02:27:50 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2012, 02:31:09 PM »
Just posted this in another thread, but its valid here, also.


To a degree, its down to the age old measurement of popularity. If the stadiums were attracting 4-5,000 per game, more advertisers would pump money into professional football and press and media coverage would increase.

At the moment, with attendances sometimes as low as 200, local football is a niche sport. Its a chicken and egg scenario. The clubs want to attract supporters, but lack the funds to promote, yet without supporters, sponsors spend their money elsewhere.

We can complain about the clubs, the Pro League, the standard of football etc, but the reality is, we don't go to watch matches. The community argument is valid, but, again, the reality is that across the world people travel 20,30,40,50 miles or more to watch their team, in terrible weather conditions and at a high cost.

Try going to a professional football match for less than the price of two bottles of beer anywhere and you'll struggle. And travel from, say, Arima to Larry Gomes is only $3. So its not cost that's the problem.

And the performances of Caledonia and W.Connection in the CFU prove that the standard isn't bad.

I think the reality is that Trinis just aren't interested in local professional football. What I can't figure out is why that is. After all, back in the day thousands would watch football matches and there's still good attendance at school games.

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« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2012, 01:16:52 PM »
Just posted this in another thread, but its valid here, also.


To a degree, its down to the age old measurement of popularity. If the stadiums were attracting 4-5,000 per game, more advertisers would pump money into professional football and press and media coverage would increase.

At the moment, with attendances sometimes as low as 200, local football is a niche sport. Its a chicken and egg scenario. The clubs want to attract supporters, but lack the funds to promote, yet without supporters, sponsors spend their money elsewhere.

We can complain about the clubs, the Pro League, the standard of football etc, but the reality is, we don't go to watch matches. The community argument is valid, but, again, the reality is that across the world people travel 20,30,40,50 miles or more to watch their team, in terrible weather conditions and at a high cost.

Try going to a professional football match for less than the price of two bottles of beer anywhere and you'll struggle. And travel from, say, Arima to Larry Gomes is only $3. So its not cost that's the problem.

And the performances of Caledonia and W.Connection in the CFU prove that the standard isn't bad.

I think the reality is that Trinis just aren't interested in local professional football. What I can't figure out is why that is. After all, back in the day thousands would watch football matches and there's still good attendance at school games.


I posted this a couple hours ago and the thing just disappear. Posting again.

You may not have realized it but you  basically answered your question with your last statement.

In the old days most of the players came from the community or close by and were known: Players from Malvern, Maple, Casuals, Pt. Fortin CC, etc. It was the best of the best vs. other communities, people had a natural interest even if they weren't hard core fans.

The PFL was started but those community teams didn't get the sponsorship to come on board (Maple, Malvern and Casuals basically disappeared years ago) - thus, teams like Memphis, St. Francois Nationals, Tacarigua etc. faded away from the big time and were replaced by the like of Doc Khewalas, South End, NE Stars, W Conn, teams that had now had to BUILD a legacy. PFCC was one of the few old firm to join the league but could't survive.
Teams now in teh PFL can't rely just on community players they need a wider scope. The old teams would've maintained their crowd based on tradition. These teams aren't in the PFL.
Look closely at Santa Rosa FC. They are a new club but are slowly building their community base and rep.

SSFL is all about tradition, some that go back a hundred years - enough said.

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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2012, 01:57:14 PM »
Trins focus on foreign football, we are now a tv culture.

the love for football is still there but it is being satisfied via tv.

men leaving work early to watch champions league normal normal but they would not sho up to see a pfl game under any circumstances.

Standard of play is one factor
but the biggest factor is vibes.

back in the day there was no football on tv to watch at.

The lime was at the football field

Now the lime is a "pub" watching a flatscreen.


The live football have to get back to being a "Lime / Party"

you have to link it to the party.

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« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2012, 03:32:35 PM »
Trins focus on foreign football, we are now a tv culture.

the love for football is still there but it is being satisfied via tv.

men leaving work early to watch champions league normal normal but they would not sho up to see a pfl game under any circumstances.

Standard of play is one factor
but the biggest factor is vibes.

back in the day there was no football on tv to watch at.

The lime was at the football field

Now the lime is a "pub" watching a flatscreen.


The live football have to get back to being a "Lime / Party"

you have to link it to the party.

So yuh mean back in the day, ppl never use to see Pele and them run out 2-3 times ah week. I thought men use to leave big name ballers on tv to go in the savannah and watch ball. I swear men watching La Liga and EPL since the 70s.  ::)
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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2012, 03:58:38 PM »
So yuh mean back in the day, ppl never use to see Pele and them run out 2-3 times ah week. I thought men use to leave big name ballers on tv to go in the savannah and watch ball. I swear men watching La Liga and EPL since the 70s. 
The first time TT had an official live feed for an overseas sport event was the 1972 Olimpics in Munich. Then we had the 1974 WC in Germany. We did not even get the 1973 WC games in Haiti. It was reruns a week after. I think we may have gotten radio feed. We used to get plenty star-soccer from from England from around 69. But a week after. And in the 70s a lot of German football. No continental ball except the Euro. Cup. Nothing from South America on TV. As communication became cheaper that is when we started seeing La liga and Calcio, Dutch. Plus the new networks challenged the old networks by outbidding them for the rights. In the 60s and early 70s we would see clips of Santos and Madrid on the newsreel when you go to cinema or TTT might get a vaps an so a game once in a while.

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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2012, 04:04:09 PM »
That is why men like Diego and Messi will always get more ratings than Pele and the older stars. We have much more clips of their exploits than the older folks

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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2012, 04:27:19 PM »
So yuh mean back in the day, ppl never use to see Pele and them run out 2-3 times ah week. I thought men use to leave big name ballers on tv to go in the savannah and watch ball. I swear men watching La Liga and EPL since the 70s. 
The first time TT had an official live feed for an overseas sport event was the 1972 Olimpics in Munich. Then we had the 1974 WC in Germany. We did not even get the 1973 WC games in Haiti. It was reruns a week after. I think we may have gotten radio feed. We used to get plenty star-soccer from from England from around 69. But a week after. And in the 70s a lot of German football. No continental ball except the Euro. Cup. Nothing from South America on TV. As communication became cheaper that is when we started seeing La liga and Calcio, Dutch. Plus the new networks challenged the old networks by outbidding them for the rights. In the 60s and early 70s we would see clips of Santos and Madrid on the newsreel when you go to cinema or TTT might get a vaps an so a game once in a while.

Certainly in UK, until around 1980, the only live football we got was the FA Cup final and World Cups. We had highlights on saturday eve and sunday afternoon. This was a problem as you would be in the pub saturday night and playing a game sunday afternoon! No VCRs at that time! Also used to get some UEFA games with UK clubs on Wednesday evenings. I think it was the satelite ratings battle between BSB and Sky that changed things. I remember that live games became available on satelite and that injected capital into football. We had no real knowledge of football outside of UK at that point. Just knew a few team names and stars from the World Cup Finals.

But the argument that football on TV is turning people away from local games isn't true anywhere else. Man U and Chelsea supporters who don't have tickets will still be at League 1 and 2 matches in England. And the ProLeague did introduce the Friday cooler promotions last season in an attempt to get the party into football.

 

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