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Re: Brazil bags a bargain
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2012, 08:06:56 AM »
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By Anna Ramdass
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Story Created: Nov 18, 2012 at 10:50 PM ECT

Story Updated: Nov 19, 2012 at 7:18 AM ECT

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday expressed pride in Attorney General Anand Ramlogan for his role in the success of the settlement of the of the Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) arbitration process with shipbuilder British Aerospace Engineering (BAE) which resulted in the payment of $1.382 billion to the State.

"I am proud and satisfied that this matter has been amicably resolved and wish to pay tribute to the Attorney General, Anand Ramlogan, for his dedication and commitment to this matter."

The Prime Minister joined in the chorus of praises for Ramlogan as on Saturday National Security Minister Jack Warner also issued a release stating that Ramlogan's success in the settlement was a form of vindication as many have called for his (Ramlogan's) removal.

Yesterday, the Prime Minister not only sent the message that her confidence in Ramlogan remained strong but also said that the OPV settlement was one where the nation can "feel duly proud".

"Today, I feel vindicated by the decision I took, as we have been able to repel a $700 million claim against our country and emerge victorious with a settlement of $1.4 billion," said Persad-Bissessar.

She said that while many appear to be "shell shocked" by the positive result— her Government was not.

"There is no 'secret deal', or hidden, undisclosed, future cost or supplemental agreement; the $1.4 billion represents full and final settlement without the government having to pay any money to BAE," she added.

The Prime Minister said that the settlement will allow the Government to repay the OPV loan and also provide a surplus $340 million which can be utilised for the benefit and upliftment of our people.

"This isn't a political victory; it is an undeniably positive result for every citizen," said Persad-Bissessar as she expressed thanks to members of the Defence Force and her Cabinet

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Re: Brazil bags a bargain
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2012, 01:23:44 PM »

Opposition MP Colm Imbert says T&T lost $700 million by cancelling the $1.3 billion contract for the delivery of three offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) from BAE Systems. Imbert spoke at a news conference at the Office of the Leader of the Opposition, Charles Street, Port-of-Spain yesterday.
 
 
 
He is also insisting that since there was simply a negotiated settlement between the two parties, neither side won or lost. “The parties left the arbitration process and came to an agreement behind closed doors,” Imbert said. “There is simply no finding of any arbitrator that T&T was right or wrong or that BAE was right or wrong. There was no decision of the arbitration tribunal; there was no finding of fact; there was no finding of liability.”
 
 
 
He said the non-recoverable costs for the OPV contract amounted to $365 million:
 
• Training—$60 million
 
• Maintenance—$60 million
 
• UK Govt support—$36 million
 
• Consultant/legal fees—$21 million
 
• Currency exchange and export credit premium—$59 million
 
• Upgrade of infrastructure at Staubles Bay—$112 million
 
• Arms, accommodation, travel, subsistence costs etc—$17 million
 
 
 
Imbert said the total expenditure on the cancelled OPV contract to date was at least $2.05 billion. He said the amount to be recovered from BAE was TT$1.35 billion. Imbert also had in his possession a Cabinet note dated August 6, 2010 which showed then national security minister John Sandy recommending that the PP Government accept the first OPV. The T&T Guardian understands that the note was not approved by the Cabinet.
 
 
 
Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley also spoke at the news conference. Rowley said the people of T&T should be very wary of moves by the Government to have Colombia supply long-range vessels to fight crime, as Colombia was not the solution to the problem but the source.
 


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Re: Brazil bags a bargain
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2012, 01:28:34 PM »
I disagree with Rowley's reasoning for opposing the Colombia deal.

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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2012, 01:40:38 PM »
Our billion-dollar OPV hole
By Clarence Rambharat

Story Created: Nov 19, 2012 at 9:58 PM ECT
Story Updated: Nov 20, 2012 at 8:49 AM ECT
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There is little reason for celebration if the country did nothing wrong on the Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) deal but suffers a billion-dollar loss. It is why the country is divided on the settlement, and it will not end here. This will be a headline act leading to the Tobago House of Assembly (THA) election and, after that, fundamental questions will remain unanswered.

Three questions arise. First, exactly how much did the country lose on this OPV project? Second, going back to the original issue, what is the plan for dealing with the maritime risks, and what new spending is required? And third, was corruption an issue in this OPV procurement, and how quickly will the Government implement the lessons learnt from this aborted purchase?

At the heart of the country's dilemma is the usual absence of details and the People's Partnership Government's credibility challenge. Those politically opposed to the Partnership will obviously see no merit in this settlement, but this Government never helps its own cause. If this climb halfway up a $2.5 billion hole is good news, it demonstrates how bad things have been for the Government.

On that first question of the amount lost, get this fact out of the way. This settlement is not a windfall of any kind for the country. The work of those who identified the contractual failures of BAE Systems (BAE) since 2009, and the Cabinet which terminated the deal in late 2010, was about loss reduction. The country's outlay on the vessels, training, infrastructure, legal expenses, financing and other costs related to this procurement must run close to TT$2.5 billion. If TT$1.32 billion is recovered from BAE, then we are still in a TT$1 billion hole. A billion-dollar loss is no cause for celebration.

In the aborted contract, the country is the big loser. While BAE's annual reports consistently recognise the risks of doing business with governments, the company's big deals with sovereigns sustain its global business model. The local deal was very small in the context of BAE's annual earnings, though it required specific disclosures in the financials when it fell apart. It is therefore unlikely that BAE sustained a loss on the aborted deal, but if it did, it was small.

More important for BAE, even though the company had breached its contractual commitments to this country, the settlement provided it with a decent exit and left us with its losses. From a financial perspective, BAE had already sold the vessels to Brazil, landed orders from Brazil for additional vessels, and achieved its objective of doing more business in the lucrative Latin American market.

Further, this TT$1.32 billion payment to the country does not come out of BAE's pockets. In the company's 2010 and 2011 financials, BAE held 125 million pounds sterling as deferred income on behalf of this country, the company's recognition that it had not yet earned this income. The settlement is a refund of money which was this country's anyway, and leaves us in search of OPVs with TT$1 billion less.

That brings us to the national security issues which remain unanswered. It is not clear whether the Cabinet terminated the OPV contract solely on account of BAE's contractual failures, or on account of the fact that the OPVs did not fit into a crime-fighting strategy of the Government, and BAE's breaches created an exit opportunity for the country. We cannot answer those questions because there is still no coherent plan to fight crime; no details of the "Maritime Wall" the Government proposes and its justification; no expected cost and no timeframe for delivery.

We do know that the Government is considering Colombian vessels. The OPVs will likely come out of the Colombian government-run COTECMAR, which builds the vessels using a design developed by the German shipbuilder Fassmer, not BAE. When the Colombians took delivery in 2010 of the first OPV from that facility, the vessel had taken 18 months to build. This is a smaller OPV compared to BAE's and unlike BAE's it does not have the armament facilities. It means that at best, even though it may do so at a cheaper cost than BAE, new Colombian-built OPVs may not be deliverable until 2015.

This brings us to the next question. In an industry rife with allegations and admissions of corruption involving suppliers, government officials and intermediaries, the Government has not said whether corruption was an issue in the original deal. BAE has recently settled corruption allegations, including US$479 million in fines in the US. Next month, the BAE lobbyist who figured in the US issues, goes on trial in Austria on charges of involvement in corrupt arms deals. It will focus attention on the global trade in legal and illegal arms and the corruption of government procurement, especially in these deals with billion dollar spending.

And speaking of big spends, the final question relates to the lessons the Government has learnt in handling billion-dollar public sector procurement projects. The OPV deal is at times similar to the Point Fortin Highway project, with a lack of information, transparency, and citizen engagement. But the highway project exceeds the value of six OPV settlements. What lessons from the loss-cutting OPV settlement will the Government implement to avoid a repeat, starting with the Point Fortin Highway project? When the Government talks about the poor accounting issues with the OPV project, what exactly happened and who is being held responsible? More importantly, what in the highway project and Government procurement generally will be changed on account of whatever discovery the AG and his legal team made, leading them to believe that some parts of the country's counterclaim against BAE had to be abandoned?

The country is already divided on this OPV settlement, and losing a lot of money is really no cause for celebration when we did no wrong.

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Re: Brazil bags a bargain
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2012, 02:06:38 PM »
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This is a smaller OPV compared to BAE's and unlike BAE's it does not have the armament facilities. It means that at best, even though it may do so at a cheaper cost than BAE, new Colombian-built OPVs may not be deliverable until 2015.
Isn't this similar to the reason for cancelling the BAE deal in the first place.

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« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2012, 02:42:04 PM »
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This is a smaller OPV compared to BAE's and unlike BAE's it does not have the armament facilities. It means that at best, even though it may do so at a cheaper cost than BAE, new Colombian-built OPVs may not be deliverable until 2015.
Isn't this similar to the reason for cancelling the BAE deal in the first place.

you are missing the point sir,, they go cancel the colombian deal...go to arbitration and declare that we make MORE money in the settlement

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« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2012, 02:46:05 PM »
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This is a smaller OPV compared to BAE's and unlike BAE's it does not have the armament facilities. It means that at best, even though it may do so at a cheaper cost than BAE, new Colombian-built OPVs may not be deliverable until 2015.
Isn't this similar to the reason for cancelling the BAE deal in the first place.

I guess the rationale is.....yuh not going to have the right gun anyhow..might as well pay less for it.
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« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2012, 03:47:55 PM »
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This is a smaller OPV compared to BAE's and unlike BAE's it does not have the armament facilities. It means that at best, even though it may do so at a cheaper cost than BAE, new Colombian-built OPVs may not be deliverable until 2015.
Isn't this similar to the reason for cancelling the BAE deal in the first place.

I guess the rationale is.....yuh not going to have the right gun anyhow..might as well pay less for it.
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« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2012, 03:55:48 PM »
The drug subs is the real problem. Anything entering our waters easy.
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« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2012, 06:27:31 PM »
Did the Brazilians bought the 3 OPVs with the "defects". Did they pay less because of the "defects"?

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Re: Brazil bags a bargain
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2012, 02:28:12 AM »
Is either you need the guns or you don't .

Yuh clearly don't need guns on the water when all Trinidad problems is on land.

 

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