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« on: April 01, 2005, 08:34:05 AM »
Player protest halts Ron Atkinson's appointment
By Lasana Liburd (Trinidad Express)


Ghanian-born ex-France international football captain, Marcel Desailly, has won the World Cup (1998), two Confederation Cups (2001, 2003), the European Championship (2000), two European Champions League titles (1993, 1994), two European Super Cups (1994, 1998), two Italian Serie A titles (1994, 1996) and one FA Cup (2000) over a glittering career at Marseille, AC Milan and Chelsea.

He is also "a f**king, lazy, thick nigger" according to "Big" Ron Atkinson, a former Manchester United and Aston Villa manager, disgraced English television commentator and, very nearly, the new Trinidad and Tobago national coach.

Atkinson was set to replace Bertille St Clair as T&T coach yesterday only for the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) to make a hasty about-turn after the national players allegedly threatened to revolt.

The England-based duo of team leader Dwight Yorke and ex-captain Shaka Hislop were alleged to be particularly defiant and mortified.

Yorke played for Atkinson in the early 1990s at Villa where the manager once ordered his teammate, Ugo Ehiogu, to punch and kick him during a session to toughen him up. Yorke, who was racially abused by two supporters at a Premiership match at Blackburn last year, allegedly refused to play under Atkinson.

Hislop, who is a co-founder and Hall of Fame member of the British anti-racism organisation, Show Racism The Red Card (SRTRC), also objected strenuously, according to a source who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Jack Warner, the T&TFF special advisor and FIFA vice-president, presided over the meeting and accepted the judgment of the players, although the T&TFF initially promised to unveil Atkinson as coach at 2 p.m. yesterday.

The T&TFF has often been accused of incompetence, dishonesty and dictatorial tendencies. Some might argue that gross insensitivity and stupidity be added to the list.

Last April, Atkinson resigned his £200,000-a-year job as commentator for top English television station, ITV, after calling Desailly "a f**king lazy thick nigger" following a Champions League match involving Chelsea and Monaco. ITV had stopped broadcasting to Britain and Atkinson was unaware that the microphone was still on. His racist jibe was aired live in the Middle East.

It was not the first time that Atkinson was guilty of racial insensitivity-at best-nor was it the last.

At the 1990 World Cup in Italy, Atkinson suggested that a Cameroon player had no brain but was quickly made to retract his statement on air. He had the final word during the halftime interval when he joked to his co-commentator that "I'll only get into trouble if his mother's back home watching the game sitting up a tree". His comments were again relayed in some countries because of a live microphone.

Remarkably, Atkinson put himself in more hot water, two months ago, with some disparaging remarks about Chinese women in a fund-raiser at Sheffield Wednesday. This time, he told an audience of more than 250 people that "the Chinese people have the best contraception in the world-but I can't understand why there's so many of them because their women are so ugly".

Chinese national striker Hao Haidong retorted that Atkinson "should be beaten black and blue and made to thoroughly shut up", while Manchester City defender Sun Jihai accused him of ignorance and racism.

Atkinson, as in each incident, thought too much was made of nothing.

"I cannot believe anyone has complained about anything I said," he told the Sheffield Star. "I went there to help them out and to raise money. I stayed for ages and did photographs. I can't believe this...I just can't believe this.

"I can't say anything now. I've been ultra-careful about everything."

Warner was allegedly ready to give Atkinson a chance of redemption-or a public relations ploy-by allowing him to take charge of the Trinidad and Tobago squad.

Atkinson is rumoured to have topped a shortlist that included former Holland, Ajax and Real Madrid coach Leo Beenhakker and Newcastle, England and Manchester City manager Kevin Keegan.

Warner could not be reached to confirm his selection of Atkinson, or to explain the reason for his choice.

Still, Atkinson is not without his own supporters.

He is considered to be a hero to the black community, in some circles, for his work at West Brom who he coached from 1978 to 1981 and famously selected three black players-Brendon Batson, Cyrille Regis and Laurie Cunningham-when most clubs did not field even one.

Carlton Palmer, one of a handful of black players to win England caps in the 1980s or early 1990s, said he considered Atkinson to be a friend and insisted he was not racist, while Jamaican-born former Liverpool star John Barnes said he preferred to judge Atkinson by his "actions".

The Trinidad and Tobago football team disagreed.

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Re: Player protest halts Ron Atkinson's appointment
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2005, 08:38:36 AM »
Good Move

Let him go and coach a white nation,
Black people around the world need to boycott his ass from now till forever.

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Re: Player protest halts Ron Atkinson's appointment
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2005, 08:46:01 AM »
I am totally amazed that Warner and Co. would choose Ron over the other 2.  Haven't they heard these widely publicized stories before?  They really must be clueless yes.

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Re: Player protest halts Ron Atkinson's appointment
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2005, 09:18:29 AM »
Let's not be too surprised by any moves or decisions from Mr, Warner. Just recall one of the early lyrics from the past:


"Is money they love, money they crave, money go lead dem tuh the grave but not me ,
They eh getting my dollars"

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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2005, 12:21:53 PM »
ttff dodged a bullet for sure. why would they consider him over the other two?i dont know.thank god its leo we've got
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Re: Player protest halts Ron Atkinson's appointment
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2005, 01:58:30 PM »
We all know who Ron is because he was always willing to run his mouth like the idiot that he is.  But please let's not fool ourselves into thinking that the others do not share the same sentiments.  Racism is a basic tenant of the institutions that they were trained in. 

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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2005, 07:55:41 AM »
Make Racism Illegal - Perfect Solution?

Argentine Player Remains Jailed for Alleged Racist Slurs
Desabato Could Face Three-Year Prison Term if Found Guilty
By TALES AZZONI, AP Sports

SAO PAULO, Brazil (April 14) - Quilmes defender Leandro Desabato cannot leave Brazil before his trial for using racial slurs against a Brazilian player during a Copa Libertadores match, a judge ruled on Friday.

   
 
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Judge Marcos Zili set bail at $4,000 and ordered the Argentine defender not to leave the country until his case comes to court.

Desabato, who was awaiting release from jail on Thursday night, could face a three-year prison term if he is found guilty of insulting Sao Paulo striker Grafite during Sao Paulo's 3-1 victory on Wednesday.

Grafite - who is black - made a formal complaint and said he would not withdraw it.

"It's nothing personal, but it's my right as a citizen," the striker said on Thursday. "He called me 'blacky' and 'monkey.' Maybe this will make a difference to blacks, not only in Brazil, but around the world."

   
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National team coach Carlos Alberto Parreira said the remarks had no place in soccer, where some of the top players - like Brazilian great Pele - were black.

"In a globalized world, an attitude like this is incomprehensible, especially in sports," he said. "Soul has no color. Every expression of racism must be condemned."

The Argentine was escorted off the field by police after the match, and arrested later because the insults were caught by television cameras.

"It should've been handled differently," Quilmes coach Gustavo Alfaro said. "They shouldn't have done that in the middle of the field, in front of everybody."

"Racist insults happen all the time in soccer and nobody ever did anything about it," Sao Paulo coach Emerson Leao said. "It's important someone finally took an action to contain such remarks."

Several Brazilian players - including stars Ronaldo and Roberto Carlos - have been subjected to racist insults in Europe in recent months.

   
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"This should be seen as an example for the entire world," Sao Paulo president Marcelo Portugal Gouvea told Radio Jovem Pan. "This kind of attitude should not be tolerated anywhere."

Lawyers for Quilmes tried to get Desabato released.

"(Desabato) gave contradictory statements, but apparently he thought it wasn't a crime to say what he said," police officer Dejar Gomes Neto said.

The Quilmes team, which had been scheduled to return to Argentina on Thursday morning, remained in Brazil waiting for Desabato.

"They can't come to Brazil and go unpunished after acts like that," police agent Oswaldo Nico Goncalves said.

Norberto Vidal, Argentina's consul in Sao Paulo, said he expected Desabato to be released soon.

"The laws here are severe when it comes to racism, but there's no reason he needs to remain in jail. We are working to solve this problem," Vidal said.

On Wednesday, Desabato and Grafite got into an altercation in the 44th minute after a heated dispute.

Grafite ended up pushing Desabato and was ejected by Uruguayan referee Martin Vazquez. Quilmes midfielder Carlos Arano was also sent off because he got involved in the altercation.

Grafite had previously said that he was subjected to racism during Sao Paulo's first encounter with Quilmes in Argentina last month, prompting Quilmes' directors to send a letter of apology to Sao Paulo.


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Racism in football Thread.
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2005, 03:10:08 PM »
Yorke to deliver message against Racism at Panama match.
By: Shaun Fuentes.


Trinidad and Tobago skipper Dwight Yorke will deliver a short message on behalf of this country before kick off in next Saturday’s 2006 World Cup qualifier against Panama following FIFA’s request for the teams to make a public declaration against racism in football.
Yorke is expected back in Trinidad on Sunday to rejoin the team for the live-in camp from Monday straight up until Saturday’s encounter.
The decision by FIFA is part of their initiative to stamp racism out of the sport and a banner reading “Say no to Racism” will be on display at the Hasely Crawford Stadium on the evening. Fans are being urged to come out in their numbers, not only to support the “Warriors” in the vital affair but also to join the fight against racism. Currently the Thierry Henry endorsed black and white anti-racism wristbands are popular while members of the National Team are sporting the red ‘Soca Warrior’ wristbands which fans are being urged to wear as a means of  supporting the team and also being a ‘Warrior’ against crime, violence and even racism in T&T. These bands can be purchased at Sports & Games, Sports Master and Sports Outlet shops.
T&T will also take part in the Unity Cup in London next month which is also geared towards breaking racial barriers. Nigeria, Ghana and Jamaica will also take part in the action which takes place at Upton Park from June 11.
Yorke among several other world renowned footballers have been subjected to racist remarks against them with his latest occurrence being the abuse from Blackburn Rovers fans in November 2004.
English-based goalkeeper Shaka Hislop recently received a special award from the Professional Footballers Association for his part in the fight against racism over the years. He was a founder of the “Show Racism the Red Card” campaign since his days at Newcastle United.
“Indeed it was an honour to get the award for the efforts that have gone on  in the fight against racism. The fact is that it is a problem not just in football but on outside as well and we all have a part to play in getting rid of it especially the fans and it’s great when they can identify with the fight at matches and other events,” Hislop told TTFF Media.
Last October a father and son were convicted after racially abusing Hislop during Pompey's 2-0 win over Manchester United.
He was not aware of the abuse until after it had happened. “There have been some high-profile incidents, like the abuse the England players received in Madrid earlier this year and Dwight Yorke's incident up at Blackburn," he said.
"When I was targeted I was fantastically proud of the way it was dealt with. It was fans who reported it, and the club were very hard in their stance against it. That sends out the right message. But the fact is there is still racism in the game, and all the time there is, the campaign must carry on."

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2005, 01:58:45 PM »
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Posted on 15 April 2005

By Brian Homewood (Reuters)
A major victory in the fight to wipe racism out of soccer or just another twist in the long-standing rivalry between Brazil and Argentina?

Brazil claims it has set a worldwide example in the battle against discrimination by arresting Argentine defender Leandro Desabato for allegedly using racist terms to insult an opponent in the Libertadores Cup match between Sao Paulo and Quilmes.

Officials of the visiting Buenos Aires team said they were victims of a farce and claimed the Brazilians had over-reacted.

Desabato was arrested on the pitch after Wednesday's 3-1 defeat, accused of slander aggravated by racism, and was kept in custody while lawyers hired by the Argentine club applied for bail.

Desabato was granted bail by a judge on Thursday but spent a second night in a police cell because his representatives did not have time to pay the 10 000 real ($3 861) surety.

"The racist attitude of the Argentine player goes against all the values of equality, respect and unity which sport promotes," said the Brazilian Sports Ministry in a statement.

"This is an example for the rest of the world," said Marco Polo del Nero, president of the Paulista (Sao Paulo state) Football Federation.

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Brazilian police say Desabato broke the laws of the land by racially insulting his opponent.

Critics, however, point out that the law is broken week-in, week-out on pitches all around the country where scything double-footed tackles from behind, vicious elbowing and punch-ups are common as well as all kinds of verbal insults.

Despite the on-field violence, there have been no major cases in Brazil of players being arrested for an incident during a match.

Some punch-ups, including one involving Santos and Corinthians players in 2003, have ended up in a police station but the protagonists are usually released after questioning.

In other parts of the world, authorities have also preferred to leave incidents during matches to the football tribunals, even in cases that would be considered criminal if they happened on the street.

A rare exception occurred in 1995 in Britain when Scotland and Everton striker Duncan Ferguson was jailed for head-butting an opponent.

Quilmes coach Gustavo Alfaro said Desabato had been arrested on the flimsiest of evidence.

"A football match should start and finish on the pitch," he said. "The witnesses are two television viewers who said they read his (Desabato's) lips."

Quilmes vice-president Jose Luis Meizner said: "This is not a coincidence, it seems that in Brazil there's a competition with Europe to see which country is leading the fight against racism."

CONTAMINATED WATER

In the end, the episode could go down as another incident in the long history of football rivalry between the two countries.

Only three months ago, an old controversy resurfaced about the possibility that Argentina players might have offered contaminated water to a Brazilian player during a match at the 1990 World Cup.

Argentines still remember Tulio's notorious Hand of God goal in the 1995 Copa America tie, which Brazil went on to win on penalties.

Sao Paulo coach Emerson Leao has never forgotten that he was injured during a huge brawl as coach of Atletico Mineiro after they beat Lanus 4-1 in Buenos Aires in the final of the 1997 Copa Conmebol.

He mentioned it again as he commented on the case after Wednesday's match, backing the decision to prosecute the Quilmes player.

"They have to take this to the bitter end," he said. "Let it be an example."

Brazil travel to Argentina for a World Cup qualifier in June while clubs from the two countries are likely to meet in the knockout stages of the Libertadores Cup between now and July.

Another round of controversy is unlikely to be far away.

 


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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2005, 02:00:54 PM »
Racial Discrimination in Argentina


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Executive Summary, Racial Discrimination: The Record of Argentina , Human Rights Documentation Center (September 2001)

 

WHILE Argentina has considered itself a crisol de razas or melting pot, it has only recently begun to recognize itself as a multicultural, multiracial society. The government of Argentina has taken significant formal steps toward the elimination of racial discrimination over the last decade. However, the measures provided by legal and institutional changes are still in the initial stages of implementation and have been substantially hindered by a lack of funds, the logistical and political complications associated with the transfer of power from one party to another in 1999, and Argentina's history of racism.

Most sources report Argentina's population as 97 per cent white (mostly of Spanish and Italian descent) and three percent mestizo (Amerindian' and European), Amerindian, or other nonwhite groups. One of the difficulties in assessing and addressing persistent forms of racial discrimination in Argentina is the lack of adequate information about the population, particularly the indigenous and immigrant communities. The national census scheduled for 2000 was postponed due to lack of funds. Historically, national census data has been collected using the category of national origin rather than race in Argentina, leading to undercounting Afro-Argentines and mestizos.

The official figures may overestimate the white population, but they certainly reflect the normative perception that the country is predominantly white. The nineteenth century founders of the nation aimed to make Argentina a white nation through various policies aimed at eliminating ethnic minority populations, while simultaneously encouraging European immigration. The 1853 Constitution is still largely in force today, and the preference for European immigration remains explicit. Racial discrimination persists against indigenous peoples, immigrants, Afro-Argentines, mestizo Argentines, Jews and Arabs.

Argentina's indigenous peoples face struggles concerning fundamental issues of survival, maintenance of cultural and linguistic integrity, land rights and bilingual education. Furthermore, the small, impoverished, socially maligned population must fight for mere recognition. Recent estimates of the indigenous population in Argentina vary widely from 450,000 to 1.5 million, approximately one to four per cent of the total Argentine population of approximately 36 million. These differing figures expose the lack of adequate census data on indigenous peoples, and make it difficult to gauge their civic and political participation. The last census of indigenous peoples was taken between 1965 and 1968.

Despite the constitutional recognition of indigenous people and formal protection of their rights to bilingual education, ownership of their ancestral lands, and guaranteed participation in resource management and development, in practice, indigenous peoples seldom participate in the management of their natural resources. In addition, indigenous peoples face social marginalization; for example, idiomatic slang like "hablo como un indio ' ('I'm speaking like an Indian") used when one does something considered stupid, enforces deprecatory views of indigenous peoples.

Immigration from other South American nations rose in the second half of the 2011 century. Korean immigrants also began to arrive in significant numbers in the 1970s (totaling approximately 30,000 by 1998). The delayed 2000 census and the large number of undocumented immigrants makes an accurate assessment of recent immigration difficult, but the 1991 census counted close to five per cent of the total population as foreign born. Undocumented immigrants are estimated at 50,000 to 2,500,000. While statistics are not available regarding the racial identity of the Latin American immigrants, given the primary source countries, it can be reasonably assumed that the majority of immigrants are mestizo or indigenous.

The widespread perception that Argentina is essentially white has meant that, as immigration from South America increases, Argentines of mestizo, indigenous and African ancestry are perceived as foreign, whether or not they are immigrants. Immigrants are disproportionately detained by the police, as the Minister of Justice admitted, but the government denies xenophobia. The public also perpetrates racial discrimination; for example, in admission to nightclubs in Buenos Aires, discrimination against Latin American immigrants and those who appear to be mestizo has been well documented.
Politicians have used rising crime rates in the metropolitan Buenos Aires area to fuel xenophobia and to argue for further restrictions on immigrants. They blame immigrants for the rise in crime, despite the government's own statistics demonstrating that immigrants were not responsible for the majority of crimes. News reports on the proposed legislation referred to foreign workers as an "invasion' and also blamed them for lower wages and high unemployment.

Discrimination against Korean immigrants significantly worsened after a series of news reports in 1993 on a case of Korean grocers exploiting undocumented Bolivian immigrant workers and stealing electricity from the State appeared in the press. A previous popular image of Koreans as industrious changed to an image of Koreans as poorly integrated, exclusive, and not willing to learn Spanish. Their presence in good schools and neighbourhoods has been described as an invasion.

The Jewish population in Argentina is estimated at two per cent. The most recent manifestations of Argentina's history of anti-Semitism include the terrorist bombings of the Israeli embassy (1992) and the Argentine Jewish Mutual Aid Association (1994), the desecration of Jewish cemeteries and the prevalence of swastikas among the graffiti on buildings (including government buildings) in Buenos Aires. Anti- Semitic attitudes are widespread among the populace, and many do not consider Jewish people to be truly Argentine. Anti-Semitism within security forces also remains a significant problem. For example, until popular agitation forced a change in 2000, a police manual contained racist and anti-Semitic expressions.

According to the Arab-Argentine chamber of commerce, there are Currently over 3.5 million Arab descendants in Argentina, notably including former President Carlos Menem. While his Syrian ancestry did not prevent him from being elected -- an important indicator of the lack of discrimination -- he was required to convert to Catholicism when he ran in 1989 (this prerequisite has since been abolished), and informal criticisms of him during his tenure were sometimes radicalized.

Violence and discrimination against women are ongoing problems in Argentina despite efforts in recent years to reduce these abuses. Indices of poverty and unemployment, especially in the context of the recent economic crisis, are of significant concern. Underemployment is 23.8 per cent for women while underemployment for men is 11.3 per cent; unemployment is 14.2 per cent for women and 11.4 per cent for men. Indigenous women and women belonging to other minority ethnic groups continue to suffer in particular from discrimination in employment. International trafficking in women involves luring immigrant women with lucrative and deceptive job offers, and forcing them into the Argentine sex trade.

In recent years, the Argentine government has made significant formal advances towards the elimination of discrimination and racism. The majority of these formal steps were undertaken by the administration of President Carlos Menem (1989-1999). However, the Menem administration was sharply criticized by human rights organizations, opposition political parties and the Catholic Church for xenophobia and antipathy to human rights agendas. The democratic transfer of power to the Alianza coalition party under the leadership of President Fernando de la Rua in December 1999 has furthered the anti-discrimination agenda of the government, but it has also delayed the implementation of relevant policies due to the change in leadership.

On 24 August 1994, the Argentine Constitution was amended in several ways that are relevant to the elimination of racial discrimination. In correspondence with international human rights instruments, new amendments prohibit discrimination, provide equal civil rights to nationals and foreigners, and recognize indigenous communities as previously-extant legal entities entitled to participation in relevant development issues. Under the auspices of the Instituto Nacional de Asuntos Indigenas (National Institute of Indigenous Affairs, INAT), various programmes have been established for furthering land re-distribution, bilingual education, health programmes, and rural economic development. Other articles allow for equal access to education, with protections for cultural identities and diversity, and give international human rights treaties, including the Convention on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, equal standing with the Constitution.

In addition to these constitutional amendments, various laws have been passed and decrees issued in recent years with the aim of eliminating racial and other forms of discrimination, documenting the occurrence of discrimination, and enabling victims to seek redress. These include laws criminalizing discriminatory acts or omissions based on race, ratifying International Labour Organization Convention No. 169 concerning the rights Indigenous and Tribal Peoples in Independent Countries, and establishing the National Institute to Combat Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Racism (Instituto Nacional contra la Discriminacion, Xenophobia y Racismo, INADI).

INADI was established by law in 1995 with the objective of elaborating national policies and concrete measures to combat discrimination, xenophobia and racism, and with the mandate of initiating and fulfilling actions to this end. INADI has held anti-discrimination training sessions for schoolteachers and law enforcement officials, and has launched public education campaigns. It also has established a mechanism to receive complaints and take action thereon in the courts. However, with difficult economic situations, anti- discrimination, government agencies like INADI and INAI suffer increased budget constraints. INADI faces difficulty in covering the entire national territory, and does not have funding to track statistics on racial discrimination and on its responses to the complaints it receives.

The Argentine government's recent measures against racial discrimination are commendable, but they are only a step on the way. Discrimination persists against immigrants, indigenous populations, and other racial minorities, and the government must increase funding to anti-discrimination agencies, collect census data, and launch public education programs to insure that legal measures translate into genuine relief for Argentina's maligned populations.
 
 
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2005, 02:07:19 PM »
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    Soccer in Argentina, is an important way of life, for most young people, it is the only way of life. Children would clear pastures (fields) of rocks, and mark the goals off with stones.  The people were so poor that there was no ball, they used women's stockings all wrapped up together. From a very young age the children were taught to play for the love of the game, nothing else. For these young children, Argentine soccer was a way of life, not just a sport, it defined who these people were.     

    More than 85% of the people that live in Argentina are of white European decent.  15% are a mix between European and  Indigenous people, better know as 'Mestizos.'  During the colonial period Argentina consisted of a large black population, but as the 19th century came about the population dwindled to a few thousand.  The reason for this decline in the black population was due to many things: There were many wars which mostly blacks participated in, racially missed marriages took place, because there was a shortage of black men, disease and also the slave trade.  "Overall, however, the substantially reduced numbers of Afro-Argentines — by some accounts the population totals only a few thousand — have enabled Argentina to deny the historic relevance of blacks and portray theirs as a white nation free of racism. An article appearing in The Montreal Gazette in 1998 quotes a Buenos Aires museum director's response to the possibility of an Afro-Argentine exhibit: "We have too many important events and personalities to show. We can't waste space putting things that don't have any relevance to our history." The country's self-image coexists with continued manifestations of racism. The same article explains that when the Argentine soccer team was to play either the Brazilian or Nigerian team in the Olympic finals, a sports newspaper ran the headline, "Bring on the Monkeys," eliciting protests from the governments of both potential opponents. As of the late 1990s efforts by scholars like Andrews, Goldberg, Chace, and others seek to confront such persistent racism and ensure that the historic significance of Afro-Argentines is not forgotten."(Roanne Edwards)

    Soccer is one of the largest sports in the world, and grosses $250 billion dollars a year.  The organization know as FIFA, promotes the "shared common values that transcend culture, social division and racial differences." (Rob Hughes) The world would be a better place, if it were more like a soccer field, Joseph Blatter (the president of FIFA) states. Racism has slowly made it's way into the soccer scene, throughout the years and is the greatest threat to the sport.  There are many ideas to combat the threat of racism: "if, as soccer claims, it generates $250 billion annually around the world, the bulk of it in Europe where racism festers, one suggestion to disinfect the sport from nihilism could be a soccer intelligence unit. Rather than attempting to confront the thugs, the goal would be to infiltrate, observe and inform the police, who in some countries lack the resources and know-how to nip racism in the ugly bud. That, and considerably more meaningful punishments than a two-match suspension to a blatant racist on the pitch."(Rob Hughes)

    Even though, racism does exists in Argentine soccer; like in Brazilian soccer the game is still played because it is an intricate part of the countries history.  Soccer came to Argentina much like it came to Brazil.  It started off as an elite sport and slowly transcended to the peasantry.  Soon soccer became a way of life, people were playing it in the stadiums, parks and streets.  The game began to embody the culture of the Brazilian people. Racism has been apart of the game and still is but, "when all is said and done they (the players) play for the love of the game and because they're bloody good and the game wouldn't be the same if they were not in it." (Miranda Pine) One of these players who played for the love of the game was Diego Maradona.

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Re: Brazil claims racism stand, Argentina cries farce
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2005, 04:20:00 PM »
David Trezeguet and veron are the only  black people i have seen from argentina
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Re: Brazil claims racism stand, Argentina cries farce
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2005, 04:33:42 PM »
Trezeguet isnt french?
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Re: Brazil claims racism stand, Argentina cries farce
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2005, 04:51:20 PM »
Trezeguet's Mother is a black woman from France. I don't know what de hell Veron is.

Racism is a problem in Argentina. I was watching a program on GOL TV called 45/45 where one of the commentators (an Argentine) said that the ball moved on a penalty before the player struck it because the Africans ( He was referring to Nigeria in particular) performed black magic on the ball.

On another debate on GOL TV which was in English they said that a lot of these things are misunderstanding because of differences in culture and language. They pointed to the fact that in Uruguay they use a word to discribe black people which is harmless to them but extremely offensive in Brazil. That seems kind of strange to me, why during a game would want to call an opposing player a name like that. There must be an intention to insult the player.

At the end of the day football mirrors society and ignorance thrives in emotional environments like sport. While players must be encouraged to execute principles of sportmanship etc. I don't think this can't be tackled isolated from the social realty. If you're a racist off the pitch, I don't see how it will change when on the pitch. The monkey noises I heard in the Spain - England game particularly weren't coming from just 10 people. Those countries need to sort out their business.

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HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2005, 09:18:54 PM »
Real good documentary about Racism in football.

They trying to make it look like football is a white extremist sport to the US public.

They showing all the games in Spain and Italy and the fan and player behaviour.

They also showing the English national team and the views of the racisits across there. They have a group called the National front and the man say black footballers are not English. So gumble say but they are born and bred here....hear the man response "If a dog is born in a stable its still not a horse they are not English."

They interview Thierry henry as well and show him and other players getting boo on the pitch.

When you check it all our players who pass thru the wars real had a hard time, it isnt easy out there for them to succeed.



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Re: HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2005, 09:38:27 PM »
It never cease to amaze me the way in which the public devours the football/soccer coverage in North America. I have been very critical with the Canadian sports channels with their lack of coverage of CONCACAF.I have send Emails and have made numerous pleads  for expanded coverage of games outside of Europe. We need to rise the profile of the sport in te CONCACAF region and we as fans should be sending endless messages to our media for more coverage.

Last month  on a program titled 'Soccer Central' they  mentioned the USA victory but did not even acknowledge TNT games. It is appalling to watch and listen to the very eurocentric media propaganda of the sport. Is it any wonder the foreign press could take liberties and brand us as 'soccer minnows'

Far from me to  chastize those who  are freverent fans of the sports; in as  far as I watch the occassional games, I am not and will not be seduced by  leagues which  claim to be the league of choice. There is an enthocentricim which prevails the soccer world; it is one which European countries attempt to control and monopolize.  Any  player of any reknown from countries out of Europe, are quickly  bought up on the 'common market' and  if they rae to  have any claim to fame are forced to ply their trade  with European  clubs. The economics, the viability, the stability of these clubs have enslaved our very best and then  to diminish our chance of any glory, is reeking havoc in efforts to undermine foreign players from representing thier countries in WCQ.

 I am not anti European football, I find it simply arrogrant and biased the way in which the media 'hypes' european football as it it is the be all and end all of football suppremacy!!! hence when it comes to  all WORLD CUP appearances, in lieu of a TNT appearance I rally for any African country and my favs... BRAZIL to kick all dem arse.
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Re: HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2005, 10:05:04 PM »
alberta...yuh gettin political on we here man....but you have to realize who yuh talking about eh!  is Europe yuh know!!!  dem is the same fellaz who extract all the minerals out of Africa, and send up all the sugar from the caribbean on the backs of slaves and indentured laborers back to Europe...and when the flow runnin thin they say, we goh let yuh become independent, and we go lend yuh this loan at 300% interest...and these 3rd world countries not paying back they debts man (never even dare mention repatriation of what they stole)!!!
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Re: HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2005, 06:54:23 AM »
I saw the program and yes the racism is there obviously. I didn't like the fact that the showcase this on HBO when in reality HBO, and B Gumble couldn't care less about football and racism. I thought it was an opportunist piece, even though it was good to highlight.

But in reality who is America to talk about Racism and in football to boot. Like they really care.

America is still the most racist country on Earth and most exploitive, the difference is that they have grown up and know how to hide it. They not as foward and obvious but when the going gets tough, the poor still dying right here.

Look at Katrina and the reaction right in this country. Doctors was on television saying that the gov't officials tell them to not help people because it is a liability (as if poor people going to sue after steups) and they also tell them don't give them water cause if you do they won't leave. Dem people sick in the head.

Just yesterday this former Gov't official Bill Bennet say about if you abort all the black babies in America you would see the crime rate drop and he say he sure of that. And they actually find people to agree with him.

look it here

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509280006

So the story was true but to me they make it see as if..... look everybody look what they doing over there as if it aint happening here. They may not be chanting monkey noises here but they lettin people die when people need help the most.

But is mostly white men though cause they know every now and then and then again the women want the mandingalingo.... and what yuh go do but help them out in they time ah need ;) :D

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Re: HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2005, 08:04:21 AM »
america love some fregging racism every chance dey get they go bring it up. ever since i come up here every time yuh see ah brother in work he talking bout the white mang him  bringing him down. brother simple and plain everything ah man put his mind to he will get.dem men talkin bout racism and up here they iz de most set ah racist i ever see in my life.i had to hit ah man a slap fuh dissing ah fellow trini and calling him taliban cause he is ah indian.in the end yes there is racism in european football we all know that, but we dont want anybody from in america to tell we dat.
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Re: HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2005, 10:00:47 AM »
Cause America take racism to the institutional level does not mean that they are any better.  In Europe there is probably more intermixing than America.  Only the surface does look good here, but when yuh dig below, the core of the matter is that this is still a segregated society, and many middle class and upper class white Americans hold very rigid, and often unrealistic sterortypes about black people.  Why is it that every white American think that being black should be equated to hip hop, for example.  I am a simple Caribbean man; not that I have anything with someone who listens to hip hop.  Ah just saying, they don't take the time to know us as indivuals because they consider us all the same.

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Re: HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2005, 10:08:48 AM »
a slap dan?

get tha morvant mentality out a yuh system

anybody know wen the episode of real sports showing again?
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Re: HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2005, 10:16:23 AM »
Tell Mr. Gumbel to start covering what's happening in New Orleans, and forget about
the World's MOST Popular game. That's racism!!!
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Re: HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2005, 10:31:26 AM »
The American media does go out of they way to portray football (yes the real football) as a violent game.  Ah don't think they understand the communal ties these clubs have and the long history that they have.  This ain't no franchise business where ytuh does move to get a tax shelter.  We all know about the loyalty of American sporting teams; it's all about loyalty to money, not the fans.  They can't stand to think that football is the world's game, and they'tre not dictating that.

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Re: HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2005, 01:51:03 PM »
a slap dan?

get tha morvant mentality out a yuh system

anybody know wen the episode of real sports showing again?


It is showing on HBO2 at 4.00 this afternoon and tomorrow morning on HBO at 9.00 am.

Other showtimes here

I'll comment when I check it out tomorrow.

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Re: HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2005, 04:14:20 PM »
Tell Mr. Gumbel to start covering what's happening in New Orleans, and forget about
the World's MOST Popular game. That's racism!!!
Football above all sports can bring peace to this planet, 'cause in every corner of
the globe, people live and breathe the game.
Football is a peace maker, like no other sport!


Devraig


racism is not a football issue, it is a societal issue that can rear it's ugly head anywhere including football (evidently)..........so to tell Bryant Gumbel to forget about racism in the World's best game because it's a peacemaker is just creating a false pretence about another avenue through which racism creeps.......That kind of ignorance is what makes the problem escalate.........how can you openly boast of such backward thinking ?

You should think more carefully before you utter such garbage !!!!

Shame on you brother.
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Re: HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2005, 05:17:40 PM »
we looking at the content of the program in a very narrow way. everyone wants to think of it as anti-football and anti-european...and in turn some of us are unwittingly demonstrating your own anti-american (anti-white american) prejudices. racism comes from ignorance...so let us take the higher road and not respond with ignorance as well. look...I am not going to defend the US, or the US press...I have many negative and many positive things to say about race in America, and american propaganda. But that does not change the fact that racists in Europe are using football stadia to gain publicity and terrify minorities in a way we thought was all in the past. Think what you may about the American press but silence is the greater sin......stop shooting doen the messenger and try to figure out what to do with the message

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Re: HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2005, 08:07:43 AM »
Well said Filho.  Best post on this thread.

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Re: HBO real sports with Bryant Gumble.....Racism in football
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2005, 10:06:13 AM »
The issue of racism and how it is manifested and propogated through the media is at the heart of what we are seeing. Systemic barriers  are cultivated and we get absorbed in a system's way of thinking.
 Sometimes we need to step out and to confront the issue on different levels and in the multiple  ways in which it is manifested in our daily encounters. Sports  just happens to be one aspect  and one mode  by which elements of the issue is played out.

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« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2005, 05:58:14 PM »
Italy's racists make life hell for Ivory Coast's

Italy's racists make life hell for Ivory Coast's Zoro
October 12, 2005

ROME (AFP) - Despite promises by the Italian football authorities to clamp down on racism, Serie A defender Marc Zoro says he constantly suffers "deplorable" insults because of the colour of his skin.

"I have been playing in Italy for three years and I see this happening almost daily, particularly when I'm in the north or the centre of the country, playing against clubs like Lazio, Roma, Verona and Treviso," the 21-year-old, who plays for Sicilian side Messina, told AFP.

"It happens less in the south of Italy, but I have problems all the time. All this makes me really sad. It's not easy for me and it hurts. I don't deserve this."

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On the first day of this season, Messina played Lazio at Rome's Olympic stadium; Zoro, an Ivory Coast international, was subjected to monkey chants throughout the match.

His anger almost boiled over at the final whistle and he had to be restrained by his team-mates. Afterwards Lazio president Claudio Lotito went into the Messina dressing room to apologise on behalf of his club.

There was a similar outpouring of vitriol several weeks later when Messina visited Siena in Tuscany, where Zoro was roundly booed and jeered every time he touched the ball.

Asked whether initiatives like the European Week Against Racism in Sport - which runs from October 13 to 25 - could help eradicate the bigotry, Zoro said he thinks the issue runs too deep.

"It's a good thing, but the root of the problem is mentality; it's down to ignorance and a lack of sophistication.

"To shout racist insults and to throw things at the players is just savage behaviour. And sometimes it's even worse.

"(Ivory Coast born Lazio midfielder) Christian Manfredini is whistled by fans of his own club. If a fan loves his club, he can't have this kind of attitude."

Zoro was at a loss to explain why Italy has failed to deal with racism on the terraces, an offence which carries a possible jail sentence in England where the bigots have been driven away.

"It's deplorable that this happens in a country like Italy, which has one of the best football championships in the world and where football is so important," he said.

"It's clear that the international football community takes a very dim view of this, and my Messina teammates are very supportive.

"Once, in a match against Treviso, the whole team blackened their faces in a show of solidarity."

Last week Zoro's Ivory Coast team qualified for the World Cup for the very first time. Messina finished seventh in Serie A last season, their first campaign in the top division for almost 40 years.

Updated on Tuesday, Oct 11, 2005 8:09 pm EDT


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Re: Racism shows it's ugly face/but words won't kill me, it makes me stronger.
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2005, 09:19:32 PM »
Yuh remember de big uproar when ah sweet darkie win Miss Italy...when she went to Miss Universe, she blast her own people about racism when dey asked her a question.