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Unfair to TT.
« on: October 11, 2012, 09:15:11 AM »
I hope India never win another cricket match for the next 20 years for the shit they have foisted on the TT cricket team.TT was the team of the tournament when they first went to India and almost won the CL,in their second attempt they again showed that they can stand up and fight to the very last ball,bad captaincy caused their exit.
It is totally unfair to judge a team by one match which is what happened to TT,a fairer judgement would be to put the six teams in one group and each play one another,as I've said I hope India gets facked whenever they play the game of cricket,anywhere,anytime,against anybody. >:(

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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2012, 09:31:06 AM »
This tournament is setup by the big money people who only look at market share. We do not contribute anything to that so-called market share. Yes, this is about cricket, but it is more about big money and name recognition. I guess the organizers do not think our name is big enough. But one thing all TT sportsmen must know, who holds the purse make the rules. The game was win or go home. Just play to f--kin' win. SStop grumblin', "it eh fair, we show them 2 yrs ago we could play with the big boys....".  Frico, Bro, check your blood pressure.

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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2012, 09:36:57 AM »
A Dog's Breakfast of Champions
This Twenty20 Tournament Will be Fun, but Standards Are Questionable

By RICHARD LORD

Soccer's UEFA Champions League is the world's foremost competition for professional clubs.

In field hockey, the FIH Champions Trophy is the international game's premier annual tournament.

But when it comes to cricket, it seems that every tournament with "Champions" in its title is destined to be devalued, disparaged and generally to suffer from a serious credibility deficit.

For starters, there's the ICC Champions Trophy, whose biggest problem is irrelevance: This always-the-bridesmaid tournament styled itself as a mini World Cup, but has never captured the imagination of players or fans amid the glut of international fixtures. It is to be shelved in 2013.

Then there's the Champions League Twenty20, which started Tuesday in South Africa. Its problems are more systemic—this is a tournament that was doomed from the outset to be undercut by its own format and rules.

Like its parent tournament, the Indian Premier League, it features top domestic sides from around the world and offers great entertainment on the field. But where the IPL exists under a permanent cloud of suspicion about whether every team operates on a level playing field, with the CLT20 there's no such ambiguity: It is very obviously a carve-up. This is mostly because the tournament is owned and run not by the International Cricket Council, as you'd expect of a competition that draws its teams from around the globe, but by the governing bodies of India, South Africa and Australia, while its chair is N. Srinivasan, president of the Board of Control for Cricket in India.

This strange state of affairs is reflected in the CLT20's format, which favors teams from the tournament-founding nations—and especially those from the IPL, whose fans provide it with its key television audience (this is also the reason why the tournament switches between India and South Africa, ignoring Australia, where the time difference is unhelpful for an Indian audience.)

Like its soccer namesake, the Champions League Twenty20 is a misnomer. The teams taking part aren't exclusively national champions, but a selection of top sides from different nations. Nor are places allocated solely on merit: In this year's event, the IPL receives four invites, the South African, Australian and English T20 competitions each get two berths, and the domestic leagues in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies and New Zealand receive one each. In addition, the teams from the three founding nations are guaranteed a bye through the qualifying round, which means all but two of the other six teams are sent home. With $2.5 million on offer for the winner—the highest prize money in cricket history—, that kind of leg-up can prove very useful.

England could have been in on this cozy little arrangement, but lost its chance after a split with tournament organizers before the first edition was played. The reason was the BCCI's ruthless policy concerning anyone connected with its now-defunct rival, the Indian Cricket League. Some English county teams employed former ICL players; a situation that the BCCI objected to. This year, two English sides are in the qualifying rounds, but they aren't likely to get far in the tournament. Next year, English teams aren't even planning to take part.

The ICL, of course, was swept aside by the IPL, and thanks to its format it's the IPL teams that usually dominate the CLT20. As well as receiving twice as many berths as any other national league, the very nature of the IPL ensures its teams are stronger: There are currently only nine franchises (although there have been between eight and 10), and thanks to their enormous wealth, they pretty much get to share out the world's best players between them.

In addition, they get preferential rights to them in the CLT20: If a player has represented both an IPL team and a team from a different country participating in the competition (the domestic T20 merry-go-round means that some players invariably have represented several teams), the IPL franchise gets first refusal. It has to compensate the other team, but it can afford it.

As is often the case, this issue is most acute with players from West Indies, a region stacked with talented players, but too poor and lightly populated to match the lucrative salaries on offer in other countries. The upshot is that Kieron Pollard, Dwayne Bravo and Sunil Narine are competing in this year's tournament for their IPL teams rather than for Trinidad and Tobago, which is the country of their birth. (although it competes in T20 as a domestic side.)

In fact, it is surprising that Trinidad is fielding a side here at all: Its players refused to travel to South Africa unless they were given a share of the money received by the Trinidad and Tobago Cricket Board from the IPL teams for the services of Pollard, Bravo and Narine.

Fortunately, there is one area in which the teams in this year's tournament are all equal: their composition. Last year, unforgivably,Mumbai Indians was allowed to field five overseas players rather than the usual four because of a rash of injuries, a nonsense that appeared to suggest that the team was unable to find a single fit replacement in the whole of Maharashtra.

It may be no coincidence that Mumbai went on to win that tournament, beating Royal Challengers Bangalore in the final. The previous year, the IPL's Chennai Super Kings took the title and only the inaugural tournament in 2009, which was won by New South Wales Blues, hasn't featured an IPL team in the final. The absence of a finalist from the IPL hit TV ratings hard and the change to the format, with four IPL teams instead of three, was mostly in order to make sure it doesn't happen again. This year, another all-IPL final is more than likely.

To be sure, the action over the next three weeks will likely be a lot of fun, and may unearth a new talent or two; this was the stage on which both Pollard and Narine first came to wider attention. But as much as the players will be desperate to win it, and for all the scintillating feats they are sure to produce, in doing so, the CLT20 is a tournament that, as currently constituted, will always feel more like a hollow, money-making exercise than a legitimate cricket competition.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444799904578048341368025964.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


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CLT20: No level-playing field, as different rules govern different teams!


The Champions League is not truly representative of the champion teams because it has different set of rules for Indian teams and another for foreign teams. The clout of the BCCI is obvious, but it’s a ticking time bomb and the Indian cricket board better watch out, cautions Nishad Pai Vaidya.
 
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The Auckland Aces of New Zealand and the English side Yorkshire Carnegie have stormed through to the main draw of the Champions League T20 (CLT20). With a dominating performance in the qualifying stages, the two sides have effectively eliminated the T20 champions from England, Pakistan, West Indies and Sri Lanka. Looking at the number of champions exiting the tournament only two days into it, it does beg the question: Does the CLT20 create a level playing field for the champions from different countries? A closer inspection would reveal that the answer is a resounding no.
 
The CLT20 was meant to create a platform whereby the T20 champions from various countries would come and battle for the coveted title. The concept is along the lines of the popular UEFA Champions League – a competition where some of the best European football teams contest. However, the format employed for cricket’s version of the battle of the clubs leaves a lot to be desired. It doesn’t present the teams with equal opportunities for a shot at the title and is completely dominated by the Indian Premier League (IPL) franchises. As discussed in previous articles, the CLT20 is nothing but an international extension of the IPL.
 
Firstly, one must ask the question: Why are the IPL teams given an undue advantage at the CLT20? There are four of them in the competition – two more than the maximum participation from other countries. While South Africa, Australia and England are represented by their respective champions and runners-up, only the champions from Sri Lanka, New Zealand, Pakistan and West Indies were given an entry. On the other hand, Mumbai Indians and Delhi Daredevils – teams who didn’t make it to the IPL final find themselves in the main league!
 
Secondly, it is bizarre as to why the teams have to play a qualifying stage before making it into the main draw. Teams like Trinidad and Tobago, Sialkot Stallions and Uva Next are champions in their own right and deserve a direct entry into the main round. Instead, Mumbai and Delhi are direct entrants without even having silverware to show in their cabinet. The only positive when compared to the previous edition is that a team from Pakistan has been allowed participation.
 
Thirdly, Mumbai may have been champions the last time around, but shouldn’t have been given allowed a direct entry into the main round. The winners of the inaugural edition New South Wales failed to make it to the finals of their national T20 league the next season and didn’t qualify for the CLT20. However, they weren’t given an entry just because they were the champions of the previous edition. South Australia and Victoria turned up for the 2010 edition and New South Wales had to wait till 2011 for another shot at the title. Why are the rules being changed when an IPL team is involved?
 
The format for the qualifying stage is clearly flawed. A team that works hard through the domestic season has one bad day at the CLT20 and has to face elimination. Also, a team that plays the first game has a distinct advantage over those waiting for their chance. For example, Yorkshire won their first game against Uva on Tuesday and then faced Trinidad in their second game. The West Indian side had to win to keep their hopes alive, while Yorkshire’s fate wasn’t completely dependent on this game.
 
Trinidad and Tobago are a side that has entertained in previous CLT20s and are unfortunate to have lost out this time around. In the inaugural edition, they had a remarkable run through to the finals and were the most popular side of the competition. What is interesting is that they always tend to produce remarkable players – who later fall prey to the IPL franchises and don’t turn up for their home side at the CLT20. Their case proves that such teams deserve to be given an equal footing when compared to the teams given a preference as one never knows how they may perform. It is shameful that the one-time finalists have to go through a qualification round to prove their status even after they have been crowned champions in the West Indies.
 
Keeping all these arguments in perspective, the name “Champions League” is a misleading. The real champions aren’t given their due even as some of the lesser deserving teams get an upper hand. The clout of the Indian board is obvious and it wouldn’t be long before such moves unnerve other governing bodies around the world. They may be the major stakeholders in the tournament, but cannot go on creating norms to suit themselves. It is a ticking time bomb and the BCCI better watch out.

http://www.cricketcountry.com/cricket-articles/CLT20-No-level-playing-field-as-different-rules-govern-different-teams/18711

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Re: Unfair to TT.
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2012, 11:09:38 AM »
This tournament is setup by the big money people who only look at market share. We do not contribute anything to that so-called market share. Yes, this is about cricket, but it is more about big money and name recognition. I guess the organizers do not think our name is big enough. But one thing all TT sportsmen must know, who holds the purse make the rules. The game was win or go home. Just play to f--kin' win. SStop grumblin', "it eh fair, we show them 2 yrs ago we could play with the big boys....".  Frico, Bro, check your blood pressure.
So did you think its fair to have a team eliminated after one match...no way mate.Dwyane Bravo,Keiron Pollard and Sunil Narine have been very instrumental in getting their teams in the IPL on the winners podium with magnificent displays,what more bloodyrecognition do they want,TT with all their players can beat anybody and should have won yesterday had Ramdin bowled first.India got their selfish asses kicked in the WC while a Windies team with 5 Trinis won the WC,THATS RECOGNITION FOR YOU.I sitll say one match is not enough to know how good a team is,I will only be watching when Pollard and Narine play,lets all become selfish and greedy like India.

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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2012, 06:00:29 PM »
Frico, all what you say is true. But like I said before, he who holds the purse make the rules. The rules is unfair, but we lost. Next year!!!!

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2012, 11:32:26 AM »
Where are the 'Champions' in Champions League?

This league might be a bit of fun and showcase a host of big names, but the organisational process could be revisited

On face value, it is very difficult to take the Champions League T20 seriously.

It is not, as its name suggests, a competition of winners. After all, the second, third and fourth placed teams in a league of nine are participating along with the runners-up of some tournaments and victors of others.

Beyond the format, there are other oddities. The opening concert will be headlined by a person who calls himself DJ Earworm, a mash up artist. For those who don't know that does not involve potatoes but mixing of sounds to form what the Billboard 100 charts say is very popular music. What that has to do with cricket is as much as cheerleaders and fireworks. So, in other words, a lot.

Let's not bemoan that cricket is not simply cricket anymore because it has been taken over by side shows. We've known that for a while and secretly a lot of us like it because it is, even if it is just a little, fun. Who doesn't like a bit of dancing in between regular life? In the middle of all the fun, we could forget about the real issues that surround a tournament like this.

The imbalanced nature of the competition is its greatest flaw. With four IPL teams, two South African franchises and two Australian gaining automatic entry into the event, the rest are right to feel a little left out. Of the remaining Full Member countries, two - Zimbabwe and Bangladesh - were not even invited to qualify while the other five were give two spots to fight over. Even those were not evenly handed out as England were allowed two teams in qualifying while Pakistan, New Zealand and Sri Lanka were only permitted one each.

The result is a main event that just does not seem fair. If the marketing says the competition will be played between champions, why are so many absent?

The answer lies where so many other answers do: in money. When a novel concept like the CLT20 was mooted, its intentions must have been to play a real league of champions. The boards of India, South Africa and Australia quickly realised the only way they could make money out of it would be if more Indian teams were involved to appeal to larger Indian audience, who the advertisers pay to target.

That economic law of supply and demand was enough to steer the course of the entire tournament. Because more Indian teams need to be involved, fewer other teams can participate to avoid the event becoming much longer. Because South Africa and Australia are shareholders, they needed to see some benefit other than having a stake in it, so they get two teams. Because everyone else is not part of the administration of the tournament, they get what's left over.

Surely then some concoction of a tournament name like the 'Ind-SA-Aus T20 with invited guests' would be more appropriate and more honest. It would settle the question about who really owns the competition, who benefits from it and who dictates terms. It would be a private event and no-one would have any right to complain about it.

Such a neat solution is not possible though, because the ICC endorses the CLT20 in its current form. Why else would they permit a window for it in every year on the FTP? No other multi-team tournament that is not a World Cup (even the Champions Trophy is at an end) and certainly no other domestic event has this right. The game's governing body has rubber stamped the CLT20 and that would give it little reason to alter its composition in future.

Perhaps ICC involvement could make a difference in future, if it assumes some governing rights over the CLT20. Take UEFA's Champions League, which the CLT20 is often compared with, as an example. First of all, note that the top three leagues in Europe are allowed to enter four teams into the event, while some of the other countries are not even given a spot, so even the footballing equivalent is skewed.

The difference is that the system used in European Football is based on rankings, not ownership of an event. UEFA use a footballing coefficient to determine which leagues are placed where on the rankings system. The coefficient takes into account how the clubs from each country have performed in previous Champions Leagues, so those who have done better in the past have more spots in the future.

A system like that would ensure that Trinidad and Tobago are rewarded for reaching the 2009 final and could even see a team like the Sialkot Stallions get some recognition for holding the world record for the most consecutive wins in the 20-overs format. It would mean that money does not control the entire organisation of the event, as it does now.

Even moving the tournament to South Africa was, to some extent, driven by money. A Pakistan team could probably not have toured India with the current tensions, and religious festivals across the country would have made it difficult to host at certain venues. Instead, South Africa, default hosts for everything from the African Nations' Cup that was due to be held in Libya to a Champions Trophy once destined for Pakistan, were asked to step in so money that would be made from this year's CLT20 is not lost.

CSA itself will not make much more money from the event. They will receive the same shareholding as usual and will have to pay the hosting fees to stadiums out of that cash. It could result in them getting less money. Additional income will stem from hotel, airline and restaurant revenue as a large number of people descend on the country for the showpiece.

Make no mistake that it will be a showpiece. Despite the administrative issues, the tournament remains a home to some of the world's best players. Almost every big-name player, be it in the 20-overs format or not, is participating. World T20 Man-of-the-Series Shane Watson will turn out for Sydney, Sunil Narine and Kieron Pollard will play for their respective IPL sides, exciting prospects like Chris Morris of the Lions, Gary Ballance of Yorkshire and Shahbaz Nadeem of Delhi will be able to make names for themselves.

But even on the playing side, there is an strangeness. The player whose name is almost permanently aligned to a T20 competition, Chris Gayle, is absent. Gayle has played in every 20-overs competition besides New Zealand's and England's (he played for Worcestershire but not in the shortest format). Remarkably, none of the teams he represented made it to the main draw of the tournament.

Gayle was due to play for Uva Next in the SLPL but had to withdraw because of injury, meaning even if they had got past the qualifiers, he would not have been in their squad. His absence is so extraordinary that Mahela Jayawardene, who will captain Delhi, was even able to crack a joke about it. "Obviously Chris has set standards and he will be missed," he said. "But he has to lift his game and try and bring one of his teams to CLT20 next year."

Now that is something to take pretty seriously indeed.

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Re: Unfair to TT.
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2012, 02:23:11 PM »
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I read the article and it just makes me not want to look at the games,I can understand that most sports wants to generate plenty money but at the expense of bona fide cricket teams and champions at that,that in my view is false.I hope this farce of a so called Champions League fails to attract viewers the way the organisers have "FIXED" it.I hope that Simmons,Badri and Cooper gets a contract in the 2013 IPL,i now only care about West indians in the IPL taking money from them,I will look at their teams,de ress ah dem can sex up dey self.

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2012, 02:58:43 PM »
DWH:
I read the article and it just makes me not want to look at the games,I can understand that most sports wants to generate plenty money but at the expense of bona fide cricket teams and champions at that,that in my view is false.I hope this farce of a so called Champions League fails to attract viewers the way the organisers have "FIXED" it.I hope that Simmons,Badri and Cooper gets a contract in the 2013 IPL,i now only care about West indians in the IPL taking money from them,I will look at their teams,de ress ah dem can sex up dey self.

This is the problem right there. As long as our players remain dependent on the IPL/BCCI to  earn a living we will always be pawns in their game and have to bend to their every fancy.  India / the BCCI has become larger than the game of cricket itself, and that should never have been allowed to happen.

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2012, 06:18:33 PM »
DWH:
I read the article and it just makes me not want to look at the games,I can understand that most sports wants to generate plenty money but at the expense of bona fide cricket teams and champions at that,that in my view is false.I hope this farce of a so called Champions League fails to attract viewers the way the organisers have "FIXED" it.I hope that Simmons,Badri and Cooper gets a contract in the 2013 IPL,i now only care about West indians in the IPL taking money from them,I will look at their teams,de ress ah dem can sex up dey self.

This is the problem right there. As long as our players remain dependent on the IPL/BCCI to  earn a living we will always be pawns in their game and have to bend to their every fancy.  India / the BCCI has become larger than the game of cricket itself, and that should never have been allowed to happen.

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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2012, 10:48:37 AM »
As long as Tendulkar continue to play with the Mumbai Indians...they will always be an automatic entrant in the CLT20.
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2012, 02:14:43 AM »
Chenai Super Kings not so SUPER without Bravo and when Polly dont give MI the boost they need nobody else can come to the party and they lose,what about KKR they cant make nuff runs to give Sunil the chance to bowl the opposition out,I say "good fuh dem".They wanted more Indian teams to attract big TV viewing but it may just backfire coz it could very well be an Australian and Kiwi or Saffie team in the finals.
I do hope that Pollard gets some runs and Narine continue to get wickets but they cannot do the job when everything depends on how they do.

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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2012, 05:42:44 AM »
Not even watching it.
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2012, 11:59:12 AM »
Not even watching it.
As ah say good fuh dem,I eh care to watch it edah ,India will soon find that when the USA 20/20 kicks off they might have to beg people to go and play in their IPL.

 

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