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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #120 on: December 09, 2012, 07:30:33 PM »
A man say Jorsling and class in the same sentence yes.  :rotfl:

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #121 on: December 09, 2012, 07:31:44 PM »
No excuses..apart from the first 10 minutes we were horrible

The team lacked a game plan.. funny considering we have 2  head coaches specifically for that reason


Scenarios (if it is GD and not head to head)
we on -2 and 1 point.. Antigua on +1

Scenario 1: Win and hope Haiti beat Antigua...
Scenario 2: Win 3-0 and hope Antigua win 2-0, or Haiti win by any result
Scenario 3: A Win by 4 clear goals and Antigua draw

The target have to be win 4-0.. once we do that we will qualify ... hope our management staff realize this...we need to be on the front foot from the start and get those goals early then play on the counter

Jorsling has to start that last game.. you could see the experience and bit of class.. very similar to how Peter Byers is for Antigua... good hold up striker that can score goals

Richard Roy is poor, so is Plaza and Gay looked out of sorts today being his 1st game back...totally rusty

Peltier was needed on the right today..I dont understand that one at all




Peltier must be carrying a knock.
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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #122 on: December 09, 2012, 07:32:36 PM »
I have purposefully chosen not to get caught up in the hype during the games. I have changed my expectations and found out I felt better when the team exceeded the expectations from the previous round. I approached this round in the same manner.

Following this game One could sense the inconsistency  and the growing pains in putting together a team haphazardly. Victory will go to those who can prevail in the long run-----2018 has to be the targeted goal.

Here we=were exceeding expectations with one coach and at a time like this, we make a change to the coaching with the hope that it would add to the chemistry  without distracting from what  was building between the players and the lone coach?

Delayed gratification!!!!!!!!! five more years to go.

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #123 on: December 09, 2012, 07:33:53 PM »
I doh drink alcohol, but tonight i might just take ah drink and burn two bighead spliffs. ah just cyar understand this fall @ all, what really going on with we football.

it's not like these guys were the first team for ant and haiti, and we struggled against both them and haitiwith mostly pro league players, and the thing is we have a league, what's going on?
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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #124 on: December 09, 2012, 07:34:17 PM »
I think Molino had a bad game actually, he had numerous chances and wasted them all, including two one v ones with the keeper. Guerra's decision making/execution (even with the long range side footer) was far superior to Molino's.
Even if they missing them, I'd rather stick with the players who at least creating chances than the ones who can't make a note.

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #125 on: December 09, 2012, 07:36:53 PM »
Well, another gold cup missed out on, thank you TTFF and jack warner legacy lives on.  IMO this degicel comepetition should be played in the summer, where everyone could field their best team.
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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #126 on: December 09, 2012, 07:37:22 PM »
Good night folks. im off to get drunk.
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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #127 on: December 09, 2012, 07:45:22 PM »
ok fellas  let me say categorically  this joint head at this juncture is the most facked decision that was made , i was watching the game and to me it appears this shabazz one is the mouthpiece on the sideline , has hutson charles been reduced to second in command  what a facking shame anyways ah gone yes,

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #128 on: December 09, 2012, 08:01:16 PM »
So he will have to take the fall. Alvin staying in the background and running things for a while now and he is digging a deeper and deeper hole for us to get out of . You all need to analyze what has been going on behind the scene for a while.  We need to stop blaming the wrong people. I
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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #129 on: December 09, 2012, 08:03:48 PM »
I dont think we understand how important a gold cup is in terms of climbing the ladder

If we get knocked out this group we would be in freefall

Lets pray for a miracle.. I ent giving up till it all over... one last hurrah or its the death of Trinidad and Tobago football as we know it.... we just need something to bring us back to life

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #130 on: December 09, 2012, 08:04:23 PM »
shameful.

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #131 on: December 09, 2012, 08:07:38 PM »
For some reason we are not producing good technical players like we used to in the past.

Back in the day there was no pro league, but to get a national call up you had to be a stand out player and quality was easy to identify.

What i observed tonight which is what i usually see in Pro league games is a limited ability to be precise in the attacking third. The decision making is very poor and it seems a struggle to exhibit decent skill in executing passes and finishing.

Bouncy surfaces, and bunkered defenses are nothing new in regional tournaments. We are not able to break down teams anymore. This is where the coaching comes in. Them fellas also looked short of match fitness. A step slower than the opposition.       
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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #132 on: December 09, 2012, 08:23:31 PM »
I have purposefully chosen not to get caught up in the hype during the games. I have changed my expectations and found out I felt better when the team exceeded the expectations from the previous round. I approached this round in the same manner.

Following this game One could sense the inconsistency  and the growing pains in putting together a team haphazardly. Victory will go to those who can prevail in the long run-----2018 has to be the targeted goal.

Here we=were exceeding expectations with one coach and at a time like this, we make a change to the coaching with the hope that it would add to the chemistry  without distracting from what  was building between the players and the lone coach?

Delayed gratification!!!!!!!!! five more years to go.

If we don't start putting things in order now it will be even longer than that.
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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #133 on: December 09, 2012, 08:24:54 PM »
For some reason we are not producing good technical players like we used to in the past.

Back in the day there was no pro league, but to get a national call up you had to be a stand out player and quality was easy to identify.

What i observed tonight which is what i usually see in Pro league games is a limited ability to be precise in the attacking third. The decision making is very poor and it seems a struggle to exhibit decent skill in executing passes and finishing.

Bouncy surfaces, and bunkered defenses are nothing new in regional tournaments. We are not able to break down teams anymore. This is where the coaching comes in. Them fellas also looked short of match fitness. A step slower than the opposition.       

Go to the page where men asking who is ah better dribbler, jughead or wise and watch the pace ah that game. Men HAVE to be more technical now, than before, for many different reason. Are they?   ???   The smaller countries are investing in the game more and more. Back then we use to take thing for granted too, but the other countries weren't as serious.  Now they wiping the grin off their faces.


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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #134 on: December 09, 2012, 08:43:46 PM »
joint head coach was ah shit decision based on fren ting anton and timcuunt should get bun out ah dey house for dat shit......steups
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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #135 on: December 09, 2012, 08:50:32 PM »
Why Shabazz?
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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #136 on: December 09, 2012, 09:01:47 PM »
I find Theobald make some good passes especially towards the right wing. In fact most of the attacking play was thru him. I never got the feeling that there was any tactic or coaching on what the players should do in the final third. I think  better coach could do well with these guys.

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #137 on: December 09, 2012, 09:53:49 PM »
I shoulda know something was up when meh Antigian brethren call to invite meh to he annual New Years party..he never call this early...an hear him nah...doh bring nuttin, ah have a special plate ah food for yuh....then ah see the score, an know the menu one time


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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #138 on: December 09, 2012, 11:32:41 PM »
I cah blame TTFF they just don't know better !

who knows the last country that had 2 coaches ?? Fete match organization....unreal!

I Feel sorry for diehard fans who know ball and also knows that TT have talented ballers to dominate our region!

What a shame.. imps running we football.

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #139 on: December 10, 2012, 12:42:37 AM »
We've now lost to Bermuda, Guyana and Antigua in the last year.

LOrd!!! We have no reputatION left in the Caribbean.

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #140 on: December 10, 2012, 04:22:06 AM »
ok fellas  let me say categorically  this joint head at this juncture is the most facked decision that was made , i was watching the game and to me it appears this shabazz one is the mouthpiece on the sideline , has hutson charles been reduced to second in command  what a facking shame anyways ah gone yes,

 I dont know exactly if there is anything wrong with having two coaches...In fact Jamaica currently has Montesso and Theodore Whitmore has its two coaches for the past couple years, yes, one is head coach and the other assitant coach, but it appears to me they bith seem to be heavily involved in the coaching aspects and both are very visible and vocal on match-days. There is even a third guy involved...the Technacal director who is present at all Jamaicas games along with the goalkeeper coach, who is also very visible and vocal from the sidelines during games. Its not always about one individual...especially when that one individual is not all that experienced as in the case of Hutson Charles. "Joint Head Coach" - pretty way of putting it without disrespecting the incumbent coach Charles who is really now the assistant.

Anyway, Antigua has been a much improved team, a full strength Jamaica team went there for a world cup qualifying game earlier this year and came away with nothing, they also narrowly lost 2-1 (or something like that) to the USA. I watch the Dom Rep yesterday and saw a vastly improved team to the one that would normally lose 4-0 to the larger caribbean countries. The bigger teams in the region continues to get better marginally, while the smaller ones are improving at a faster pace...the field is more level now, and the smaller teams are more motivated to beat the bigger teams.

When last we see a 7-0 drubbing of any team in the caribbean or CONCACAF. I recall Jamaica used to go to places like Mexico and lose 6-0...Jmaica would drop 5-0 on teams like St. Kitts. Those days are NO MORE.
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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #141 on: December 10, 2012, 04:36:24 AM »
What is the standing like in the second group? How is Jamaica doing?

Jamaica lost its opening game 1-2 to French Guiana, and is rooted at the foot of the table after one game....looking to rebound tonight against  Martinique and striker Frederic Piquone (yes, that Frederic Piquone, the man who played for France a couple years ago and West Ham recently) - Top class striker that. Any of the top teams in CONCACAF would take him in a blink.

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #142 on: December 10, 2012, 08:37:37 AM »
ok fellas  let me say categorically  this joint head at this juncture is the most facked decision that was made , i was watching the game and to me it appears this shabazz one is the mouthpiece on the sideline , has hutson charles been reduced to second in command  what a facking shame anyways ah gone yes,

I dont know exactly if there is anything wrong with having two coaches...In fact Jamaica currently has Montesso and Theodore Whitmore has its two coaches for the past couple years, yes, one is head coach and the other assitant coach, but it appears to me they bith seem to be heavily involved in the coaching aspects and both are very visible and vocal on match-days. There is even a third guy involved...the Technacal director who is present at all Jamaicas games along with the goalkeeper coach, who is also very visible and vocal from the sidelines during games. Its not always about one individual...especially when that one individual is not all that experienced as in the case of Hutson Charles. "Joint Head Coach" - pretty way of putting it without disrespecting the incumbent coach Charles who is really now the assistant.

Anyway, Antigua has been a much improved team, a full strength Jamaica team went there for a world cup qualifying game earlier this year and came away with nothing, they also narrowly lost 2-1 (or something like that) to the USA.I watch the Dom Rep yesterday and saw a vastly improved team to the one that would normally lose 4-0 to the larger caribbean countries. The bigger teams in the region continues to get better marginally, while the smaller ones are improving at a faster pace...the field is more level now, and the smaller teams are more motivated to beat the bigger teams.

When last we see a 7-0 drubbing of any team in the caribbean or CONCACAF. I recall Jamaica used to go to places like Mexico and lose 6-0...Jmaica would drop 5-0 on teams like St. Kitts. Those days are NO MORE.

You're confusing 2 things. Just because JA has 2 coaches doesn't make the situations either similar or the same. There was a transition with the introduction of Montesso, there was none with Shabazz. Not to mention that Montesso's addition to the coaching staff was spurred by Tappa. I see no evidence of Hutson asking for Shabazz. Moreover, the organizational chart in JA is clear. Less so in our case. I'll leave that there.
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As for the DR comment ... we're still in the English-speaking Caribbean working on de-mystifying the non-English speaking Caribbean ... so our approach in monitoring and preparing to play non-English speaking opposition is not systematic and always treated as an unknown commodity when in actuality its not that difficult to deconstruct the non-English speaking teams "footballistically". I'm beginning to want a gig with the TTFF (or they could hire "theworm2345").
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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #143 on: December 10, 2012, 10:20:25 AM »
I guess gone are the days when we dropping 11 on Antigua

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #144 on: December 10, 2012, 10:29:26 AM »
We are going to pepper DR, we have no choice now. Tactic gna be right, we are going to just scrape through

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« Reply #145 on: December 10, 2012, 01:06:33 PM »
Doh blame Molina at all.  Peltier have ah hamstring problem..team nursing 5 injuries...but not making excuses.

Hector just had an x ray.  Mitchell have a toe injury...


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« Reply #146 on: December 10, 2012, 01:32:22 PM »
I guess gone are the days when we dropping 11 on Antigua

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« Reply #147 on: December 10, 2012, 02:19:38 PM »
Doh blame Molina at all.  Peltier have ah hamstring problem..team nursing 5 injuries...but not making excuses.

Hector just had an x ray.  Mitchell have a toe injury...


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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #148 on: December 10, 2012, 05:15:21 PM »
As for the DR comment ... we're still in the English-speaking Caribbean working on de-mystifying the non-English speaking Caribbean ... so our approach in monitoring and preparing to play non-English speaking opposition is not systematic and always treated as an unknown commodity when in actuality its not that difficult to deconstruct the non-English speaking teams "footballistically". I'm beginning to want a gig with the TTFF (or they could hire "theworm2345").


point taken. All the coaches in TT has played against the latin teams. There is no excuse for us not knowing  their style of play. I remember mentioning on the site that I am a big fan of Mexican football. Why? The play good football. Their teams can handle any EPL and LaLiga team(Barca and RM are the exceptions.  But we are stock on Euro football and can't even decipher our zone. This is crazy.

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs Antigua Game (9-Dec-2012)
« Reply #149 on: December 10, 2012, 05:38:12 PM »
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