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Observer Editorial
« on: December 11, 2012, 06:54:06 PM »
The more important issue is abuse of substance
Tuesday, December 11, 2012

MS Verna St Rose Greaves, Trinidad and Tobago's former minister of gender, youth, and child development, raised many eyebrows in the region recently with her allegation that Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar "has an issue which must be addressed frontally".

That, unfortunately, has been widely interpreted to mean substance abuse, the substance being alcohol. The upshot is that it has become common talk among Trinidadians and has been posted on YouTube undoubtedly by politically motivated detractors.

Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar has categorically denied the allegation, stating publicly that she has "no such problem" and would have "nothing further to say with respect to that".
Her attorney general, Anand Ramlogan, has come to her defence, suggesting that there is a case to answer. Whether any such action will materialise is yet to be seen. However, this type of rumour is the stuff of great calypsos in a country famous for making fun of politicians.

It is, though, an unfortunate distraction from the serious centripetal forces tearing the increasingly fragile political coalition which constitutes the Government of Trinidad and Tobago. The real problem in the energy-rich republic is not substance abuse, but the abuse of substance. By that we mean the abuse of the substance of government business because of the ethnic stocking of public offices and the widespread perception of corruption.

This year, on Transparency International's Corruption Perception Index, Trinidad and Tobago was ranked 80 out of 176 countries, down from 71 in 2011. In fact, Trinidad and Tobago scored 39 on a scale of 100, on par with Jamaica and behind the rest of the Caribbean islands.

One of the egregious aspects of corruption is what is known as "ethnic stocking" — the appointment to public office, including overseas posts, on the basis of ethnicity to ensure ethnic monopoly of political power.

Notwithstanding Minister Jack Warner, the current Government of Trinidad and Tobago has systematically practised ethnic stocking; rewarding individuals with positions even though they not qualified, either by professional training or by pertinent transferable work experience.

The instances of local appointments are too numerous to discuss, but the embarrassment associated with overseas appointees poses reputational damage. Ms Therese Baptiste-Cornelis was fired as ambassador to the United Nations, Geneva after some inappropriate remarks. There was even a case of a diplomat assigned to the Trinidad and Tobago High Commission in London being charged with conspiracy to traffic cocaine.

Many people in Trinidad and Tobago do not want to tackle ethnic stocking because persons who raise the issue are accused of being racist in a society guilty of self-delusion about racial harmony.

There needs to be a parliamentary review of appointees to local and overseas posts to ensure that they possess the necessary qualifications and years of pertinent experience, and to establish a transparent selection process free of ethnic bias.


Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/pfversion/The-more-important-issue-is-abuse-of-substance_13186702#ixzz2EnK9WPZg

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Re: Observer Editorial
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2012, 10:16:07 PM »
There was even a case of a diplomat assigned to the Trinidad and Tobago High Commission in London being charged with conspiracy to traffic cocaine.



Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/pfversion/The-more-important-issue-is-abuse-of-substance_13186702#ixzz2EnK9WPZg


When dat happen? I heard about Cocaine in diplomatic pouches...or allegations of such. When somebody who was a diplomat get charged?
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2012, 10:13:46 AM »
There was even a case of a diplomat assigned to the Trinidad and Tobago High Commission in London being charged with conspiracy to traffic cocaine.



Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/pfversion/The-more-important-issue-is-abuse-of-substance_13186702#ixzz2EnK9WPZg


When dat happen? I heard about Cocaine in diplomatic pouches...or allegations of such. When somebody who was a diplomat get charged?
That actually occurred during the PNM regime.

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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2012, 02:58:15 PM »
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Many people in Trinidad and Tobago do not want to tackle ethnic stocking because persons who raise the issue are accused of being racist in a society guilty of self-delusion about racial harmony.

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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2012, 07:47:08 PM »
There was even a case of a diplomat assigned to the Trinidad and Tobago High Commission in London being charged with conspiracy to traffic cocaine.



Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/pfversion/The-more-important-issue-is-abuse-of-substance_13186702#ixzz2EnK9WPZg


When dat happen? I heard about Cocaine in diplomatic pouches...or allegations of such. When somebody who was a diplomat get charged?
That actually occurred during the PNM regime.


Yes I remember the cocaine being found in pouches. Who was charged?
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2012, 09:55:41 PM »


APOLOGISE TO KAMLA


Originally printed at http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/APOLOGISE__TO_KAMLA-183445061.html

By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
December 13, 2012
The Jamaica Observer newspaper owes Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and the people of this country an apology.

This was the position yesterday of Government Ministers Dr Suruj Rambachan and Dr Roodal Moonilal who told the Express that the newspaper's editorial was an attack on the Government and the people of Trinidad and Tobago.

National Security Minister Jack Warner has also described the editorial as an attack on the government.

The Jamaica Observer on Tuesday published an editorial entitled "The more important issue is abuse of substance".

The editorial took note of former government minister Verna St Rose Greaves' allegation that the Prime Minister had an issue which was interpreted to be a substance abuse problem—which Persad-Bissessar refuted.

The editorial stated that the abuse of substance in the form of "ethnic stocking" was a greater problem in this country.

"The real problem in the energy-rich republic is not substance abuse, but the abuse of substance. By that we mean the abuse of the substance of government business because of the ethnic stocking of public offices and the widespread perception of corruption," stated the editorial.

"Notwithstanding Minister Jack Warner, the current Government of Trinidad and Tobago has systematically practised ethnic stocking; rewarding individuals with positions even though they (are) not qualified, either by professional training or by pertinent transferable work experience," it added.

The editorial stated that there was need for this country to conduct a parliamentary review of appointees to local and overseas posts.

This country's High Commissioner to Jamaica, Rev Dr Iva Gloudon, also issued a statement to the newspaper on Wednesday expressing disappointment and regret over the editorial.

The Express obtained a copy of Gloudon's statement which was sent to the Jamaica Observer which read:

"As the High Commissioner for Trinidad and Tobago to Jamaica, let me first respectfully say that in my experience, there are times when shouting across the Caribbean Sea does not help a cause. I must, therefore, use this opportunity to say, softly, that it is with regret and disappointment that I read the Jamaica Observer's editorial of Tuesday 11, November, 2012 "The Abuse of Substance".

"My main concern is that so much of what was said lacked, among other things, respect and an overall understanding of the complexity of Governance in the Caribbean. When logic and empirical evidence are not presented one often resorts to generalisations which can become inflammatory."

She added that after two years in Jamaica, she has experienced enough to know "that the views expressed in this editorial hardly reflect the sentiment of the Government or the people of Jamaica. Our two countries remain strategic to the ideals of Caribbean unity and integration.

"Pointing the proverbial finger at each other is not the answer. We must respect each other. We must be sensitive to each Most importantly, institutions such as yours must be used to inform, educate and examine our countries and our region in ways that, in the end, would bring about the cohesiveness that is necessary for us to make significant impact in the current and future global environment," stated Gloudon.

In an interview with the Express, Rambachan stated: "What happened is extremely unfortunate, I think a fair-minded newspaper and a fair-minded board of directors of that newspaper would seek to find the truth which is quite opposite to what they wrote and in that context I think they should apologise to the honourable Prime Minister and the people of this country."

Rambachan said, "It was very unfortunate that the newspaper has chosen to write an editorial that lacks facts and truth and goes further to attack a democratically-elected Government that has the constitutional majority."

Rambachan stressed that the Persad-Bissessar-led Government fully respects the people's right to fair and full employment.

He noted it was this Government that established the Equal Opportunity Commission, adding that the election victory in 2010 signalled that the People's Partnership was able to attract all religious persuasions and ethnicities.

"We recognise that there are elements in this country who are not in favour with this Government and on a daily basis these elements stir issues to create a psychology of instability in the country, hoping that it would stick and they are using their Caribbean contacts in order to carry out their dirty work," said Rambachan.

"Fortunately they have all failed and they will continue to fail because at the end of the day people will judge us by our quality of delivery and our fair and equitable governance," he added.

Moonilal, who is acting as Foreign Affairs Minister for Winston Dookeran who is attending a conference in Ecuador, told the Express that he endorses Rambachan's statements and the statement issued by Gloudon.

"I agree that the Jamaica Observer owes the Prime Minister and the people an apology," said Moonilal.
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Re: Observer Editorial
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2012, 10:35:08 PM »
Screw them. Apologise for editorial privilege and discretion? Long, long steups.

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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2012, 03:01:56 AM »

The Onserver link changed or something

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/editorial/The-more-important-issue-is-abuse-of-substance_13186702

They couldn't have written the article on the basis of 2 examples one of which is actually wrong.  So where are the other examples or is this just being provocative to see if they can get some more airtime out of it?

They managed to get a front page response so I would say mission accomplished.  Now maybe they will follow up with actual names and stats as I would be interested to see if this article has any substance or is venting the PNM's belief in a forum where they don't have to risk being laughed out of town given their history.

The real question is if there is a problem with appointment by political affiliation which seems to be normal practice worldwide.  If we accept that there is a racial divide in political affiliation here would it not follow the % spread of appointments would likely follow as a consequence rather than being a criteria?

The UNC demographic has not changed though the partnership I would think would have shifted the %

So if we are biting the Observer/Trinidad source bait and want to do some introspection then we should be looking at the numbers and benchmarking against what was in place when they came into office, what was there when the last UNC administration was in office, also NAR and previous PNM.

That article by itself without some kind of follow up with evidence is being very irresponsible and inflammatory attempting to preempt criticism with that nonsense about being criticized for being racist.

And what was that piece about fooling ourselves about racial harmony? Compare our 50/50 situation to other societies as it pertains to ethnic/racial tension and tell us where we rank on that! Comes across as a jab out of jealousy or maybe from the Trini source cynic.

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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2012, 05:11:34 AM »
An editorial is not a news report, it is an opinion piece and this article does not disguise that.It is not subject to the same rigour of substantive evidence. Still, the thing is they might actually be wrong. As you mentioned political affiliation by racial lines along with nepotism lends itself to the perceived discrimination or 'ethnic stocking' as they call it. Mere weeks ago David Abdullah drew direct reference to the practice at the level of cabinet in which a person was not selected for a position because he wasn't 'one of us'. The 'us' was was party member and not tribe member - the person was actually of Indian descent but was unknown to them and was thereby summarily bypassed.

They didn't invent the practice but my word they are achieving new heights in its application. The non-performance and lack of decent stewardship in the state sector is a direct result of this policy. Throughout the state boards and public sector there is a vast array of unqualified, inept and blatantly corrupt people who were installed by this government.It is shocking how bad some of them are.Political patrimony gone mad leads to institutional paralysis and failure. On this point the 'ethnic stocking' idea becomes plausible.

The matter becomes less defensible when you appoint a man with an open ethnic agenda like Devant Maharaj to your government. Even less when the PM herself chooses to practice open tribal politics at this year's Divali Nagar celebrations. These are some the 'facts' the Observer may have considered in the editorial.

The conspiracy theory behind the motive for the editorial is not impossible but simply impractical. What conceivable political gains for the PNM could be derived from an editorial in a Jamaican newspaper rather than a local one. Additionally the idea that the senior journalist who would have written the piece used a Trini cynic as a source is somewhat laughable when considering the abundance of information available online and through correspondence with a network of journalists. So the idea that there is a 'they' who managed to get a frontpage response is speculative at best. In fact it was those ministers who created the front page with their response.

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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2012, 05:31:25 AM »
That's why I said they took the bait....the ministers. I heard on the radio just now the Observer offered an apology to the government but I haven't seen anything on their website so not sure details.

Editorial or not don't you think the evidence presented is weak given what they had available to them?

Maybe local journalist counterparts are more plausible but quite a few have political affiliations.

The more people calling out the inept appointments the better but names and facts hadda be there....maybe too much to expect from a neighbour
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2012, 05:46:14 AM »

Apology just for courtesy.



Trinidad and Tobago Newsday
Jamaica Observer responds
By Clint Chan Tack Friday, December 14 2012

THE Jamaica Observer yesterday responded to statements of outrage from United National Congress (UNC) Jack Warner and the party’s youth arm for an editorial it published on December 11 entitled “the more important issue is abuse of substance. ”

In an emailed response to Newsday, Jamaica Observer’s Executive Editor (Operations) Desmond Allen said: “The Jamaica Observer has the fullest respect and admiration for the people of Trinidad and Tobago and their leaders. Any offence taken from our editorial was absolutely unintended.”

Allen’s response came after Newsday e-mailed a copy of a statement issued by Warner on Wednesday which condemned the contents of that editorial. In his statement, Warner, who is also National Security Minister, demanded that the Jamaica Observer reveal the identity of the author of the editorial if it wanted to salvage its integrity.

Allen made no reference to Warner’s demand in his response to Newsday. The UNC’s Youth Arm yesterday wrote a letter to the Jamaica Observer calling for an apology and a retraction of the editorial to which Warner raised objections.

Asked whether the Jamaica Observer had any response to this letter, Allen told Newsday: “There is no further response.”

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Re: Observer Editorial
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2012, 06:19:13 AM »
That's why I said they took the bait....the ministers. I heard on the radio just now the Observer offered an apology to the government but I haven't seen anything on their website so not sure details.

Editorial or not don't you think the evidence presented is weak given what they had available to them?

Maybe local journalist counterparts are more plausible but quite a few have political affiliations.

The more people calling out the inept appointments the better but names and facts hadda be there....maybe too much to expect from a neighbour
If you're saying the editorial could have highlighted more names, statements and decisions made then you're right. Ironically though, the response by the ministers in question somewhat vindicates the assertion that there is an aversion to public discourse in the issue.

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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2012, 09:41:30 AM »
That is not an apology. It's also not a retraction.

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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2012, 09:50:39 AM »
f**k dem the Observer eh lying.

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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2012, 04:25:34 PM »
Why is the Minister of National Security making statements as though he's the PM or Min. of Foreign Affairs?  Actually, nevermind...

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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2012, 03:17:04 PM »
Why is the Minister of National Security making statements as though he's the PM or Min. of Foreign Affairs?  Actually, nevermind...
He has also taken to defending his namesake in Tobago. He is chief defender and resident hatchetman for the party regardless of his portfolio.

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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2012, 05:04:09 PM »
chief c**t and resident asshole yuh mean

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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2012, 08:04:10 AM »
PM denies 'ethnic stocking'
Originally printed at http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PM_denies__ethnic_stocking_-183666851.html

By Susan Mohammed susan.mohammed@trinidadexpress.com   
December 15, 2012
PRIME Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar denied yesterday that the People's Partnership Government had engaged in "ethnic stocking" of public offices as alleged in an editorial last week in the Jamaica Observer newspaper.

Persad-Bissessar challenged the newspaper to prove the allegation.

She spoke to reporters after handing out presents to children in her Christmas Gift Outreach at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva. 

The Prime Minster said of the newspaper editorial: "Total foolishness in my respectful view. I have been there, done that. I have heard all the comments. I am still very strong, I intend to stay strong and keep strong."

She said the claim of ethnic stocking was a "major allegation", since there was diversity in her government.

"I would really challenge those who are of that view to prove the ethnic stocking that they speak of. I totally reject that observation from them or anyone else. I ask anyone who has eyes to see that this has been the most diverse government that this country has ever had," said Persad-Bissessar. "That is a major allegation to be made against the government, which for the first time we see the diversity in the government on the benches and out of the benches."

The editorial suggested there could be "ethnic stocking in public offices", and there was need for the country to conduct a parliamentary review of appointees to local and overseas posts. It also said that individuals were rewarded with positions even though they were not qualified.

Last week, Government Ministers Suruj Rambachan and Roodal Moonilal called on the Jamaican newspaper to issue an apology to Government.

Yesterday, the Prime Minister took issue with the newspaper editorial, published last Tuesday. 

"I don't know what may have led them to conclude that and this is why I say show us the evidence to say ethnic stocking is happening. This is a serious allegation against the Government, constitutionally elected as a majority Government of a country. If you are saying I am mismanaging then fine, but when you talk about ethnic stocking it is engendered to inflame the passions of people who may not know better or may not want to know better," said Persad-Bissessar.

The Prime Minister said it was "strange" that the editorial was published weeks away from the Tobago House of Assembly (THA) elections in January.

"The main allegation being made by the Opposition party in the THA election is that of race at this point in time. In my life I expect nothing and I expect everything," said Persad-Bissessar.

Asked for a comment on the editorial last week, secretary seneral of the Sanatan Dharma Maha Sabha Sat Maharaj said yesterday Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar was "too damn pretty".

This, he said, was what accounted for the number of attacks on her.

"Everything she wears is commented on-down to her shoes, her lifestyle, who she hangs out with. Everything around her receives comment except her performance," he told the Sunday Express. See Page 8.

—additional reporting by Asha Javeed
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2012, 10:00:45 AM »
Personally, I don't find Kamla to be a racist one bit.  She does like her libations and cigarettes, but anyone would be hard pressed to find evidence suggesting that she is a racist.


That said she surrounded by racist assholes who hell bent on creating racial discord and disharmony.

If the UNC wins a seat in the East West corridor again...T&T deserves to sink into the Atlantic

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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2012, 11:42:58 AM »
... and what if one's acquiescence promotes racism? Hard to distinguish the ultimate effect.

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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2012, 11:45:11 AM »
... and what if one's acquiescence promotes racism? Hard to distinguish the ultimate effect.

assuming one knows she is acquiescing.

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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2012, 12:00:26 PM »
... and what if one's acquiescence promotes racism? Hard to distinguish the ultimate effect.

assuming one knows she is acquiescing.

As in she lacks an appreciation of the effect? Let me suggest that by any definition of diversity her pronouncement of being the most diverse gov't fails (I'm also not sure in Trinidad & Tobago we want to go down such a path; what next? proportionality?... moreover, referencing being a democratically elected government is a non-starter argument. The issue here is not about their legitimacy as a government. The issue concerns the flawed and disingenuous policies that the PM has defended under the umbrella of her unquestionable legitimacy as Head of Government. The PM may not be a stateswoman, and she may occasionally imbibe spiritous liquors (I don't know that that matters) but she's not deaf to the fierce advocates of policies and perspectives that promote a platform for institutionalised racism. Also, this persistent concern has NEVER been quelled by any conduct on that side of the political aisle ... and it can't be because a centripetal force in the party's raison d' être holds race as an organising principle.
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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2012, 01:17:47 PM »
Personally, I don't find Kamla to be a racist one bit.  She does like her libations and cigarettes, but anyone would be hard pressed to find evidence suggesting that she is a racist.


That said she surrounded by racist assholes who hell bent on creating racial discord and disharmony.

If the UNC wins a seat in the East West corridor again...T&T deserves to sink into the Atlantic
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/hKvjkAFTRwA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/hKvjkAFTRwA</a>

She lost some points here though.

What I was watching was the response. She's all over the place with this statement. It's neither measured nor very coherent. The overall response by the government was worse than the actual editorial.

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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2012, 03:34:56 PM »
Personally, I don't find Kamla to be a racist one bit.  She does like her libations and cigarettes, but anyone would be hard pressed to find evidence suggesting that she is a racist.


That said she surrounded by racist assholes who hell bent on creating racial discord and disharmony.

If the UNC wins a seat in the East West corridor again...T&T deserves to sink into the Atlantic

No one has accused her of being racist... just that she promoting (either actively or passively) an agenda that favors her constituency, which is largely Indo-Trini.

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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2012, 03:40:53 PM »
... and what if one's acquiescence promotes racism? Hard to distinguish the ultimate effect.

assuming one knows she is acquiescing.

If there's anybody who don't recognize the acquiescence to (if not promotion of) the agenda, then it must be Kamla herself.  God knows she's deluded enough to not realize it, but even I doh think she dat dotish.

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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2012, 10:57:19 AM »
Who is Jamaica?
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Wednesday, December 19, 2012
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An indispensable preamble to the Jamaica Observer’s December 11 “ethnic stocking” editorial is an op-ed by Jamaican (UWI) academic, Prof Carolyn Cooper, in the NY Times on August 5.
 
Titled “Who is Jamaica,” it addressed the island’s independence, starting with its national motto: “Out of many, one people,” which,  Cooper opined, “marginalises the nation’s black majority by asserting that the idealised face of the Jamaican nation is multiracial. In actuality, only about seven per cent of the population is mixed-race; three per cent is European, Chinese or East Indian, and 90 per cent is of African origin.”
 
And since “the roots of our distinctive music, religion, politics, philosophy, science, literature and language are African,” the imperative of (Afro) Jamaicans is “rejecting the homogenising myth of multicultural assimilation.”
 
Prof Cooper’s context is Jamaica’s insane brown-white hegemony, but the logic is familiar and once you’ve gone to UWI and read books by UWI academics, you know it’s not restricted to Jamaica.  Otherwise, this is garden variety US Afrocentrism, and it is not logic the Times ordinarily endorses.
 
 
What if this reasoning were applied in the pre-civil rights US, with a population that was 90 per cent white and 10 per cent black? No President Obama, for one thing. (See Charles M Blow’s Times op-ed of December 12.)  But its publication leaves us to assume it constitutes acceptable positions in Jamaica on ethnicity and entitlement, and in the metropole of the Jamaica/the Caribbean’s character. (Prof Cooper is also a Jamaica Gleaner columnist.)
 
 With this attitude and logic as premise, it’s clear what the Observer editorial objected to was “too much Indian.” I’ll bypass the obvious, like suggesting to the Observer: “Why you ent study your own damn business, like skin bleach and the 60 per cent of Jamaicans who want the Queen back?”   
 
And I’ll recall we’ve heard this before. Post-1996, once the UNC got in, various commentators noticed with alarm that Indians were everywhere: in UWI, in business, in Government, on state boards—too many of them. Said commentators expressed their surprise in violently ignorant ways, which were enabled by the media because of free speech. Similarly, the Jamaican equivalent of MATT has opined that the “stocking” thing is a free speech issue.
 
So the opinion and its justification are unremarkable. What’s remarkable is that if the editorial illustrates a regional attitude, as I believe, it’s official: there’s no difference between ethnic fascism and cultural criticism; and racial ignorance and free speech are the same.
 
 
And if distinctions do exist, many people who should know better seem eminently comfortable with both.  How did this happen? Two reasons: First, UWI. Second, the politics of the Caribbean in the metropolitan academe.
 
In UWI, US Afrocentric nonsense thrives. Prof Cooper is UWI’s preeminent scholar of Jamaican (and “Caribbean”) culture, and from my experience, her position is UWI orthodoxy. Cultural studies at St Augustine is understood as an ethnic (Afrocentric) pursuit, despite the fact that elementary knowledge of the subject refutes this.
 
 
The same could be said of art, history, creative writing, even the social sciences. A consequence of this episteme is the diffusion of the Afrocentric consensus throughout the region, which, inter alia, imparts the confidence that an opinion like the Observer’s is not racial ignorance. But its hypocrisy is evident since the inverse doesn’t hold: to notice Afrocentric “stocking” is “racist.”
 
Second reason: The Caribbean as knowledge abroad. Ostensibly in the service of “tourist” concerns, there’s an ardently promoted fantasy that the Caribbean is Carnival (an African festival) and that the first world tourist “loves” Carnival.
 
A consequence of that fantasy is that the metropolitan observer views the Caribbean as a primitivist diversion, its people unworthy of serious attention. And the tourist’s “affection” is uncertain. An article in the NY Times on December 5, 2011 reported NY City cops, assigned to the Parkway parade (via Facebook posts), calling revellers “animals” and “savages,” echoing apparently widespread opinions on NY’s Caribbean Carnival.
 
This way of knowing the Caribbean became established through many Caribbean academics and émigrés who found themselves in metropolitan universities over the last generation. Many subsumed themselves in the general ethnic politics of the US and Canadian academe.
 
The institutional praxis is that the establishment allows ethnocentric splinter disciplines (like Caribbean Studies) to exist as proof of their commitment to “diversity,” or whatever, but considers them unimportant.  Some scholars are thus allowed to pursue outlandish agendas, and sometimes not held to normal academic standards.
 
 
This is a generalisation; significant exceptions exist. But it’s true enough to generalise and say that, thanks to these academics, Caribbean history and society have become an appendix of African American history, another theatre of slavery and black oppression, erasing all other histories.
 
 Thus the general sense of enraged ethnic entitlement and oppression of US Afrocentrism (embodied in people like Louis Farrakhan) define the metropolitan perception of the Caribbean. It then returns to the Caribbean, pervades the public sphere and UWI curricula with the imprimatur of the first world academe. Ergo, ejaculations like the Jamaica Observer editorial.
 
Very neat, but there’s a catch: Outside the specific social historical matrix of the US, exonerating “ethnic stocking” in one breath, and in the other, being hyper-vigilant in identifying, and violent in responding to, any insult, real or imagined, to all things African, is, by definition, racist. (See the comments on the Guardian website to my Carnival articles and Who Invited Farrakhan?)
 
Afrocentric hate-speech might get a pass in the US because the establishment uses it as proof of its liberality, and it does no real harm. But here, it’s dangerous, offensive ole mas, costuming self-inflicted debility and self-loathing as moral entitlement. Time to end the ole mas, and hold Afrocentrism to grown-up standards.
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Re: Observer Editorial
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2012, 01:37:04 PM »
In other words, time for niggers to contribute meaningfully.

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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2012, 05:19:13 PM »
I agree with a bit of what Ramcharitar says here. I was always confused by Jamaica's motto given their ethnic composition. I feel vindicated that as referenced in the piece done by Prof. Cooper (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/opinion/who-is-jamaica.html?_r=0) some Jamaicans are as well.

I'm also as wary about ethnocentrism as Ramcharitar is about Afrocentrism. So much that I can actually understand why he’d be concerned. The long standing issue of overlapping national and regional identity is further complicated when you inject the ethnic component. It is irrefutable that as Cooper says the roots of their music, religion, politics, philosophy, science, literature and language are African. In fact the same can be said for all of what we call the West Indies save Belize, Guyana and Trinidad where that is only partially true.  In T&T it is increasingly contentious to even acknowledge achievements of any group historical or current because it seemingly denigrates the policy of ‘unity in diversity’ as the PM calls it.

He attempts to conflate Cooper’s depiction of an African Jamaica with an African Caribbean using UWI as the conduit. He posits that one should use his mischaracterization of Cooper’s piece as the lens to view the comments made in the Observer editorial so that one could see the dangerous ethnic agenda that informed it. This is conjecture at best where two articles, two authors, two distinct set of issues are dubiously unified by the coincidence of country of origin. Strangely he didn’t address either article reasonably to the extent that both in my view have come out factually unscathed by his contribution. That is not to say that they’re beyond scrutiny but he loss points when he start to label things as hate speech and racial ignorance. What he calls ‘hate-speech’ is very much hyperbolic if you actually read Cooper’s article which is very much centered on Jamaica and never attempted to extrapolate that reality beyond that space.

Like Ramcharitar I have distrust for ethnocentric studies and for some of the same reasons. The issues of hidden agendas and lowered academic rigour are compounded by the fact that in my view these disciplines have no productive value outside of their own perpetuation. Ironically Ramcharitar fails uphold these standards in this desperately pseudointellectual piece.  Not once did he establish any such agenda with evidence or refute the historical claims made by Cooper. Neither did he disprove that ethnic stocking as defined by the Observer Editorial exists. I have no idea what he was trying to achieve by demonizing carnival culture either.

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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2012, 06:29:01 PM »

He has a different agenda and I don't think is concerned about whether there is any kind of "stocking" (political, ethnic or otherwise).  He saw an opportunity to win points on what seems to be an ongoing public debate he is pushing on our evolving mindset toward our history and diversity.  Nothing wrong with that but I agree it doesn't provide anything of substance on this specific case about whether the current administration's hiring policies are uniquely flawed and leading to both imbalance and inefficiency.

I don't know if as a society we have any real objection with politically motivated hires unless they hopelessly inept.
One would expect it may lead to some demographic shift based on the strong correlation of race and party affiliation but are they going further with some agenda beyond other political parties?  I could see a case for it if someone will list out the long line of failures who were appointed and might be a lot to ask but do some digging to give some context where we could decipher how the hell they got the job and if there were obvious departures from state hiring policies.....I've seen some of this already with the SIA chick.

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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2012, 08:11:04 PM »
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A consequence of that fantasy is that the metropolitan observer views the Caribbean as a primitivist diversion, its people unworthy of serious attention. And the tourist’s “affection” is uncertain. An article in the NY Times on December 5, 2011 reported NY City cops, assigned to the Parkway parade (via Facebook posts), calling revellers “animals” and “savages,” echoing apparently widespread opinions on NY’s Caribbean Carnival.

That right there is bullshit... the comments by racist cops in NY have very little to do with how the Caribbean markets itself and the author only shows his ignorance of NYPD dynamics in referencing it here in the article.

 

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