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Re: Better to Lose now
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2012, 08:08:58 PM »
Trini my apologies bro . Great points you have there but it real hard to read.

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Re: Better to Lose now
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2012, 11:32:45 PM »
been quietly following the Cup, all the rounds since early this year, this may be my first post since the debacle of Guyana, but I reading a lot of the banter that going on here on the forum, and wanted to throw in my 2 cents for whats it worth...

1) Let us not forget, first and foremost, football like most sports, is all about matchups. Because of the similar physiographic qualities of most of the caribbean islands, especially the west indian islands, players are very very similar in physique and mentality on how the game is played from early ages. Because of this, when teams meet up, the battles are usually very keenly fought and very competitive. Let us not forget even in the strike squad days, our supposed dream team of all time struggled to beat the same caribbean teams and barely beat grenada in the finals.. Thats just how is it. Let us not forget that jamaica get knock out WCQ from Barbados some time ago! barbados of all people. So to see Jamaica struggle now in this competition, just like T&T last time around, this does not shock me. It has always been like this.
The thing that separates good jamaican and Trinidad teams is when foreign based players come back and combined with a good quality coach to help the tactical aspect,  this adds a level of sophistication and experience to the game that takes it beyond a physical battle between 2 caribbean nations. thats when you get your 5-0 victories. but any local based team will never have a divine right to walk through this competition and win it easily. Add to this our football is in the pits these days, on and off the field, and we have a local based team, this is a minor miracle that we playing in the final.
 Kudos must be given to the staff and players, no matter the result tomorrow. Losing to Cuba or Martinique is no embarassment, even our great players in the past have experienced this. last time I watched Cuba play Trinidad in POS in this same competition it was like watching Barcelona play Arsenal, they were a class above us in their passing, movement, pace and sophistication. I doubt it will be much different tomorrow.

2) All this talk about sticking local just for that sake is balls. There is one undeniable thruth - our best players will always be the ones that get foreign contracts. Simple as that. U could cut and dice it however u want, it boils back down to that. Now in saying that, the coach main responsibility is coming up with the best TEAM. In theory, this is determined by the total pool of players available, the philosophy of the coach and also the opponent.
Take Kenwyne Jones for eg - he is a quality player. No doubts about it, but based on the system that the Trinidad coach use, and the qualities of the rest of the players, his style is usually not that effective for the national team. We should all know this, because we all know about Dwight Yorke man utd vs Soca Warriors. We should never give up on our foreign players, if even only to bring experience... But the blend is important, and that should be the first criteria in selecting a coach.
As much as I love hutson Charles and Shabbaz as locals, if we really serious about taking our football to the next level, we need a quality coach. these guys can learn under him and sharpen their skills. The modern game is very technical and has many many aspects that only a quality coach can bring quality contributions. Also the added fact that we still seem to have an imperial insecurity, having a white old coach is different to having a middle aged hutson Charles calling the shots in terms of player respect. But thats a whole different topic for discussion.

3) All this talk about heart and fight. I agree its a critical thing to have, but I think we overestimate the impact this has on internaional games. Just having players with  heart and fight might give u a proud team and a hard battling team, but as the quality of opponents increases, the effect of emotional bravado decreases exponentially.
You could go azteca with all the heart and fight in the world, if your players are not well prepared, you will get destroyed and embarassed. You can lose a game but show heart and fight.
I am 100% sure, no player for T&T ever goes on the field and plans to take it easy and go through the motions. I agree, our mentality is not as intense as the latin americans or even jamaica and that could be construed as lacking passion, but then again, if trinidad playing football and the average man in trinidad dont even know we playing, or who we playing, how we expect our players to be any different. They are just 11 citizens and supporters who just happen to play for us...Bottom line, all this talk about Trinidad not playing with heart, go easy on them. Put a man out on the foeld and run and chase a ball in the hot sun non stop and get kick down over and over again nah, you will see how long heart and passion will last..

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Think of the 2022 conversation regarding reparations as the item tabled for future discussion when initially raised for negotiation during talks in 1834. A lot of intere$t has accrued.

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Re: Better to Lose now
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2012, 12:01:44 AM »
Allyuh feel Leo was a brilliant tactician or a great man manager???

I feel the latter.

Wim was a f**king shit hound and a goat..he had no respect for anyone or anything local and looked down upon trinis as peoons and hardly civilized..that c**t.

Watch how he go get fired wey he is in Africa soon.

Give me Maturana over he anyday

He left Indonesia? Anyway, Indonesia was a Dutch colony for about 150 years so he probably felt right at home as a colonial master.  :devil:

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(In the wake of what happened to Diego Mendieta dying while being unpaid ... and other rampant madness, FIFA has given Indonesia 3 months to get things right ... or not Wim outta wuk for a while ... unless yuh right and he already take his dark coconut arts to Africa.)
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Think of the 2022 conversation regarding reparations as the item tabled for future discussion when initially raised for negotiation during talks in 1834. A lot of intere$t has accrued.

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Re: Better to Lose now
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2012, 02:35:13 PM »
MAN  you does talk so much shit sometimes I does wonder if you made of the stuff.

You feel NOT being in World Cup qualifiers better than being in it.

You feel failure to advance to the Gold Cup is more productive than qualifying for that Competition.

Why the f**k we playing football then? 

And what false sense the Administration could be feeling?  When last have we made it to the Gold Cup?   

When last have we been the best in the Caribbean?   Jamaica has that distinction for the past 12 years or maybe more.

Get a grip. 

When yuh feeling to exude ta-ta...go in the toilet...doh smear it all over people Computer monitors.
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Re: Better to Lose now
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2012, 02:37:48 PM »
KND2, let me ask you this.

Yuh ever give ah snowman ah blowjob ?

Because is one setta cold shit yuh taking here.


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