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Beenhakker says T&T football on the move.
« on: July 23, 2013, 02:01:46 AM »
Beenhakker says T&T football on the move.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Football Association director Leo Beenhakker returned to Port-of-Spain on Sunday with the national contingent and is expected to hold meetings with local football personnel this week as he prepares to assist with the development of the local game.

The Dutch mastermind who guided T&T to the 2006 World Cup in Germany, spent the past few weeks with T&T head coach Stephen Hart and the squad in the United States during the Concacaf Gold Cup. Beenhakker said he was partly satisfied with the progress made but there was room for development and improvement.

“I have to say it was difficult at the start but you can see in general they were growing in the tournament but they were doing better and better,” Beenhakker said.

Beenhakker, a past technical director with Dutch giants AFC Ajax, will continue to hold meetings with TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee, general secretary Sheldon Phillips as well as other technical personnel including technical director Anton Corneal among others.

“The main thing is what we, the responsible people of the football of T&T, the management and coaches, are doing with them (players). Football is on the move. If you compare it with the last ten years you can see every year is much quicker with less time. If you want to play a certain role in international football then you have to develop the younger players in that way.

The former Real Madrid and Holland boss said the promising and improved showing of the National Team at the Gold Cup was essential in the way forward.

“It’s very important because that the whole nation gets back the confidence and the face of the national team . They deserve it because they are representing your beautiful country. We have to look for international success.

The only way to get that to go back to the training pitch almost everyday, prepare yourself, not only in technical way but also in mental and physical preparation and I assure you the talent is there but we have to work a lot more especially with the younger generation and the ultimate goal again is to be present in the World Cup 2018.”

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Re: Beenhakker says T&T football on the move.
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2013, 08:19:06 AM »
in bennie man still there in 6 months I will be shocked.

if he spend more than 1 month on TnT soil over the next 6 months I will be shocked.

lets see if tim kee is taking a different approach

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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2013, 08:49:24 AM »
Now having Mr Beenhakker on board as de man in charge of football is not a bad idea however we as a people should dictate our own vision of the philosophy our football.
Mr Hart shares the vision of our football future because he is a capable son of the soil and knows that we want to play attacking football.
Because I took coaching courses I appreciated what Beenhakker was doing back in 06 because it was textbook  we played well organized and the opponent had a hard time beating us but as time passed and football changed I have come to realize that our old way was better, we always played attacking football.
I see the trend continued since the world cup in Trinidad football i.e clubs, school, and National youth..this dependence on a system i.e 4-4-2, 4-5-1,5-4-1, 6-3-1,9-0-1,...the real  coaches in Trinidad were telling me that systems killing the football and I was thinking tactically myself and felt that the players would only benefit from structured football.
I would like to see us focus on a future where defenders are better individually to play in a 3 back system. Defenders should be fit enough to go forward.
I would like to see us play with 3 forwards ...the wingers have enough fitness and 1v1 capabilities to fight on defence as well.
I would like to see defensive midfield not only highly technical but tactically aware  and brutal in their 1v1 duels on the ground and in the air.
The creativity can be a shared responsibility by all players ..if we have a maestro ..all de better..but we don't have to have one because a Latapy may come along once in a lifetime.
If this man's recommendation is to perfect the art of conservative, organized football, I am not so sure this would be good for our future.

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Re: Beenhakker says T&T football on the move.
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2013, 09:54:57 AM »
Now having Mr Beenhakker on board as de man in charge of football is not a bad idea however we as a people should dictate our own vision of the philosophy our football.
Mr Hart shares the vision of our football future because he is a capable son of the soil and knows that we want to play attacking football.
Because I took coaching courses I appreciated what Beenhakker was doing back in 06 because it was textbook  we played well organized and the opponent had a hard time beating us but as time passed and football changed I have come to realize that our old way was better, we always played attacking football.
I see the trend continued since the world cup in Trinidad football i.e clubs, school, and National youth..this dependence on a system i.e 4-4-2, 4-5-1,5-4-1, 6-3-1,9-0-1,...the real  coaches in Trinidad were telling me that systems killing the football and I was thinking tactically myself and felt that the players would only benefit from structured football.
I would like to see us focus on a future where defenders are better individually to play in a 3 back system. Defenders should be fit enough to go forward.
I would like to see us play with 3 forwards ...the wingers have enough fitness and 1v1 capabilities to fight on defence as well.
I would like to see defensive midfield not only highly technical but tactically aware  and brutal in their 1v1 duels on the ground and in the air.
The creativity can be a shared responsibility by all players ..if we have a maestro ..all de better..but we don't have to have one because a Latapy may come along once in a lifetime.
If this man's recommendation is to perfect the art of conservative, organized football, I am not so sure this would be good for our future.

I agree with most of what you said up there, Coache.  Although I believe that Beenhaker's input is quite important in many aspects, especially as it relates to discipline in training and in executing a game-plan, I also believe that we cannot afford to lose our natural ability and stymie our natural instinct for the game.  Our natural instinct of course being attacking and creativity. 

We could basically also have a team full of lesser 'maestros', instead of awaiting the 2nd coming of Latapy.  Anyway, obviously there's much more to it than that, but I'm just being simplistic to  be brief.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2013, 12:36:32 PM »
Well if de man can bring that which you spoke about to facilitate that which we want i.e to play attacking football ..then his stay is welcome.

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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2013, 01:27:34 PM »
We players needs more development in order to start being more competitive on the international stage, with better organization together with the natural talant we have at our fingertips, we can go places...but people we have to be a bit realistic here most of our so call national players have a very hard time breaking into any major leagues in europe...

The question now is why is that, we have so much naturally talant, speed, the skills, we strong and tall yet still most of our players hardly getting first team games, something have to be done our old system, i see some people calling it our style of play, i want to know what is T&T style of play???

At the moment we not getting anywhere and if we don't develop better programs it might be every 200 years or so might get a latas or a yorke...i just believe we have to look at developing players ready for international duty.

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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2013, 01:39:13 PM »
We players needs more development in order to start being more competitive on the international stage, with better organization together with the natural talant we have at our fingertips, we can go places...but people we have to be a bit realistic here most of our so call national players have a very hard time breaking into any major leagues in europe...

The question now is why is that, we have so much naturally talant, speed, the skills, we strong and tall yet still most of our players hardly getting first team games, something have to be done our old system, i see some people calling it our style of play, i want to know what is T&T style of play???

At the moment we not getting anywhere and if we don't develop better programs it might be every 200 years or so might get a latas or a yorke...i just believe we have to look at developing players ready for international duty.

Well my take on this is that our style of play for the past 10 years (before the new SH regime), was not really our style of play.  Our real style of play was a sort-of exciting brand of creative attacking football with flair...something that we haven't seen in over a decade.  Since around 2002 (IMO) it's been a slow almost boring conservative style.  I would like to see more of a balance, where we play that up-tempo attacking game we were known for, but indeed with the good defensive discipline.

At least that's my $.02   :beermug:     
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2013, 03:50:32 PM »
What style of play Trinidad and Tobago have ? , NONE what we had was very talented players who made things happen and certain coaches put enough structure around it for it to work. We do not have that same talent anymore , so it is more important than ever to have the disciple that is being pushed now. People need to really get over themselves and be realistic about where we are and allow a foundation to be built and stop fighting down every little aspect of what is trying to be done.
 Because all things that last is built with hard work and takes time. Pretty bricks fall down with light winds when on a poor foundation as the Jack Warner era has shown. Let everyone involved with this new process do their work and atleast get things going before we start buying furniture and big screen TV. Remember people learn from who have the knowledge, grow with who is on the way up and respect the opportunities afforded.

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Re: Beenhakker says T&T football on the move.
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2013, 06:28:43 PM »
Beenhakker's prospective - Football's on the move.
By Shaun Fuentes (TTFA).


Trinidad and Tobago Football Association Director of Football Leo Beenhakker arrived back in Port of Spain on Sunday night with the rest of the National team contingent and is expected to hold meetings with local football personnel this week as he sets about on assisting with the development of the local game.

The Dutch mastermind who guided Trinidad and Tobago to the 2006 World Cup in Germany, spent the past few weeks with T&T head coach Stephen Hart and the squad in the United States during the Concacaf Gold Cup. Beenhakker said he was partly satisfied with the progress made by the senior team but there is obvious room for further development and improvements.

“I have to say it was difficult at the start but you can see in general they were growing in the tournament but they were doing better and better,” Beenhakker told TTFA Media.

“It’s more or less the same history, especially with the younger guys and I had the same experience in 2005/2006. Younger guys like Joevin Jones and Kevin Molino and others in this category, you can see they all have a lot of talent but they make still too many mistakes and I think they can be much better. They have the quality and potential so I am very interested in returning to Trinidad in that way and having a bit more knowledge of how they work with these  young guys. Everywhere in the world , the talent is there, of course you are a smaller country but the quality is there . In general they can do much better,” Beenhakker stated.

Beenhakker, a past technical director with Dutch giants AFC Ajax, will continue to hold meetings with TTFA President Raymond Tim Kee, General Secretary Sheldon Phillips as well as other technical personnel including Technical Director Anton Corneal among others.

“The main thing is what we, the responsible people of the football of T&T, the management and coaches, are doing with them (players). Football is on the move. If you compare it with the last ten years you can see every year is much quicker with less time. If you want to play a certain role in international football then you have to develop the younger players in that way.

“I am always looking for a situation in tennis for instance, they have statistics where you see the unforced errors and forced errors. In forced errors you have to give the credits to the opponent. But also in the football way, you have unforced errors in controlling the ball, in passing the ball, in taking up the good position. In general they all can play football but football more than ever in actual time a team effort. It has to have a balance, the left hand has to know what the right had has to do and in the opposite way. I think we can do things a lot better in that way.”

The former Real Madrid and Holland boss said the promising and improved showing of the National Team at the Gold Cup was essential in the way forward for football in this country.

“It’s very important because that the whole nation gets back the confidence and the face of the national team. They deserve it because they are representing  your beautiful country. We have to look for international success. The only way to get that to go back to the training pitch almost everyday, prepare yourself, not only in technical way but also in mental and physical preparation and I assure you the talent is there but we have to work a lot more especially with the younger generation and the ultimate goal again is to be present in the World Cup 2018.”

Beenhakker stressed that the qualification campaign for Russia 2018 is not as far away as some may feel.

“I’m sure some of the people think well that’s five years and it’s a long time but in life five years is a long time but in football five years is  nothing.  So if you want to have this goal of going to the World Cup then you have to start now with the development of youth teams to bring them to a higher level,” he concluded.

In a long and illustrious managerial career, Beenhakker was coach of Feyenoord, Ajax, Real Zaragoza, Real Madrid CF, Grasshopper-Club, Istanbulspor AS, and SBV Vitesse as well as América and fellow Mexican side CD Guadalajara. He was also coach of the Dutch national side in 1985, 1986 and 1990 and took charge of the Saudi Arabian national side between 1993 and 1994 and T&T in 2005/2006.

“We give credit to the veteran coach for his work at the Amsterdam Arena. Ajax are well organised now and that is why we regret Beenhakker's early departure, because he played a major role in the reconstruction of Ajax," said general manager Arie van Eijden at the time of Beenhakker’s departure from the club in 2003.
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Re: Beenhakker says T&T football on the move.
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2013, 08:01:12 PM »
What style of play Trinidad and Tobago have ? , NONE what we had was very talented players who made things happen and certain coaches put enough structure around it for it to work. We do not have that same talent anymore , so it is more important than ever to have the disciple that is being pushed now. People need to really get over themselves and be realistic about where we are and allow a foundation to be built and stop fighting down every little aspect of what is trying to be done.
 Because all things that last is built with hard work and takes time. Pretty bricks fall down with light winds when on a poor foundation as the Jack Warner era has shown. Let everyone involved with this new process do their work and atleast get things going before we start buying furniture and big screen TV. Remember people learn from who have the knowledge, grow with who is on the way up and respect the opportunities afforded.

Very well said man, it's not a popular position but this is the reality...the game has evolved and what we are doing in Trini has not...

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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2013, 08:20:47 PM »
What style of play Trinidad and Tobago have ? , NONE what we had was very talented players who made things happen and certain coaches put enough structure around it for it to work. We do not have that same talent anymore , so it is more important than ever to have the disciple that is being pushed now. People need to really get over themselves and be realistic about where we are and allow a foundation to be built and stop fighting down every little aspect of what is trying to be done.
 Because all things that last is built with hard work and takes time. Pretty bricks fall down with light winds when on a poor foundation as the Jack Warner era has shown. Let everyone involved with this new process do their work and atleast get things going before we start buying furniture and big screen TV. Remember people learn from who have the knowledge, grow with who is on the way up and respect the opportunities afforded.

Very well said man, it's not a popular position but this is the reality...the game has evolved and what we are doing in Trini has not...

Steups, We had kaisoca soccer with a massive zone.

Now we playing Island Pop football.
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2013, 08:59:30 PM »
Well the powers that be have already made the decision that Mr Beenhakker is the Football Tsar in Trinidad...my question is do we want him to determine what's best for us like he has been doing or do we want to dictate to him what we want for ourselves and let him facilitate that?

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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2013, 09:47:51 PM »
Well the powers that be have already made the decision that Mr Beenhakker is the Football Tsar in Trinidad...my question is do we want him to determine what's best for us like he has been doing or do we want to dictate to him what we want for ourselves and let him facilitate that?
and what it is we want..............really what? dis little brazil delusion we living in have to stop ...we jus doh have dat natural talent anymore and even with that our competitiveness was still marginal beyond CFU..............we used to twiss up dem american spine and still loose, same wit canada and d ress............why not start with buildin teams dat could jus get d job done, it mightn't be pretty, but d job gets done...........

Spain didn' become spain overnight..........and d dynamics of Brazilian life and culture is why Brazil will always be Brazil...............kids in trini on d other hand... most have abandoned d ball in favour keyboards and game pads............d point is this house have to rebuild with  what we have and we need to start slow....and be reasonable with d expectations, Dominican Rep and Panama ent where dey is now by building dey roof first dey start from d ground and went up.....but look whey dey reach with patience and planning.

Right now I want ah team dat could go out and f**kin win..........and if we loose or draw lehwe atleast look competitive...........I couldn't give two flyin f**k and ah cyat's ass 'bout rolly-poley, spanners and flair when we two and three goals down in ah game
I pity the fool....

 

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