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« on: August 13, 2013, 01:52:55 AM »
$25M TAX FRAUD
By Jada Loutoo
Tuesday, August 13 2013


click on pic to zoom inAn American owner of Island Club Casino has been charged by United States authorities with failing to pay taxes on nearly US$4 million (TT$25 million) in earnings from the casino based at Grand Bazaar, Valsayn, in Trinidad.

David Migliore, a national of the United States, appeared in federal court in New Jersey yesterday, charged with failing to pay the US Government taxes on more than US$3.9 million in income for 2009, 2010 and 2011.

He made an initial court appearance before US Magistrate Judge Mark Falk in a US District Court in Newark, wearing shackles over a gray suit and white open-collar shirt yesterday afternoon and did not enter a plea, according to an Associated Press report. Migliore was released on US$1 million bond secured by two properties and ordered to submit to electronic monitoring. He has another court appearance scheduled for next week.

Migliore’s attorney Robert Weir said Migliore owned Island Club Casino for about ten years until recently but spent most of his time in New Jersey and hasn’t been to Trinidad in years.

Weir also disclosed Migliore was scheduled to be served with an arrest warrant today for a drug possession charge in Wall Township.

US attorney Paul J Fishman said Migliore is accused of tax evasion and failing to file federal personal tax returns on income derived from his ownership of the casino in Trinidad, resulting in a US$1 million tax loss to the United States.

Newsday attempted to get information from Island Club Casino yesterday and was told by a man with a Mediterranean accent he did not want to speak of Migliore’s court appearance.

“Do not call me,” the person said.

A source confirmed to Newsday that Migliore owned Island Club Casino which was said to be 15 years old and one of the busiest casinos in Trinidad. The source also said the Grand-Bazaar based casino was “very large and well organised.” Sherry Persad, president of the Trinidad and Tobago Casinos and Members Club Association, said Island Club Casino was a member of the association and while she was aware of Migliore’s connection with the casino, she never met the 50-year-old Monmouth County businessman.

Persad admitted she was concerned about the reports that Migliore was charged with failing to pay taxes in the US, but noted that she was not aware of the charges against him.

“Of course we are concerned. We, our members, try to do the right thing always and conduct our business transparently,” she told Newsday.

The Association’s members, she noted, were all registered with the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) and ensured that they met with the unit’s regulations and requirements.

Earlier this month, Migliore was charged with three counts of tax evasion and three counts of willfully failing to file personal tax returns.

He was said to have surrendered to special agents of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS)-Criminal Investigation.

According to the indictment, which was unsealed yesterday, from 2009 to 2011, Migliore earned significant income from Island Club Casino, resulting in taxes due totalling more than US$1 million. He’s accused of taking a series of steps to hide his income and assets from the IRS.

According to the indictment, Migliore allegedly:

• Used unreported bank accounts in Trinidad to deposit personal income.

• Used US bank accounts in the names of his limited liability corporations and business entities to get personal income from Island Club casino in Trinidad.

• Used limited liability corporations and business entities to pay for personal expenses in New Jersey and elsewhere.

• Placed personal property in the names of limited liability corporations and business entities.

• Directed income from Island Club Casino in Trinidad to be transferred directly to vendors in the United States to pay for his personal expenses.

• Directed employees of Island Club Casino to send his income from the casino to individuals in New Jersey via Western Union for his benefit.

• Directed individuals to pick up cash, which was income attributed to him, from Western Union offices in New Jersey.

According to the indictment, Migliore owned several limited liability corporations in New Jersey, including Brielle Investment LLC, Brielle Investments and Management Company LLC and La Soufriere Maritime Inc. He also owned Island Club Casino and had authority over foreign bank accounts in Trinidad.

The document also noted that from 2009 to 2011, Migliore earned significant income from Island Club Casino, resulting in taxes due totalling more than US$1 million.

His unreported earnings for the years cited in the indictment were US$299,936 (2009); US$796,967; and US$2,819,739.

If he’s found guilty, Migliore faces jail time as well as fines. Each tax evasion count comes with a maximum potential penalty of five years in prison and a US$250,000 fine. Each count of failing to file tax returns is punishable by a maximum potential penalty of one year in prison and a US$100,000 fine.

The US government was represented in court by Assistant US Attorney Zahid N Quraishi of the US Attorney’s Office Special Prosecutions Division in Newark, while Robert Weir was listed as Migliore’s defence counsel. Calls to Island Club Casino manager Abbas Khaladi were futile as Newsday was told he was not there and no one at the club was able to speak on the issue.

Dominic Hinds, communications specialist at the Ministry of Finance, which oversees the casino industry, also said they were unaware of the allegations against Migliore. Finance Minister Larry Howai is today expected to meet with members of the TT Casino and Members Club Association for a pre-Budget consultation.

According to a statement from the US Department of Justice, credited with the investigation involving the allegations against the Trinidad casino owner were special agents of the IRS-Criminal Investigation, the FBI, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Homeland Security Investigations, law enforcement officers from the Monmouth County Prosecutor’s Office, and police officers from Wall Township Police Department.

News of Migliore’s court appearance made international headlines across the globe yesterday. The New Zealand Herald reported, “Feds: Trinidad casino owner stiffed US on taxes,” while Trinidad was also featured in Canada’s Edmonton Journal’s headline ‘Feds: Trinidad casino owner stiffed US on taxes.”

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2013, 06:26:16 AM »
One less money launderer!

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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2013, 07:22:28 AM »
The US Government is one of de most 'desperate-and -cash-strapped-for-money-and-privacy-invasive' governments on this planet.  The US is one (or one of the few) countries that stresses so much about money, that it FORCES other countries to give-up financial info on US citizens living and earning money abroad.   

And the ironic thing is, the US tax system as administered by the IRS, is an illegal and unconstitutional system, that was formed ILLEGALLY in 1913.  There is no law requiring US Citizens to pay taxes on 'income'.  But this government enacts an illegal system by brute force and pure coercion. 

I hope this fellow walks away scots-free, just to stick to the greedy US government.   
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2013, 08:00:44 AM »
Americans giving up passports jump sixfold as tougher rules loom.
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Americans renouncing U.S. citizenship surged sixfold in the second quarter from a year earlier as the government prepares to introduce tougher asset-disclosure rules.

Expatriates giving up their nationality at U.S. embassies climbed to 1,131 in the three months through June from 189 in the year-earlier period, according to Federal Register figures published August 9, Bloomberg reports.

That brought the first-half total to 1,810 compared with 235 for the whole of 2008.

The U.S., the only nation in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development that taxes citizens wherever they reside, is searching for tax cheats in offshore centers, including Switzerland, as the government tries to curb the budget deficit. Shunned by Swiss and German banks and facing tougher asset-disclosure rules under the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act, more of the estimated 6 million Americans living overseas are weighing the cost of holding a U.S. passport.

“With the looming deadline for Fatca, more and more U.S. citizens are becoming aware that they have U.S. tax reporting obligations,” said Matthew Ledvina, a U.S. tax lawyer at Anaford AG in Zurich.

“Once aware, they decide to renounce their U.S. citizenship.”

Fatca requires foreign financial institutions to report to the Internal Revenue Service information about financial accounts held by U.S. taxpayers, or held by foreign entities in which U.S. taxpayers hold a substantial ownership interest. It was estimated to generate $8.7 billion over 10 years, according to the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation.

The 2010 Fatca law requires banks to withhold 30 percent from “certain U.S.-connected payments” to some accounts of American clients who don’t disclose enough information to the IRS. While banks can sign agreements to report to the IRS individually, many are precluded from doing so by privacy laws in their jurisdictions.

The Treasury Department last month announced that the IRS will delay the start of Fatca by six months until July 1, 2014, to give foreign banks time to comply with the law. The extension of the act follows a previous one-year delay announced in 2011.

Financial institutions including Canada’s Toronto-Dominion Bank (TD) and Allianz SE of Germany have expressed concerns that Fatca is too complex.

The latest delay comes after the Swiss government agreed in February to simplifications that will help the country’s banks implement Fatca.

“The United States wishes to ensure that all income earned worldwide by U.S. taxpayers on accounts held abroad can be taxed by the United States,” the Swiss government said on April 10.

Since 2011, Americans, who disclose their non-U.S. bank accounts to the IRS, must file the more expansive 8938 form that asks for all foreign financial assets, including insurance contracts, loans and shareholdings in non-U.S. companies.

Failure to file the 8938 form can result in a fine of as much as $50,000. Clients can also be penalised half the amount in an undeclared foreign bank account under the Banks Secrecy Act of 1970.

The implementation of Fatca from July next year comes after UBS, Switzerland’s largest bank, paid a $780 million penalty in 2009 and handed over data on about 4,700 accounts to settle a tax-evasion dispute with the U.S. Whistle-blower Bradley Birkenfeld was sentenced to 40 months in a U.S. prison in 2009 after informing the government and Senate about his American clients at the Geneva branch of Zurich-based UBS AG. (UBSN)

The additional compliance costs for companies to ensure that Americans they hire are filing the correct U.S. tax returns and asset-declaration forms are at least $5,000 per person, said Ledvina.

For individuals, the costs are also rising.

Getting a mortgage or acquiring life insurance is becoming almost impossible for American citizens living overseas, Ledvina said.

“With increased U.S. tax reporting, U.S. accounting costs alone are around $2,000 per year for a U.S. citizen residing abroad,” the tax lawyer said. “Adding factors, such as difficulty in finding a bank to accept a U.S. citizen as a client, it is difficult to justify keeping the U.S. citizenship for those who reside permanently abroad.”

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2013, 08:05:04 AM »
Did Jack give up his green card because of tax invasion ? or does this stands just for citizens ?

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2013, 08:12:38 AM »
Flex, regarding the story you posted about Americans giving up their passports in droves, I saw that article on Drudge Report a few days ago also.  I could could relate. 

I'm actually considering giving up my US passport and relinquishing my US citizenship also due to the ridiculous high and illegal US tax laws.

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2013, 08:13:55 AM »
And I use the word tax 'laws' very loosely...lol.
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2013, 08:18:51 AM »
Did Jack give up his green card because of tax invasion ? or does this stands just for citizens ?



I believe that Jackula gave up his green card in an attempt to escape tax evasion and money laundering charges...however, once the charges are filed, giving-up a green card doesn't mean that the charges go away. 

Anyway, I want to see JW in jail for life, but the only thing I would support JW or anyone on, is sticking it to the US Government and their over-reaching illegal application of the tax system. 

Other than that, stick JW in jail for life and throw away the key...lol 
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2013, 08:27:02 AM »
Sorry...I meant to answer the 2nd part of the question.  The US tax system as it applies today, is applicable to both US Citizens and US Green Card holders.  Green Card holders are assumed to be living in the US at least for around 30 days per calendar year.

The laws are applied to both basically the same, when it comes to paying taxes etc.
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2013, 08:55:56 AM »
OutsideMan,how could the IRS be illegal and unconstitutional?

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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2013, 09:27:54 AM »
OutsideMan,how could the IRS be illegal and unconstitutional?

Deeks, the explanation may be too long for a simple post here, but I'll make it as brief in point form (but firstly let me clarify that I'm referring to the Federal Income Tax and the US Constitution...not excise taxes or state and local taxes, since each US State has their own constitution etc):

(1) Basically, the US Constitution does indeed allow for a 'limited' form of taxation --- but that form of taxation must not be a 'direct' tax, and must be a portioned as the US Constitution demands.  The form of taxation today breaches these rules, thereby in itself rendering it unconstitutional.

(2) Additionally, the 16th Amendment of the US Constitution was not fully ratified by the required # of votes in Congress, but it was 'forced' through anyway (and this amendment must still comply with the original terms of the Constitution).  As a side-note, the 16th Amendment was written by a consortium of powerful private banking interests, who stood to gain from the passage of the creation of the IRS which would be created a few years later in 1913. 

(3) The Federal Tax as it stands today taxes ones' Income...and you are penalized and jailed if you don't pay taxes on this income.  Though this may sound clear and reasonable to most, there is one hitch which also provides further proof of it's illegality --- it has to do with the definition of the word 'Income'.
You see, the US Supreme Court which is the law of the land, and whose rulings must be followed and adhered to, has already clearly defined the word 'Income' to basically refer to a 'BONUS'.

In other words:  If you as an employee are working for someone (your employer), you and your employer have an agreement in which you will both make an equitable exchange.  You exchange your labour for your employers money.  This is considered an even exchange...a service (your labour), for a good (your employer's money).  An even exchange is not considered 'Income'.  However, the US Supreme Court ruled that once your employer decides to pay you a BONUS above and beyond the pre-agreement amount of your salary, then only THAT bonus can be considered as income, and is taxable. 

Sadly, the US Government with all it's guns and brute force totally ignores this aspect of the law, and taxes ALL forms of income, and even forcibly and illegally confiscates, steals, and auctions off the citizens belongings, many times without due process, and even without an outcome of a verdict in court.  It is among the most vile, profane, and rigged system of governance on the planet.

There's a lot more to this, but that's just the basics. 
 
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2013, 09:55:20 AM »
If anyone cares to learn more about the illegality of the US Tax System, here's a video made in 2006 from producer Aaron Russo.  It's called: "American: Freedom to Fascism"

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6ayb02bwp0
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2013, 10:12:47 AM »
It's funny to me how income tax was originally a temporary tax to pay for the Civil War. Read more about the theories of the validity of the 16th amendment in the link. Looks like it has been challenged in court a couple times and failed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_Sixteenth_Amendment_arguments



Outsideman, I have a couple thoughts on your points:

1. How can something be considered unconstitutional if the Constitution is amended to include it? Lots of things were added to the original constitution after it was written e.g. The Bill of Rights (religious freedom, gun rights etc.), abolition of slavery (originally slave was considered 3/5 of a person), women's sufferage

2. Unfortunately just because a law is written by outside parties or even railroaded through legislature doesn't make it invalid; it may be immoral or unethical but not illegal. Sadly too many laws today are written by lobbiests. One of my friends from grad school was a Congressional aide and he gave me the inside scoop on how many laws are written by outsiders/businesses and given to a Congressman to take to his colleagues.




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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2013, 10:56:12 AM »
It's funny to me how income tax was originally a temporary tax to pay for the Civil War. Read more about the theories of the validity of the 16th amendment in the link. Looks like it has been challenged in court a couple times and failed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_Sixteenth_Amendment_arguments



Outsideman, I have a couple thoughts on your points:

1. How can something be considered unconstitutional if the Constitution is amended to include it? Lots of things were added to the original constitution after it was written e.g. The Bill of Rights (religious freedom, gun rights etc.), abolition of slavery (originally slave was considered 3/5 of a person), women's sufferage

2. Unfortunately just because a law is written by outside parties or even railroaded through legislature doesn't make it invalid; it may be immoral or unethical but not illegal. Sadly too many laws today are written by lobbiests. One of my friends from grad school was a Congressional aide and he gave me the inside scoop on how many laws are written by outsiders/businesses and given to a Congressman to take to his colleagues.


@ grimm01:  The points I made above were brief to answer the question posed.  Anyway, yes...there were times when taxes were temporarily enacted to fund wars etc --- eg the Civil War.  The tax was temporary, and then ceased upon the end of the war. 

However the tax system in 1913 was indeed illegally created...and the IRS was not actually created by the US Government, but it was instead created by a consortium of private banks who wrote the 'law', and sponsored the Bills in Congress. This fact has been surprisingly covered by many 'reputable' news media outlets in recent times; covering the book titled "The Creature From Jekyll Island" (a book that covers the history of the formation of the US Federal Reserve and the IRS).

Anyway regarding your questions:  (1)  Yes, there are many Amendments to the US Constitution, and in fact there are Amendments which have even been repealed such as the 18th Amendment which was repealed by the 21st Amendment.  And regardless, no Amendment can breach the US Constitution.  Regardless of all the Amendments added to the US Constitution, they are not supposed to breach the rules of the Constitution.  For instance, the US Constitution never said that slavery was legal, and never said that people were supposed to be denied 'civil rights' etc.  The Amendments you mentioned in your example, were added to more-or-less re-iterate the PRINCIPLES of the US Constitution.

However the Sixteenth Amendment was added illegally, since it did not get the required # of Congressional votes to pass --- yet curiously it was added as an Amendment anyway.
But even if the 16th Amendment was legally passed...it still does not apply since the US Supreme Court ruled that it breaches the US Constitution and does not give or provide the US Government with any new taxing power.

You see, the US Constitution allows for two types for taxes (both limited). A direct tax (excise taxes such as a sales tax);  and an INDIRECT tax (but indirect taxes must be apportioned by all the states).  The 16th Amendment was the attempt by some guilty parties to create a THIRD form of taxation in the US, however the US Supreme Court ruled that this 16th Amendment breaches the US Constitution, and does not give the government any new taxing power whatsoever.  This much is un-disputable.

(2)  Actually there is no Tax Law requiring Americans to pay taxes on their wages, salaries, and 'income' as defined by the US Supreme Court.  Up to this day, no one in Congress, the Senate, nor at the IRS can present you with the law that states that we must pay a mandatory tax on income as defined by the US Supreme Court.  (Btw, Title 26 is not a law).

There is no tax law, and if there is, let them show us the law.      :)     

 
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2013, 11:14:54 AM »
The US Government is one of de most 'desperate-and -cash-strapped-for-money-and-privacy-invasive' governments on this planet. The US is one (or one of the few) countries that stresses so much about money, that it FORCES other countries to give-up financial info on US citizens living and earning money abroad.   

And the ironic thing is, the US tax system as administered by the IRS, is an illegal and unconstitutional system, that was formed ILLEGALLY in 1913.  There is no law requiring US Citizens to pay taxes on 'income'.  But this government enacts an illegal system by brute force and pure coercion. 

I hope this fellow walks away scots-free, just to stick to the greedy US government.   

That is pure nonsense.  Most nations do this to prevent tax dollars from illegally flowing out of the country, and in fact most nations have AML laws on their books to prevent money laundering.

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[Prosecutors]confirmed Migliore owns a Viking boat named Blackbeard’s Revenge. When federal agents raided his home at the Brielle Landing condo complex in October, a new Bentley could be seen by reporters in the garage. Earlier this year, he was arrested in Wall Township on charges of possession of cocaine.
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2013, 11:20:33 AM »
The US Government is one of de most 'desperate-and -cash-strapped-for-money-and-privacy-invasive' governments on this planet. The US is one (or one of the few) countries that stresses so much about money, that it FORCES other countries to give-up financial info on US citizens living and earning money abroad.   

And the ironic thing is, the US tax system as administered by the IRS, is an illegal and unconstitutional system, that was formed ILLEGALLY in 1913.  There is no law requiring US Citizens to pay taxes on 'income'.  But this government enacts an illegal system by brute force and pure coercion. 

I hope this fellow walks away scots-free, just to stick to the greedy US government.   

That is pure nonsense.  Most nations do this to prevent tax dollars from illegally flowing out of the country, and in fact most nations have AML laws on their books to prevent money laundering.

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[Prosecutors]confirmed Migliore owns a Viking boat named Blackbeard’s Revenge. When federal agents raided his home at the Brielle Landing condo complex in October, a new Bentley could be seen by reporters in the garage. Earlier this year, he was arrested in Wall Township on charges of possession of cocaine.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/08/caribbean_casino_at_the_center_of_a_4_million_tax_dodge_feds_charge.html

Bakes --- I actually worked in AML and Investment Compliance for a Wall Street Bank for many years, and can tell you that you misunderstood what I wrote.

What you wrote pertains to income EARNED from the subject country, and then wired to another country to hide the earnings.  However the example I gave as per the article, is one in which the citizen lived in T&T, and earned income in T&T, and kept his money in T&T for the most part.  The US is one of the only countries that chases down and wants to confiscate the funds of citizens who live and work outside of the US, and thus keep their income in the foreign bank accounts of the countries they live in.

You described an entirely different scenario than what I was discussing in my example.
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2013, 11:21:38 AM »
OutsideMan,how could the IRS be illegal and unconstitutional?

Deeks, the explanation may be too long for a simple post here, but I'll make it as brief in point form (but firstly let me clarify that I'm referring to the Federal Income Tax and the US Constitution...not excise taxes or state and local taxes, since each US State has their own constitution etc):

(1) Basically, the US Constitution does indeed allow for a 'limited' form of taxation --- but that form of taxation must not be a 'direct' tax, and must be a portioned as the US Constitution demands.  The form of taxation today breaches these rules, thereby in itself rendering it unconstitutional.

(2) Additionally, the 16th Amendment of the US Constitution was not fully ratified by the required # of votes in Congress, but it was 'forced' through anyway (and this amendment must still comply with the original terms of the Constitution).  As a side-note, the 16th Amendment was written by a consortium of powerful private banking interests, who stood to gain from the passage of the creation of the IRS which would be created a few years later in 1913. 

(3) The Federal Tax as it stands today taxes ones' Income...and you are penalized and jailed if you don't pay taxes on this income.  Though this may sound clear and reasonable to most, there is one hitch which also provides further proof of it's illegality --- it has to do with the definition of the word 'Income'.
You see, the US Supreme Court which is the law of the land, and whose rulings must be followed and adhered to, has already clearly defined the word 'Income' to basically refer to a 'BONUS'.

In other words:  If you as an employee are working for someone (your employer), you and your employer have an agreement in which you will both make an equitable exchange.  You exchange your labour for your employers money.  This is considered an even exchange...a service (your labour), for a good (your employer's money).  An even exchange is not considered 'Income'.  However, the US Supreme Court ruled that once your employer decides to pay you a BONUS above and beyond the pre-agreement amount of your salary, then only THAT bonus can be considered as income, and is taxable. 

Sadly, the US Government with all it's guns and brute force totally ignores this aspect of the law, and taxes ALL forms of income, and even forcibly and illegally confiscates, steals, and auctions off the citizens belongings, many times without due process, and even without an outcome of a verdict in court.  It is among the most vile, profane, and rigged system of governance on the planet.

There's a lot more to this, but that's just the basics. 
 

The US Supreme Court has upheld the validity of the Federal Income Tax.  Other Federal courts have held the same: "It is apparent ...that the defendants have at least had access to some of the publications of tax protester organizations. The publications of these organizations have a bad habit of giving lots of advice without explaining the consequences which can flow from the assertion of totally discredited legal positions and/or meritless factual positions."-United States v. Rempel, 87 Amer. Fed. Tax Rep. 2d (RIA) 1810, 2001 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 8518

but keep cutting and pasting from these nut-job libertarian sites if yuh wish.  In fact, yuh should take a stance and challenge the constitutionality of the tax (yet again) in court.

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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2013, 11:24:14 AM »
Bakes --- I actually worked in AML and Investment Compliance for a Wall Street Bank for many years, and can tell you that you misunderstood what I wrote.

What you wrote pertains to income EARNED from the subject country, and then wired to another country to hide the earnings.  However the example I gave as per the article, is one in which the citizen lived in T&T, and earned income in T&T, and kept his money in T&T for the most part.  The US is one of the only countries that chases down and wants to confiscate the funds of citizens who live and work outside of the US, and thus keep their income in the foreign bank accounts of the countries they live in.

You described an entirely different scenario than what I was discussing in my example.

Uhm... no!  What I wrote refers to income earned abroad and underreported/not reported at home.

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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2013, 11:26:31 AM »
And to add politely to my prior response to you (Bakes) --- money cannot be flowing out of the country, if it was NEVER in the country to begin with.

Again --- I was describing a situation in which say a US Citizen lives in T&T, and earns money in T&T.  This citizen keeps all of his earnings in a local T&T bank, as all foreigners do when living in another country.  The US however even seeks to 'confiscate' the bank accounts of US citizens who live and work abroad. 

That US policy takes over-reaching, boldfaceness, and macconess to an entirely different level.   That was what I was describing.   
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2013, 11:28:41 AM »
Bakes --- I actually worked in AML and Investment Compliance for a Wall Street Bank for many years, and can tell you that you misunderstood what I wrote.

What you wrote pertains to income EARNED from the subject country, and then wired to another country to hide the earnings.  However the example I gave as per the article, is one in which the citizen lived in T&T, and earned income in T&T, and kept his money in T&T for the most part.  The US is one of the only countries that chases down and wants to confiscate the funds of citizens who live and work outside of the US, and thus keep their income in the foreign bank accounts of the countries they live in.

You described an entirely different scenario than what I was discussing in my example.

Uhm... no!  What I wrote refers to income earned abroad and underreported/not reported at home.

Bakes, I've already proven you completely wrong on this, so I don't understand why you're still arguing this point. 

You clearly totally misunderstood the initial post, and you came in with an UNRELATED response.  I showed you your error quite clearly, and yet you're still arguing an invalid point???   Okaaaaaay.   :rotfl:
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2013, 11:34:17 AM »
OutsideMan,how could the IRS be illegal and unconstitutional?

Deeks, the explanation may be too long for a simple post here, but I'll make it as brief in point form (but firstly let me clarify that I'm referring to the Federal Income Tax and the US Constitution...not excise taxes or state and local taxes, since each US State has their own constitution etc):

(1) Basically, the US Constitution does indeed allow for a 'limited' form of taxation --- but that form of taxation must not be a 'direct' tax, and must be a portioned as the US Constitution demands.  The form of taxation today breaches these rules, thereby in itself rendering it unconstitutional.

(2) Additionally, the 16th Amendment of the US Constitution was not fully ratified by the required # of votes in Congress, but it was 'forced' through anyway (and this amendment must still comply with the original terms of the Constitution).  As a side-note, the 16th Amendment was written by a consortium of powerful private banking interests, who stood to gain from the passage of the creation of the IRS which would be created a few years later in 1913. 

(3) The Federal Tax as it stands today taxes ones' Income...and you are penalized and jailed if you don't pay taxes on this income.  Though this may sound clear and reasonable to most, there is one hitch which also provides further proof of it's illegality --- it has to do with the definition of the word 'Income'.
You see, the US Supreme Court which is the law of the land, and whose rulings must be followed and adhered to, has already clearly defined the word 'Income' to basically refer to a 'BONUS'.

In other words:  If you as an employee are working for someone (your employer), you and your employer have an agreement in which you will both make an equitable exchange.  You exchange your labour for your employers money.  This is considered an even exchange...a service (your labour), for a good (your employer's money).  An even exchange is not considered 'Income'.  However, the US Supreme Court ruled that once your employer decides to pay you a BONUS above and beyond the pre-agreement amount of your salary, then only THAT bonus can be considered as income, and is taxable. 

Sadly, the US Government with all it's guns and brute force totally ignores this aspect of the law, and taxes ALL forms of income, and even forcibly and illegally confiscates, steals, and auctions off the citizens belongings, many times without due process, and even without an outcome of a verdict in court.  It is among the most vile, profane, and rigged system of governance on the planet.

There's a lot more to this, but that's just the basics. 
 

The US Supreme Court has upheld the validity of the Federal Income Tax.  Other Federal courts have held the same: "It is apparent ...that the defendants have at least had access to some of the publications of tax protester organizations. The publications of these organizations have a bad habit of giving lots of advice without explaining the consequences which can flow from the assertion of totally discredited legal positions and/or meritless factual positions."-United States v. Rempel, 87 Amer. Fed. Tax Rep. 2d (RIA) 1810, 2001 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 8518

but keep cutting and pasting from these nut-job libertarian sites if yuh wish.  In fact, yuh should take a stance and challenge the constitutionality of the tax (yet again) in court.

firstly, I haven't copy-and-pasted anything at all.  This is all my writing...buuuut, if you want to throw personal unfounded accusations and name-calling as you always seem to do, then by all means, please continue as you were.

Additionally, the US Supreme court did indeed rule on many occasions that the 16th Amendment gave the US Government no new taxing power.  Btw, Aplealate courts and Federal Courts must abide by the Supreme Court, although many times this isn't always the case as Supreme Court rulings aren't always argued in the lower courts.

Also, believe it or not, many people have won these cases against the US Government, and those victories are a matter of public record.
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2013, 03:32:08 PM »
It look like I raised a hornest nest. But so far the exchange has been civil. Actually I like points that are put forward by Bakes and Outside.
Outside you said that the IRS income tax was push thru by private banks. Well that is private enterprise and capitalism at its best.

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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2013, 04:10:31 PM »
It look like I raised a hornest nest. But so far the exchange has been civil. Actually I like points that are put forward by Bakes and Outside.
Outside you said that the IRS income tax was push thru by private banks. Well that is private enterprise and capitalism at its best.

Hey Deeks...I support Capitalism and the Free Markets.  However, the system in which a few select Private Banks committed a coup against the American public in 1913 and thereafter, was actually not capitalism at all.  It can be termed more-so as a Quaisi-Crony-Socialistic-Fascist-Corporatocracy type of system, far far removed from the ideals of freedom and transparency of Capitalism and the Free Markets. 

   
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2013, 05:16:56 PM »
And to add politely to my prior response to you (Bakes) --- money cannot be flowing out of the country, if it was NEVER in the country to begin with.

Again --- I was describing a situation in which say a US Citizen lives in T&T, and earns money in T&T.  This citizen keeps all of his earnings in a local T&T bank, as all foreigners do when living in another country.  The US however even seeks to 'confiscate' the bank accounts of US citizens who live and work abroad. 

That US policy takes over-reaching, boldfaceness, and macconess to an entirely different level.   That was what I was describing.   

Fella, I not going to get into no setta back and forth with you... the US will freeze a bank account, it cannot "confiscate" it, stop talking shit.  I am dealing with this right now with a client of mine, US citizen military contractor working in Ecuador.  If you want to continue pretending for the board that what yuh saying is correct then be my guest.  As you can see from my example this is a US citizen working in a foreign country and required to pay taxes in the US.  There are only two exceptions to this requirement, neither of which I need to get into here.

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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2013, 05:49:12 PM »
And to add politely to my prior response to you (Bakes) --- money cannot be flowing out of the country, if it was NEVER in the country to begin with.

Again --- I was describing a situation in which say a US Citizen lives in T&T, and earns money in T&T.  This citizen keeps all of his earnings in a local T&T bank, as all foreigners do when living in another country.  The US however even seeks to 'confiscate' the bank accounts of US citizens who live and work abroad. 

That US policy takes over-reaching, boldfaceness, and macconess to an entirely different level.   That was what I was describing.   

Fella, I not going to get into no setta back and forth with you... the US will freeze a bank account, it cannot "confiscate" it, stop talking shit.  I am dealing with this right now with a client of mine, US citizen military contractor working in Ecuador.  If you want to continue pretending for the board that what yuh saying is correct then be my guest.  As you can see from my example this is a US citizen working in a foreign country and required to pay taxes in the US.  There are only two exceptions to this requirement, neither of which I need to get into here.

Bakes --- Read the SECOND article that Flex posted.  The US under the new FATCA rules, will have the ability to not just freeze, but also to confiscate assets in foreign bank accounts.

Are you familiar with the new FATCA rules that the US Government is forcing other countries to force their banks to disclose the assets and financial transactions of every US Citizen who holds a bank account in those countries?

In-fact, two banks in two separate offshore jurisdictions that I hold accounts with, sent me emails stating that they will soon be subject to the FATCA disclosure rules, although those offshore jurisdictions have 'strict' banking secrecy laws.  Right now, many offshore jurisdictions are even turning away US Citizens who are looking to open bank accounts in those countries.

READ the 2nd article that Flex posted on this thread.   
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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2013, 06:02:12 PM »
And to add politely to my prior response to you (Bakes) --- money cannot be flowing out of the country, if it was NEVER in the country to begin with.

Again --- I was describing a situation in which say a US Citizen lives in T&T, and earns money in T&T.  This citizen keeps all of his earnings in a local T&T bank, as all foreigners do when living in another country.  The US however even seeks to 'confiscate' the bank accounts of US citizens who live and work abroad. 

That US policy takes over-reaching, boldfaceness, and macconess to an entirely different level.   That was what I was describing.   

Fella, I not going to get into no setta back and forth with you... the US will freeze a bank account, it cannot "confiscate" it, stop talking shit.  I am dealing with this right now with a client of mine, US citizen military contractor working in Ecuador.  If you want to continue pretending for the board that what yuh saying is correct then be my guest.  As you can see from my example this is a US citizen working in a foreign country and required to pay taxes in the US.  There are only two exceptions to this requirement, neither of which I need to get into here.

Bakes --- Also the example you gave about the US citizen military contractor working overseas and required to pay US taxes is not the same thing.  In-fact...exactly where did I say that US Citizens working and living abroad are not subject to US taxes??? If you read my responses carefully, you would note that I've actually been saying the opposite, and stating that I disagree with that policy of US private citizens being required to file US taxes while living and working overseas.

As with every country, IF you work for the government, but you are based overseas, therefore you will still be subject to your home government's taxes.  For instance:  If you are a Trinidadian Citizen who works for the T&T Government in the T&T Embassy in the US, then you WILL indeed be subject to T&T's taxes (not the US taxes)...because you work for the T&T Government.  Same goes for US soldiers and US military contractors who happen to be based overseas.  Just because a US military contractor is based in Iraq, does not mean that the don't pay US taxes.  Yes...they STILL pay US taxes.

My example however is with regards to a US CIVILIAN who is NOT affiliated with the US Government.  Just a regular private citizen (totally unaffiliated with the US Government) who is living overseas, and working for a private enterprise overseas.  The US Government is de ONLY government that is requesting that the US citizen living abroad is still required to file a tax return. 

Question:  If you are a Trini, and you move to the US to live and work in private enterprise...are you still required to file your T&T taxes on a yearly basis, even though you do not live and do not earn income from T&T?  The answer is 'No'.

Do you understand the point now? 

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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2013, 06:54:09 PM »
Bakes --- Read the SECOND article that Flex posted.  The US under the new FATCA rules, will have the ability to not just freeze, but also to confiscate assets in foreign bank accounts.

Are you familiar with the new FATCA rules that the US Government is forcing other countries to force their banks to disclose the assets and financial transactions of every US Citizen who holds a bank account in those countries?

In-fact, two banks in two separate offshore jurisdictions that I hold accounts with, sent me emails stating that they will soon be subject to the FATCA disclosure rules, although those offshore jurisdictions have 'strict' banking secrecy laws.  Right now, many offshore jurisdictions are even turning away US Citizens who are looking to open bank accounts in those countries.

READ the 2nd article that Flex posted on this thread.   

Quote the language from the article which states that the US will "confiscate" the bank accounts of US citizens resident abroad.  It doesn't have to be the actual word "confiscate", but quote the language that says the gov't will seize, take etc. the bank account.

Bakes --- Also the example you gave about the US citizen military contractor working overseas and required to pay US taxes is not the same thing.  In-fact...exactly where did I say that US Citizens working and living abroad are not subject to US taxes??? If you read my responses carefully, you would note that I've actually been saying the opposite, and stating that I disagree with that policy of US private citizens being required to file US taxes while living and working overseas.

As with every country, IF you work for the government, but you are based overseas, therefore you will still be subject to your home government's taxes.  For instance:  If you are a Trinidadian Citizen who works for the T&T Government in the T&T Embassy in the US, then you WILL indeed be subject to T&T's taxes (not the US taxes)...because you work for the T&T Government.  Same goes for US soldiers and US military contractors who happen to be based overseas.  Just because a US military contractor is based in Iraq, does not mean that the don't pay US taxes.  Yes...they STILL pay US taxes.

My example however is with regards to a US CIVILIAN who is NOT affiliated with the US Government.  Just a regular private citizen (totally unaffiliated with the US Government) who is living overseas, and working for a private enterprise overseas.  The US Government is de ONLY government that is requesting that the US citizen living abroad is still required to file a tax return. 

Question:  If you are a Trini, and you move to the US to live and work in private enterprise...are you still required to file your T&T taxes on a yearly basis, even though you do not live and do not earn income from T&T?  The answer is 'No'.

Do you understand the point now? 

(Edited to correct a couple of typos, and add a sentence left out in first version). 


Are you daft?  You really believe that government workers are taxed differently from private citizens??  Have you ever heard of the Equal Protection Clause of the US constitution?  You cannot treat one class of US citizens/(legal) residents differently from another.  All workers, regardless of employers are subject to the same tax scheme.  Secondly, did you miss the part where I said he was a CIVILIAN military CONTRACTOR?  His employer is not the US government, he is employed by a private US company.  Or yuh doh know what "contractor" means?  Yuh need to quit bluffing because yuh arguments naked under all that bluff.

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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2013, 06:56:58 PM »
Did Jack give up his green card because of tax invasion ? or does this stands just for citizens ?



Flex the article isn't saying that people are being forced to give up their citizenship... what they doing is that they voluntarily giving up US citizenship so that they won't fall under US jurisdiction.  As for Jack, I don't know that he has a Green Card, but if he does they can't force him to give it up unless he's convicted of a felony.  He hasn't even been charged yet, let alone convicted.

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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2013, 07:05:00 PM »
I'll bottom-line this entire US over-reaching policy of taxing the earnings of PRIVATE US Citizens (non-US government workers/contractors) living and working outside of the US:

Among other factors, the US is increasing their efforts to secure taxes from private US citizens living and working abroad due to the constant mis-management and ever increasing record national DEBT.  This has absolutely nothing to do with Anti-Money Laundering pursuits and 'flight of capital' to overseas jurisdictions as Bakes claimed.  Again...if the money is earned overseas while the private citizen is living overseas, then what flight of capital from the US is taking place?

This has EVERYTHING to do with the US Government's own financial mis-management and high debt crisis.  They need to get their own house in order, and we all have to do on our own to keep our own houses in order....but they don't see it that way.  They prefer to tax people to perpetuity, even those living outside the US, while they (the US government) continue business as usual piling up more debt and financial mismanagement. 

That's what it boils down to.     
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2013, 07:08:25 PM »
Bakes --- Read the SECOND article that Flex posted.  The US under the new FATCA rules, will have the ability to not just freeze, but also to confiscate assets in foreign bank accounts.

Are you familiar with the new FATCA rules that the US Government is forcing other countries to force their banks to disclose the assets and financial transactions of every US Citizen who holds a bank account in those countries?

In-fact, two banks in two separate offshore jurisdictions that I hold accounts with, sent me emails stating that they will soon be subject to the FATCA disclosure rules, although those offshore jurisdictions have 'strict' banking secrecy laws.  Right now, many offshore jurisdictions are even turning away US Citizens who are looking to open bank accounts in those countries.

READ the 2nd article that Flex posted on this thread.   

Quote the language from the article which states that the US will "confiscate" the bank accounts of US citizens resident abroad.  It doesn't have to be the actual word "confiscate", but quote the language that says the gov't will seize, take etc. the bank account.

Bakes --- Also the example you gave about the US citizen military contractor working overseas and required to pay US taxes is not the same thing.  In-fact...exactly where did I say that US Citizens working and living abroad are not subject to US taxes??? If you read my responses carefully, you would note that I've actually been saying the opposite, and stating that I disagree with that policy of US private citizens being required to file US taxes while living and working overseas.

As with every country, IF you work for the government, but you are based overseas, therefore you will still be subject to your home government's taxes.  For instance:  If you are a Trinidadian Citizen who works for the T&T Government in the T&T Embassy in the US, then you WILL indeed be subject to T&T's taxes (not the US taxes)...because you work for the T&T Government.  Same goes for US soldiers and US military contractors who happen to be based overseas.  Just because a US military contractor is based in Iraq, does not mean that the don't pay US taxes.  Yes...they STILL pay US taxes.

My example however is with regards to a US CIVILIAN who is NOT affiliated with the US Government.  Just a regular private citizen (totally unaffiliated with the US Government) who is living overseas, and working for a private enterprise overseas.  The US Government is de ONLY government that is requesting that the US citizen living abroad is still required to file a tax return. 

Question:  If you are a Trini, and you move to the US to live and work in private enterprise...are you still required to file your T&T taxes on a yearly basis, even though you do not live and do not earn income from T&T?  The answer is 'No'.

Do you understand the point now? 

(Edited to correct a couple of typos, and add a sentence left out in first version). 


Are you daft?  You really believe that government workers are taxed differently from private citizens??  Have you ever heard of the Equal Protection Clause of the US constitution?  You cannot treat one class of US citizens/(legal) residents differently from another.  All workers, regardless of employers are subject to the same tax scheme.  Secondly, did you miss the part where I said he was a CIVILIAN military CONTRACTOR?  His employer is not the US government, he is employed by a private US company.  Or yuh doh know what "contractor" means?  Yuh need to quit bluffing because yuh arguments naked under all that bluff.

Bakes --- Clearly you cannot read English.  Where did I say that US Government workers are taxed differently that US Private Citizens??? 

Seriously...where did I say that?

Dude...I am saying that I DO NOT AGREE with the policy that both are taxed the same when LIVING AND WORKING ABROAD. 

I actually have to write this in huge capital letters because you cannot seem to understand and comprehend plain old simple English.

you need to go back and re-read the comments, because you are now sounding very lost and confused. 
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