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Seems to be a renaissance down south (PFCC, Guaya, Cub Sando etc)  where mind you football was always great.
Imagine if somebody says in the future, there is only one major panside from Tong and dey barely make Panorama finals. Daiz de bes' analogy ah could think of when looking at the situation. Could it be linked to the more rapid degeneration of Tong youths compared to country yout's? Could it be the excessive distraction options for Tong yout's?
Does seem ah bit passin' strange.
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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2013, 12:39:37 PM »
Well actually Defense Force is one, but no other community / village teams
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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2013, 12:45:29 PM »
Seems to be a renaissance down south (PFCC, Guaya, Cub Sando etc)  where mind you football was always great.
Imagine if somebody says in the future, there is only one major panside from Tong and dey barely make Panorama finals. Daiz de bes' analogy ah could think of when looking at the situation. Could it be linked to the more rapid degeneration of Tong youths compared to country yout's? Could it be the excessive distraction options for Tong yout's?
Does seem ah passin' strange.
     Like you haven't been around too long,check the history of Football in T&T,the major Football league was in POS,the legue where everybody wanted to play was POS,the league where you was easily seen and get recognition was POS,it does not necessirily mean the players were from POS,even the schools in POS are not POS kids.

     How many players from Malvern,Maple,DF,Colts,Essex,Paragon etc etc were from POS? it's not no degeneration of Towne Youths.What happen is that a lot the major teams in POS are no more,you will also find it was the country boys that made these teams popular,South guys stayed in South why South also had good teams,Country guys eh coming in Towne no more those days are over.

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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2013, 12:46:44 PM »
Well actually Defense Force is one, but no other community / village teams
     You can also label Police as one.

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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2013, 12:53:39 PM »
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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2013, 01:07:42 PM »
Dreamer's topic i'm not sure how wide POS is,so is not only St Anns Rangers.

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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2013, 02:01:28 PM »

...... everybody wanted to play was POS,the league where you was easily seen and get recognition was POS,it does not necessirily mean the players were from POS,even the schools in POS are not POS kids.

     How many players from Malvern,Maple,DF,Colts,Essex,Paragon etc etc were from POS? it's not no degeneration of Towne Youths.What happen is that a lot the major teams in POS are no more,you will also find it was the country boys that made these teams popular,South guys stayed in South why South also had good teams,Country guys eh coming in Towne no more those days are over.

Interesting ....
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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2013, 02:57:02 PM »
Why no Arima team?
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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2013, 03:01:53 PM »
Malabar rising maybe
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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2013, 04:28:50 PM »
Something I noticed when I took a ride down south (Siparia - Los Iros - La Brea - Point Fortin - Sando) was that there were so many more "community" pitches - i.e. actual pitches in fair nick in communities. Diego Martin has the Rec ground but there's hustle between them and Patna Village, with Cricket being played more than footy when I was there. If the community is there and has a good place to play, don't be surprised if their kids are doing well.

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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2013, 05:20:13 PM »
There are some good locations for teams, but the local business community and regional corporations have to help. After all, it is proven that a well organised club can help keep kids out of trouble.
Many good players coming out of Carenage. Diego Martin could use a team. Santa Cruz. Curepe/St Augustine. Tunapuna. Arima really should have a team other than Malabar. Maybe even Chaguanas. (We were going to be Chaguanas Utd originally, but opted for Central F.C.)

And, yes, there needs to be a PoS Utd. (Not a Belmont or St James, but one that can unite the city rather than just represent one part of it.) 

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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2013, 06:17:40 PM »
There are some good locations for teams, but the local business community and regional corporations have to help. After all, it is proven that a well organised club can help keep kids out of trouble.
Many good players coming out of Carenage. Diego Martin could use a team. Santa Cruz. Curepe/St Augustine. Tunapuna. Arima really should have a team other than Malabar. Maybe even Chaguanas. (We were going to be Chaguanas Utd originally, but opted for Central F.C.)

And, yes, there needs to be a PoS Utd. (Not a Belmont or St James, but one that can unite the city rather than just represent one part of it.) 
       Saying there needs to be a POS Utd is like saying there needs to be one Steelband in POS,at one time every area in POS had a team,Belmont,St Joseph Rd,St james,Deigo Martin,Carenage,St Anns,Maraval,Cocorite,Bosiere,Woodbrook had about three etc etc so i don't think a POS Utd will ever happen.

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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2013, 06:27:52 PM »
Why no Arima team?

which business in Arima will sponsor a pro side. Fire Service went up there to play and got no support. Memphis gone thru. Fulham and Santa Rosa been around for some time. No sponsor. Who sponsoring Malabar. How long will that sponsor be with them?
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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2013, 07:17:40 PM »
There are some good locations for teams, but the local business community and regional corporations have to help. After all, it is proven that a well organised club can help keep kids out of trouble.
Many good players coming out of Carenage. Diego Martin could use a team. Santa Cruz. Curepe/St Augustine. Tunapuna. Arima really should have a team other than Malabar. Maybe even Chaguanas. (We were going to be Chaguanas Utd originally, but opted for Central F.C.)

And, yes, there needs to be a PoS Utd. (Not a Belmont or St James, but one that can unite the city rather than just represent one part of it.) 
       Saying there needs to be a POS Utd is like saying there needs to be one Steelband in POS,at one time every area in POS had a team,Belmont,St Joseph Rd,St james,Deigo Martin,Carenage,St Anns,Maraval,Cocorite,Bosiere,Woodbrook had about three etc etc so i don't think a POS Utd will ever happen.

Actually, FS has a point. Pro football teams in TT has to be inclusive. All the teams mentioned above cannot be professional. Some have to consolidated to pool what ever little resource they have. With the exception of DF, POS has one pro-team in Rangers.  Why the don't called themselves POS Rangers is beyond. They not playing in the old NAFL or POSFL which were  city based leagues. They playing in the national league or possibly a Caribbean league(if that ever come thru). Everybody talking about POS, what team does Sando have.

When the old NFL came in, the community leagues just died out. Well they were pushed off the cliff by you know who? I also could not understand who the 2 most famous clubs in POS refused to make any attempt to get sponsors move up to the pro level. I talking about Malvern and Maple. They appear to be contented living off their past laurels. It is a bloody shame.
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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2013, 09:42:48 PM »
 deeks i couldn't agree with you more ...  its been longstanding question  to me , why is 2 of the most popular  teams (malvern and maple) in all of trinidad and tobago football  not forgetting the many memorable epic  batlles between them ,  along with teams like colts . harvard ,dynamos,  paragon and luton town...to name a few .... simply flew off the radar . its really a shame....... damn yuh ketch meh dey deeks..  .......... as we here on the topic  , why the heck  was the north  / south classic ....  they should return to such ..... with the best players for the viewing public to see

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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2013, 04:38:24 AM »
There are some good locations for teams, but the local business community and regional corporations have to help. After all, it is proven that a well organised club can help keep kids out of trouble.
Many good players coming out of Carenage. Diego Martin could use a team. Santa Cruz. Curepe/St Augustine. Tunapuna. Arima really should have a team other than Malabar. Maybe even Chaguanas. (We were going to be Chaguanas Utd originally, but opted for Central F.C.)

And, yes, there needs to be a PoS Utd. (Not a Belmont or St James, but one that can unite the city rather than just represent one part of it.)

Diego Martin has Westside Superstarz, but they're quite new. There are a couple in the NFA (Petit Valley, Patna off the top of my head).

Good point tho - I'd rather see the return of teams like Maple and Malvern to the league and get some history and heritage

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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2013, 09:00:02 AM »
Community based teams are great but there is also a downside. A group of kids in a community form ateam, start beating everybody and they capture the imagination of the country. They hang for about 10 years, then their community talents is not coming out as before. What do the team do? they go outside and recruit. They keep on winning. At the mean time they if they savvy they will continue deveoping their "diamonds in the rough" so that they could bring back the initial community magic that the team had. It work sometimes and other times it failed miserably. Caranage United, Oukalis, St. Barbs, Laventille Youths, Dynamos,etc,etc,etc.

PFCC went thru that and they trying a revival. How come Point can do that and Palo Seco, Fyzabad can't. How come all the SFL(industry) teams gone thru. All the factories were tied to the communities. So it follows that all the factory team had community support. When the factories closed down, the demise of their sports team followed. Point was an exception to the rule though. When Shell left TT, they handed the Mahaica facilities to CC organisation. It ran well for a good while, but the economic downturn and "probably poor management or lack of insite of the changing football trends" by the CC people almost cause the downfall of this cherish football institution.

I think in Central, Leeds, CYO, Couva Sports and Montrose go way back. I think they still around. Correct me.

All the teams in SFA had the same issues. Juniors, Hurricanes, Malin, Greyhound Dovers, Searchers, Hawk?(correct me), Evergreen? All them teams are no longer there

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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2013, 09:16:51 AM »
Deeks, you are correct about how community teams are founded. But to take the next step, clubs need to recruit from outside. All of the Worlds top club teams began life at factory or community teams. Now, probably less than 25% of their playing staff is home grown.

Community is a good start, but you have to build a regional, then national following, and those people don't give a hoot about local players...they want to win!

I understand that there were only 200 supporters at Mahaica for the F.A. Trophy game and under 500 for the "Big Toyota Classic game". Novelty is wearing off as poor results come in. You can't rely on too many part-time waggonist supporters.

No team can win all of the time on the pitch, so you have to make sure you always win off the pitch. We lost 5-1 on Saturday, but we also made a presentation to the War Veterans Association. May not seem like much, but it was still a win for Central F.C. in my book.

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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2013, 10:21:50 AM »
All of what we are saying is good but don't matter how we look at it to a certain extent who can't play Pro Football have lost the passion for the game,why i'm saying that is because everybody wants money to play,weather they good or not they want money,it's the reason a lot of guys want to play Minor League because they make extra money there.

People might say why Malvern,Maple etc etc don't produce teams in today's environment,in the past it didn't take much to run a club,you didn't have the overhead expenses like paying players etc etc even grounds were free because everybody practice in the Savannah,games were the Grand Stand,King George V Pk,PSA not much worry about transport.

Guys just loved to play Football,a job was more or less the criteria to get a player,they would work all day and come and put in a good practice/game on a evening,most Malvern/Essex guys used to work on the Port.

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Re: Come to think of it ... Why no POS pro team other than St. Ann's Rangers?
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2013, 10:30:23 AM »
Sadly many things need to happen at once in order to facilitate some progress in TT football, and the TTFA really has no money. They might be better off declaring bankruptcy and setting up a new organisation without the debt burden.

 

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