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Re: A premature history of the second Cold War and Putin
« Reply #150 on: March 21, 2014, 03:01:35 PM »
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You have failed to prove or back up your assertions, and are instead engaging in intellectual dishonesty as you try to move the goalposts.

... this is where you turn from a comedian into a clown. Failed to back up my assertions?  It won't be the first time that you've greeted substantiated assertion with blind denial. I cyah help that. You have an interpretational and credibility deficit.   

The above is dishonesty. Consistent with your gospel of awarded cowardice, hypocrisy and imperialism. Yuh real brisk doh ... you haven't presented an iota that would rise to recognition of anything "intellectual" - but you feign to recognize "intellectual dishonesty"?

Aside from struggling with basic honesty, sadly, you're a parroter of information rather than analytical of the interstices. I cyah help that. But, I forget ... you're a blind prophet with an occasional penchant for gender re-assignment who trains Ms. Cleo. Yuh too busy to make sense or make sense of sense.

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For this sort of thing ... books represent a which came first, chicken or the egg kind of conundrum. It's not books that will be controlling or authoritative here (at least until present history is written). SMH.
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Re: A premature history of the second Cold War and Putin
« Reply #151 on: March 21, 2014, 04:12:32 PM »
so according to asylumseeker: germany, which still has US military bases, is an "ally" of russia according to some articles he read (in english) from stratfor. take win asylumseeker.

Ever heard of Guantanamo? Or Rheinmetall? I'll let you juxtapose both references (in English ... in large print  ;)). Let's restrict the absurdity to things that are beyond the glaringly obvious.
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Re: A premature history of the second Cold War and Putin
« Reply #152 on: March 21, 2014, 08:54:20 PM »
Interesting read this- geopolitics at its core

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/21/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-insight-idUSBREA2K07S20140321

(Reuters) - When President Vladimir Putin signed a treaty this week annexing Crimea to great fanfare in the Kremlin and anger in the West, a trusted lieutenant was making his way to Asia to shore up ties with Russia's eastern allies.

Forcing home the symbolism of his trip, Igor Sechin gathered media in Tokyo the next day to warn Western governments that more sanctions over Moscow's seizure of the Black Sea peninsula from Ukraine would be counter-productive.

The underlying message from the head of Russia's biggest oil company, Rosneft, was clear: If Europe and the United States isolate Russia, Moscow will look East for new business, energy deals, military contracts and political alliances.

The Holy Grail for Moscow is a natural gas supply deal with China that is apparently now close after years of negotiations. If it can be signed when Putin visits China in May, he will be able to hold it up to show that global power has shifted eastwards and he does not need the West.

"The worse Russia's relations are with the West, the closer Russia will want to be to China. If China supports you, no one can say you're isolated," said Vasily Kashin, a China expert at the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) think thank.

Some of the signs are encouraging for Putin. Last Saturday China abstained in a U.N. Security Council vote on a draft resolution declaring invalid the referendum in which Crimea went on to back union with Russia.

Although China is nervous about referendums in restive regions of other countries which might serve as a precedent for Tibet and Taiwan, it has refused to criticize Moscow.

The support of Beijing is vital for Putin. Not only is China a fellow permanent member of the U.N. Security Council with whom Russia thinks alike, it is also the world's second biggest economy and it opposes the spread of Western-style democracy.

Little wonder, then, that Putin thanked China for its understanding over Ukraine in a Kremlin speech on Tuesday before signing the treaty claiming back Crimea, 60 years after it was handed to Ukraine by Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev.

Chinese President Xi Jinping showed how much he values ties with Moscow, and Putin in particular, by making Russia his first foreign visit as China's leader last year and attending the opening of the Winter Olympics in Sochi last month.

Many Western leaders did not go to the Games after criticism of Russia's record on human rights. By contrast, when Putin and Xi discussed Ukraine by telephone on March 4, the Kremlin said their positions were "close".

A strong alliance would suit both countries as a counterbalance to the United States.

WARM EMBRACE, BUT NO BEAR HUG

But despite the positive signs from Beijing, Putin may find China's embrace is not quite the bear hug he would like.

There is still some wariness between Beijing and Moscow, who almost went to war over a border dispute in the 1960s, when Russia was part of the Communist Soviet Union.

State-owned Russian gas firm Gazprom hopes to pump 38 billion cubic meters (bcm) of natural gas per year to China from 2018 via the first pipeline between the world's largest producer of conventional gas to the largest consumer.

"May is in our plans," a Gazprom spokesman said, when asked about the timing of an agreement.

A company source said: "It would be logical to expect the deal during Putin's visit to China."

But the two sides are still wrangling over pricing and Russia's cooling relations with the West could make China toughen its stance. Russian industry sources say Beijing targets a lower price than Europe, where Gazprom generates around half of its revenues, pays.

Upheaval at China National Petroleum Corp, at the centre of a corruption investigation, could cause also delays, and Valery Nesterov, an analyst with Sberbank CIB in Moscow, said China also needs time to review its energy strategy and take into account shale gas and liquefied natural gas (LNG).

"The bottom line is that the threat of sanctions on energy supplies from Russia has indirectly strengthened China's position in the negotiations," Nesterov said.

BOOSTING BUSINESS

Russia meets almost a third of Europe's gas needs and supplies to the European Union and Turkey last year exceeded 162 bcm, a record high.

However, China overtook Germany as Russia's biggest buyer of crude oil this year thanks to Rosneft securing deals to boost eastward oil supplies via the East Siberia-Pacific Ocean pipeline and another crossing Kazakhstan.

If Russia is isolated by a new round of Western sanctions - those so far affect only a few officials' assets abroad and have not been aimed at companies - Russia and China could also step up cooperation in areas apart from energy.

CAST's Kashin said the prospects of Russia delivering Sukhoi SU-35 fighter jets to China, which has been under discussion since 2010, would grow.

China is very interested in investing in infrastructure, energy and commodities in Russia, and a decline in business with the West could force Moscow to drop some of its reservations about Chinese investment in strategic industries.

"With Western sanctions, the atmosphere could change quickly in favor of China," said Brian Zimbler Managing Partner of Morgan Lewis international law firm's Moscow office.

Russia-China trade turnover grew by 8.2 percent in 2013 to $8.1 billion but Russia was still only China's seventh largest export partner in 2013, and was not in the top 10 countries for imported goods. The EU is Russia's biggest trade partner, accounting for almost half of all its trade turnover.

DILEMMA FOR JAPAN, SUPPORT IN INDIA

Sechin, whose visit also included India, Vietnam and South Korea, is a close Putin ally who worked with him in the St Petersburg city authorities and then the Kremlin administration, before serving as a deputy prime minister.

In Tokyo, he offered Japanese investors more cooperation in the development of Russian oil and gas.

Rosneft already has some joint projects with companies from Japan, the world's largest consumer of LNG, and Tokyo has been working hard under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to improve ties with Moscow, despite a territorial dispute dating from World War Two.

But Japan faces a dilemma over Crimea because it is under pressure to impose sanctions on Moscow as a member of the Group of Seven advanced economies.

It does not recognize the referendum on Crimea's union with Russia and has threatened to suspend talks on an investment pact and relaxation of visa requirements as part of sanctions.

Closer ties are being driven by mutual energy interests. Russia plans to at least double oil and gas flows to Asia in the next 20 years and Japan imports huge volumes of fossil fuel to replace lost energy from its nuclear power industry, shut down after the 2011 Fukushima disaster.

Oil imports from Russia rose almost 45 percent in 2013 and accounted for about 7 percent of supplies.

But if the dilemma is a tough one for Japan, it is unlikely to cause Putin much lost sleep.

"I don't think Putin is worried much by about what is said in Japan or even in Europe. He worries only about China," said Alexei Vlasov, head of the Information and Analytical Center on Social and Political Processes in the Post-Soviet Space.

Putin did take time, however, to thank one other country apart from China for its understanding over Ukraine and Crimea - saying India had shown "restraint and objectivity".

He also called Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to discuss the crisis on Tuesday, suggesting there is room for Russia's ties with traditionally non-aligned India to flourish.

Although India has become the largest export market for U.S. arms, Russia remains a key defense supplier and relations are friendly, even if lacking a strong business and trade dimension, due to a strategic partnership dating to the Soviet era.

Putin's moves to assert Russian control over Crimea were seen very favorably in the Indian establishment, N. Ram, publisher of The Hindu newspaper, told Reuters. "Russia has legitimate interests," he added.

For Putin, the Crimea crisis offers a test case for ideas he set out in his foreign policy strategy published two years ago as he sought a six-year third term as president.

He said at the time he wanted stronger business ties with China to "catch the Chinese wind in the sails of our economy". But he also said Russia must be "part of the greater world" and added: "We do not wish to and cannot isolate ourselves."

Two years on, he is closer to securing the first goal, but it is not yet clear how his population feels he has done on the second.

(Additional reporting by William Mallard, Aaron Sheldrick and Linda Sieg in Tokyo, Ben Blanchard in Beijing, Jack Frank Daniel and Douglas Busvine in New Delhi, and Lidia Kelly in Moscow; editing by Philippa Fletcher)
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Re: A premature history of the second Cold War and Putin
« Reply #153 on: March 21, 2014, 10:02:29 PM »
Hmmm...read an article on the Guardian earlier about Obama making a stop in China to try to woo them away from Russia.
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« Reply #154 on: March 25, 2014, 09:30:47 PM »
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« Reply #155 on: March 25, 2014, 10:02:40 PM »
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Re: A premature history of the second Cold War and Putin
« Reply #157 on: March 26, 2014, 03:12:17 PM »
She is a delusional lady

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Re: A premature history of the second Cold War and Putin
« Reply #158 on: March 26, 2014, 03:41:12 PM »
It's coming back to what I said before, until half baked come with his bull as usual. It boils down to oil and gas and the dependency on Russia and their natural resources. China will gladly come on board...

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« Reply #159 on: March 27, 2014, 09:08:52 AM »
The White House has welcomed the promise of a deal between the http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26764262MF and Ukraine, saying such a move would help to "stabilise and grow" the country's economy.

Well crapaud smoke Ukraine pipe. IMF loans conditions include a 50% gas hike, and thats just for starters.

Russia was giving them a cool 15 billion plus cheaper gas.

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The International Monetary Fund (IMF) is close to agreement with Ukraine on financial assistance worth $14-18bn (£8.5-£11bn) over the next two years.

An agreement still needs approval by the full board of the IMF.

The stand-by arrangement comes at the end of a three-week visit by IMF officials to the country.

The deal is expected to unlock a further $10bn in loans for Ukraine from the European Union and the US.

"Following the intense economic and political turbulence of recent months, Ukraine has achieved some stability but faces difficult challenges", the IMF's Mission Chief for Ukraine said in a statement.

'Edge of bankruptcy'

The deal goes hand in hand with a reform programme for Ukraine's ailing economy.

A cut in energy subsidies to consumers has been one of the conditions of an international rescue deal and on Wednesday Ukraine's interim government agreed to raise domestic gas prices by 50% in its effort to secure the IMF aid package.

 

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« Reply #160 on: March 27, 2014, 09:11:33 AM »
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26758788Ukraine's interim government says it will raise gas prices for domestic consumers by 50% in an effort to secure an International Monetary Fund (IMF) aid package.

An official at Ukraine's Naftogaz state energy company said the price rise would take effect on 1 May, and further rises would be scheduled until 2018.

Ukrainians are accustomed to buying gas at heavily subsidised rates.

But the IMF has made subsidy reform a condition of its deal.

Ukraine currently buys more than half of its natural gas from Russia's Gazprom, and then sells it on to consumers at below market prices.

Yury Kolbushkin, budget and planning director at Naftogaz, told reporters that gas prices for district heating companies would also rise by 40% from 1 July.

IMF negotiators are still in Kiev to negotiate a package of measures worth billions of dollars to help Ukraine's interim government plug its budget deficit and meet foreign loan repayments.

Deal expected

The IMF is also asking Ukraine to crack down on corruption and end central bank support for the Ukrainian currency.

On Tuesday, Ukraine's finance minister Olexander Shlapak said the country was seeking $15-20bn (£9-12bn) from the IMF.

The Financial Times has reported that a rescue package worth about $15bn is close to being agreed, and could be announced as early as Thursday.

An agreement with the IMF is necessary to unlock further financial support from the EU and US.

Financial help is urgently required as Ukraine has been forced to plunder its foreign currency reserves, and the economy is expected to contract by 3% this year, according to the country's finance ministry.

In the US, arguments in Congress over reforms to the IMF have held up plans to offer Ukraine $1bn in loan guarantees.

The EU says its financial support, potentially worth 1.6bn euros (£1.3bn) is contingent on the IMF deal being agreed.

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Re: A premature history of the second Cold War and Putin
« Reply #161 on: March 27, 2014, 12:30:13 PM »
*Sigh* The IMF will never, ever learn. Just stays roughly as stupid as it was 20 years ago.

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« Reply #162 on: March 27, 2014, 01:59:07 PM »
Vote by U.N. General Assembly Isolates Russia
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lobal condemnation of Russia’s annexation of Crimea, Ukraine and its Western backers persuaded a large majority of countries in the United Nations General Assembly on Thursday to dismiss the annexation as illegal, even as Russia sought to rally world support for the idea of self-determination.

The resolution, proposed by Ukraine and backed by the United States and the European Union, represented the latest effort to isolate President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia over the annexation, which followed a March 16 referendum in the peninsula that has been internationally regarded as Ukrainian territory.

The resolution garnered 100 votes in favor, 11 votes against, with 58 abstentions. The two-page text does not identify Russia by name, but describes the referendum as “having no validity” and calls on countries not to recognize the redrawing of Ukraine’s borders.

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« Reply #163 on: March 27, 2014, 02:00:15 PM »
Look at the countries who voted against the motion and understand the world's view of the annexation of Crimea. T&T voting for the motion I see :)

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« Reply #164 on: March 27, 2014, 03:17:04 PM »


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Apart from the rise of up to 50% in the price of gas for consumers, Ukraine's state-controlled natural gas provider announced a 40% gas price increase for local heating companies, starting on 1 July. The government also accepted a flexible exchange rate for its currency, the hryvnia, which has fuelled inflation: an annual inflation rate of 12-14% is predicted.

Sergei Kiselyov, an economics expert from the school of political analysis at the Kiev-Mogilyanskaya Academy, said inflation and higher gas rates for heating companies would "hit a lot harder" than the rise in consumer gas prices, which average only 7.5 hryvnia (38p) per person per month.

The average person pays 200 hryvnia per month to heat a 50 sq metre apartment, but this will now rise to 280 hryvnia. The average monthly wage is 3,148 hryvnia, more than half of which goes towards food.

Combined with the rising prices of imported products, this would cause people's purchasing power and economic position to fall, Kiselyov said.

"I don't think half the population will live below the poverty line, but the majority of the population will be worse off economically – that's understood," he said.

According to Vasily Koltashov, an economist at the Institute of Globalisation and Social Movements in Moscow, the IMF's austerity measures were harsher than those implemented in Portugal and Greece.

They were "aimed at placing all consequences of the Ukrainian economic crisis on the shoulders of the Ukrainian people," he said. "But Ukrainians differ from the Portuguese and the Greeks because they don't have many savings left. Wages now in Ukraine are, as a rule, not enough to feed a family, and the devaluation of the hryvnia will make it totally impossible."

The worsening economic situation would lead to greater social unrest and could even result in parts of southern and eastern Ukraine following Crimea's example and moving to join Russia, Koltashov said. "People won't fall into depression, they'll resist … and this may take on a pro-Russian tone, not because Russia is good and is calling them to do it, but because people see Crimea joining Russia as a way to jump off a burning train, to get out of the Ukrainian crisis."

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« Reply #165 on: March 27, 2014, 04:39:17 PM »
Vote by U.N. General Assembly Isolates Russia
NY Times


lobal condemnation of Russia’s annexation of Crimea, Ukraine and its Western backers persuaded a large majority of countries in the United Nations General Assembly on Thursday to dismiss the annexation as illegal, even as Russia sought to rally world support for the idea of self-determination.

The resolution, proposed by Ukraine and backed by the United States and the European Union, represented the latest effort to isolate President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia over the annexation, which followed a March 16 referendum in the peninsula that has been internationally regarded as Ukrainian territory.

The resolution garnered 100 votes in favor, 11 votes against, with 58 abstentions. The two-page text does not identify Russia by name, but describes the referendum as “having no validity” and calls on countries not to recognize the redrawing of Ukraine’s borders.

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100  in favour,  11 no votes and 58 abstensions .
 There are 193 countries  in the UN, what happened to the other 24 countries?

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« Reply #166 on: March 27, 2014, 04:43:05 PM »
Vote by U.N. General Assembly Isolates Russia
NY Times


lobal condemnation of Russia’s annexation of Crimea, Ukraine and its Western backers persuaded a large majority of countries in the United Nations General Assembly on Thursday to dismiss the annexation as illegal, even as Russia sought to rally world support for the idea of self-determination.

The resolution, proposed by Ukraine and backed by the United States and the European Union, represented the latest effort to isolate President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia over the annexation, which followed a March 16 referendum in the peninsula that has been internationally regarded as Ukrainian territory.

The resolution garnered 100 votes in favor, 11 votes against, with 58 abstentions. The two-page text does not identify Russia by name, but describes the referendum as “having no validity” and calls on countries not to recognize the redrawing of Ukraine’s borders.

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look russia's european "ally"  :rotfl:

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« Reply #167 on: March 27, 2014, 05:31:30 PM »
... Wisely deploy de lil residue of sense yuh have nah.

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« Reply #168 on: March 27, 2014, 07:20:49 PM »
There are 193 countries  in the UN, what happened to the other 24 countries?

The other 24 did not want to be involved. But 100 voted in favour. You not satisfied?
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« Reply #169 on: March 28, 2014, 08:14:33 AM »
Germany standing right by their allies there, not one of whom is Russia :p

Interesting comparing the BRIC and MINT countries - these being the big non-Western countries predicted to be important by Jim O'Neil in 2001 and 2011 respectively. BRIC, Brazil, Russia, India and China all abstained, whilst MINT, Mexico, Indonesia, Nigeria and Turkey all voted in favour.

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« Reply #170 on: March 28, 2014, 08:35:43 AM »
... Wisely deploy de lil residue of sense yuh have nah.

yeah attentionseeker, ah will forego your brand of wisdom. evidence indicates it eh really working for you. but i appreciate the unusually direct riposte instead of your typical obliqueness. that is for you a step in the right direction.

 

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« Reply #171 on: March 28, 2014, 08:37:27 AM »
It's coming back to what I said before, until half baked come with his bull as usual. It boils down to oil and gas and the dependency on Russia and their natural resources. China will gladly come on board...

contro, obama is trying to pivot to asia and now look like putin pivoting as well.

who have more pull in asia?

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« Reply #172 on: March 28, 2014, 10:05:47 AM »
... Wisely deploy de lil residue of sense yuh have nah.

yeah attentionseeker, ah will forego your brand of wisdom. evidence indicates it eh really working for you. but i appreciate the unusually direct riposte instead of your typical obliqueness. that is for you a step in the right direction.

You should happy be to receive ANY brand ah wisdom ...  :devil: it beats ... what did Bakes call it? ... oh yes, [yuh normal] pack ah ass!!!

For my part, I jes glad you know the word "riposte" ... the fact that you can spell it is an additional delight. Saves you from another direct one.  :rotfl:

Incidentally, yuh figure out the juxtaposition I assigned yuh last week? Or yuh want to sweep that under the carpet?

There's absolutely NO surprise as to the German "vote". Aside from that, hopefully you applied your selective discernment to recognize that no European nation voted otherwise (none abstained and none in the negative) ... what does that tell you? Moreover, look at the expected political composition of the "no vote" and reformulate your understanding of vote alignment in the international arena.

Save the cheap shots fuh when ah run is actually on, and yuh not stranded at the non-striker end.
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« Reply #173 on: March 28, 2014, 10:33:19 AM »
Germany standing right by their allies there, not one of whom is Russia :p

Interesting comparing the BRIC and MINT countries - these being the big non-Western countries predicted to be important by Jim O'Neil in 2001 and 2011 respectively. BRIC, Brazil, Russia, India and China all abstained, whilst MINT, Mexico, Indonesia, Nigeria and Turkey all voted in favour.

What's your dilemma?

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« Reply #174 on: March 28, 2014, 02:31:29 PM »
Germany standing right by their allies there, not one of whom is Russia :p

Interesting comparing the BRIC and MINT countries - these being the big non-Western countries predicted to be important by Jim O'Neil in 2001 and 2011 respectively. BRIC, Brazil, Russia, India and China all abstained, whilst MINT, Mexico, Indonesia, Nigeria and Turkey all voted in favour.

What's your dilemma?

I don't have a dilemma? My thoughts are that the BRIC (minus Russia) countries are powerful enough not to have to listen to America, whilst the MINT aren't there yet. Might also be suggestive of the ideological differences between the two, although there's not enough evidence for that.

You should check out Kuziemko and Werker - they did a paper basically showing how America bribes the Security council - http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/06-029.pdf it's the reason I don't donate to UNICEF. 

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« Reply #175 on: March 28, 2014, 02:40:22 PM »
Germany standing right by their allies there, not one of whom is Russia :p

Interesting comparing the BRIC and MINT countries - these being the big non-Western countries predicted to be important by Jim O'Neil in 2001 and 2011 respectively. BRIC, Brazil, Russia, India and China all abstained, whilst MINT, Mexico, Indonesia, Nigeria and Turkey all voted in favour.

What's your dilemma?

I don't have a dilemma? My thoughts are that the BRIC (minus Russia) countries are powerful enough not to have to listen to America, whilst the MINT aren't there yet. Might also be suggestive of the ideological differences between the two, although there's not enough evidence for that.

You should check out Kuziemko and Werker - they did a paper basically showing how America bribes the Security council - http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/06-029.pdf it's the reason I don't donate to UNICEF. 

Surely you appreciate the significance and effect of abstaining ...

 

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« Reply #176 on: March 28, 2014, 06:11:34 PM »
Germany standing right by their allies there, not one of whom is Russia :p

Interesting comparing the BRIC and MINT countries - these being the big non-Western countries predicted to be important by Jim O'Neil in 2001 and 2011 respectively. BRIC, Brazil, Russia, India and China all abstained, whilst MINT, Mexico, Indonesia, Nigeria and Turkey all voted in favour.

What's your dilemma?

I don't have a dilemma? My thoughts are that the BRIC (minus Russia) countries are powerful enough not to have to listen to America, whilst the MINT aren't there yet. Might also be suggestive of the ideological differences between the two, although there's not enough evidence for that.

You should check out Kuziemko and Werker - they did a paper basically showing how America bribes the Security council - http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/06-029.pdf it's the reason I don't donate to UNICEF. 

Surely you appreciate the significance and effect of abstaining ...

I do - that's my point. The bit about Kuziemko and Werker was more something that you might find interesting.

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Re: A premature history of the second Cold War and Putin
« Reply #177 on: March 28, 2014, 07:45:47 PM »
 At the end of the day , the countries that voted against ,  abstained or were not even present  represented more than half of the worlds population and as such  this cannot be a victory for the yes side.
 Sick and tired of hearing the French   ,the UK and the US       or F UK US always chimed   that the world  opinion is against this of that . Since when the worlds opinion is represented by America and Europe?.and as for the yes side who gives a shit about how St Kitts  Nevis , Tuvalu  or the Maldives voted 

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Re: A premature history of the second Cold War and Putin
« Reply #178 on: March 29, 2014, 04:56:43 PM »
... Wisely deploy de lil residue of sense yuh have nah.

yeah attentionseeker, ah will forego your brand of wisdom. evidence indicates it eh really working for you. but i appreciate the unusually direct riposte instead of your typical obliqueness. that is for you a step in the right direction.

You should happy be to receive ANY brand ah wisdom ...  :devil: it beats ... what did Bakes call it? ... oh yes, [yuh normal] pack ah ass!!!

For my part, I jes glad you know the word "riposte" ... the fact that you can spell it is an additional delight. Saves you from another direct one.  :rotfl:

Incidentally, yuh figure out the juxtaposition I assigned yuh last week? Or yuh want to sweep that under the carpet?

There's absolutely NO surprise as to the German "vote". Aside from that, hopefully you applied your selective discernment to recognize that no European nation voted otherwise (none abstained and none in the negative) ... what does that tell you? Moreover, look at the expected political composition of the "no vote" and reformulate your understanding of vote alignment in the international arena.

Save the cheap shots fuh when ah run is actually on, and yuh not stranded at the non-striker end.

attentionseeker yuh clearly do not understand how credibility work. you have no credibility. when you demonstrate a better grasp of the material i'll address your comments. until then i will not waste time on your deflection.

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Re: A premature history of the second Cold War and Putin
« Reply #179 on: March 29, 2014, 05:48:46 PM »
ah nearly choke when ah hear muh boy kerry pointing fingers talkin bout "invasion under false claims". babylon have zero shame in dey mout.

What should he be ashamed of?

babylon (and its overseas spokesperson) - iraq? ...or you pick one. grenada sounds like the lines russia is using. same lines used in panama too.
the once circling the net have the same thrust as this http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2013/09/201395758918848.html

 

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