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Pro-League footballers lament poor salaries.
« on: May 01, 2014, 01:54:58 AM »
Pro-League footballers lament poor salaries.
By Sean Nero (Guardian).


Footballers in the T&T Pro-League yesterday complained bitterly over the paltry pay packets they receive from their clubs. They quoted the sum of $3,500 and said investing for their future was not as easy as many will like to believe.

Much of the money earned, they said, was used to reinvest in their personal development and that their involvement in the sport hinged on their passion with the ultimate goal of being signed to a leading international club.

The athletes shared their frustrations at a financial advisory seminar hosted by majority owned state-owned bank First Citizens and the TT Pro-League with the theme Financial Planning, Investment and Savings held at Digicel IMAX at One Woodbrook Place, St James.

In a unified voice they told FC investment and financial planners of their difficulty at saving and questioned whether it was even possible to do so considering that club contracts were also short term.

In an immediate response Dexter Skeene, president of the TT Pro-League said the issue of boosting salaries was not within the League’s ambit, citing that the outfit served only as the administrator of professional football.

Professional football, he said, was a business which made each club a business entity.

“The clubs are each responsible for being profitable for the remuneration of each of their players and that is on a one-on-one basis. There has to be a paradigm shift in terms of the mentality and the way we see things. When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

“We need to understand that–the players, as well as the coaches and the owners–they are the owners of their business. The better they do, their businesses becomes more successful. Once we begin to look at things in this way people would see the need to raise the performance level at all ends and ensure that people come out at the end of the day to support,” said Skeene.

“More support would mean more revenue at the gates and more gate (receipts) would mean further revenue in terms of the television (rights) the whole marketing of it and the merchandising and all of the add on effects when you look at the revenue streams that comes from professional football and successfully run professional football leagues. Once we begin to understand the mechanics of a successful, and a profitable, and a viable professional football league, things would get easier.

“It’s a young League still and there will be teething pains like any other industry or any other business that is now developing. All of this is part of the growth and development. We are very hopeful and are optimistic that as we continue and have more sessions like these and people begin to understand more about the business side of it, things will start to pick up and the salaries will improve as we go along.”

Krystal Attim-Philip, loans supervisor/marketing at First Citizens underscored the need for the bank to deliver presentations of this type with greater frequency citing that players are focused solely on being signed internationally and ultimately securing hefty pay cheques.

“But that may not be the reality. A lot of them are thinking that something would happen in the future and they would be set for life. This may be so for some. What they need to take into consideration is what if that doesn’t happen. That is why we came in here today, to speak to them and at least prepare for the unexpected. What happens in the event that you do not get a contract?

Something happens to you physically? What do you do in a situation like that? What do you do after the Pro League? Are you prepared for retirement? Do you have funds put aside? Do you want to live comfortably? Every year we sponsor them (Pro League) and we don’t want that these players living hand-to-mouth at the end of their TT Pro League life. We want them to have something to look forward too! …A comfortable retirement!” she said.

“Yes! A lot of them are playing football for the love and the passion, but they need to find a balance between loving the sport, doing the sport and living comfortably. One of the players commented that a lot of them were well educated and they are doing it for the love and the passion. They seem passionate about the sport, but they need to transfer that passion to their lives.

“We have started these seminars in order to make them more aware. It is not a one off thing because from everything we said today, not everything would stay. Certain things will stand out to certain people and they will carry that forward. They will try, but if it’s not reinforced they will lose focus.”

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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2014, 05:31:34 AM »
so where's your union pro team players?

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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2014, 07:12:18 AM »
Salaries are definitely too low for many. However, until revenue streams improve, this will not improve. The players, themselves, can help to build the sport, but some seem to feel that is not their role. But it's their careers, and if they sit back, things won't improve. If every player encouraged 2 members of his family and two friends to attend matches, there would be another TT$8,000 taken at the gate of a double header. I'm not saying that call clubs would automatically raise salaries, but in order to compete, they would need to make the effort.

On another note, TT$3,500 isn't a bad salary for a 19 or 20 year old working 15-20 hours per week when you recognise that the job itself is more enjoyable than working at a fast food outlet for 35 hours on less money. I'm not trying to make excuses for the clubs, but there are 100 times more people working in the food industry on lower pay. Difference is that in football, you can improve your salary and take it up to TT$10,000 (and if you go overseas, you can earn more than the Prime Minister!).

I think that clubs should be offering longer contracts to players (aside from first year pros). Not only does this give the player and the club stability, it actually increases his market value.

Finally, having held many such seminars and personal financial sessions, whether a guy plays for Central F.C. or Chelsea F.C. it is extremely difficult to get players to focus on pensions and saving. These are young guys in a very different work pattern with few job responsibilities. How many guys do you know who took out a personal pension before the age of 30? Which is why the PFA gave free non contributory pensions in England. That should be the goal in T&T. 

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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2014, 08:02:05 AM »
It is the duty of the players to focus on their development on the field; marketing matters should rest with league franchises and the Pro League executive team.  Skeene was quick to say that salary issues rest with the individual league entities, but that is bull.  The Pro League has the power to implement a minimum salary requirement on owners, but this will not happen without pressure from a legitimate players union.  These are some of the same players that fail to support their players association, for fear of reprisal from the former TTFA regime.  The Pro League has to be more enterprising in attracting corporate sponsorship to the league, although this will not happen until the league really presents itself as a professional entity and not one without a proper vision.  Increased sponsorship at the Pro League centralized level will eventually trickle down to the teams, but this is some way off.  Until the Pro League addresses the business management aspects of running a successful league, players will continue to receive such treatment.

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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2014, 08:08:38 AM »
More sponsorship money reaching the clubs won't necessarily equate to higher salaries. The ethos of the clubs need to change so that players are valued more. However, the players must also value themselves higher. Stop playing minor league, for example! As in any relationship, respect must come from both sides, and all stakeholders need to work collectively to improve the status of each individual component. (That sounds very Marxist!!)

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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2014, 09:25:26 AM »
so where's your union pro team players?

Some form of union or association has to formed. But the players have to be committed to support it. How will Police and DF fit in the union. They are public owned teams. If the players decide to strike, what would DF and Police do?
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2014, 09:38:04 AM »
This woman make out dem fellas off de bat.


Pro-League footballers lament poor salaries.
By Sean Nero (Guardian).


Krystal Attim-Philip, loans supervisor/marketing at First Citizens underscored the need for the bank to deliver presentations of this type with greater frequency citing that players are focused solely on being signed internationally and ultimately securing hefty pay cheques.

But that may not be the reality. A lot of them are thinking that something would happen in the future and they would be set for life. This may be so for some. What they need to take into consideration is what if that doesn’t happen. That is why we came in here today, to speak to them and at least prepare for the unexpected. What happens in the event that you do not get a contract?


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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2014, 11:16:44 AM »
It is the duty of the players to focus on their development on the field; marketing matters should rest with league franchises and the Pro League executive team.  Skeene was quick to say that salary issues rest with the individual league entities, but that is bull. The Pro League has the power to implement a minimum salary requirement on owners, but this will not happen without pressure from a legitimate players union.  These are some of the same players that fail to support their players association, for fear of reprisal from the former TTFA regime.  The Pro League has to be more enterprising in attracting corporate sponsorship to the league, although this will not happen until the league really presents itself as a professional entity and not one without a proper vision.  Increased sponsorship at the Pro League centralized level will eventually trickle down to the teams, but this is some way off.  Until the Pro League addresses the business management aspects of running a successful league, players will continue to receive such treatment.

Not so sure... as this borders on collusion.  It would be different if there was a union (as Royal insinuated) and this was negotiated as part of a CBA
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2014, 02:50:13 PM »
Now allyuh see why the "rich" people in TT doh want their children to follow this kind ah wuk!

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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2014, 05:16:27 PM »
It is the duty of the players to focus on their development on the field; marketing matters should rest with league franchises and the Pro League executive team.  Skeene was quick to say that salary issues rest with the individual league entities, but that is bull.  The Pro League has the power to implement a minimum salary requirement on owners, but this will not happen without pressure from a legitimate players union.  These are some of the same players that fail to support their players association, for fear of reprisal from the former TTFA regime.  The Pro League has to be more enterprising in attracting corporate sponsorship to the league, although this will not happen until the league really presents itself as a professional entity and not one without a proper vision.  Increased sponsorship at the Pro League centralized level will eventually trickle down to the teams, but this is some way off.  Until the Pro League addresses the business management aspects of running a successful league, players will continue to receive such treatment.

Actually, this is not correct. The owners ARE the Pro League. So if they don't want a minimum salary, it doesn't matter what Dexter Skeene thinks.

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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2014, 05:41:04 PM »
It is the duty of the players to focus on their development on the field; marketing matters should rest with league franchises and the Pro League executive team.  Skeene was quick to say that salary issues rest with the individual league entities, but that is bull.  The Pro League has the power to implement a minimum salary requirement on owners, but this will not happen without pressure from a legitimate players union.  These are some of the same players that fail to support their players association, for fear of reprisal from the former TTFA regime.  The Pro League has to be more enterprising in attracting corporate sponsorship to the league, although this will not happen until the league really presents itself as a professional entity and not one without a proper vision.  Increased sponsorship at the Pro League centralized level will eventually trickle down to the teams, but this is some way off.  Until the Pro League addresses the business management aspects of running a successful league, players will continue to receive such treatment.

Actually, this is not correct. The owners ARE the Pro League. So if they don't want a minimum salary, it doesn't matter what Dexter Skeene thinks.

Be specific?

From what I understanding here, every club in de pro league own de league?

So 100% divided equally by 9 clubs?

You pay de entry fee and you automatically own a share in de league then?

So we have 9 bosses to deal with, so when Harry say we want this and Larry say f00ck off then what will happen, who go get de final say?

So teams like W Connection who here from de beginning have more say?

So what is Larry Romany and Dexter Skeene real purpose?

What exactly do they do?

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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2014, 07:19:36 PM »
Sam, I keep coming back to Police and DF. They are part owners in the league who salaries are not affected by whatever the league does. Those 2 teams can go in North football, their salaries are not affected. The fact real issue is this league needs about 4 or 5 local companies with long term(at least 5 years)  financial and marketing commitment to support the league. I don't see any other way. The league also has to stop with their now for now changes of venues and dates. If they do get sponsors, have them build smaller facilities where the team can truly have HOME and AWAY fixtures.

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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2014, 07:25:53 PM »
Actually, this is not correct. The owners ARE the Pro League. So if they don't want a minimum salary, it doesn't matter what Dexter Skeene thinks.

The owners ARE NOT the Pro League... the owners are interchangeable (and dispensable) parts of a trade association, the trade association is the Pro League.

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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2014, 07:42:13 PM »
It is the duty of the players to focus on their development on the field; marketing matters should rest with league franchises and the Pro League executive team.  Skeene was quick to say that salary issues rest with the individual league entities, but that is bull.  The Pro League has the power to implement a minimum salary requirement on owners, but this will not happen without pressure from a legitimate players union.  These are some of the same players that fail to support their players association, for fear of reprisal from the former TTFA regime.  The Pro League has to be more enterprising in attracting corporate sponsorship to the league, although this will not happen until the league really presents itself as a professional entity and not one without a proper vision.  Increased sponsorship at the Pro League centralized level will eventually trickle down to the teams, but this is some way off.  Until the Pro League addresses the business management aspects of running a successful league, players will continue to receive such treatment.

Actually, this is not correct. The owners ARE the Pro League. So if they don't want a minimum salary, it doesn't matter what Dexter Skeene thinks.

Be specific?

From what I understanding here, every club in de pro league own de league?

So 100% divided equally by 9 clubs?

You pay de entry fee and you automatically own a share in de league then?

So we have 9 bosses to deal with, so when Harry say we want this and Larry say f00ck off then what will happen, who go get de final say?

So teams like W Connection who here from de beginning have more say?

So what is Larry Romany and Dexter Skeene real purpose?

What exactly do they do?

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=62129.msg893035#msg893035



Sam, its the same as any company where equity is owned by shareholders. Each board member has a vote. The CEO operates on a day to day basis while the board makes the major policy decisions with the Chairman or President being a paid official with a casting vote only.

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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2014, 07:44:06 PM »
Actually, this is not correct. The owners ARE the Pro League. So if they don't want a minimum salary, it doesn't matter what Dexter Skeene thinks.

The owners ARE NOT the Pro League... the owners are interchangeable (and dispensable) parts of a trade association, the trade association is the Pro League.

Not sure about dispensable. Maybe one individual, but if the league loses two or three it would be a problem for the remainder.

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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2014, 08:18:53 PM »
Not sure about dispensable. Maybe one individual, but if the league loses two or three it would be a problem for the remainder.

The owners are both intechangeable and dispensable... even the teams are, otherwise promotion/relegation would not work.  That being said, Rudyard Kipling's quote applies to the League as well... "the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack."

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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2014, 02:05:20 AM »
Not sure about dispensable. Maybe one individual, but if the league loses two or three it would be a problem for the remainder.

The owners are both intechangeable and dispensable... even the teams are, otherwise promotion/relegation would not work.  That being said, Rudyard Kipling's quote applies to the League as well... "the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack."

Bakes, the league never had promotion and relegation...

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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2014, 08:42:21 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong here....but isn't the pro league mandated minimum salary $2000?

Also, $3500 isn't the worst salary one can get in TT. I think the problem is exactly as the FCB rep stated....players waiting on the golden contract.


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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2014, 09:02:59 AM »
So how much a foreign player gets, including everything, from housing, food and other stuff?

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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2014, 09:18:32 AM »
So how much a foreign player gets, including everything, from housing, food and other stuff?



Actually, they tend to be less expensive. The accommodation costs are already covered if the club rents or owns apartments. If you include accommodation (which many local players don't require) you can get a decent foreign player for less than a local equivalent. Things like food and transport will be the players responsibility.

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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2014, 09:19:13 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong here....but isn't the pro league mandated minimum salary $2000?

Also, $3500 isn't the worst salary one can get in TT. I think the problem is exactly as the FCB rep stated....players waiting on the golden contract.



I think it increased, but there is a break point for over 23's.

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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2014, 09:22:24 AM »
So how much a foreign player gets, including everything, from housing, food and other stuff?



Actually, they tend to be less expensive. The accommodation costs are already covered if the club rents or owns apartments. If you include accommodation (which many local players don't require) you can get a decent foreign player for less than a local equivalent. Things like food and transport will be the players responsibility.

Now I understand why W Connection imports so many St Lucians and other small island players including Suriname and Colombia.

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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2014, 10:22:43 AM »

Bakes, the league never had promotion and relegation...

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I was speaking generally about football leagues, but I didn't know this abou the Pro League, so correction noted.  The general point still stands though, teams can come and go as the League and their individual ownership decides.

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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2014, 10:57:55 AM »
Amazing that an oil rich nation such as ours could have "professionals" being paid 2000 dollars a month. Please carry on trinis, being happy, party loving and delusional people.

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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2014, 06:12:11 PM »
If so do they get a decent pay?

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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2014, 07:55:48 PM »
I. MLS ROSTER COMPOSITION

A Major League Soccer club’s first team roster is comprised of up to 30 players. All 30 players are eligible for selection to each 18-player game-day squad during the regular season and playoffs.

Salary & Budget:

- Players occupying roster spots 1-20 count against the club’s 2012 salary budget of $2,810,000, and are referred to collectively as the club’s Salary Budget Players.
- Roster spots 19 and 20 are not required to be filled, and teams may spread their salary budget across only 18 Salary Budget Players.  A minimum salary budget charge will be imputed against a team’s salary budget for each unfilled senior roster slot below 18.
- The maximum budget charge for a single player is $350,000.*
- A Designated Player over the age of 23 counts as $350,000 against the club’s salary budget, unless the player joins his club in the middle of the season, in which case his budget charge will be $175,000.
- A Designated Player 20 years old or younger** (referred to as Young Designated Players or Young DPs) to  counts as $150,000 against the club’s salary budget
- A Designated Player 21-23 years old** counts as $200,000 against the club’s salary budget.
- The budget charge for the midseason signing of a Young DP is $150,000 and this amount cannot be lowered with allocation funds.
- Clubs will not have to buy the third DP roster slot to accommodate a Young Designated Player whereas clubs are normally required to buy that slot for a one-time fee of $250,000.
- Clubs are responsible for all amounts above the budget charge for all Designated Players.
* See section entitled Allocation Money below, under Player Acquisition Mechanisms, for details on buying down a player’s budget charge.
** Age of player is determined by year (not date) of birth.

Players occupying roster spots 21-30 do not count against the club’s salary budget, and are referred to collectively as the club’s Off-Budget Players (maximum of 10 per team).
- All Generation adidas players are Off-Budget players.
- Players occupying roster spots 1-24 will earn at least $44,000 in 2012.
- Players occupying roster spots 25-30 will earn at least $33,750 in 2012.
- Clubs may elect to leave up to two of these roster spots (25-30) vacant and use $35,000 for each empty spot as allocation money.
- Clubs may sign up to two Homegrown Players contracts above the minimum salary and similar to - Generation adidas player contract amounts.

Age Designations:

Any player making $33,750 must be under the age 25 (does not turn 25 or older in 2012).
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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2014, 08:04:23 PM »
 
Amazing that an oil rich nation such as ours could have "professionals" being paid 2000 dollars a month. Please carry on trinis, being happy, party loving and delusional people.

Amazing that a war rich nation such as ours could have "professionals" being paid $44,000 a year in NYC or LA.
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« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2014, 09:24:18 PM »
Amazing that a former flight attendant could drive a e series benz and run three successful business because of her relationship with a minister. Amazing that tax payers money could be used to fund these businesses and also trips overseas.

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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2014, 10:02:21 PM »
Amazing that, Jack Warner, not calling any names, a politician in Trinidad could wuk for $1 a year.
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« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2014, 10:03:34 PM »
Now allyuh see why the "rich" people in TT doh want their children to follow this kind ah wuk!

That's another thing. Are we holding our black youths accountable?  These are grown adults who should be contributing to their families and earning a livable income. That money is just not enough. How are they covering living expenses etc making that kind of money? Don't they want to be able to afford a mortgage someday and have a family of their own. They are in the twilight of their lives and making pocket change. The majority of these players are black. I could never see any other race allowing their children to earn such little money whilst playing a sport for a living. This is a country with free tertiary education. I really hope that they are also accessing these opportunities. That big contract is rare in today's sport.

 

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