March 29, 2024, 02:36:16 AM

Author Topic: wdf happening in hong kong?  (Read 3854 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ribbit

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 4294
  • T & T We Want A Goal !
    • View Profile
wdf happening in hong kong?
« on: September 29, 2014, 09:52:47 PM »
any trinis in hong kong? will the protests blow over or is this heading towards a next tianammen?

ah hear china dragging their feet on reforms. the communist party trying to keep their finger in the election and HK telling dem to 4k away with dat.

Offline Deeks

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 18631
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2014, 05:30:09 PM »
The Dragon eh start to dance yet! It only scoping out the scene. When it ready is bootoo in the dey head.

Offline Dutty

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 9578
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2014, 09:16:59 PM »
The Dragon eh start to dance yet! It only scoping out the scene. When it ready is bootoo in the dey head.

Ent!

But if dem communists decide to crackdown....ah wonder if de brits go poke dey nose in,, under the 'umbrella' of protecting their nationals and/or business interests
Little known fact: The online transportation medium called Uber was pioneered in Trinidad & Tobago in the 1960's. It was originally called pullin bull.

Offline elan

  • Go On ......Get In There!!!!!!!!
  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 11629
  • WaRRioR fOr LiFe!!!!!
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 11:27:45 AM »
The Dragon eh start to dance yet! It only scoping out the scene. When it ready is bootoo in the dey head.

Ent!

But if dem communists decide to crackdown....ah wonder if de brits go poke dey nose in,, under the 'umbrella' of protecting their nationals and/or business interests

Never, no one will intervene. They will grand charge, talk all they want. But the Brits, the Germans, the US, an Alliance, nada.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/blUSVALW_Z4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/blUSVALW_Z4</a>

Offline asylumseeker

  • Moderator
  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 18073
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2014, 02:35:54 PM »
The Dragon eh start to dance yet! It only scoping out the scene. When it ready is bootoo in the dey head.

Ent!

But if dem communists decide to crackdown....ah wonder if de brits go poke dey nose in,, under the 'umbrella' of protecting their nationals and/or business interests

Never, no one will intervene. They will grand charge, talk all they want. But the Brits, the Germans, the US, an Alliance, nada.

The PM's Chief of Staff was an advisor to the last Governor of Hong Kong ... and with that Cameron has been delivering platitudes only. China gets a wide berth and deference from the West. Business interests will be protected without provocation of China.

Offline Ramgoat

  • Full Warrior
  • ***
  • Posts: 147
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2014, 08:10:49 PM »
 Hope that the authorities clamp down on this  bunch  of malcontents with an iron fist

socafighter

  • Guest
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2014, 08:19:21 PM »
Hope that the authorities clamp down on this  bunch  of malcontents with an iron fist

Thanks for the cheap shots you took at me ..Kwami... ;D

Offline Deeks

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 18631
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2014, 10:21:43 PM »
Hope that the authorities clamp down on this  bunch  of malcontents with an iron fist

China will get their way on HK. It is inevitable. The agreement signed by the Brits and Beijing was always in Beijing's favor. But to call the protesters malcontents is kind of weird. So they must submit to the heavy hand of the Communists like sheep to the slaughter?

Offline ribbit

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 4294
  • T & T We Want A Goal !
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2014, 11:31:07 AM »
a co-worker heading there next week. the property market in HK is mental. dem rich chinese buying up everything. de chinese dream is "get rich and ride out".

Offline Toppa

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 5518
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2014, 11:57:17 AM »
Hope that the authorities clamp down on this  bunch  of malcontents with an iron fist

China will get their way on HK. It is inevitable. The agreement signed by the Brits and Beijing was always in Beijing's favor. But to call the protesters malcontents is kind of weird. So they must submit to the heavy hand of the Communists like sheep to the slaughter?

And after 17 years living under Basic Law, as negotiated between the British and mainland China, they suddenly decide this isnt fair? How representative are these  protesters anyway?
www.westindiantube.com

Check it out - it real bad!

Offline Bakes

  • Promethean...
  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 21980
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2014, 12:23:18 PM »
And after 17 years living under Basic Law, as negotiated between the British and mainland China, they suddenly decide this isnt fair? How representative are these  protesters anyway?

Is there some kinda time limit on how long people should put up with non-representation and suppression of individual rights?  I mean, who were the slaves to stand up and fight for freedom after 250 years of living in a chattel system as negotiated by African and European slavers?

Offline Toppa

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 5518
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2014, 01:26:56 PM »
And after 17 years living under Basic Law, as negotiated between the British and mainland China, they suddenly decide this isnt fair? How representative are these  protesters anyway?

Is there some kinda time limit on how long people should put up with non-representation and suppression of individual rights?  I mean, who were the slaves to stand up and fight for freedom after 250 years of living in a chattel system as negotiated by African and European slavers?

What an apt comparison...

Are these protests "spontaneous" and representative of most people in Hong Kong?

Anyway, nothing is going to come out of it.
www.westindiantube.com

Check it out - it real bad!

Offline Bakes

  • Promethean...
  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 21980
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2014, 03:18:34 PM »
And after 17 years living under Basic Law, as negotiated between the British and mainland China, they suddenly decide this isnt fair? How representative are these  protesters anyway?

Is there some kinda time limit on how long people should put up with non-representation and suppression of individual rights?  I mean, who were the slaves to stand up and fight for freedom after 250 years of living in a chattel system as negotiated by African and European slavers?

What an apt comparison...

Are these protests "spontaneous" and representative of most people in Hong Kong?

Anyway, nothing is going to come out of it.

Oppression by any other name is still oppression, everything doesn't have to be a like-for-like comparison because that's not how the real world operates.  As to whether the protests are "spontaneous and representative"... that's even more silliness.  The Civil Rights marches in the US in the sixties were neither spontaneous nor representative.  They were highly organized, premeditated and coordination included bussing in 'protesters' from northern cities, to go march in southern communities.  Those communities were overwhelmingly white and opposed to the purpose of the marches, and the marches themselves.  Yet for all of this, change was necessary and undoubtedly has been to the benefit of everyone, including those opposed to it 50 years ago.

Offline Toppa

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 5518
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2014, 04:29:57 PM »
Oh God...ok.
www.westindiantube.com

Check it out - it real bad!

Offline Toppa

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 5518
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2014, 06:44:02 PM »
National Democratic Institute for International Affairs
$460,000
To foster awareness regarding Hong Kong's political institutions and constitutional reform process and to develop the capacity of citizens - particularly university students - to more effectively participate in the public debate on political reform, NDI will work with civil society organizations on parliamentary monitoring, a survey, and development of an Internet portal, allowing students and citizens to explore possible reforms leading to universal suffrage.

http://www.ned.org/publications/annual-reports/2012-annual-report/asia/china-hong-kong

As I said, I wonder how "spontaneous" and representative of the majority these protests really are.

Pivot to Asia indeed.
www.westindiantube.com

Check it out - it real bad!

Offline Bakes

  • Promethean...
  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 21980
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2014, 09:56:35 PM »
Oh God...ok.

You have to forgive me is not everyday I encounter somebody with anti-democratic sentiments.

Offline Toppa

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 5518
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2014, 11:27:50 PM »
Oh God...ok.

You have to forgive me is not everyday I encounter somebody with anti-democratic sentiments.

I think you're trying to bait me into an argument, because I'm sure you don't hold such a simplistic view of the situation.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2014, 11:32:39 PM by Toppa »
www.westindiantube.com

Check it out - it real bad!

Offline Bakes

  • Promethean...
  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 21980
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2014, 12:47:24 AM »
I think you're trying to bait me into an argument, because I'm sure you don't hold such a simplistic view of the situation.

Not at all... I'm just reacting to your dismissal of the gravity of the situation to the protesters and seemingly the sincerity of their beliefs:

Quote
And after 17 years living under Basic Law, as negotiated between the British and mainland China, they suddenly decide this isnt fair? How representative are these  protesters anyway?

The insinuation is that the concerns are either trendy, fleeting or otherwise superficial.  Not only that, but the predicate clause suggests a deference for precedence/the status quo, which at it's core, is anti-democratic.

Offline asylumseeker

  • Moderator
  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 18073
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2014, 06:38:15 AM »
National Democratic Institute for International Affairs
$460,000
To foster awareness regarding Hong Kong's political institutions and constitutional reform process and to develop the capacity of citizens - particularly university students - to more effectively participate in the public debate on political reform, NDI will work with civil society organizations on parliamentary monitoring, a survey, and development of an Internet portal, allowing students and citizens to explore possible reforms leading to universal suffrage.

http://www.ned.org/publications/annual-reports/2012-annual-report/asia/china-hong-kong

As I said, I wonder how "spontaneous" and representative of the majority these protests really are.

Pivot to Asia indeed.

What do you consider the issue here? (Incidentally, this is the sort of work that NDI and IRI conduct all over the planet).

Offline Deeks

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 18631
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2014, 03:42:23 PM »
Article from CNN/buisness.

Hong Kong's real significance these days is in the services and stability it offers multinational companies and China itself.

China is the world's second largest recipient of foreign direct investment, and nearly two-thirds of that flows through Hong Kong.
 

One major selling point is Hong Kong's ironclad rule of law and its independent judiciary. Businesses place an enormous amount of faith in the city's ability to resolve disputes fairly. They have no such faith in China's courts.

Hong Kong also plays a valuable role in China's efforts to promote the yuan as a trusted -- and traded -- currency. The city has a thriving market, for example, for bonds denominated in yuan.


Mistrust of Beijing

Despite the close ties between the kissing cousins, more than 56% of Hong Kong residents have lost confidence in the "one country, two systems" arrangement that provides the basis for Beijing rule. As recently as 2007, nearly 80% of residents said they were confident in the deal struck between China and the U.K.

The issue drawing most attention at present is the procedure for selecting Hong Kong's chief executive. But there are other signs of fissure: Many Hong Kong residents are upset over rising property prices fueled by mainland buyers, and their consumption of social services.

If relations were to become even more strained, Hong Kong and China will pay a high price.

Offline Deeks

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 18631
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2014, 03:43:21 PM »
This from a CNN news blogger.

Part of the reason for HK being such a successful port is that foreign businesses have been able to operate there easily; knowing that their business agreements
 are solid, not like doing business in mainland China, where contracts mean virtually nothing and doing business there is akin to walking blindfolded through a
field of land mines and treasure boxes - you never know what you're going to get, and even if you get what you wanted, you could easily be deceived or swindled
 at any time by associates you thought you could trust. (Speaking not from personal experience, but the experiences of many of my Asian friends who do business in China.)
 If mainland gets its way and effectively takes that certainty away, it could have devastating consequences to HK's business vitality.

Offline Ramgoat

  • Full Warrior
  • ***
  • Posts: 147
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2014, 08:11:52 PM »
 The Hong Kong  authorities handled the protests with remarkable restraint .
 Imagine if it was the NYPD 

Offline ribbit

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 4294
  • T & T We Want A Goal !
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2014, 08:28:24 AM »
The Hong Kong  authorities handled the protests with remarkable restraint .
 Imagine if it was the NYPD 

dem cops from ferguson, mo

Offline Sando prince

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 9192
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2014, 09:10:44 AM »
The Hong Kong  authorities handled the protests with remarkable restraint .
Imagine if it was the NYPD 

good point

Offline Ramgoat

  • Full Warrior
  • ***
  • Posts: 147
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2014, 07:03:15 PM »
Hope that the authorities clamp down on this  bunch  of malcontents with an iron fist

China will get their way on HK. It is inevitable. The agreement signed by the Brits and Beijing was always in Beijing's favor. But to call the protesters malcontents is kind of weird. So they must submit to the heavy hand of the Communists like sheep to the slaughter?

And after 17 years living under Basic Law, as negotiated between the British and mainland China, they suddenly decide this isnt fair? How representative are these  protesters anyway?
They never protested against the British during their 98 year rule

Offline Deeks

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 18631
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2014, 07:31:25 PM »
Hope that the authorities clamp down on this  bunch  of malcontents with an iron fist

China will get their way on HK. It is inevitable. The agreement signed by the Brits and Beijing was always in Beijing's favor. But to call the protesters malcontents is kind of weird. So they must submit to the heavy hand of the Communists like sheep to the slaughter?

And after 17 years living under Basic Law, as negotiated between the British and mainland China, they suddenly decide this isnt fair? How representative are these  protesters anyway?
They never protested against the British during their 98 year rule

here you are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_1967_Leftist_riots

Offline Ramgoat

  • Full Warrior
  • ***
  • Posts: 147
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2014, 07:51:54 PM »
Started out as a  labor dispute  that morphed into a protest against British   rule in 67.
 Over 50 were killed by the security forces then. How many was  killed this time by the security  forces? 

Offline Deeks

  • Hero Warrior
  • *****
  • Posts: 18631
    • View Profile
Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2014, 09:59:48 PM »
what is your point?

 

1]; } ?>