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Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
« Reply #180 on: July 14, 2021, 12:59:36 AM »
So he decided to park the bus in advance
He play Phillips and mostly defenders and was going for a draw?

We couldn't string together 7 to 10 passes and couldn't dribble out the back but it was pure boom kick and clearing from the back.. we were lucky we were not down 2 or 3 nil tbh

That is not a masterclass, thats cowardly.. purposely playing for a Draw with Mexico is not what I call good football... its like he already did not have confidence to win which sounds like classic eve weak mentality

There was nothing to enjoy about that match where tt was constantly on the back foot from the beginning.. the midfield was non existent

Lemme guess, draw with Mexico and go for wins against the other teams?

Eve just lost my vote of confidence with that BS he pull, I don't care if we drew with Mexico it was bad tactics
 
Teams play to win tournaments. Points are awarded as follows: Win - 3 points, Draw -1 point. Losses - 0 points. (I am sure you now that)
I don't know you but if you are upset because Eve played to get a point in a game where he was overmatched in quality, talent, and experience, then either you are a mad man, you must think this was a fete match, or you have some personal motive to be a critic of Angus Eve.

Are you telling me that Eve should have played an open game with a traditional 442 or 433 line up and get a 5-0 drubbing?
The result is all that matters, not foolish bravado. Live to fight another day, not how you get there.

442 if used well and executed well can be a very defensive formation tbh.. Even having one drop back behind the target man can also work..

I have absolutely nothing personal against Eve, his tactical decisions is what I'm criticizing... now keep in mind ill give it to him we were under staffed and missing some key players but we also almost paid big time for his unorthodox approach..

It could have easily been two goals to nil for us.. Mexico 🇲🇽 had so many opportunities... I don't think we would have got 5 with the 442, it depends who's the holding mid for example... His non selection of Poon would have fixed that 442 formation for example if he had been selected..

I'm happy we got lucky but do I like what I saw, do I promote that type of football, NO I don't, its not something I support..



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Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
« Reply #181 on: July 14, 2021, 04:18:47 AM »
Just now catching up on the range of Mexican commentary regarding the match.  Among the comments: Jared Borgetti criticized Eve for playing antiquated football. Said it is high time, we raise our tactical sophistication.

On a separate note, he also criticized Tata for insisting on playing inverted wingers against an anchored Back 5 and block of 5+.

Borgetti is an advocate of Chicharito and although he acknowledged that Funes Mori did not have a poor match, he implied that Chicharito could have offered more. On the cobtrary, the program host described Chicharito as a cancer to the locker room.

Another commentator (Chelis) flat out stated that if this is what RFM offered then Mexico would be better off bringing in a '9' in development to offer him experience at this level of competition. Tata is open to commentary along this line because he and RFM are both Argentines. Hugo Sanchez typically attacks foreign coaches. Doesn't need any motivating. He was eager to do so in the aftermath.

When pressed Sanchez said he would have deployed 2 Fs with an emphasis on accompanying crosses and incorporating the flank defenders into the attack. However, a separate commentator had previously noted that crosses were not effective because they were a lottery given the defensive posture set by Eve and the evidence of how they were handled. Implicitly, Sanchez was thinking about second ball situations.

On the racism issue: yesterday I viewed a live stream that took place during the match. A stream hosted in Panama from what I gather. Those following the stream were representative of all Central American countries + Mexico. One of the hosts is of African descent.

Someone actually messaged into the stream making a racist comment about our team that they somehow thought the Panamanian man would ignore. He locked that down with a quickness and effectively. But it was interesting to see that the dumbass who sent the comment didn't get that he couldn't refer to T&T players in the manner he did without also implicitly offending the host.

Last comment: we have been competing in CONCACAF for decades but there's is still so much we don't understand about our opponents.

« Last Edit: July 14, 2021, 04:36:07 AM by asylumseeker »
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Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
« Reply #182 on: July 14, 2021, 05:45:35 AM »
I would like to really hear Seekers analysis on this tbh

I understand why you've asserted the position you have. However, it is hard to condemn the loss of two points (theirs).

I understand the reasoning of the choice. Coaches have to be pragmatic and at this stage of Angus' career and ambitions and his task, he reasoned that this choice would be the preferred path. Of course, there are howevers. None matter to the bottom line.

That stated :) ...

However, I was critical of nuanced things I observed as the match progressed during the first half but was pleased that these concerns were mostly addressed as the match unfolded. None proved to be fatal but could have been as these things go.

There was courage and conviction in the coach's decision. There wasn't a lot of time to prepare for the match and the solution he opted for - as painful as it dented your pride - still required a fair amount of preparation and reinforcement.

We played 14 extra minutes of football and it still worked out. Accept it for what it was: result-oriented.



« Last Edit: July 14, 2021, 05:48:34 AM by asylumseeker »
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Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
« Reply #183 on: July 14, 2021, 06:52:36 AM »
Clayton Morris impressed by T&T’s showing against Mexico.
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday).


FORMER STRIKE Squad captain Clayton Morris is impressed by the showing from the national men’s football team against Mexico on Saturday.

Both teams played to a goalless draw in the opening match of the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup, at the AT&T Stadium, Arlington, Texas, United States.

In a voice message issued on Sunday, Morris said, “It was timely, good and excellent. Timely in the sense that our people in Trinidad and Tobago, due to the covid19 pandemic, have been trapped in our homes. Most of us sports lovers, it gives us the opportunity to look forward to seeing our country, more so in a month of Olympics, where we can support our own team.”

Morris, who is currently the president of the T&T Super League, is looking forward to Wednesday’s Group A match against El Salvador, from 7.30 pm (T&T time), at Toyota Stadium, Frisco, Texas.

“It’s left for us now to put the three aspects of the game, the two parts from the Montserrat game – the creativity in converting six (chances) along with the defensive discipline that we saw (against Mexico).

“Going forward to the next game on Wednesday, this will give us an entire package of how football is supposed to be played,” he added. “Congratulations to Angus Eve and his staff, and I want to wish the team all the best in the two (forthcoming) games.”

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Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
« Reply #184 on: July 14, 2021, 08:19:39 AM »
Notably no comment about the FG match by Clayton Morris.

On a hypothetical level, it would have been interesting to see how FG would have decided to play Mexico. I suspect they would have found a balance between entertaining and practical.
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Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
« Reply #185 on: July 16, 2021, 06:28:40 AM »
Just now catching up on the range of Mexican commentary regarding the match.  Among the comments: Jared Borgetti criticized Eve for playing antiquated football. Said it is high time, we raise our tactical sophistication.

On a separate note, he also criticized Tata for insisting on playing inverted wingers against an anchored Back 5 and block of 5+.

Borgetti is an advocate of Chicharito and although he acknowledged that Funes Mori did not have a poor match, he implied that Chicharito could have offered more. On the contrary, the program host described Chicharito as a cancer to the locker room.

Another commentator (Chelis) flat out stated that if this is what RFM offered then Mexico would be better off bringing in a '9' in development to offer him experience at this level of competition. Tata is open to commentary along this line because he and RFM are both Argentines. Hugo Sanchez typically attacks foreign coaches. Doesn't need any motivating. He was eager to do so in the aftermath.

When pressed Sanchez said he would have deployed 2 Fs with an emphasis on accompanying crosses and incorporating the flank defenders into the attack. However, a separate commentator had previously noted that crosses were not effective because they were a lottery given the defensive posture set by Eve and the evidence of how they were handled. Implicitly, Sanchez was thinking about second ball situations.

On the racism issue: yesterday I viewed a live stream that took place during the match. A stream hosted in Panama from what I gather. Those following the stream were representative of all Central American countries + Mexico. One of the hosts is of African descent.

Someone actually messaged into the stream making a racist comment about our team that they somehow thought the Panamanian man would ignore. He locked that down with a quickness and effectively. But it was interesting to see that the dumbass who sent the comment didn't get that he couldn't refer to T&T players in the manner he did without also implicitly offending the host.

Last comment: we have been competing in CONCACAF for decades but there's is still so much we don't understand about our opponents.

The Chicharito/Funes Mori issue will go away gradually once Raul Jimenez is properly back to action. The public may have issues with RFM but once he scores some won't care enough. The good money is on RFM and Jimenez. If someone breaks through during the coming season, which kicks off in a few days, more power to him.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2021, 06:30:14 AM by asylumseeker »
"My son’s identity has also been reduced to that of ... as a racist. I want this court to know that none of these things are true and that my son is a good man. A lengthy sentence will not serve Derek well.” --- Carolyn Pawlenty, mother of Derek Chauvin, prior to the court issuing a light sentence.