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Re: TTFA News Thread.
« Reply #150 on: November 25, 2017, 06:01:43 AM »
Has anyone seen TTFA's club licensing regulations? I have not. The TTFA is taking short cuts as far as I can tell. Every inquiry I make about National Statutes related to football, I am either told that they are following FIFA statutes, or they don't respond.
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Re: TTFA News Thread.
« Reply #152 on: November 26, 2017, 06:10:25 AM »
Non-compliant members “go back to school!” DJW defends TTFA stance and legitimacy of his election.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).


Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president David John-Williams tried yesterday to defend the football body’s position on its treatment of non-compliant members as well as the validity of his own election through a reading of selective emails and, arguably, a re-wording of the constitution.

Most notably, John-Williams told the media conference that 33 of the TTFA’s 49 delegates—who are excluded from the 25 November AGM at present—will be allowed entrance to the meeting and access to the body’s financial documents, once an extraordinary general meeting agrees to extend their deadline for compliance, which was on 30 September.

Even if the deadline is extended, though, the members would still be non-compliant. So is it constitutional to differentiate between the two types of members?

The term “compliant member” does not exist in the TTFA Constitution and John-Williams’ insistence on suggesting otherwise did cause some confusion.

Wired868: “How many members were invited [to the 29 November AGM] and given a schedule of the AGM with the [financial] documents and so on?”

John-Williams: “Only the compliant members.”

Wired868: “When you answered the question [from another reporter], you said all members were invited.”

John-Williams: “All members were invited, Mr Liburd. I answered the question.”

Wired868: “According to the constitution, all members should get information on the agenda for the meeting and the financial documents and so on. Correct?”

John-Williams: “All compliant members.”

John-Williams’ position has already been dismissed as inaccurate and unconstitutional by Veteran Footballers Foundation of Trinidad and Tobago (VFFOTT) president Selby Browne, Central Football Association (CFA) general secretary Clynt Taylor, Trinidad and Tobago Super League (TTSL) president and FC Santa Rosa head coach Keith Look Loy and Eastern Football Association of Trinidad and Tobago (EFATT) president Linus Sanchez.

John-Williams, through an armful of printed emails, suggested that the TTFA had done all in its power to help members become compliant. He pointed to the 12 July 2015 passing of the TTFA Constitution, which carried a transitory clause requiring all members to meet 13 criteria within 18 months or risk losing their membership.

The transitory period expired on 12 January 2017.

Notably, by John-Williams’ own timeline, his administration’s first communication with its membership on the matter of compliance came on 23 February 2017—some five weeks after more than two-thirds of the TTFA’s delegates had lost their membership, according to the clause insisted upon by FIFA.

“As of 12 January, the 18-month grace period established for compliance has ended,” stated TTFA general secretary Justin Latapy-George, in an email to the Membership. “In an effort to establish Members that have achieved compliance, you are kindly asked to resubmit declarations consistent with article 10.2 of the TTFA constitution on or before the end of the work day of 10 March 2017.”

The new deadline was in 14 days’ time. Since then, the delegates missed a second deadline on 30 September 2017 and failed to manage a quorum for an extraordinary general meeting called specifically to deal with the issue.

John-Williams confirmed that the TTFA did not hold a workshop or otherwise try to give its membership any guidance before the initial FIFA-approved deadline.

“You go and read the 13 items that are required to be compliant,” said John-Williams. “If the average schoolboy cannot do 12 of those 13 items, we are in big trouble in our football.”

TTFA board member Wayne Cunningham, who was again doubling as press officer, backed his President.

“If you look at the items necessary to become compliant, you don’t need a workshop for that,” said Cunningham. “If you need a workshop for that, everybody needs to go back to school.”

Significantly, in November 2015,  despite having had four months to get its house in order, the Eastern Football Association was non-compliant; the EFA president at that time was Cunningham.

Cunningham’s EFA was not the only non-compliant Member at the time either. The electoral committee, headed by current SPORTT chairman Dinanath Ramnarine, admitted at the time that it had failed to get the membership compliant in the four months allowed for doing so prior to the election.

“Compliance before the election to be held on the 29 November is not practicable,” Ramnarine wrote to Members on 6 November 2015, which was three weeks before the election.

Arguably, the cloudiness on the issue of compliance from all sides can be traced back to Ramnarine’s insistence that non-compliant members be allowed to vote at the 29 November 2015 TTFA election. And members cast their ballots, elected John-Williams as president and—for the most part—went home and forgot all about the compliance matter.

And the John-Williams-led administration, according to the president, did not officially raise the issue again until after the deadline.

Of course, the legitimacy of the 29 November election has been another bone of contention. Wired868 pointed out in a previous article that a significant portion of the electorate were ineligible to vote but did so anyway.

“Dinanath Ramnarine gave a concession to have non-compliant Members vote in the election of 29 November,” said Browne last week. “I have not seen in the minutes any motion moved to have Ramnarine’s concession accepted. If it was not in there, non-compliant people would not have been allowed to vote and the election is illegal.

“If it was in there that compliance period ended on [12] January [and] all meetings thereafter must be illegal. It is check and mate; you decide which one it is.”

John-Williams read Ramnarine’s email  dated 5 November 2015 which, he claimed, suggested that there was no problem with the legality of his election as TTFA president.

John-Williams’ present view of the election is markedly different from the one he held, two years ago, when he used air quotes to refer to the transitory clause.

“I also take note of the ‘grace period’ of 18 months being granted to member bodies to get their ‘house in order’,”  John-Williams stated on 29 October 2015, “thus possibly allowing them to be eligible to vote in the elections is of concern to us.”

And even after Ramnarine’s message to the membership—which, yesterday, he suggested was the final word on the affair—John-Williams continued to exchange correspondence on the issue of the legality of the election.

He was not the only one either. TTFA vice-president Krishna Kuarsingh said Ramnarine’s letter carried no authority, was inaccurate and was a serious misrepresentation of FIFA’s position about members who were not compliant.

On the very day that John-Williams said the electoral committee drafted its position, FIFA Acting Deputy Secretary General Marco Villiger told the TTFA:

“As stated in the transitory provisions of the new Constitution, the TTFA members not complying with article 10.2 will not be allowed to participate in the elections.”

And, also at odds with John-Williams’ claim about the build-up to his election, five executive members wrote to FIFA on 16 November and claimed that the entire electoral process was in “disarray” owing to the compliance issue. Among the executive members that signed the 16 November 2015 missive to FIFA was Richard Quan Chan, who was also head of the Southern Football Association (SFA), which nominated John-Williams to run for president in the first place.

It is debatable, therefore, whether John-Williams convincingly put to bed any questions about the legitimacy of his election.

As regards the current issue of compliance, there is little doubt that FIFA indeed intended for members who did not satisfy the necessary criteria to be stripped of their standing. However, there is no article in the TTFA Constitution that allows members to lose their rights or status unless so decided by the general meeting.

And the stalemate, arguably, is not helped by the John-Williams-led Administratio’s treating all 49 delegates as members on one day and then acknowledging just 16 on the next—based on changes to the TTFA’s own imposed deadlines rather than whether they were compliant or not at that point.

“The most difficult thing on the list of items for compliance is the audited statement,” said Cunningham, “everybody has a problem with that—not because it is difficult—because it is difficult to pay for.”

Wired868 asked whether the TTFA tried to assist members by approaching the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Trinidad and Tobago (ICATT) on their behalf and seeking group rates or even providing members with a list of available licensed accountants.

(ICATT confirmed it had not been formally approached by the TTFA and that the body would have arranged discounts if requested).

John-Williams said it was not their responsibility to do so. However, the TTFA president and board member/press officer suggested that they had offered auditing advice.

Cunningham: “The TTFA extended services to all members at one of those meetings to help them with [auditing financial statements]. If you ask any member, they will tell you.”

John-Williams: “They were told to come to the TTFA where we would try and pool our resources to get a cheaper source.”

Browne and Look Loy denied that there had been any offer from the football body to help with audited statements with the latter official suggesting that John-Williams remembered the reverse of what had actually happened.

“In the discussion, Osmond Downer, Selby [Browne] and myself proposed two different approaches to this issue [of non-compliance],” Look Loy told Wired868. “One, that an extraordinary meeting be called, which was eventually called two weeks later. And, secondly, we called on the TTFA to organise some kind of mechanism where non-compliant members could be assisted with getting financial audited statements because Central FC and Cunupia said, at that meeting, they couldn’t pay for audited statements, which is why they didn’t have [them].

“So we asked if, through Deloitte—which is the TTFA’s auditor—or any other auditing firms, they could arrange for members to be pooled to get a group rate. That suggestion came from the floor and not the head table. And Wayne Cunningham was not at that meeting. It was John-Williams and Latapy from officialdom.”

Further, Look Loy claimed that, apart from the fact John-Williams was not the originator of the idea to help members with audited statements, the football president also failed to commit to it.

“The response [from John-Williams] was we will see what happens,” said the TTSL president. “There was no firm commitment to do anything. So for them to say they made this offer [to the members] and we refused it is an outright fabrication; in other words, it is a lie.

“Which body in this position would refuse such an offer? That makes no sense.”

Almost certainly, the remaining 43 non-compliant delegates interested in attending the 25 November AGM will be able to do so anyway by virtue of voting for an extension to the deadline in the extraordinary general meeting scheduled to be held an hour before the AGM at the same National Cycling Centre venue in Couva.

Not that the members will necessarily see this option as a concession or olive branch by the John-Williams-led board.

“The TTFA president and/or Board of Directors has no authority to [ban] any member from the AGM for non-compliance,” said Browne.

The TTFA can clear up the volatile issue by helping arrange and/or fund audited statements for its non-compliant members, who comprise nearly 70 percent of the membership and, in many cases, are amateur bodies that operate without a financial arm and no source of income other than club subscriptions.

For now, John-Williams and Cunningham say they have no responsibility to offer any more assistance other than point to the relevant deadlines.

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Re: TTFA News Thread.
« Reply #153 on: November 26, 2017, 09:13:34 AM »
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Re: TTFA News Thread.
« Reply #154 on: November 28, 2017, 04:20:02 AM »
TTFA members push back; black eye for DJW-led board as “unconstitutional” AGM postponed.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).


The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association’s (TTFA) membership must meet again in two weeks after this morning’s Annual General Meeting was postponed owing to general secretary Justin Latapy-George’s failure to provide all members with the necessary documents on time—as stipulated by the TTFA Constitution.

Latapy-George had followed the instructions of the David John-Williams-led board, who felt that only compliant members should have access to the TTFA’s financial documents and other information.

During the week, John-Williams held a media conference and visited at least one television morning show to make his case—and Wired868 pointed to some inconsistencies with his message in an earlier story.

In the end, the TTFA board was stopped in its tracks by the membership at today’s meeting in the National Cycling Centre in Couva.

Trinidad and Tobago Football Referees Association (TTRFA) vice-president Osmond Downer, according to one member, used the constitution to rein in John-Williams and company.

“Downer read from Section 10 of the constitution and informed them that they violated members’ rights when they didn’t send them the convocation,” Central Football Association (CFA) general secretary Clynt Taylor told Wired868. “They had no authority to send to [nine] members and not the full membership. Every member remains a member unless suspended so, according to the constitution, they have to send the convocation to all members.”

Owing to the “voluminous amount of documentation” contained in the convocation, Downer called a vote for the AGM to be postponed for two weeks so members could peruse the documents and be able to comment more effectively.

There were different opinions as to how to proceed, though. Some members, including a Trinidad and Tobago Super League (TTSL) faction, felt the AGM should continue and deal with other issues on the agenda outside of the financial documents, which could be left for the postponed meeting.

In the end, a vote was called only for a two-week postponement of the entire meeting. Seventeen members agreed with Downer’s motion, four disagreed and 14—inclusive of the TTSL representatives—abstained.

Incidentally, there was a turnout of 35 TTFA delegates from a total of 49, which was over 70 percent and possibly the highest attendance of John-Williams’ term as football president. Arguably, it showed too that members did not take lightly the threat of losing their rights.

According to a source, John-Williams informed FIFA of his move to ignore more than 60 percent of the TTFA’s membership before Latapy-George sent out the convocation. The members were not having it, though.

Wired868 asked John-Williams whether he took responsibility for the violation of the TTFA Constitution which forced the postponement of the AGM and disappointed the majority of the football body’s membership. He had not responded up until the time of publication.

Latapy-George declined comment.

The AGM followed a reconvened Extraordinary General Meeting in which only one member was needed to constitute a quorum; 26 delegates turned up.

Although John-Williams spent much of the past week stressing that over 60 percent of the TTFA’s members had lost their rights on 12 January 2017, owing to a transitory clause implemented two years ago, the EOGM was told that CONCACAF had actually relaxed deadlines on the matter of compliance.

All clubs, according to Taylor, have until 31 May 2018 to become compliant while the deadline for zonal associations is 31 December 2018.

Downer moved that all TTFA members be given a new deadline of 31 March 2018 to be compliant. Again, it was not unanimous.

Look Loy suggested that having the compliance deadline so close to the start of the domestic season could leave organisers scrambling to adjust schedules if clubs were then found to be non-compliant. And the TTSL president countered that the deadline should be 31 December 2017.

In the end, though, the EGM opted to compel all non-compliant members to submit a report by 31 January 2018, which spelled out their individual difficulties so they could be addressed before the 31 March deadline.

The EGM was followed immediately by the AGM. But, because the John-Williams-led board had willfully withheld relevant documents from its members—when constitutionally due—on the shaky ground of compliance, the meeting was called off before it had properly begun.

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Re: TTFA News Thread.
« Reply #155 on: November 28, 2017, 06:49:02 AM »
Never a dull moment under extra-ordinary leadership. Ringling and Barnum packed up. About time for the same at the TTFA.
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Re: TTFA News Thread.
« Reply #156 on: December 10, 2017, 01:44:33 PM »
TTFA AGM adjourned for second time.
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For the second time in the space of a month, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) was forced to adjourn its Annual General Meeting (AGM), at the National Cycling Centre, Couva.

According to sources, yesterday’s meeting, which was attended by 15 out of its 49 members, was cancelled due to the lack of a quorum (26), and will be reconvened to December 23.

The AGM was originally carded for November 25, at the aforementioned venue, but was postponed after TTFA members deemed its hosting unconstitutional.

The TTFA had issued invitations to only 16 members to participate at the AGM, as the others were not compliant according to FIFA mandate and were unable to vote.

At a recently-held media conference, at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva, TTFA president David John-Williams said extensions were repeatedly given to members who allegedly failed to take action to remedy their situation.

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TTFA AGM postponed again.
By Ian Prescott (Express).


JUST SIX of a possible 51 delegates were present at the 8 a.m. start of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) reconvened Annual General Meeting (AGM) yesterday morning.

Only three of 13 Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) Board of Directors members joined president David John-Williams at the meeting.

Following a half-hour adjournment, the meeting was reconvened and a roll revealed just 15 delegates present. At that point, Board chairman John-Williams then indicated that the required quorum was not present and that the meeting could not proceed.

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Re: TTFA News Thread.
« Reply #157 on: December 10, 2017, 03:45:22 PM »
How hard iz it to have ah professional competent TTFA in this country? Don't think we ever experienced one in our football history

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Re: TTFA News Thread.
« Reply #158 on: January 25, 2018, 06:52:56 AM »
Dear TTFA: New board member, Look Loy, questions body on coaches, referees and technical centre project.
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“What protocol or procedure did TTFA/you employ to identify the coaches now working in said youth programme, i.e. specifically, were the positions advertised and was application open to all interested parties?

“[What are] the names of all companies/parties which submitted construction/professional bids in connection with said construction… [and] the name of the project manager, the contractor and any sub-contractors engaged in the project?

“[…] What measures does the Referee Department employ with delinquent referees, e.g. those who do not adequately attend training sessions, and/or pass examinations, or those who are not responding successfully to match day assessment and guidance?”

The following is a list of questions on the operations of the local football body submitted by TTSL president and new Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) board member, Keith Look Loy, to TTFA general secretary Justin Latapy-George, past and present technical directors Muhammad Isa and Anton Corneal and referees committee head Wayne Caesar—and copied to TTFA president David John-Williams—on 26 December, 2017 and either 7 or 10 January, 2018.

Request for information on TTFA technical programmes and National Teams

Corneal/Isa

Dear Sirs,

I was inducted as a TTFA Board member on Saturday 23 December and I obviously lack information on several key areas of TTFA work. Accordingly, I am reaching out to you for information with the following questions:

Does TTFA have a long-term technical development plan?

Who are the coaches engaged in TTFA youth programme?


    What protocol or procedure did TTFA/you employ to identify the coaches now working in said youth programme, i.e. specifically, were the positions advertised and was application open to all interested parties?

Do these coaches have contracts?

Who assesses the work of these coaches?\

Are these coaches required to submit a periodic training and development plan? If so, to whom?

Are these coaches required to submit period reports on their work? If so, to whom?

Is the TTFA Technical Committee functional? Does it supervise TTFA’s technical work?

Is there a national Under-20 men’s team in training, or plans to establish one?

Who are the (proposed) staff of this team?

Does TTFA intend to establish an Under-23 team?

What plans does TTFA have regarding the women’s national teams, both age-group and senior?

Does TTFA have a long-term coach education plan/programme? If so, I would appreciate a copy.

Other questions may arise but I trust that you will appreciate my position in my search for relevant information in order to ensure I represent TTSL properly in the TTFA Board.

I thank you in advance for your co-operation.

Best regards.
Keith Look Loy

TTSL representative to the TTFA Board

Request for information on TTFA technical centre project

Justin Latapy

Dear Sir,

As a new TTFA Board member, I obviously lack intimate knowledge of key areas of TTFA work, programmes and projects. Accordingly, I have decided to seek relevant information in several areas, one of which is the technical centre now under construction in Balmain.

I would appreciate information re: the following:


The contribution of FIFA, TTFA and Government to the project and the overall project budget.

The names of all companies/parties which submitted construction/professional bids in connection with said construction.

The TTFA body or personnel which/who selected the contractor and any sub-contractors now engaged on the project.

The name of the project manager.

The name of the contractor and any sub-contractors engaged in the project.


The quantum, duration and terms of all project contracts.

The current financial and construction status of the project.

Clearly, your response would be appreciated prior to the January 2018 Board meeting.

I thank you in advance for your co-operation.

Best regards.
Keith Look Loy

TTSL Representative to the TTFA Board

Request for information on TTFA referee programme

Wayne Caesar

Dear Sir,

I was inducted into the TTFA Board on Saturday 23 December and I am obviously lacking in intimate knowledge of certain aspects of Association activity and programmes. Accordingly, I hereby seek information on TTFA’s referee programme via responses to the following questions:

How many referees and assistant referees are registered with the Referee Department?

What are the numbers counted in each group in each category of referee?

How many FIFA referees and assistant referees does the TTFA have?

How does this number compare to past years?

How does the Referee Department proceed with referee recruitment? How effective is aid programme and what are the issues affecting it?

How many referee instructors and assessors does the Referee Department employ or use?

What is the frequency of and how effective is the referee training programme?

How effective is the match-day referee assessment programme?

What measures does the Referee Department employ with delinquent referees, e.g. those who do not adequately attend training sessions, and/or pass examinations, or those who are not responding successfully to match-day assessment and guidance?

Are referees ever relegated to an inferior category for poor performance?

Are referees insured against injury?

The next Board meeting will be held in January 2018 and I would appreciate your response prior to that so I could properly represent TTSL in said Board.

I thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Best regards.
Keith Look Loy

TTSL Representative to TTFA Board

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Re: TTFA News Thread.
« Reply #159 on: January 25, 2018, 05:47:21 PM »
What! Kieth laying down the gauntlet!

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« Reply #160 on: January 25, 2018, 06:09:02 PM »
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« Reply #161 on: February 23, 2018, 02:58:19 AM »
Look Loy challenges TTFA’s secret operations.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


The secrecy that defined the operations of the T&T Football Association for many years has been called into question and shall be soon come to an end.

Keith Look Loy, president of the T&T Super League and a sitting TTFA Board director, vowed to fight tooth and nail to ensure there is accountability in the affairs of the sport, after a meeting of the Board of Directors last Thursday revealed a lethargic attitude driving the operations of the sport.

Look Loy, a former national player and coach who has served at all levels of the game, said he is ashamed of the current state of local football and predicted it will only get worse if Board members do not honour their responsibility by taking control of the operations of the TTFA.

“I was surprised to see the way things functioned in there. It’s like no one is accountable to anyone and people operate in secret. I have said it before, every TTFA employee and everyone sitting on TTFA committees are accountable to the Board,” said Look Loy.

Guardian Media Sports obtained a copy of the meeting’s agenda which showed Look Loy was successful in getting the support from board members for a number of initiatives including a review of the operations of the Technical Committee, headed by Sam Phillip. Look Loy pointed out that the members of the committee are considered weak in terms of their technical knowledge and experience.

The review showed there is need to recruit more suitable members to the committee and implement the institution of mandatory reporting to the said Committee by national coaches after tournaments/matches, and by other TTFA technicians on an established periodic basis.

Look Loy also received support for a review of TTFA’s Technical Staff members, and called for the technical director to conduct a performance assessment of all technical staff of both national teams and development programmes. He also called for a fair recruitment process of all coaches to be engaged by the TTFA.

The technical director was also asked to submit a comprehensive annual budget for all technical operations, i.e. national teams and development programmes, coaching education, etc and it is to be submitted to the Board in April. Upon Look Loy’s request, the technical director will provide the Board with a strategic technical development plan while the head of referees department will supply an overall plan and budget for the development of TTFA’s referee department, and the resolution of several issues affecting refereeing over the past years.

These include challenges faced in the recruitment process, compensation package, inconsistent training by referees, and the steady reduction in the number of FIFA referees in recent years.

A former Malick Secondary coach, Look Loy said the Board has failed in getting these basic policies introduced and promised that as a board member, he will fight hard to ensure the operations of the TTFA are accountable to its members and the public.

At Look Loy’s request, the meeting which was attended by David John-Williams (TTFA President), Ewing Davis (TTFA VP), Joanne Salazar (TTFA VP), Richard Quan Chan (SFA representative), Sherwyn Dyer (ECFU representative), Karanjabari Williams (NFA representative), Joseph Taylor (TTFRA representative), Sam Philip (TTPL representative), and Justin Latapy-George (General Secretary), was also scheduled to discuss other financial and technical matters, such as;

(1) The contribution of FIFA, TTFA and Government to Home of Football project and the overall project budget,

(2) The names of companies/parties that submitted construction/professional bids for construction,

(3) The TTFA body or personnel to select the contractor and sub-contractors, if any, now engaged on the project,

(4) The name of the project manager,

(5) The quantum, duration and terms of all project contracts,

(6) The current financial and construction status of the project, however, was unable to conclude its agenda and was adjourned until March.

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Re: TTFA News Thread.
« Reply #162 on: March 01, 2018, 02:54:02 AM »
Mayday, mayday, TTFA! Our football is sinking.
By Colin Murray (Guardian).


After my column last week about the ongoing craziness with Badminton in the country, I received an email from a gentlemen who stated that he is on the Badminton Association and that what I wrote about is just the tip of the iceberg. He proceeded to send me 20 bullet points on some unbelievable events in T&T Badminton but I will address these soon.

What caught my attention last week was the headline, “TTFA buried in secrecy”. It is always necessary to put things into context so let us go back to the past and highlight some facts. In November 2015, the then TTFA President Raymond Tim Kee was removed from office as it was perceived that he was not doing a good job and he was challenged by three others for the top job at the TTFA. Tim Kee was defeated by the then owner of W Connection F.C. and in his manifesto, he promised the football fraternity that the face of football will change. It was well documented that he promised accountability, transparency and good governance among other things. The stakeholders asked for this so I would think the people of T&T would have been happy as at last they must have felt that change in the beautiful game was approaching.

What has gone wrong in 2.5 years? Or what has gone right? Let us begin with our Russia 2018 World Cup campaign. To date I have not seen an analysis of the campaign or an explanation for some of the bizarre decisions that were taken which ultimately derailed our very promising World Cup ambitions. No one has said anything apart from expressing how much of a great victory it was against the USA which eliminated them from the campaign. It appears that we fired Stephen Hart because the USA fired Jürgen Klinsmann as Hart was sacked just three days after Klinsmann. Neither team qualified for the World Cup. Then came Gold Cup 2017 qualification. We brought in another coach (with a poor track record) and we were beaten by Suriname with Haiti qualifying ahead of us for CONCACAF's top tournament.

We hired a Women's football coach with an impressive CV in Carolina Morace. She left prematurely saying that she wasn't being paid. Another terrible embarrassment for the country; again, nothing said. The latest soap opera is the CONCACAF T&T Women's Under 20 team in which we finished dead last and to date no one has said anything except some garbage that has been dumped on the football loving public of T&T. There was little marketing of the tournament, therefore it stands to reason that the tournament was a huge financial loss to the TTFA. I wonder if we will ever know what was the loss incurred for the tournament.

All our national football is now being played at the 'home of football', the Ato Boldon Stadium. I saw the land was cleared and work has started on the different buildings that are apparently being constructed for this new 'home of football'. I did my own inquiries and reached out to three board members of the TTFA and asked some simple questions: (1) Who submitted bids to construct the 'home of football? (2) Who won the bid? (3) Who selected the company that won the bid? (4) How much is this costing? (5) Who is funding it? (6) Who is managing this whole 'home of football' construction? I received blank looks from all with one even stating to me, “you know those are some good questions, but Colin I really don't know”.

It is incredible that at least three board members that I spoke to do not have a clue about the cost and which company actually won the bid for construction. That is on the assumption that there was a tender process in existence to begin with. I saw the Minister of Sport and the Chairman of SPORTT posing for the media (as they usually do) at the site while construction work was ongoing, so maybe either one of those goodly gentlemen can excuse themselves from taking photos and give an answer to these pertinent questions as someone must unveil to the public the secret behind the 'home of football'.

Lastly, what has the TTFA done to assist referees who play a crucial role in the beautiful game? They are some of the most maligned people in this country and around the world. When you examine their situation, it is becoming critical. Their compensation package is archaic, they go for months without being paid, few new referees are breaking down the door to get into the profession, and there has been a steady reduction in the number of FIFA referees in recent years; even though we saw a picture a few weeks ago with the TTFA president posing again with the FIFA officials. We now have seven FIFA officials on the panel. Jamaica has 13, almost twice the amount as us. The resources required to develop referees are clearly lacking.

The beautiful game in this country needs plastic surgery and we need it fast because the beauty is vast becoming ugly.

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Re: TTFA News Thread.
« Reply #163 on: March 18, 2018, 01:57:31 AM »
TTFA members upset.
By Jelani Beckles (Newsday).


MEMBERS OF the TT Football Association are upset that the Annual General Meeting carded for yesterday, was postponed for a fourth time.

The AGM was orginally carded to take place in November 2017, but was postponed because not enough members received financial statements. The AGM was then carded to take place on December 23 but, the president of the TTFA David John-Williams and financial manager Tyril Patrick did not attend and the members refused to have the meeting take place. On February 20, the AGM was postponed again because John-Williams did not attend.

Yesterday, there was some confusion at the AGM due to different opinions on the interpretation of the constitution of the TTFA. John-Williams insisted there was no a quorum to start.

However, TTFA members at the meeting said there were enough members to start the meeting according to their understanding of the constitution because it was a reconvened meeting and a quorum was not needed to start.

TTFA member Anthony Harford said, “Osmond Downer (Referees Committee board member) led the argument for the meeting by quoting from the constitution, by saying this is a reconvened meeting and not a new meeting and therefore the meeting should proceed whether it is one person or the 49 people. That was backed up by all the other people on the floor, who kept saying that yes, we can continue, the 20 something people who were there.”

The meeting was ordered to be held in 14 days by John-Williams. Members are concerned that the meeting will not take place in 14 days because the meeting is now carded for Easter weekend.

Members of the TTFA also heard that the Chief Accounting Officer has resigned and the board of the TTFA has not informed members.

Members are concerned about the accounts of the TTFA including the sources of income. Members want to find out how much money came in from FIFA and CONCACAF and want to see how the money spent within the TTFA is broken down. Another TTFA member Selby Browne, giving his thoughts on yesterday’s proceedings said, “Everyone told him he had no such authority (to call off the meeting), the meeting had to decide that...this is a reconvened meeting. You had several persons.”

Browne added that John-Williams is trying to run the TTFA as if it his club – W Connection. “Maybe he is accustom to running his club W Connection like that which he owns. Any type of autocratic behaviour is one that cannot be condoned and the decision was taken when the new constitution was brought in to have a board of directors of which the president is one of 14, and it is the collective board of directors that must run the TTFA. The days of a president on his own conviction are long gone in football.”

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« Reply #164 on: March 18, 2018, 08:51:27 AM »
I now see why some people does go postal on their job. What the f wrong with DJW. He acting like a dictatorial imps.
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« Reply #165 on: March 18, 2018, 01:35:26 PM »
All yuh, I give up eh.....I cyar battle two tyrant in mih lifetime......I too ole for this ish!!!!....

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« Reply #166 on: March 18, 2018, 04:11:32 PM »
Looks like postponing meetings was a key point in de manifesto

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« Reply #167 on: March 18, 2018, 10:19:50 PM »
Attendance at these meetings seems to be low historically. People don't appear to be invested in the responsibilities they hold. At regional body level there have been multiple past reports of people not showing up.

Assuming that they're not receiving incentives to stay away (which would be an issue in itself), this is a cultural issue that is being exploited because we like it so. (The provision of a "incentives" is a  cultural  issue also).

It's not entirely an issue of autocratic design. It's also an issue of complicity. For autocratic behavior to become consolidated, people have to sign off along the way.
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« Reply #168 on: March 20, 2018, 12:42:47 AM »
“Tyranny!” TTFA descends further into farce as DJW calls off AGM—blocking financial questions.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).


The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association’s fourth successive attempt to hold its 2017 AGM ended in farce and a shouting match today in Couva, as local football president David John-Williams adjourned the meeting for 14 days in an apparent misinterpretation of the constitution and amidst cries of “tyranny” and “dictatorship.”

In the process, John-Williams effectively blocked a grilling over the first Annual Financial Statement he was due to present as president and construction at the TTFA’s new “home of football”—a technical development centre and hotel—and, possibly blocked a vote of no-confidence as well.

It is the fifth time—without resolution—that the TTFA’s 2016 financial statement has been on the agenda. The local football body cannot access FIFA funding, which stands at a minimum of US$750,000 per year, without having had its Financial Statement approved.

In the melee thatbroke out in the Ato Boldon Stadium’s Media Room following John-Williams’ announcement, the normally reserved North Zone president Anthony Harford accused the President of “tyranny” while members—including veteran Referees Football Association (TTRFA) vice-president Osmond Downer and Veteran Footballers Foundation (VFFOTT) president Selby Browne—accused the W Connection football club owner of violating the constitution.

“What happened today is nothing short of a major embarrassment to our sport,” Harford told Wired868. “I felt as if I was sitting among a nest of vipers.”

Browne concurred.

“The President’s actions were outrageous, absurd and wrong on yet another occasion,” he said, “similar to the compliance matter.”

The TTFA first tried to have its financial statement approved at an extraordinary general meeting on 5 July, 2017 but was forced to postpone the effort as general secretary Justin Latapy-George had not made copies of the document available to members, as mandated by the TTFA Constitution.

At its AGM on 25 November, 2017, the local football umbrella body tried again; on John-Williams’ instructions, however, financial documents were distributed to one-third of the membership, the President claiming the rest were non-compliant. The general meeting overruled John-Williams and his Board was given 30 days to reconvene the session.

For the follow-up meeting, the John-Williams-led Board chose 8am on 23 December, 2017, two days before Christmas. However, although members showed up, the TTFA president stayed home—without warning—and sent word that he was unwell.

Vice-president Ewing Davis chaired that meeting on John-Williams’ behalf and tried to have the financial statement approved without the President or financial manager, Tyril Patrick, on hand to answer questions. The membership refused.

The reconvened AGM was then set for 20 February and, although John-Williams picked the date, when members turned up, he was again absent. And, yet again, the AGM was postponed.

At 8:30am today when Latapy-George took the roll call, there were 17 members present along with John-Williams, Davis and Board representatives Richard Quan Chan and Sharon O’ Brien.

Of the 17, there were representatives from seven Pro League clubs—including the TTFA President’s daughter and current W Connection boss Renée John-Williams—while the remaining 10 delegates came from the various zonal bodies as well as Secondary Schools Football League (SSFL) president William Wallace.

John-Williams, who chaired the meeting as president, then got up and, according to several eye-witnesses, announced that it would be “unethical” to proceed without a quorum of at least 24 members. He then abruptly adjourned the meeting for an unspecified date within 14 days.

The room erupted as Browne and Downer shouted their opposition, under article 24.3 of the TTFA Constitution, while, banging on a table, John-Williams shouted back.

Article 24.3 states: “A quorum is not required for the second meeting of the General Meeting unless any item on the agenda proposes the amendment of the Constitution, the election of a member of the Board of Directors, the dismissal of a member of a body of TTFA, the expulsion of a Member or the dissolution of TTFA.”

“I pointed out to him that, as chairman, he has no such authority [to adjourn],” said Browne. “The meeting has the authority to take a vote on that and decide… Also there was a duly convened AGM in November for which there was a quorum.

“In the case of an adjournment, whoever is present forms the quorum.”

Harford said John-Williams recognised no opinion other than his own.

“People were explaining to David that a quorum does not matter now because you had a quorum the first time,” said Harford. “A reconvened meeting is just the continuation of the first meeting. It is as if you went for lunch and came back with a member short.

“I told David let us listen to the people because the entire floor without exception was saying let us continue; and you are saying only your opinion counts. I told him this is a democracy and what you are displaying is a tyrannical approach.

“When the floor speaks, you have to listen. When you are saying we have to listen to you alone, that is tyranny! […] I was aghast at what I was hearing.”

Harford claimed that Renée John-Williams twice stood up and appealed for calm from the floor and head table and urged her father to let the members vote on whether to adjourn the meeting. The TTFA president refused.

“I felt bad for his daughter because it cannot be right to see your father behaving that way and to see people talking to him in the way they did,” said Harford. “I said, ‘Mr Chairman, what you are doing is not inclining us to be obsequious to you… The people who spoke are imminently smart persons who [think] before they talk.’

“Mr Downer is a walking lexicon on constitutional interpretation while Selby usually follows protocol; Selby can be enthusiastic but he is a stakeholder and must be listened to.”

There were raised eyebrows too at the TTFA President’s assertion that it would be “unethical” to proceed with the AGM, in which he was set to be grilled on his financial stewardship of the football body.

“[SSFL president] William Wallace, who is a voice of reason, stood up and tried to tell [John-Williams] there is a difference between illegal, unconstitutional and unethical,” said Harford. “Unethical and illegal are two different words. [John-Williams] said it was unethical to start without a quorum. People said okay but it is not illegal, so don’t use the two words in the same context.

“[…] The entire floor is saying let us proceed with the vote and here you are saying [to adjourn for] 14 days which could be Easter weekend or Spiritual Baptist Day.

“But you got the impression that David didn’t want the meeting to proceed, no matter what. It was extremely sad and I felt embarrassed.”

Eastern Football Association (EFA) president Linus Sanchez agreed that John-Williams’ behaviour was unconstitutional. However, he reserved most of his ire for the members who did not show up this morning.

Trinidad and Tobago Super League (TTSL) president Keith Look Loy and his FC Santa Rosa club had already committed themselves to a Walk For Peace in Arima, before the TTFA Board picked the date for the AGM. But Sanchez was furious that nobody from the TTSL came in Look Loy’s absence while Central Football Association (CFA) general secretary Clynt Taylor was also a no-show.

“Santa Rosa I can understand; but don’t tell me at least three [TTSL] clubs couldn’t send one member to ensure they had representation,” said Sanchez. “And nobody could reach Clynt Taylor from the CFA on his phone. These are the two members who are most vociferous about what happens in TTFA, so now my delegates are wondering if they are just talkers.

“The Southern FA had no member. We can understand Tobago because of the ferry [problems] but nobody showed from Eastern Counties… It leaves me to conclude that [administrators] don’t understand their contribution to sport and crime in this country.

“Because they are always running to get on a committee but, after they are nominated, you don’t see or hear them. There are too many square pegs in round holes!”

Sanchez suggested that the absent stakeholders were worse than the supposedly misbehaving football president.

“An AGM happens just once a year and we, the members, have absolute power,” he said. “So why in the name of God would you throw your hands in the air and say ‘I ent able with that’ when it is time for an AGM?

“They have to stop blaming the president and understand that it is their irresponsibility that has Trinidad and Tobago football in the position it is in. If we don’t make our voices heard, then we have to say ‘I am the reason why this is failing’.”

Today’s adjourned meeting meant another wasted trip for the bemused representative from auditing firm Madan Ramnarine and Company as well as accounting advisor Robert Reis. It is likely that the TTFA will still be billed for their presence.

Members filed out of the Ato Boldon Stadium in disgust while Browne and Downer urged them to remain for a meeting without the president as happened during his first no-show.

Some members vowed that they would not return. However, Sanchez noted that, if members became frustrated and stayed away, John-Williams could conceivably use his “unconstitutional approach” as strategy by continually reconvening meetings until only his supporters are present.

“The next time [the TTFA president] tries this, we will appoint a chairperson and proceed with the meeting,” said Sanchez. “If the President scans the crowd and feels he doesn’t have support and adjourns, we will have a meeting anyway in accordance with the constitution.

“Selby was asking members to stay back today but many of them were disgusted and they didn’t understand the constitution. We will be better prepared next time.”

Browne suggested John-Williams’ decision might have been made to head off a possible no confidence motion, although the constitution does not allow a vote for the removal of a member—including the president—without it being first put on the agenda.

Still, the VFFOTT president said he hopes FIFA intervenes in the impasse.

“I would suggest to members that the next action is to write to FIFA and Concacaf on the [TTFA’s] failure to have an AGM that was called since last November,” said Browne. “And one of the options is for FIFA to send in a normalisation committee.”

Harford had hoped to discuss the lack of financial support for the zonal bodies or inter-zonal competition, particularly at youth level.

The lack of clarity on the TTFA’s “Home of Football,” which has already benefited from a TT$2.6 million FIFA grant, is another major concern for stakeholders.

John-Williams, who is a contractor, has been seen on the site for long hours as workers toiled on the project. Yet nobody seems to know who was awarded the contract for the project while a Sport Company source said the TTFA President has so far failed to respond to a request for information from SPORTT acting CEO Jason Williams.

Harford, who is also director of sports management group All Sports Promotion, suggested that today’s chaotic meeting might actually be another sign of progress from the Jack Warner era, when the football president’s rule was unquestioned.

“The one thing I can say is what is happening is probably healthy,” said Harford. “We have reached a place where we realise the days of people going in and bowing to the head table have gone. We are in that transition phase.

“[…] People do their own research before meetings now and don’t take the president’s word as gospel. We are building what I hope would become a strong foundation.”

Neither the TTFA president nor his daughter responded to requests from Wired868 for comment on the former’s decision to adjourn the AGM. President John-Williams also did not respond when asked if he was deliberately trying to avoid taking questions on the football body’s spending and construction work on its technical centre.

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« Reply #169 on: March 20, 2018, 05:47:35 AM »
You get what you pay (vote) for
THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES

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« Reply #170 on: March 20, 2018, 07:42:08 AM »
Tim Kee was hung out to dry, but now blown away by the biggest shitstorm to hit the region so far..not even JW can compare to D real slim shady so early in his tenure

You get what you pay (vote) for
I remember ppl clamouring and cussing, and some voters, eyes closed, saying “it can’t be worse “
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« Reply #171 on: March 20, 2018, 08:55:46 AM »
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Sanchez suggested that the absent stakeholders were worse than the supposedly misbehaving football president.

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Eastern Football Association (EFA) president Linus Sanchez agreed that John-Williams’ behaviour was unconstitutional. However, he reserved most of his ire for the members who did not show up this morning.

Precisely. Some are serial offenders.
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« Reply #172 on: March 20, 2018, 09:08:46 AM »
Wallace. Browne. John-Williams. Harford.

Elementary: to use a phrase from Sesame Street, one of these "things" is not like the other.
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« Reply #173 on: March 20, 2018, 05:20:02 PM »
John-Williams, who chaired the meeting as president, then got up and, according to several eye-witnesses, announced that it would be “unethical” to proceed without a quorum of at least 24 members. He then abruptly adjourned the meeting for an unspecified date within 14 days.


technically, DJW has a point. But then again the ten who eh show up, are probably those who support him. They know the game he is playing. JW modus operandi.  They probably are being paid off. I joking on that statement. How could Keith not attend the meeting or send someone in his place.  The 14 who attended should call out the 10 who did not attend. And demand that they be serious about f---king responsibility for the uplifting of TT football.

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« Reply #174 on: March 20, 2018, 05:22:40 PM »
Harford claimed that Renée John-Williams twice stood up and appealed for calm from the floor and head table and urged her father to let the members vote on whether to adjourn the meeting. The TTFA president refused.

This sounding like straight out of twilight zone.

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« Reply #175 on: March 20, 2018, 06:54:01 PM »
Harford claimed that Renée John-Williams twice stood up and appealed for calm from the floor and head table and urged her father to let the members vote on whether to adjourn the meeting. The TTFA president refused.

This sounding like straight out of twilight zone.

I will lash Wired868 a lil bit ...

In this capacity, there should be no mention of "father" ... it should read the man's official capacity (unless she got up and said "Oh gorm, Daddy" or something akin to that).

RJW and DJW were each in attendance in an official capacity. It was  not a family outing. Ivanka does not refer to DJT as "Daddy" when on official business.
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« Reply #176 on: March 20, 2018, 07:15:59 PM »
Harford claimed that Renée John-Williams twice stood up and appealed for calm from the floor and head table and urged her father to let the members vote on whether to adjourn the meeting. The TTFA president refused.

This sounding like straight out of twilight zone.

I will lash Wired868 a lil bit ...

In this capacity, there should be no mention of "father" ... it should read the man's official capacity (unless she got up and said "Oh gorm, Daddy" or something akin to that).

RJW and DJW were each in attendance in an official capacity. It was  not a family outing. Ivanka does not refer to DJT as "Daddy" when on official business.

I think the choice to use "father" is to show dat he eh care bout nobody.
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« Reply #177 on: March 20, 2018, 07:34:05 PM »
Harford claimed that Renée John-Williams twice stood up and appealed for calm from the floor and head table and urged her father to let the members vote on whether to adjourn the meeting. The TTFA president refused.

This sounding like straight out of twilight zone.

I will lash Wired868 a lil bit ...

In this capacity, there should be no mention of "father" ... it should read the man's official capacity (unless she got up and said "Oh gorm, Daddy" or something akin to that).

RJW and DJW were each in attendance in an official capacity. It was  not a family outing. Ivanka does not refer to DJT as "Daddy" when on official business.

I think the choice to use "father" is to show dat he eh care bout nobody.

Fair enough ... based on the "Harford claimed".
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« Reply #178 on: March 21, 2018, 02:58:53 AM »
There's definitely a Trump-esk whiff about DJW. This is farcical

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« Reply #179 on: March 21, 2018, 07:30:03 PM »
There's definitely a Trump-esk whiff about DJW. This is farcical
except dat nex election trump might win by ah landslide, with all demographics pitchin in :o, but to digress, I consider myself to be a good and at times prophetic judge of people, knew d WC campaign woulda dead, knew all recent success and football development headway would be squandered d minute we were dumb enough to change presidents, so said so done.......sigh!!!!!!!
I pity the fool....