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TTFA Constitution Thread
« on: October 20, 2014, 05:39:27 PM »
Reform commission for TTFA.
By Shaun Fuentes (TTFA).


Working alongside FIFA and utilizing the Independent Football Reform Commission Report and Recommendations presented to President Raymond Tim Kee and CONCACAF President, Jeff Webb in April 2014, Tim Kee has committed to supporting a constitutional overhaul centered on the principle of “One Club, One Vote” for the national body.

This will be the central focus as this week will mark the culmination of work of the IFRC as FIFA and CONCACAF representatives, Reudi Broennimann, Primo Corvaro, and Marco Leal will join President Tim Kee and selected local representatives to serve on the Constitutional Reform Panel to begin work on the new TTFA Constitution that will be presented to the TTFA Executive Committee, members and stakeholders for national review and ratification.

The ratification process and several other areas of concern cited by FIFA will also result in the delay in TTFA elections until after June 15, 2015. However, regional zone elections will take place as originally scheduled.

“When I came into office two years ago, I vowed to make meaningful change to this FA, first by taking the necessary steps to improve our on the field product and second, by initiating efforts to develop a new structure and governance model for T&T football,” Tim Kee stated.

The origins of the reform effort were born soon after Tim Kee’s election as FA President when he met with FIFA officials, including FIFA President Sepp Blatter, to discuss the way forward for T&T football. 

The idea of the Reform Commission was later introduced to and accepted by FIFA representatives during the 2013 CONCACAF Congress in Panama, site of the presentation of the now infamous Simmons Report that detailed the events and activities surrounding the World Cup bribery scandal that took place in Trinidad in 2011.

After convincing FIFA that Trinidad and Tobago possessed enough knowledge and talent to achieve substantive reform, the TTFA President began assembling individuals, such as Shaka Hislop, TTOC President Brian Lewis, and Senator Elton Prescott S.C., to join what would be known as the Independent Football Reform Commission (IRFC).

“I would like to thank members of the IFRC for their tireless effort in producing a document that can be a template for other sporting NGBs and, of course, thank you to FIFA and CONCACAF, particularly FIFA Secretary Jerome Valcke and CONCACAF President and FIFA VP, Jeff Webb, for their supporting role in our efforts to make football a better governed entity that will now have a real chance at operating and serving all of its members and stakeholders directly.” added Tim Kee.

Further details about the members of the Constitutional Review Panel will be forthcoming and a press conference is currently scheduled for Thursday October 23 to cover this and several other major announcements.


N.B:  Under the current TTFF/TTFA constitution, officials of the football association are elected by delegate vote with concentrated power held by zonal-dominated Executive Committee.

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Re: Reform commission for TTFA.
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2014, 05:52:58 PM »
so in other wards whoever holds that single vote can be bought or controlled... same old same old... i remember we outlined how it went down but this approach will still lead to bobol and tim kee i doubt will want to lose his power...

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2014, 07:54:59 PM »
so in other wards whoever holds that single vote can be bought or controlled... same old same old... i remember we outlined how it went down but this approach will still lead to bobol and tim kee i doubt will want to lose his power...

For your education...
Before Jack Warner every club had a vote. The referees association had a vote. Secondary schools league had a vote.
Jack had it changed to only the zonal heads could vote. i.e. 5-6 votes. Easy to buy and sell.

The TTFA vote has been delayed so the changes can be implemented. If Tim Kee really wanted to guarantee power he would hold elections tomorrow

Now tell me how this will be the same if we go back to one club one vote!
Better yet propose a better system.

« Last Edit: October 20, 2014, 07:58:54 PM by FF »
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FIFA protects TTFA president: Tim Kee gets seven-month extension
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)


Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee will hang on to his football portfolio for another seven months at least after FIFA granted the local football body an undemocratic extension without citing any by-law that allowed its decision.

The delay, according to correspondence sent by FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke, was primarily to allow the TTFA time to get its statutes in line with FIFA’s.

“The (FIFA Associations) Committee also took note of the weaknesses of the TTFA Statutes and the work carried out by the Independent Reform Committee,” stated Valcke, ”which proposed structural changes of the TTFA which could be in line with the FIFA Standard Statutes.

“Under these circumstances, the Associations Committee decided to provide an extension of the mandate of the current TTFA board until 30 June 2015 in order to revise the statutes in close collaboration with FIFA and CONCACAF and to organise elections accordingly.”

The letter from the FIFA general secretary was dated 25 September 2014 although the TTFA only released it today, just two hours before the Trinidad and Tobago national senior women’s team kicked off a crucial World Cup qualifier against Guatemala.

It did not say why the current statutes, which were in place for two decades, should affect next month’s TTFA election.

The reason for the lengthy postponement of the TTFA election would come as a surprise to the Independent Reform Committee (IRC), headed by Independent senator Elton Prescott, SC, which spent between August 2013 and April 2014 creating a template for a new TTFA constitution.

Former 2006 World Cup player and ESPN analyst Shaka Hislop, who was a member of the IRC, said he had not seen the TTFA’s release. However, he had the impression that FIFA was pleased with their constitutional reforms.

“We recommended certain changes to the TTFA’s constitution,” Hislop told Wired868. “My understanding is they were received by FIFA and met favourably by FIFA. And now it is just a matter of implementation, which we don’t have a direct say on.”

Apart from Prescott and Hislop, the IRC also comprised of former West Indies Players Association (WIPA) president Dinanath Ramnarine, journalist Dr Sheila Rampersad, Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Committee (TTOC) president Brian Lewis and archivist Patrick Raymond.

Now, according to a TTFA release, a new committee called the Constitutional Reform Panel will receive a nine-month mandate to apparently do the same job. The names of the new committee members have not yet been released.

“It would be very interesting to get clarity from the FIFA officials about if the reform committee’s recommendations and the proposed constitution is acceptable to FIFA,” said Lewis.

Lewis revealed that some of their recommendations included term limits and the separation of the governance structure between the elected TTFA officials and the day to day management of the football, which, he felt, should “provide for proper transparency and accountability.”

“The putting together of a reform panel and the utilisation of the report is not on the surface a ringing endorsement of our recommendations,” said Lewis. “In the absence of clarity, I’m not sure whether to feel elated or not about the amount of work we did on the constitution.

“It is not clear if the reform panel is going to go over the same process as the independent reform committee.”

The decision to create a new constitution for local football was initially proposed by the TTFA, rather than FIFA, in April 2013. However, Valcke said the the FIFA Associations Committee now feels it so important that it has overruled the present TTFA bylaws in a bid to keep Tim Kee in charge until it is completed to the governing body’s liking.

At least one member of that FIFA Associations Committee, United States Soccer Federation (USSF) president Sunil Gulati, is no stranger to Phillips or Tim Kee. Gulati is listed as a reference on Phillips’ CV and recommended him to his current position.

“I have known Sheldon for over 20 years when we first worked together on US Cup ’92,” said Gulati, in Phillips’ CV. “He is resourceful and results driven. As the general secretary, the TTFF will certainly benefit from his experience in the game.”

In June, Gulati also cooed about the perceived successes of Tim Kee and Phillips.

“I’ve known Sheldon Phillips for a long time and I met Raymond Tim Kee a couple years ago,” said Gulati, during the 2014 World Cup. “I think the Association is in good hands and it’s (an) exciting time for Concacaf and the relationship between Trinidad and Tobago and the US…

“T&T is making progress… And, clearly with Raymond and Sheldon there, I think you will see a lot of positive changes.”

At the time, the TTFA’s staff was owed salaries while the football body’s headquarters was without a telephone line after being disconnected for non-payment, Tim Kee was in breach of a court order to pay the 2006 “Soca Warriors” and current national players and coaches were grumbling about unpaid match fees.

And, during Tim Kee’s two-year term, he and Phillips stumbled through a series of high-profile gaffes including the Native Spirit Akeem Adams fundraiser, Trinidad and Tobago’s non-participation at the inaugural MLS Caribbean draft, failure to honour agreements with the 2006 World Cup players and former coach Russell Latapy and their decision to send the national women’s team to the ongoing CONCACAF Championship in the United States without accompanying officials and even money to get from the airport to the hotel.

In Tim Kee’s correspondence with Zurich, though, he portrayed himself as an antidote to the controversial era of ex-FIFA vice president Jack Warner. The TTFA president said he was “charged with the awesome and serious task of bringing true reform” to the TTFA and addressing “a multitude of abuses committed by the previous regime.”

Valcke appeared to warm to that theme.

“We are keenly aware of the dire situation and various difficulties faced by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF),” wrote Valcke, “and emanating from the mismanagement of previous administrations.”

In fact, Tim Kee was a vice-president for over a decade under the Warner-led executive while he was voted into power by the same officials that he criticised to FIFA.

During the 2012 football elections, Tim Kee denied that his candidacy was supported by Warner or that the then senior Cabinet member played any role in the sudden and mysterious withdrawal of Colin Murray’s competing bid for the top job. He also later denied rumours that he double-crossed Warner by snubbing the latter’s friend and Eastern Football Association (EFA) official Neville Ferguson and installing Phillips as TTFA general secretary instead.

And, despite his stated mission of ushering football into an era of transparency, the TTFA’s finance committee, which is ostensibly chaired by Tim Kee, has not met once in almost two years while he did not keep his election promise to conduct an immediate financial audit of the body.

Although the TTFA elections has been postponed, the zonal elections will proceed as normal and should be conducted next month. At present, the constitution dictates that the zonal bodies will select the football president although the IRC recommended a “one club, one vote” system.

Either way, Tim Kee, who is also the Port of Spain mayor and treasurer for the Opposition political party, the PNM, will have until 30 June 2015 to find a way to win the favour of a distrusting football public.

Incidentally, Trinidad and Tobago’s general election is constitutionally due in May 2015 although the People’s Partnership government suggested it could be pushed back to September.

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Re: Reform commission for TTFA.
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2014, 10:36:17 PM »
During the IRC hearings that I attended, there was a long discussion regarding the voting system. The current system allows 4 or 5 people to control the whole of T&T football. Rules affecting professional football are decided by amateur clubs. One club, one vote would still allow like minded people to vote together, but at least there is an opportunity for truly democratic decisions.

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2014, 11:12:24 PM »
so in other wards whoever holds that single vote can be bought or controlled... same old same old... i remember we outlined how it went down but this approach will still lead to bobol and tim kee i doubt will want to lose his power...

For your education...
Before Jack Warner every club had a vote. The referees association had a vote. Secondary schools league had a vote.
Jack had it changed to only the zonal heads could vote. i.e. 5-6 votes. Easy to buy and sell. I am fully aware of this

The TTFA vote has been delayed so the changes can be implemented. If Tim Kee really wanted to guarantee power he would hold elections tomorrow. If he did he would create even more problems for himself, sponsors and the public would chastise him because it would reek of corruption, so he has no choice, he wants money and a second chance, so hes going with the tide of change bc if he doesn't he is done..

Now tell me how this will be the same if we go back to one club one vote!
Better yet propose a better system.



well for one, let me further clarify myself the one club vote is still a sketchy issue for me... bc i don't know if that includes the pro league and super league... the veterans association and other entities that have played an integral part in the building and sustaining of TT football...

i believe it should consist of past players, present players and a segment of the population, which would prevent the isolation from the public that we have seen in the past..

i will elaborate later when i get up and make suggestions..


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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2014, 11:47:33 PM »

well for one, let me further clarify myself the one club vote is still a sketchy issue for me... bc i don't know if that includes the pro league and super league... the veterans association and other entities that have played an integral part in the building and sustaining of TT football...

i believe it should consist of past players, present players and a segment of the population, which would prevent the isolation from the public that we have seen in the past..

i will elaborate later when i get up and make suggestions..



The Pro League has a vote, as does the Veteran Players and current players will have a vote as well.  I don't think the Super League has one, but I could be wrong on that.  Voting is reserved for members of the TTFA, so the public won't have a vote, just as John Q. Public doesn't have a vote in England, the US, Canada etc.  The next logical question then is "How does one become a member?"... which is governed by the Constitution.  There is a nomination and a vote by the general membership (I believe), all of this is to be addressed by the constitutional changes being proposed by Tim Kee and the Independent Reform Commission.

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I see your campaign of lies and blatant mischaracterizations against the TTFA continues.  Why not link to or post the letter from Valcke in its entirety, rather than selectively taking snippets out of context to make it seem like some FIFA conspiracy to "protect" Tim Kee?  The letter makes clear that there are a number of purposes to be served by postponing the election, the additional seven months is hardly "protection," you'd think FIFA gave them a 7-year extension by the way you spinning it.

Then to this nonsense:
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Now, according to a TTFA release, a new committee called the Constitutional Reform Panel will receive a nine-month mandate to apparently do the same job. The names of the new committee members have not yet been released.

The Independent Reform Commission was convened for the purpose of looking at the governance structure of the TTFA, and to make much-needed recommendations for Constitutional reform, the last of which was done under Jack, and consolidated power into the hands of a few of his selected cronies.  What purpose does it serve to have the IRC make suggestions only to then go ahead and vote under the old nepotic system?  FIFA is troubled by the failures of the current by-laws to address separation and delegation of power within the TTFA.  Issues of transparency and accountability cannot be resolved with magic dust or a wave of the hand.  Amid all of the criticism directed at Tim Kee and Phillips, is a failure to acknowledge that there is significant holdover from the Warner/Camps/Roden years, in the current TTFA Executive Committee.  The holdover isn't just in the form of bodies, but of attitudes too, and much of that attitude is one of resistance to the attempts to transform the governance of the TTFA.  But you should know this, since some of them are constantly in your ears complaining about Tim Kee and Phillips.

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The decision to create a new constitution for local football was initially proposed by the TTFA, rather than FIFA, in April 2013. However, Valcke said the the FIFA Associations Committee now feels it so important that it has overruled the present TTFA bylaws in a bid to keep Tim Kee in charge until it is completed to the governing body’s liking.

The delay in the elections is designed to give the TTFA a chance to implement the changes recommended by the IRC.  The IRC could only advise, whereas the Reform Panel has the authority (if I'm correct) to actually adopt and implement the changes.  So no, the Reform Panel will not be doing the same thing as the Reform Commission. Those changes are also necessary in order to comply with new statutory changes in FIFA's own constitution, which it has mandated that member associations adopt into their own provisions.  These statutory changes, along with the TTFA constitutional reform has to be voted on in an Annual General Meeting.  The AGM was pushed back until July of next year so that several birds could be killed with one stone:

1) Change the Constitution
2) Conform the TTFA bylaws to streamline them with FIFA changes
3) Vote on adoption of the changes
4) Vote in accordance with the new amendments during the delayed elections.

The delay allows for a much more democratic vote than the current system as FF points out here:

Before Jack Warner every club had a vote. The referees association had a vote. Secondary schools league had a vote.
Jack had it changed to only the zonal heads could vote. i.e. 5-6 votes. Easy to buy and sell.

The TTFA vote has been delayed so the changes can be implemented. If Tim Kee really wanted to guarantee power he would hold elections tomorrow

Now tell me how this will be the same if we go back to one club one vote!
Better yet propose a better system.



Far from 'protecting' Tim Kee, the delay and changes to the bylaws will disseminate votes among a wider electorate and ostensibly could make his re-election even more challenging... quite the opposite from what your (deliberately) misleading headline and article suggests.

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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2014, 06:28:06 AM »
Ok now we getting some discussion
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Lasana this is real garbage.

Ah sorry. I taking off my moderator hat on this one. Views expressed do not indicate SW Online official views.
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Re: Reform commission for TTFA.
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2014, 09:15:19 AM »

well for one, let me further clarify myself the one club vote is still a sketchy issue for me... bc i don't know if that includes the pro league and super league... the veterans association and other entities that have played an integral part in the building and sustaining of TT football...

i believe it should consist of past players, present players and a segment of the population, which would prevent the isolation from the public that we have seen in the past..

i will elaborate later when i get up and make suggestions..



The Pro League has a vote, as does the Veteran Players and current players will have a vote as well.  I don't think the Super League has one, but I could be wrong on that.  Voting is reserved for members of the TTFA, so the public won't have a vote, just as John Q. Public doesn't have a vote in England, the US, Canada etc.  The next logical question then is "How does one become a member?"... which is governed by the Constitution.  There is a nomination and a vote by the general membership (I believe), all of this is to be addressed by the constitutional changes being proposed by Tim Kee and the Independent Reform Commission.

much appreciated bakes :beermug:

good question, I was also thinking along those lines in terms of what qualifies you to vote???

I believe sw.net/wn should have one vote, which is determined by long standing members of the forum and WN maybe...

i look forward to hearing about that reform commission, i remember we posted how the process happened a while back, hopefully we can resurrect that thread for our own reference..

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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2014, 09:18:03 AM »
Eitherway, Tim Kee reform still better than Jack Warner own.

Once he do things right.

I hope de new constitution have something where men can only rule for two terms.

I want to see de new constitution.

Jack Waner put his people in power in de zones so he could win all de time, I hope de new TTFA do things fair.

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Not trying to pile on but considering your talents, this is absolutely atrocious SWFR.  I have been trying to give the benefit of the doubt but it really looks like you just have an ax to grind that somehow cannot be sharpened.

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Seven months cannot change anything even if that is Tim Kee plan.

Tim Kee very stubborn and hate de SWO fans, but at least he reform still better than Jack Warner own.

Once he do things right.

I hope de new constitution have something where men can only rule for two terms.

I want to see de new constitution.

Jack Waner put his people in power in de zones so he could win all de time, I hope de new TTFA do things fair.

I want to know when de election for a new press officer coming? It seems he job more secure than anyone else.

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Seven months cannot change anything even if that is Tim Kee plan.

Tim Kee very stubborn and hate de SWO fans, but at least he reform still better than Jack Warner own.

Once he do things right.

I hope de new constitution have something where men can only rule for two terms.

I want to see de new constitution.

Jack Waner put his people in power in de zones so he could win all de time, I hope de new TTFA do things fair.

I want to know when de election for a new press officer coming? It seems he job more secure than anyone else.



The proposal that the Reform Commission made, which Tim Kee is trying to put in place would limit the terms of the President to two consecutive terms.  This means you could serve, get re-elected again, but come the third time you have to step down and let somebody else serve.  After that you're free to start all over and run again.  Now why would Tim Kee want to do that if is power he really trying to hold onto so?  If he really wanted to be "ah next Jack Warner" as some jackass commentator on Lasana's site say... why would he be in favor of spreading out the vote and limiting the term?  Is either Lasana reading things and not understanding what it is he reading, or as I say he just on a campaign of lies and mischaraterizations.  It is a crying shame either way because once upon a time he was a fine journalist, if not the best in Trinidad... a man whose word you never had to doubt.

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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2014, 10:04:46 AM »

much appreciated bakes :beermug:

good question, I was also thinking along those lines in terms of what qualifies you to vote???

I believe sw.net/wn should have one vote, which is determined by long standing members of the forum and WN maybe...

i look forward to hearing about that reform commission, i remember we posted how the process happened a while back, hopefully we can resurrect that thread for our own reference..

I had a chance to look at the recommendations made by the Reform Commission and let me tell you, I was very impressed.  Shaka and them take a look at everything, from top to bottom.  They also brought in Deloitte to advise them on what changes in governance need to be made.  Deloitte took their own management model, they then took some things from the management model used by the English FA, and finally they take a look at what the law for corporate governance is right there in Trinidad, and use all three to come up with a new proposed governance structure.  But they could only make recommendations.  It's up to the Reform Panel now to adopt the recommended changes.  If those changes happen, it will be  a new day for football governance in TnT.

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Seven months cannot change anything even if that is Tim Kee plan.

Tim Kee very stubborn and hate de SWO fans, but at least he reform still better than Jack Warner own.

Once he do things right.

I hope de new constitution have something where men can only rule for two terms.

I want to see de new constitution.

Jack Waner put his people in power in de zones so he could win all de time, I hope de new TTFA do things fair.

I want to know when de election for a new press officer coming? It seems he job more secure than anyone else.



The proposal that the Reform Commission made, which Tim Kee is trying to put in place would limit the terms of the President to two consecutive terms.  This means you could serve, get re-elected again, but come the third time you have to step down and let somebody else serve.  After that you're free to start all over and run again.  Now why would Tim Kee want to do that if is power he really trying to hold onto so?  If he really wanted to be "ah next Jack Warner" as some jackass commentator on Lasana's site say... why would he be in favor of spreading out the vote and limiting the term?  Is either Lasana reading things and not understanding what it is he reading, or as I say he just on a campaign of lies and mischaraterizations.  It is a crying shame either way because once upon a time he was a fine journalist, if not the best in Trinidad... a man whose word you never had to doubt.

if this is indeed the direction they are heading in as bakes is pointing out, I believe Lasana should write an objective piece on the reform, rather than a skewed perspective as the one above... jmho

why tarnish your reputation, harboring a foolish grudge... objectivity is always appreciated

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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2014, 10:48:02 AM »

much appreciated bakes :beermug:

good question, I was also thinking along those lines in terms of what qualifies you to vote???

I believe sw.net/wn should have one vote, which is determined by long standing members of the forum and WN maybe...

i look forward to hearing about that reform commission, i remember we posted how the process happened a while back, hopefully we can resurrect that thread for our own reference..

I had a chance to look at the recommendations made by the Reform Commission and let me tell you, I was very impressed.  Shaka and them take a look at everything, from top to bottom.  They also brought in Deloitte to advise them on what changes in governance need to be made.  Deloitte took their own management model, they then took some things from the management model used by the English FA, and finally they take a look at what the law for corporate governance is right there in Trinidad, and use all three to come up with a new proposed governance structure.  But they could only make recommendations.  It's up to the Reform Panel now to adopt the recommended changes.  If those changes happen, it will be  a new day for football governance in TnT.

Where can we get sight of the recommendations?

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The recommendations of the IRC that I have seen here seem to be very sensible, although I haven't seen the full recommendations.

However, I am surprised that nobody is alarmed by the interference of FIFA in the local democratic elections. While FIFA may be the governing body, TTFA is supposedly run democratically by its members.
It may well make sense to delay the election, but has FIFA the ability to amend TTFA's constitution?

For example, the T&T government cannot override the THA elections.

Surely, the correct approach would be a members referendum with three options:

1 Delay the election until a specific date to allow for IRP recommendations
2 Hold the election as scheduled, allowing members time to consider the recommendations and submit any amendments before the next election.
3 Hold an election as scheduled for an interim president for a term of one year.

At this point, as far as I can discover here, the membership was not consulted about this delayed election. Presumably, Mr Tim-Kee did have his views heard by FIFA. So, how can FIFA force this decision without consulting the members? Hardly democratic.

Decisions such as these only fuel the fires of people like Lasana. Surely, transparency in the process is the best defence, even if the end result is well conceived and transparent.

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FIFA isn't interfering with anything, that is alarmist nonsense being put in Lasana's ear by the old-guard on the Ex Co.  FIFA wanted to step in two years ago and essentially put the TTFA under receivership, as is their right to do.  If I buy a McDonald's franchise and I'm running it into the ground and messing up the McDonald's brand, the parent corporation could step in and take over operations.  Same too with global football, the local FA's are operating with FIFA's approval and if things aren't being done properly, FIFA is authorized to step in and either revoke the local charter, or try and fix things as they see fit.

Say what you want about FIFA and corruption, but following the bribery scandal they took a long hard look (my guess is because of the involvement of the FBI et al) at themselves and instituted changes there in Zurich.  They then told every member FA that they needed to adopt similar changes in governance.  They had so little faith in the old TTFF that they almost took over running things.  Tim Kee et al. convinced Valcke and the rest of the oversight committee to give them a chance to clean things up... this is what lead to the formation of the Reform Commission.

The Reform Commission took longer than planned to finish making the recommendations, so that set everything back.  That's not necessarily a bad thing, because even though they took longer, it was a very comprehensive, professional review.  Now there were two choices:

1) Hold elections next month as scheduled, and not have a chance to implement changes for another year or two.  Or;
2) Delay the elections and buy some time to make the changes to make FIFA happy, but also to seize the opportunity to clean up the TTFA once and for all, just as critics have been clamoring for for years.

Tim Kee was the one who asked for permission to delay the vote, he laid out his reasons, and Valcke and the Associations Committee agreed with his reason.  It made no sense to hold the elections next month under the current corrupt system.  For all we know a new old-guard crony would have been voted in and the recommendations would never see the light of day... because the old-guard don't want things to change.  As I said earlier, what is the sense voting under the same corrupt status quo when you could delay the process so that more people who legitimately have a stake in local football could have more say in who's running things?

I think people have these fancy pie-in-the-sky ideas about 'referendum' and what not, losing sight of what the reality is on the ground in Trinidad.

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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2014, 11:31:57 AM »
Where can we get sight of the recommendations?

I got a copy from a friend of a friend of a friend of someone who was part of the Commission, but I don't have permission to make it public.  I think they're trying to get the TTFA to publish the full report, which might only be a matter of time.

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Where can we get sight of the recommendations?

I got a copy from a friend of a friend of a friend of someone who was part of the Commission, but I don't have permission to make it public.  I think they're trying to get the TTFA to publish the full report, which might only be a matter of time.
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FIFA isn't interfering with anything, that is alarmist nonsense being put in Lasana's ear by the old-guard on the Ex Co.  FIFA wanted to step in two years ago and essentially put the TTFA under receivership, as is their right to do.  If I buy a McDonald's franchise and I'm running it into the ground and messing up the McDonald's brand, the parent corporation could step in and take over operations.  Same too with global football, the local FA's are operating with FIFA's approval and if things aren't being done properly, FIFA is authorized to step in and either revoke the local charter, or try and fix things as they see fit.

Say what you want about FIFA and corruption, but following the bribery scandal they took a long hard look (my guess is because of the involvement of the FBI et al) at themselves and instituted changes there in Zurich.  They then told every member FA that they needed to adopt similar changes in governance.  They had so little faith in the old TTFF that they almost took over running things.  Tim Kee et al. convinced Valcke and the rest of the oversight committee to give them a chance to clean things up... this is what lead to the formation of the Reform Commission.

The Reform Commission took longer than planned to finish making the recommendations, so that set everything back.  That's not necessarily a bad thing, because even though they took longer, it was a very comprehensive, professional review.  Now there were two choices:

1) Hold elections next month as scheduled, and not have a chance to implement changes for another year or two.  Or;
2) Delay the elections and buy some time to make the changes to make FIFA happy, but also to seize the opportunity to clean up the TTFA once and for all, just as critics have been clamoring for for years.

Tim Kee was the one who asked for permission to delay the vote, he laid out his reasons, and Valcke and the Associations Committee agreed with his reason.  It made no sense to hold the elections next month under the current corrupt system.  For all we know a new old-guard crony would have been voted in and the recommendations would never see the light of day... because the old-guard don't want things to change.  As I said earlier, what is the sense voting under the same corrupt status quo when you could delay the process so that more people who legitimately have a stake in local football could have more say in who's running things?

I think people have these fancy pie-in-the-sky ideas about 'referendum' and what not, losing sight of what the reality is on the ground in Trinidad.

Fair enough. Maybe a more comprehensive explanation like yours would have been more useful to the public.
Regarding the reality on the ground, there were very genuine new contenders who were apparently gaining support to stand for the presidency (and, no, Sancho wasn't one of them, although he has been approached quite a few times by people asking him to throw his hat it). There does seem to be a more competitive atmosphere surrounding these elections than I have witnessed before, which must be a good thing.

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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2014, 11:42:39 AM »
They need to publish it though... I think once they do then people would realize the positive changes they have in mind.

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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2014, 11:48:40 AM »

much appreciated bakes :beermug:

good question, I was also thinking along those lines in terms of what qualifies you to vote???

I believe sw.net/wn should have one vote, which is determined by long standing members of the forum and WN maybe...

i look forward to hearing about that reform commission, i remember we posted how the process happened a while back, hopefully we can resurrect that thread for our own reference..

I had a chance to look at the recommendations made by the Reform Commission and let me tell you, I was very impressed.  Shaka and them take a look at everything, from top to bottom.  They also brought in Deloitte to advise them on what changes in governance need to be made.  Deloitte took their own management model, they then took some things from the management model used by the English FA, and finally they take a look at what the law for corporate governance is right there in Trinidad, and use all three to come up with a new proposed governance structure.  But they could only make recommendations.  It's up to the Reform Panel now to adopt the recommended changes.  If those changes happen, it will be  a new day for football governance in TnT.

That's good to know from a tax, audit and financial advisory perspective, are they also engaging a credible law firm to jointly structure the model with Deloitte?

look forward to seeing the proposal when it is made public...

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Fair enough. Maybe a more comprehensive explanation like yours would have been more useful to the public.
Regarding the reality on the ground, there were very genuine new contenders who were apparently gaining support to stand for the presidency (and, no, Sancho wasn't one of them, although he has been approached quite a few times by people asking him to throw his hat it). There does seem to be a more competitive atmosphere surrounding these elections than I have witnessed before, which must be a good thing.

Listen, Lasana knows all of this... this I know for FACT.  He always tried to make it seem as though Tim Kee was pushing the normalization committee (what I described as "receivership" above), but it wasn't just Tim Kee, it was everybody who legitimately wanted to see the FA cleaned up, including Shaka and Lincoln Phillips.  It was only upon second thought that they asked FIFA to hold off on forcing the normalization committed down our throats, and to give the TTFA time to clean up it's act itself.  Which is what they did.  But Lasana wouldn't write it that way, he rather make it seem like Tim Kee is grasping at different straws in order to retain power.

As for the situation on the ground, many people were lined up to feed at the trough under Jack.  None of them want to see things changed.  I  could tell you that the regional heads don't want to lose their monopoly on the vote, which is precisely what is going to happen.  Either they go along with the reforms or FIFA will eventually step in and force reforms through.  It is good that the new elections getting some buzz... I see Kelvin (Jack) setting up to throw his hat in the ring.  I wish him well, no matter what acrimony there is between him and the current leadership, I don't question his motivation, and if nothing else, he could help make some changes from the inside.

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« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2014, 12:11:44 PM »

That's good to know from a tax, audit and financial advisory perspective, are they also engaging a credible law firm to jointly structure the model with Deloitte?

look forward to seeing the proposal when it is made public...

I don't think an outside law firm was involved, but the fact that Deloitte spearheaded the proposals should be good enough.  That and Independent senator Elton Prescott (who is a Senior Counsel) was the head of the Reform Commission.

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FIFA isn't interfering with anything, that is alarmist nonsense being put in Lasana's ear by the old-guard on the Ex Co.  FIFA wanted to step in two years ago and essentially put the TTFA under receivership, as is their right to do.  If I buy a McDonald's franchise and I'm running it into the ground and messing up the McDonald's brand, the parent corporation could step in and take over operations.  Same too with global football, the local FA's are operating with FIFA's approval and if things aren't being done properly, FIFA is authorized to step in and either revoke the local charter, or try and fix things as they see fit.

Say what you want about FIFA and corruption, but following the bribery scandal they took a long hard look (my guess is because of the involvement of the FBI et al) at themselves and instituted changes there in Zurich.  They then told every member FA that they needed to adopt similar changes in governance.  They had so little faith in the old TTFF that they almost took over running things.  Tim Kee et al. convinced Valcke and the rest of the oversight committee to give them a chance to clean things up... this is what lead to the formation of the Reform Commission.

The Reform Commission took longer than planned to finish making the recommendations, so that set everything back.  That's not necessarily a bad thing, because even though they took longer, it was a very comprehensive, professional review.  Now there were two choices:

1) Hold elections next month as scheduled, and not have a chance to implement changes for another year or two.  Or;
2) Delay the elections and buy some time to make the changes to make FIFA happy, but also to seize the opportunity to clean up the TTFA once and for all, just as critics have been clamoring for for years.

Tim Kee was the one who asked for permission to delay the vote, he laid out his reasons, and Valcke and the Associations Committee agreed with his reason.  It made no sense to hold the elections next month under the current corrupt system.  For all we know a new old-guard crony would have been voted in and the recommendations would never see the light of day... because the old-guard don't want things to change.  As I said earlier, what is the sense voting under the same corrupt status quo when you could delay the process so that more people who legitimately have a stake in local football could have more say in who's running things?

I think people have these fancy pie-in-the-sky ideas about 'referendum' and what not, losing sight of what the reality is on the ground in Trinidad.

well said  :beermug:

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« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2014, 12:30:49 PM »

That's good to know from a tax, audit and financial advisory perspective, are they also engaging a credible law firm to jointly structure the model with Deloitte?

look forward to seeing the proposal when it is made public...

I don't think an outside law firm was involved, but the fact that Deloitte spearheaded the proposals should be good enough.  That and Independent senator Elton Prescott (who is a Senior Counsel) was the head of the Reform Commission.

That's comforting to hear that Elton is working on this, I have heard a lot of great things about him and he is more than capable. With that said I believe we are on the right path, it is a matter of patience imo... thank you for the updates  :beermug:

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Fair enough. Maybe a more comprehensive explanation like yours would have been more useful to the public.
Regarding the reality on the ground, there were very genuine new contenders who were apparently gaining support to stand for the presidency (and, no, Sancho wasn't one of them, although he has been approached quite a few times by people asking him to throw his hat it). There does seem to be a more competitive atmosphere surrounding these elections than I have witnessed before, which must be a good thing.

Listen, Lasana knows all of this... this I know for FACT.  He always tried to make it seem as though Tim Kee was pushing the normalization committee (what I described as "receivership" above), but it wasn't just Tim Kee, it was everybody who legitimately wanted to see the FA cleaned up, including Shaka and Lincoln Phillips.  It was only upon second thought that they asked FIFA to hold off on forcing the normalization committed down our throats, and to give the TTFA time to clean up it's act itself.  Which is what they did.  But Lasana wouldn't write it that way, he rather make it seem like Tim Kee is grasping at different straws in order to retain power.

As for the situation on the ground, many people were lined up to feed at the trough under Jack.  None of them want to see things changed.  I  could tell you that the regional heads don't want to lose their monopoly on the vote, which is precisely what is going to happen.  Either they go along with the reforms or FIFA will eventually step in and force reforms through.  It is good that the new elections getting some buzz... I see Kelvin (Jack) setting up to throw his hat in the ring.  I wish him well, no matter what acrimony there is between him and the current leadership, I don't question his motivation, and if nothing else, he could help make some changes from the inside.

Kelvin Jack could not stand as it would be a conflict of interest as the legal case is still ongoing!!

 

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