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Runners up for a second straight time.
By Shaun Fuentes (TTFA).


Trinidad and Tobago’s Senior footballers succumbed to Jamaica on penalty kicks but a second place finish at the Caribbean Cup Finals is still a proud achievement and leaves a lot to anticipate going forward.

That was the feeling of head coach Stephen Hart at the end of the match in which a Khaleem Hyland missed penalty gave Jamaica the 2014 title after both teams battled to a scoreless draw before a partisan Jamaican crowd at the Montego Bay Sports Complex. This was the second straight runner up finish for T&T after losing 1-0 to Cuba in the 2012 final.

There was disappointment all around in the T&T dressing room and at the team hotel afterwards but Hart told his players that they must take the experience with them and use it to their benefit going forward.

“It was not the result any of us wanted but as a team and as the head coach of the team I thought the overall match was a good measuring stick for us and a good one for us as it relates to our preparations for playing World Cup qualifying matches away from home in a few months,” Hart told TTFA Media.

“I was proud of the way the players handled the conditions throughout the competition and especially tonight. Some people may argue that it wasn’t our best performance and fair enough. Maybe the fans back home deserved to see a better game but this was a final against the hosts and Jamaica being a team with an impressive home record, it was never going to be an easy contest. And the game showed us that.

There were some good moments for us and particularly near the end when we could have stolen it with a late winner. This is exactly what we are going to face when we are on the road for our World Cup qualifiers,” Hart added.

As he looked back at the game, he stressed the need for more international games for the country.

“We just didn’t get our rhythm going and most of the times we lacked that final telling ball that could have created more scoring chances for us. I’m not making any excuses but the schedule of four games in eight days didn’t help us and yes Jamaica showed more energy than us at times but they were at home and several of their players are playing ninety minutes of top flight football every week, Some of our players are not getting that at the moment and it’s something we will look at and work on.

“And of course we have to get a regular schedule of training camps and warm up matches if we are to find ourselves in a position where we can safely maintain a high level or consistent level of play for long periods,” Hart said.

Kevin Molino had T&T’s best opportunity in the 23rd minute but his right footer missed the upright after Kenwyne Jones laid it up for him from an incoming cross.

Jamaica kept pressing for the go ahead goal but T&T kept it solid at the back to deny the hosts. Leyton Orient midfielder Jobi McAnuff had some good looks at goal but his finishing was a let down.

T&T appeared jaded as the second half progressed and Jamaica also took their game down to walking pace at times but the hosts were determined not to let down their fans while T&T searched for something inspiring on the pitch. It almost came in the dying stages of regulation time when Guerra connected with a loose ball but his shot went inches wide to the dismay of the T&T players both on the field and on the bench.

Jones muffed the opening penalty and when Jan Michael Williams stopped one to bring T&T back in it after Molino, Guerra and Joevin Jones clinically converted their kicks, the Racing Genk then skied his attempt over bar to give Jamaica the Cup.

T&T are through to the CONCACAF Gold Cup 2015 but while Jamaica are through to the Gold Cup as well as the 2015 Copa America (by invitation) and the 2016 Centennial Copa America. T&T can still qualify for the 2015 Copa America but will have to do so by finishing as one of  the two play-off winners from among the four highest finishers in the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup not already qualified, or finish winners of the 2015 Gold Cup.

“We’ve made progress. I’m proud of my team. We’ve got work to do but we’re in the Gold Cup so all is not lost. We have some internal problems to be fixed and we’ve got programs to plan and implement. We’ll be fine because we’ve got a capable, committed squad and we also have some players to add who were not in this tournament,” Hart ended.

Teams

Trinidad and Tobago: 21.Jan-Michael Williams; 2.Justin Hoyte, 26.Aubrey David, 6.Daneil Cyrus, 3.Joevin Jones (Yellow 42); 14.Andre Boucaud (Yellow 50) (5.Kevan George 105th), 8.Khaleem Hyland (Yellow 48); 23.Lester Peltier (13.Cordell Cato 67th), 10.Kevin Molino, 7.Hughtun Hector (11.Ataullah Guerra 82nd); 9.Kenwyne Jones (capt).

Unused substitutes: 1.Marvin Phillip (GK), 24.Adrian Foncette (GK), 12.Radanfah Abu Bakr, 15.Jamal Gay, 16.Shahdon Winchester, 17.Leston Paul, 18.Yohance Marshall, 19.Carlyle Mitchell, 27.Jonathan Glenn.

Coach: Stephen Hart.

Jamaica: 1.Andre Bake; 7.Hughan Gay, 5.Alvas Powell, 6.Jermaine Taylor, 20.Kemar Lawrence; 15.Je-Vaughn Watson, 17.Rodolph Austin (Yellow 30) (capt); 11.Dane Richards (16.Joel Grant 56th), 10.Jobi McAnuff; 18.Simon Dawkins (12.Demar Phillips 71st), 21.Darren Mattocks (9.Michael Seaton 93rd).

Unused substitutes: 13.Ryan Thompson (GK), 2.Nyron Nosworthy, 3.Craig Foster, 4.Upston Edwards, 8.Nicholay Finlayson.

Coach: Winfried Schäfer.

PENALTIES

1-0 Jermaine Taylor (Jamaica), Good
1-0 Kenwyne Jones (Trinidad & Tobago), Saved
2-0 Jobi McAnuff (Jamaica), Good
2-1 Attaullah Guerra (Trinidad & Tobago), Good
3-1 Demar Phillips (Jamaica), Good
3-2 Kevin Molino (Trinidad & Tobago), Good
3-2 Michael Seaton (Jamaica), Saved
3-3 Joevin Jones (Trinidad & Tobago), Good
4-3 Rodolph Austin (Jamaica), Good
4-3 Khaleem Hyland (Trinidad & Tobago), Missed

Jamaica claims Caribbean Cup crown on PKs.
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MONTEGO BAY, Jamaica – Jamaica captured the Caribbean Cup title for a sixth time, outlasting Trinidad & Tobago 4-3 on penalty kicks after the final ended in a scoreless draw on Tuesday at the Montego Bay Sports Complex.

Khaleem Hyland missed on the Soca Warriors’ last attempt after Rodolph Austin applied the pressure by converting on the host’s fifth try.

Both sides had already sealed berths in next year’s CONCACAF Gold Cup, but the Jamaicans earned an added bonus of direct qualification to the 2016 Centennial Cup America.

The tightly-contested encounter between a pair of evenly-matched teams produced precious few scoring chances before the hour mark.

Jamaica’s Jobi McAnuff had the best in the 19th minute.  The Leyton Orient standout missed the right post by the slightest of margins after swopping in to follow-up on an effort by Dane Richards that goalkeeper Jan-Michael Williams did well to save.

In a 56th minute bid to loosen up the middle, team captain Austin cranked an attempt from 35-yards out that perhaps came closer than even he initially anticipated.

Reggae Boyz forward Darren Mattocks, who scored in each of the first three games, was frustrated with himself for not making better contact on an 81st minute header.

The Trinidadians found a new gear with minutes left in the second half as Daneil Cyrus headed over the crossbar off a corner kick, while second-half substitute Ataullah Guerra’s low drive from 25-yards out skipped just beyond the right post.

McAnuff nearly netted in the 93rd minute, but didn’t realize he had more time to shoot and hurriedly fired over the crossbar from just inside the box.

Jamaica and Trinidad, which has won a record eight Caribbean championships, completed the competition with the same unbeaten records at 2-2-0.

« Last Edit: November 19, 2014, 09:15:52 AM by Flex »
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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2014, 05:58:41 AM »
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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2014, 07:40:22 AM »
We are far from being a team ready to earn World Cup qualification. Coming up against CR, Mex, and the US we will be facing just another defeat if our mental toughness and football IQ do not change soon.

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2014, 12:06:19 PM »
Yo, Coach Hart, you got jokes.

On one side of your face you said you are not making excuses for last night's performance and then on the other side you are saying that it is difficult to beat Jamaica at home. That is an excuse, boss. Your team should have been able to beat Jamaica even if you were playing them on the moon.

World Cup? Yeah, okay.

Listen, there is an epidemic in Trinidad, and to a similar extent in Tobago, called "Poor standard of football". You have heard of it and you have seen it, up close and personal. This epidemic didn't just start last night and it will not end anytime soon unless and until a change is effected at the very top starting with the incompetent administration controlling the cause of the epidemic, and that means starting with your boss, tiny tim himself.

I said in a previous thread that the role of the president of the federation requires a dynamic leader at the helm who must give 110% of himself to the everyday operation of the organization and based on that fact alone, tiny tim is not the man for this position. Being the Mayor of POS requires a dynamic leader that has the time and the energy and the leadership skills that job responsibility demands and so too does the role and responsibility of being the president of the federation. Nothing else will suffice.

I think Mr. KJ Henderson, Demand Media, said it best when he described the role and responsibility of the president of any organization. He said:

Every organization, regardless of size, location or corporate structure, must have a leader who performs tasks aimed at developing the organization's vision and implementing the policies and procedures that allow that vision to be accomplished. The chief executive of the organization, a president directs each company employee. If employed by a corporation, he is accountable to the board of directors. Entrepreneurs who maintain sole proprietorships, however, are accountable only to themselves.

In order for a business to achieve success, goals must be set. While the primary goal is always the continuous generation of revenue, the goals developed and implemented by an organization’s president encompass many areas in addition to sales. He/She creates the long- and short-term strategies surrounding the marketing of products and services, as well as the research and development of current and new offerings. He/She assesses the organization’s staffing needs, anticipating and planning for any expansion or reduction of the employee population. In a corporation, strategy is developed in cooperation with the board of directors. Owners of small sole proprietorships, however, have the luxury of making these decisions independently.

Performance Management

As an organization conducts its business, a president regularly reviews its performance. In many instances, reviews are conducted through face-to-face meetings with each direct report, such as the vice president of sales and the vice president of media relations. During these meetings, the president reviews the financial statements of each department with the intent of ensuring each is working within its budget. If expenses need to be cut, he makes such assessments at these times. He also communicates new and modified policies. It is the responsibility of all department heads to implement the policies within their groups.

Additionally, a president annually administers a review of his direct reports' overall performance. At this time, he address concerns and praises successes. Quite often, the manager’s compensation is directly affected by the results of the president’s review.

Public Relations

A president serves as the face of her organization. In additional to addressing the internal community through interoffice memorandums and corporate newsletters, she represents her firm throughout the external community. She may serve on the board of area nonprofit organizations. She may also maintain membership in professional organizations associated with her industry. Additionally, a president speaks to members of the media, relaying positive information as well as communicating messages during times of crisis management.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2014, 11:41:55 AM by SWO_TNTFAN »
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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2014, 12:13:32 PM »
Hart made some good points "too many players are not playing full games, Jamaican players are playing more 90 mins games with their clubs. Players not listening to instructions and doing their own thing like using too many long balls" Good luck to Hart it's a tough job if you can't get the players in camps more often.

I think that some players didn't quite understand their roles in the 4-2-3-1 system when they were under pressure as we had too many big gaps between lines, also switching Molino out wide seems to not have work well, he seems more comfortable in the # 10 role

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2014, 12:15:38 PM »

Yo, Coach Hart, you got jokes.

On one side of your face you said you are not making excuses for last night's performance and then on the other side you are saying that it is difficult to beat Jamaica at home. That is an excuse, boss. Your team should have been able to beat Jamaica even if you were playing them on the moon.

It's not an excuse when it is a fact.

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2014, 12:46:14 PM »

Yo, Coach Hart, you got jokes.

On one side of your face you said you are not making excuses for last night's performance and then on the other side you are saying that it is difficult to beat Jamaica at home. That is an excuse, boss. Your team should have been able to beat Jamaica even if you were playing them on the moon.

It's not an excuse when it is a fact.
This is what I know about facts like this.

Last year you were the best team in the world and no one can change that fact, but this year is a different year and I can change that fact by becoming the best team in the world and if I don't prepare for that outcome and make that a reality then I find excuses because I allowed the past to repeat itself.

You cannot change the past but you can affect change in the future. That is a fact. His team had an opportunity to change that fact last night and failed and now he is making excuses.
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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2014, 12:59:32 PM »
Guys, give the coach a bligh, he came up with the best possible plan with the highest chances of getting us a result in a hostile environment and not our preferred surface. He didn't bring on guerra sooner because the game would be more open, if u didn't notice JA is most dangerous running at our defense. We had our chances, in football you have to make those count.

I think the timing for the payment for players was poor and unsettling. The players needed to be focused on the game not doing interviews about the TTFA and the paychecks owed to them.

Lesson learnt, there is no need to flame our players they all performed admirably, even KJ, he fought hard it just wasn't our night, that became clear when Molino shot was off target, normally he would bury those.

Lets reflect on this but look forward to the Gold Cup.

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In memory of a sad football day
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2014, 08:10:43 AM »
In memory of a sad football day
By Alvin Corneal (T&T Guardian)


The challenge of the past few months for our national men’s Soca Warriors ended in what many considered an ideal final against Jamaica, two countries with strong rivalry history in almost every aspect of their existence.

Fortunately, sport has remained as the most intense output from the bunch of talented sportsmen and women whose respect for each other is probably the most successful.

To repeat the off the field occurrence regarding the rumour which seemed to have unsettled the Trini fans, was tantamount to the desire to see these two top Caribbean countries battle for that special place at the top in the region.

Because I am not an advocate of making weak excuses, my expectations were based strictly upon the performances of the teams as they ploughed through their opponents with their competence and their reputations to remain fully intact.

Some may have claimed that this ill-timed request for payments to them by the TTFA within hours of the whistle for the final, could well result in one way or another.

But when all was settled, the task of getting organized for the encounter was now in the hands of two coaches, both with the mindset of a particular approach  as to what type of game their players will implore best.

On the field of play, the job was left to the players to follow the instructions, mixed with their appropriate technique and understanding of the great game.

Did they really achieve their goal? Some will judge the performances by the statistics which hardly ever reveals the quality of play, other than to know how many shots at goal, inaccurate passes, etc were taken by each team.

Honestly, except for a few patches of individual flair, which produced some superb interpassing, swift movement into creative spaces, ending with an attempt at goal, and was demonstrated by a Jamaican squad whose passion to gain a positive result was oozing out of their aggressive bodies in order to achieve their goal.

The Warriors never looked the part and as the experts always say: A team is as good as its last match, and in this case their last match against Cuba was comparable to the final.

How could a bunch of professionals spend hours on the field, some in the classroom, and produce a moderate level of football, the sport for which they make their livelihood?

The basic fundamentals in this wonderful game are all based upon technical competence, teamwork, positive attitude and most importantly, the art of passing in its various forms.

When coach Stephen Hart, in his TV interview, could bemoan the poor quality and aimless long passing, following the final two matches of this tournament, could someone tell me what these guys have been doing with their long and tedious sessions for two weeks, and failed at the end of it all.

No one could explain the lethargy of skipper Kenwyne Jones, the disoriented quagmire of four talented midfielders, which provided minimal potency in attack, a small percentage of ball possession in the middle of the field and a defence which was saved by total competence of Daniel Cyrus, and Aubrey David, two players whose pay packets cannot even pay the taxes of some of the more high-profile “stalwarts”.

One half of a scoring chance in one hundred and twenty minutes coming from a team including Jones, Lester Peltier and Kevin Molino whose livelihood are based upon scoring goals. Even the half chance was a gallant effort by Cyrus.

In the meanwhile, the Jamaicans demonstrated their aggression, their positive attitude to earn the desired result, and who brought their supporters to their feet by some superb chemistry on their way to the Warriors penalty area.

As a matter of fact, our only consolation was that we survived two hours without conceding a goal, before being outscored from the penalty spot.

So, to those fans who threw the blame of the “no money, no play” at the door of a poor showing. Money does not win football matches, good football does.

If you have some doubts, then ask Manchester United, and Manchester City.

We have failed miserably my friends. Our repair system must begin NOW otherwise, we may find the use of a cricket scoreboard, if we perform at the same standard against Mexico, Costa Rica, or the USA in next year’s Gold Cup.
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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2014, 11:44:44 AM »
Yo, Coach Hart, you got jokes.

On one side of your face you said you are not making excuses for last night's performance and then on the other side you are saying that it is difficult to beat Jamaica at home. That is an excuse, boss. Your team should have been able to beat Jamaica even if you were playing them on the moon.

World Cup? Yeah, okay.

Listen, there is an epidemic in Trinidad, and to a similar extent in Tobago, called "Poor standard of football". You have heard of it and you have seen it, up close and personal. This epidemic didn't just start last night and it will not end anytime soon unless and until a change is effected at the very top starting with the incompetent administration controlling the cause of the epidemic, and that means starting with your boss, tiny tim himself.

I said in a previous thread that the role of the president of the federation requires a dynamic leader at the helm who must give 110% of himself to the everyday operation of the organization and based on that fact alone, tiny tim is not the man for this position. Being the Mayor of POS requires a dynamic leader that has the time and the energy and the leadership skills that job responsibility demands and so too does the role and responsibility of being the president of the federation. Nothing else will suffice.

I think Mr. KJ Henderson, Demand Media, said it best when he described the role and responsibility of the president of any organization. He said:

Every organization, regardless of size, location or corporate structure, must have a leader who performs tasks aimed at developing the organization's vision and implementing the policies and procedures that allow that vision to be accomplished. The chief executive of the organization, a president directs each company employee. If employed by a corporation, he is accountable to the board of directors. Entrepreneurs who maintain sole proprietorships, however, are accountable only to themselves.

In order for a business to achieve success, goals must be set. While the primary goal is always the continuous generation of revenue, the goals developed and implemented by an organization’s president encompass many areas in addition to sales. He/She creates the long- and short-term strategies surrounding the marketing of products and services, as well as the research and development of current and new offerings. He/She assesses the organization’s staffing needs, anticipating and planning for any expansion or reduction of the employee population. In a corporation, strategy is developed in cooperation with the board of directors. Owners of small sole proprietorships, however, have the luxury of making these decisions independently.

Performance Management

As an organization conducts its business, a president regularly reviews its performance. In many instances, reviews are conducted through face-to-face meetings with each direct report, such as the vice president of sales and the vice president of media relations. During these meetings, the president reviews the financial statements of each department with the intent of ensuring each is working within its budget. If expenses need to be cut, he makes such assessments at these times. He also communicates new and modified policies. It is the responsibility of all department heads to implement the policies within their groups.

Additionally, a president annually administers a review of his direct reports' overall performance. At this time, he address concerns and praises successes. Quite often, the manager’s compensation is directly affected by the results of the president’s review.

Public Relations

A president serves as the face of her organization. In additional to addressing the internal community through interoffice memorandums and corporate newsletters, she represents her firm throughout the external community. She may serve on the board of area nonprofit organizations. She may also maintain membership in professional organizations associated with her industry. Additionally, a president speaks to members of the media, relaying positive information as well as communicating messages during times of crisis management.

I have edited your post and removed the flame intented for our head coach. It is ok to state your opinion but please don't use these boards to insult anyone. Please be more courteous in the future and follow the forums rules and guidelines found here:
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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2014, 12:06:01 PM »
Guys, give the coach a bligh, he came up with the best possible plan with the highest chances of getting us a result in a hostile environment and not our preferred surface. He didn't bring on guerra sooner because the game would be more open, if u didn't notice JA is most dangerous running at our defense. We had our chances, in football you have to make those count.

I think the timing for the payment for players was poor and unsettling. The players needed to be focused on the game not doing interviews about the TTFA and the paychecks owed to them.

Lesson learnt, there is no need to flame our players they all performed admirably, even KJ, he fought hard it just wasn't our night, that became clear when Molino shot was off target, normally he would bury those.

Lets reflect on this but look forward to the Gold Cup.

Nonsense. no need to do what? they performed what? admirably? Ok so if this was an admirable performance lets not have high hopes for the Gold Cup or even think about WC qualification.

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2014, 12:44:20 PM »
Guys, give the coach a bligh, he came up with the best possible plan with the highest chances of getting us a result in a hostile environment and not our preferred surface. He didn't bring on guerra sooner because the game would be more open, if u didn't notice JA is most dangerous running at our defense. We had our chances, in football you have to make those count.

I think the timing for the payment for players was poor and unsettling. The players needed to be focused on the game not doing interviews about the TTFA and the paychecks owed to them.

Lesson learnt, there is no need to flame our players they all performed admirably, even KJ, he fought hard it just wasn't our night, that became clear when Molino shot was off target, normally he would bury those.

Lets reflect on this but look forward to the Gold Cup.

Nonsense. no need to do what? they performed what? admirably? Ok so if this was an admirable performance lets not have high hopes for the Gold Cup or even think about WC qualification.

Sando yes we lost the finals on PK's. Many users are making an assessment on how the team should of played but are not taking into consideration all the factors involved. The biggest problem was the players, coaches and technical staff salaries.  To put it very bluntly these guys put alot on the field more than other players would because if they are injured and not able to play for their respective clubs putting food on the table will be an issue. There is no guarantee these players will get paid even after the suggested boycott.

For long periods these wages are looming into the minds of the players and teams, preparation for the game was overshadowed by this, same thing happened with the women team. You did notice JA was more prepared for the finals than we did. I support Coach Hart because despite all the controversy he found a way to solidify tnt team so we were not embarrassed, kept the game close and to be fair anyone could have won it. Tnt wasn't played out of the park. The players didn't drop their heads, all of them fought very hard with everything they had. It is not easy to hold a home team for 120 minutes no matter where you go.

KJ had an off game, Hyland antics on the referee affected the calls we should be getting on KJ and Molino, instead referee allowed the hard play since both teams were doing it. Yes we lacked the discipline NOT to play JA game but it is hard to NOT get stuck in if men chopping down your team-mates. When the ball is played to KJ, he draws the players opens up Molino and get a call for a foul which sets us up for a free kick and possibly a corner from it. Our players are good in the air, but we didn't get those calls. Fouls on our offensive line was simply play on gesture from the referee.

You cannot blame KJ for missing that penalty either, better men have missed like Baggio. Better teams including tnt have went to JA and lost. Lets put this game behind us and look forward to the gold cup.

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In addition, we completed many objectives in the Caribbean Cup, with the most important been securing a spot at the Gold Cup.
Second, is to represent this country in a manner worthy of respect, honor and dedication.
Third, to ensure the safety and security of our players. No one was injured, maybe a few knocks.

In conclusion JA won via penalties on their own turf, under their own conditions via the pitch and did so by playing a risky but physical game against a team with internal issues.
They may have won but the professionalism shown by them was lacking, the way they treated our players, the way they behaved and even in the end showed that discipline in their team is something very real that they will have to work on if they are to properly represent Caribbean football.

I've always said winning has responsibilities. We all should respect and accept the result and wish JA all the best in the Gold Cup to represent this region in a manner that is deserves.
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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2014, 01:26:27 PM »
You mean  the Copa!!

under their own conditions via the pitch

Both teams played on the same pitch. There are bad pitches in TT you know. If it bad for TT, It bad for JA as well. but you are correct they had a very off game.

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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2014, 01:32:10 PM »
Deeks but JA use to playing on that pitch the way it is and had time to utilize it for their own benefit.

Considering how physical the game was and the way the referee allowed play to flow, it was very dangerous for us as well as JA. I am not making excuses, we lost but not without having a fair share of odds stacked against us.

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2014, 02:54:47 PM »
How about the Jamaican captain insulting Trinidad and Tobago in his post match interview on the issue of us not allowing Jamaicans into Trinidad. They won the game, but they obviously had more than just the match in mind, almost a bit of politics involved. I thought he was very disrespectful to say that in the interview, that loss makes it a little tougher to accept after that comment. A bit ignorant, with the disrespect to Molino at the end in the awards also.

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2014, 03:00:51 PM »
It's true especially a humble player like Molino. Most important thing is our players are home safe. This is JA problem not ours.

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2014, 03:22:19 PM »
Just a note on mention  the sentiment by many of their fans  on the jamaican forum  as well the daily newspapers  carried a political  twist to it  days and periods leading up to the game quite frankly i'm not surprise as it may have been used as a means to motivate  their players ..!!   But the disrespect displayed  was uncalled for!   Imagine not long ago one  of their polticians  stating national security minister griffith  ought to  shut up ..!! when it comes so f.. dem yes....... Ah eh playing no goody 2 shoes

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2014, 03:29:48 PM »
High standard
Hart says team’s short term future bright

By Ian Prescott
Trinidad and Tobago’s senior men’s football head coach Stephen Hart thinks that the level of play at the recently-concluded 2014 Caribbean Cup was good quality and the overall tournament of a high standard.

“I thought the tournament was excellent. Almost every country got the players that they wanted back,” Hart said. “The standard was quite high.” Hart also found the Caribbean Cup to be gruelling, with some players having to play four matches within a ten-day period. “Physically its difficult, but the teams handled it well. It was good quality.”

Hart beleives the availibility of overseas professionals to national teams for the first time in recent times made the tournament tough and competitive, one in which losing teams like Curacao and Antigua-Barbuda still proved hard to beat.

He also thinks that despite losing the final to Jamaica on penalty kicks, the short term future of the T&T national team is bright. “We are fine. We are in the Gold Cup. So, now we have to look for some international games, settle our internal problems and look for some international games and build the squad,” Hart said. “If you look, we have the nucleus of a good squad. We still have a few players to bring in, that was not available for selection. So we have till July (Gold Cup). We should be fine.”

Since the former Canada national coach took charge in June 2013, the Soca Warrior have shot up 30 spots the FIFA world rankings to a creditable 49th position. They have beaten all Caribbean opponents, including Jamaica twice. And three victories and a penalty-shootout defeat in the final of the Caribbean Cup, is likely to push the Soca Warriors further up the rankings.


T&T also reached the quarter-final stage of the CONCACAF Gold Cup for the first time in 13 years, and also had a good run in the OSN Cup where they beat Saudi Arabia and lost on penalties to the United Arab Emirates following a 3-3 draw.

The Warriors were also not disgraced in away friendlies defeats to World Cup runners-up Argentina and Asian champions Iran, just days before both teams competed at the 2014 World Cup in Brazil.

“We have done well in some games, but we haven’t played in enough games to sort of be consistent in what we do,” Hart said, citing that even Jamaica had played double figure internationals while T&T had just two prior (matches) to the Caribbean Cup.

Hart said long layoffs from international play was not good for building the T&T football programme. “We were behind physically and if we need to play at a higher level, at a Gold Cup level, we need to be much fitter and the players need to be playing football,’’ he said.

“If you look at their (Jamaica’s) squad, they have a lot of players plying consistently with their clubs. We are the opposite,” Hart said. “We have a lot of players that are not playing 90 minutes.”

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2014, 04:01:15 PM »
Highlights?
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De higher a monkey climbs is de less his ass is on de line, if he works for FIFA that is! ;-)

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2014, 04:36:59 PM »
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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2014, 08:48:01 PM »
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No one could explain the lethargy of skipper Kenwyne Jones...
Actually, if what I suspect is true, then Kenwyne has a lot to account for and I'll be surprised if I see him selected for a national team again for a long time.

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2014, 09:12:16 PM »
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No one could explain the lethargy of skipper Kenwyne Jones...
Actually, if what I suspect is true, then Kenwyne has a lot to account for and I'll be surprised if I see him selected for a national team again for a long time.

Yuh mean his recent comments against the TTFA and his play in the final?
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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2014, 09:50:48 PM »
More than just his comments, but yes his comments included along with his threat of a boycott, when it appears the players never contemplated any such action, and "the way things played out in the end." I'll just leave that broad and ambiguous like that for now. But let me be clear, I am in no way advocating for him to be disciplined merely for taking a stand against the no pay/slow pay issue.

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2014, 11:11:58 PM »
like mattocks don't know his name rhymes with .........

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2014, 11:15:41 PM »
I really wanted us to win that friggin game. Playing in the Copa Centenial will give them men some good international experience before the WC.

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2014, 12:24:26 AM »
I really wanted us to win that friggin game. Playing in the Copa Centenial will give them men some good international experience before the WC.

You did but what about the team?

Most of the fans in here wanted our team to win but the players did not play like a team who was hungry to be in the Copa Centennial

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Re: Runners up for a second straight time as T&T lose to Reggae Boyz.
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2014, 06:46:55 AM »
Coach Hart, Eve share mixed feelings
By JONATHAN RAMNANANSINGH (NEWSDAY).


STEPHEN HART, coach of the Trinidad and Tobago “Soca Warriors”, shared mixed feelings after his team’s 4-3 penalty-kick Caribbean Cup Finals loss at the hands of a visibly better Jamaican outfit when the competition climaxed at the Montego Bay Sports Club, Jamaica, on Tuesday night.

The unsettling result saw the squad, captained by Kenwyne Jones, miss out on a golden opportunity to secure a place in the 2016 Copa Continental Cup (Copa America) which will now feature the regional presence of the Jamaicans going up against some of South America’s top-flight teams. This was the second consecutive runner-up finish for TT after losing 1-0 to Cuba in the 2012 final.

Though daunted by Tuesday’s night’s loss, Hart still congratulated his players on their achievements and anticipates a bright future for national football.

After the match, there was disappointment all around the T&T dressing room and at the team hotel. However, Hart sat down with his prospects and insisted that they must take the experience with them and use it to their benefit going forward.

“It was not the result any of us wanted but as a team and as the coach of the team I thought the overall match was a good measuring stick for us and a good one for us as it relates to our preparations for playing World Cup qualifying matches away from home in a few months,” Hart said.

The former Canadian coach revealed that he was proud of the way the players handled the conditions throughout the competition. He admitted that the T&T team may have not been as impressive as compared to previous matches but still hailed the Jamaicans for their better display in the same breath.

“Maybe the fans back home deserved to see a better game but this was a final against the hosts and Jamaica being a team with an impressive home record, it was never going to be an easy contest. And the game showed us that. There were some good moments for us and particularly near the end when we could have stolen it with a late winner.

This is exactly what we are going to face when we are on the road for our World Cup qualifiers,” Hart added. As he looked back at the game, Hart stressed the need for more international games for the country. Another factor highlighted by seasoned coach was that the Soca Warriors had a heavy schedule of four games in eight days which may have suppressed their energies going into Tuesday’s final.

“We just didn’t get our rhythm going and most of the times we lacked that final telling ball that could have created more scoring chances for us.

I’m not making any excuses but the schedule of four games in eight days didn’t help us and yes Jamaica showed more energy than us at times but they were at home and several of their players are playing ninety minutes of top flight football every week, Some of our players are not getting that at the moment and it’s something we will look at and work on,” he added.

“And of course we have to get a regular schedule of training camps and warm up matches if we are to find ourselves in a position where we can safely maintain a high level or consistent level of play for long periods,” Hart said.

Delivering a similar opinion yesterday was former national captain Angus Eve, who was an analyst during the live broadcasts of the latter matches for the Jamaican sports channel Sportsmax for the final. Eve credited the T&T’s defensive strategy but indicated that the team lacked the final touch to find the back of the net.

“Credit to Hart and the team for the work leading up to the final,” said Eve yesterday. “Personally, I think we didn’t use the wings as much and Jamaica made sure to take advantage of that. They were all over the midfield and kept command. When it comes down to penalty kicks, it’s a king of lottery sometimes and the Jamaicans showed that they were better on the day.”

Both T&T and Jamaica are through to the Concacaf F Gold Cup 2015. Jamaica however, will be present at the 2015 Copa America (by invitation) and the 2016 Centennial Copa America.

T&T can still qualify for the 2015 Copa America but will have to do so by finishing among the two play-off winners among the four highest finishers in the 2015 Concacaf Gold Cup not already qualified, or finish winners of the 2015 Gold Cup.

“We’ve made progress. I’m proud of my team. We’ve got work to do but we’re in the Gold Cup so all is not lost. We have some internal problems to be fixed and we’ve got programs to plan and implement. We’ll be fine because we’ve got a capable, committed squad and we also have some players to add who were not in this tournament,” Hart ended.

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