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Re: 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup Thread.
« Reply #540 on: July 23, 2015, 11:24:10 AM »
Ey Panama deserve to go home. They played nasty football the entire tournament. The penalty claim was legit. Foul or no the referee let play go on then number 5 dived on the ball. If you look at the replay he knew exactly where the ball was and dived on it. It's a straight up penalty.

If we didn't have a hispanic referee when Panama played us  we would of gotten alot more calls as well. Go home Panama. Happy Mexico made it instead of them.

Even if we accept all the above to be accurate, what about Mexico's progression from the Costa Rica match?

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Re: 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup Thread.
« Reply #541 on: July 23, 2015, 11:32:23 AM »
Ey Panama deserve to go home. They played nasty football the entire tournament. The penalty claim was legit. Foul or no the referee let play go on then number 5 dived on the ball. If you look at the replay he knew exactly where the ball was and dived on it. It's a straight up penalty.

If we didn't have a hispanic referee when Panama played us  we would of gotten alot more calls as well. Go home Panama. Happy Mexico made it instead of them.

Even if we accept all the above to be accurate, what about Mexico's progression from the Costa Rica match?

That's the kicker isn't it?  :D

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Re: 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup Thread.
« Reply #542 on: July 23, 2015, 11:34:12 AM »
Is this real?

This is supposedly a Panama newspaper.

Just checked, it is real.
http://www.critica.com.pa/

It starts, "El gringo Mark Geiger..."   :rotfl:



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Re: 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup Thread.
« Reply #543 on: July 23, 2015, 11:39:08 AM »
Guardado claims he thought briefly about misfiring on the penalty. But then said, other teams have not treated Mexico with mercy in the past when calls were flawed. He said at the end of the day, he's a professional and had to execute as a professional.

What he didn't say is that no one in Mexico would have forgiven him for pursuing the first option. He would probably have lost the armband as well.

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« Reply #544 on: July 23, 2015, 11:51:56 AM »
Guardado claims he thought briefly about misfiring on the penalty. But then said, other teams have not treated Mexico with mercy in the past when calls were flawed. He said at the end of the day, he's a professional and had to execute as a professional.

What he didn't say is that no one in Mexico would have forgiven him for pursuing the first option. He would probably have lost the armband as well.

So he basically admitting that the ref gifted them a penalty and their team did not deserve to play in the finals...
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« Reply #545 on: July 23, 2015, 11:53:36 AM »
What is the football injustice that they claim Mexico has suffered? 

So he basically admitting that the ref gifted them a penalty and their team did not deserve to play in the finals...

Herrera himself said he didn't think it was a penalty.

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Re: 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup Thread.
« Reply #546 on: July 23, 2015, 12:04:40 PM »
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I understand that they are upset about the decision, but to go after the confederation in this manner is a bit childish.

If dey eh like CONCACAF, go join up with CONMEBOL and see how far yuh will progress.
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Re: 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup Thread.
« Reply #547 on: July 23, 2015, 12:36:35 PM »
Tejada and company going to face alot of disciplinary fines and suspensions for putting their hands on the referee. Esp Tejada  for refusing to leave the pitch.
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« Reply #548 on: July 23, 2015, 12:37:06 PM »
Something wrong with that ref.... You could see he was on shit. Concacaf refs are such cowards and many don't apply common sense to the game.

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« Reply #549 on: July 23, 2015, 12:42:06 PM »
Wish he was the referee for our game against Panama  :rotfl:

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Re: 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup Thread.
« Reply #550 on: July 23, 2015, 12:49:05 PM »
Ey Panama deserve to go home. They played nasty football the entire tournament. The penalty claim was legit. Foul or no the referee let play go on then number 5 dived on the ball. If you look at the replay he knew exactly where the ball was and dived on it. It's a straight up penalty.

If we didn't have a hispanic referee when Panama played us  we would of gotten alot more calls as well. Go home Panama. Happy Mexico made it instead of them.

Nah man, the ball was up in the air and he threw himself attempting to head it.  When he started his attempt there was no way to know where the ball would land.  He actually lost sight of the ball as it passed over the top of his head.  Then when he lands on it it touched his elbow and he immediately tried to get his arms out of the way.

Plus the Mexican was pulling him back trying to get the ball when he attempted to kick it back over his head. 
It should have been a free kick for Panama instead of all that horseshit we see there.

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Re: 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup Thread.
« Reply #551 on: July 23, 2015, 12:52:19 PM »
Ey Panama deserve to go home. They played nasty football the entire tournament. The penalty claim was legit. Foul or no the referee let play go on then number 5 dived on the ball. If you look at the replay he knew exactly where the ball was and dived on it. It's a straight up penalty.

If we didn't have a hispanic referee when Panama played us  we would of gotten alot more calls as well. Go home Panama. Happy Mexico made it instead of them.

Nah man, the ball was up in the air and he threw himself attempting to head it.  When he started his attempt there was no way to know where the ball would land.  He actually lost sight of the ball as it passed over the top of his head.  Then when he lands on it it touched his elbow and he immediately tried to get his arms out of the way.

Plus the Mexican was pulling him back trying to get the ball when he attempted to kick it back over his head. 
It should have been a free kick for Panama instead of all that horseshit we see there.


Look at the replay again. There was a foul on number 5, the referee said play on, he knew exactly where the ball was. He saw where it fell then dropped his body on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE43dom3zzI
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Re: 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup Thread.
« Reply #552 on: July 23, 2015, 12:54:10 PM »
By Felipe Maldonado Garcia


The Mexico men’s soccer team beat Panama Wednesday night in Atlanta in the semi-finals of the CONCACAF Gold Cup, on a 2-1 overtime win.

A penalty kick assigned by the referee at the 88th minute was a questionable call, and at the time, Panama was winning 1-0. The Mexican player scored the penalty kick, the match went to overtime and, on a second penalty kick, Mexico scored for a 2-1 win, making its way to the final.

It was absolutely legal for the Mexican player to score the first penalty kick. The referee assigned the penalty using his granted authority. But was scoring the kick an ethical decision?

After the referee assigned the first penalty kick, the Panamanian players complained, claiming there was no foul. The coach and his staff did the same. Even some Mexico supporters at the stadium didn't like the call. Controversy and chaos interrupted the match for almost ten minutes.

But the referee's decision stood. And therefore, from a "legal" perspective, the Mexican player was fine to score it, as he finally did.

During an after-match interview, the Mexican player admitted he knew the penalty call was a mistake. The player admitted thinking about whether or not he should score it. He finally decided, he said in the interview, that “it was not my fault if the referee made a mistake and, as a professional soccer player, I had to try my best to score.”

The Mexican coach, in his interview, said “there are instances when mistakes are assigned against my team and others take advantage of that, and there are instances when mistakes are assigned in our favor, and we should take advantage of that as well.”

The thoughtfulness and honesty were impressive.

I was impressed too with the opinions of several Mexican journalists (TV and digital media) who spoke out against scoring the penalty kick. Most agreed it wasn't the right thing to do because it wasn't "the most ethical decision," even though not scoring would have resulted in Mexico’s elimination from the competition.

I'm not judging the decisions taken on the field or the opinions expressed afterwards. I'm simply calling attention to the legal-versus-ethical dilemma that arose during the match. It was extraordinary to watch the drama play out not in business, or politics, but in sport.

And so today I'm asking: Do we all face such dilemmas more often than we might initially realize -- even in many of the casual and common situations of our lives?

- See more at: http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2015/7/23/mexico-beats-panama-2-1-and-a-legal-versus-ethical-dilemma-l.html#sthash.3BxMKpMC.dpuf

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Re: 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup Thread.
« Reply #553 on: July 23, 2015, 01:07:20 PM »

Look at the replay again. There was a foul on number 5, the referee said play on, he knew exactly where the ball was. He saw where it fell then dropped his body on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE43dom3zzI

1. Playing on after Torres #5 gets fouled is a bad call. There's no advantage for the team of the fouled player by playing on, which is the whole purpose of the "play on" concept.
2. He is already falling when the ball is still above him.  How is he supposed to avoid falling on the ball?  Teleportation?

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Re: 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup Thread.
« Reply #554 on: July 23, 2015, 01:19:26 PM »
I understand that they are upset about the decision, but to go after the confederation in this manner is a bit childish.

If dey eh like CONCACAF, go join up with CONMEBOL and see how far yuh will progress.

Completely disagree.

Players have limited avenues through which to express their displeasure. They've swallowed a lot and the banner is a symbol of team solidarity consistent with any individual tweet that's out there or that they could have opted for. Their federation has initiated protest via official channels. The players need an outlet to express the emotion of the game. All they are saying is that they were cheated. They were.

The thing about joining CONMEBOL is unfair. Why join CONMEBOL? Because they speak Spanish? Why? Because somehow that allows us to recognize that they are not on par with Argentina or Brazil or Chile? Does that render them less worthy of strenuously expressing disgust at the game that they lived yesterday?

Unlike us, Panama isn't struggling to secure friendlies. In fact, they have one coming up on September 4 versus Uruguay in Panama. They are evolving a football program that not so long ago, no one would have taken at all seriously. Making it to the final would have been a huge step in not only recognition of the program, but also of continuity. One of the comments I read cynically told the FPF to wrap up with football and to return to "their game", baseball. The idea being they would receive the respect they earned and deserved in that arena.

They didn't walk off the pitch. I've been around games where individual players would have walked off for less ... to say nothing of adding insult to injury and being "stoned" with projectiles from the Mexican fan base. (Incidentally, who was addressing that while they suffered what was occurring on the pitch. After all, it's not like CONCACAF and the officials were not on notice of the conduct of Mexico's support).

The football world appreciates that an unjust outcome was visited on them. Voices from South American football have weighed in opinions registering agreement with the injustice. Mario Kempes for one tweeted his opinion. A former president of Costa Rica and the current president of Panama have publicly registered their opinions on that matter. The calm coach, Bollilo Gomez, himself described what occurred as being akin to armed robbery. He said that at a point during the proceedings he contemplated retiring from the game because what occurred was counter to football.

What they can be reprimanded for is running to confront the referee after the match in a manner that more resembled a chase ... perhaps even intimidation ... rather than face to face disagreement. Clearly that was orchestrated. However Gomez himself went to quell that. Essentially, no punches were thrown, the situation didn't escalate and they were largely respectful of the process.

The game is nothing without players and CONCACAF needs to know that a concern has festered.
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Re: 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup Thread.
« Reply #555 on: July 23, 2015, 01:32:53 PM »
Tejada and company going to face alot of disciplinary fines and suspensions for putting their hands on the referee. Esp Tejada  for refusing to leave the pitch.

Left to be seen.

Had the ref issued Tejada a yellow and Tejada took issue with that, sufficient to support another yellow, no one would have had issue with that.

Your view of the calls is the minority view. Consider that seasoned commentators and observers of the sport ... from all sorts of perspectives (including Mexican commentators) see it other than you see it. Notably, in that clip you presented the commentator finds the call laughable ... and he was in deed laughing. Yuh din hear him?

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« Reply #556 on: July 23, 2015, 01:46:53 PM »
I find the Panamanians are asking for trouble. If the referee awarded a penalty that they thought was unfair, they have to carry on with the game, I have seen far worse given, including a blatant penalty for a ball handled 8 feet outside the box in a world cup qualifier between Jamaica and USA in 1996.  We were angry, but we carried on with the game and eventually tied up the score.

I understand the disappointment, but red cards, and bad calls are part of the game.

At the end of the day, the ball did hit the players hand in the box...whether accidental or deliberate is up to the interpretation of the 3 officials on the field.
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« Reply #557 on: July 23, 2015, 02:07:33 PM »
Watching the replay now... That was not a red card, maximum a yellow.. I'm sorry but the ref is a cheat... waiting for the penalty to see what happened..
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« Reply #558 on: July 23, 2015, 02:10:56 PM »
It's also worth mentioning that Vela only got a yellow for an actual elbow. 
My only guess is that the ref thought it was just some roughing up by Vela and not an intentional strike on an opponent.
It was probably hard to see.

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« Reply #559 on: July 23, 2015, 02:15:31 PM »
He dive on that ball for spite, man. He ain't mean to handle it, but he definitely was trying cover it up with his body. Deliberate move.

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« Reply #560 on: July 23, 2015, 02:17:15 PM »
Ey Panama deserve to go home. They played nasty football the entire tournament. The penalty claim was legit. Foul or no the referee let play go on then number 5 dived on the ball. If you look at the replay he knew exactly where the ball was and dived on it. It's a straight up penalty.

If we didn't have a hispanic referee when Panama played us  we would of gotten alot more calls as well. Go home Panama. Happy Mexico made it instead of them.

Nah man, the ball was up in the air and he threw himself attempting to head it.  When he started his attempt there was no way to know where the ball would land.  He actually lost sight of the ball as it passed over the top of his head.  Then when he lands on it it touched his elbow and he immediately tried to get his arms out of the way.

Plus the Mexican was pulling him back trying to get the ball when he attempted to kick it back over his head. 
It should have been a free kick for Panama instead of all that horseshit we see there.


Look at the replay again. There was a foul on number 5, the referee said play on, he knew exactly where the ball was. He saw where it fell then dropped his body on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE43dom3zzI

You on shit hoss!  De man slipping and contorting in the air after momentarily losing sight of the ball.  No way that intentional!  No how no chance!

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« Reply #561 on: July 23, 2015, 03:04:08 PM »
Panama were robbed last night plain and simple.  That referee should be suspended.  If the elbow from Carlos Vela on the Panamanian player was not a red card then there is no way Tejada should have received a red card.

As for the first penalty call, that was pure crap.  Torres fell on the ball and as soon as he realized his elbow touched the ball he tried to get his hand out of the way.  He was falling with his back to the ball and could not see where the ball was in relation to his hand.

What I saw last night sure as hell looked like someone was determined to make sure Mexico made it to the finals by whatever means necessary.

I long to see the day when both Mexico and USA fail to qualify for the world cup because until then I don't think Concacaf will change the way they operate.


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« Reply #562 on: July 23, 2015, 04:53:58 PM »
There is or should be a difference between the ball hitting your hand as opposed to the player moving his hand to make contact,from my perspective the ball hit him,I have to also consider his focus was not on the ball at that moment,the result is no way in helll could that be a penalty

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« Reply #563 on: July 23, 2015, 05:00:23 PM »
Blood on the pitch come November 2015 WCQ.
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« Reply #564 on: July 23, 2015, 05:04:55 PM »
With both of the continental teams out of the final,the powers that be found that more than they were willing to accept
You could see it coming,from the straight red Tajada got in the first half,to add insult to injury,while playing one man down Panama took the lead
The ref proved to be the ultimate PULL STONES

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« Reply #565 on: July 23, 2015, 08:12:54 PM »
No way was that a red card on Tajada and no way that first penalty for Mexico should've been called. The officiating was poor!

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« Reply #566 on: July 23, 2015, 08:32:15 PM »
No way was that a red card on Tajada and no way that first penalty for Mexico should've been called. The officiating was poor!

it was almost like the ref was waiting for a slip up to call something against panama  :D

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« Reply #567 on: July 24, 2015, 04:50:41 AM »
Don't have that much sympathy - it comes around. Panama played poorly in the T&T game - no sportsmanship and foul play galore.

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« Reply #568 on: July 24, 2015, 06:56:10 AM »
Congrats JA and alll JA supporters on de forum......ah hope all yuh buss Mexico arse.....especially if they and/or the referee try any shyte......is level licks (and ah mean of the physical nature)....for dem.....yes ah rooting for dem Mexicans to get a good proper JA cut arse.......heh heh heh..... ;D ;D
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« Reply #569 on: July 24, 2015, 01:07:22 PM »
Panama's coach don't get rattled at all, dat man always cool under pressure

Yep. But pity these stations don't show the press conferences. That's where fireworks will fly.

The question needs to be asked..would the ref do this to a Brazil or US.. Or a Nederlands or Japan..

Highly doubt it.. Monkey know which tree to climb..