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Re: Sancho tackles TTFA: Tim Kee must use gate receipts to pay players
« Reply #60 on: March 27, 2015, 06:16:26 AM »
maxg, I agree with what you say about integrity and morality, etc. And we expect Sancho to rise above divisiveness and do the right thing for the country while he is MoSport. But wait for when the campaign is in full swing and then we will see who upholds morality and integrity. All of that goes thru the window.  Case in point, yahoo Netanyahu

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Re: Sancho tackles TTFA: Tim Kee must use gate receipts to pay players
« Reply #61 on: March 27, 2015, 08:27:35 AM »
Forgive my naïveté , as we mean well.. When I ask my children to represent T & t next week, it's to represent all ppl of TT, irregardless of religion, vocation, political party or agenda. If I am asked to serve in any way ( 35 years ago, I hoped football), now would most likely be in a sporting capacity, or social development capacity, although I may never be called, i would say yes, as it's for the benefit of everything good for my country of birth, in spite of which ruling party in power. I have friends and aquaintance, who chose different paths in life, many not good, those knew not to persuade me, as my strength was my integrity. I don't expect different from Sancho or any other individual called.if they cannot keep their integrity intact during the course of their duty for their country, I can only pity them, but they not less, or more, Trini than I.

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Yuh know who showing integrity... Minister of Security Brig. General Carlton Alphonso... He appears to have no apparent other interests and ambitions and I have yet to see him on the campaign or propaganda trail...

Not saying Sancho is not a man of integrity but he already start playing the game and so all asylumseeker's comments stand.
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Re: Sancho tackles TTFA: Tim Kee must use gate receipts to pay players
« Reply #62 on: March 27, 2015, 04:41:01 PM »
Might have been a worthwhile exercise to do a revenue/cost analysis of a typical TTFF hosted event like a friendly, tournament, or WCQ match

Identify all revenue sources.  Break them down into their respective components e.g. Gate receipts, sponsorship, match fees, TV revenue,  etc

Identify all expenditures and break them down into their respective components e.g. player stipends, transportation, insurance, venue fees/rentals, officials (refs, linesmen etc) remuneration etc

After this data is accumulated, analyzed, and prioritized, THEN an informed recommendation can begin to be made.

The TTFF should have most if not all of of this information.  If they don't, they would be seriously delinquent.  Maybe I just really saying rain wet, but despite me having little or no confidence in their management capacity, surely they couldn't be that inept.

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Re: Sancho tackles TTFA: Tim Kee must use gate receipts to pay players
« Reply #63 on: March 27, 2015, 05:57:55 PM »
tv revenue? Which tv? Any of the tv station know TT football exist.

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Re: Sancho tackles TTFA: Tim Kee must use gate receipts to pay players
« Reply #64 on: March 27, 2015, 05:58:07 PM »
Might have been a worthwhile exercise to do a revenue/cost analysis of a typical TTFF hosted event like a friendly, tournament, or WCQ match

Identify all revenue sources.  Break them down into their respective components e.g. Gate receipts, sponsorship, match fees, TV revenue,  etc

Identify all expenditures and break them down into their respective components e.g. player stipends, transportation, insurance, venue fees/rentals, officials (refs, linesmen etc) remuneration etc

After this data is accumulated, analyzed, and prioritized, THEN an informed recommendation can begin to be made.

The TTFF should have most if not all of of this information.  If they don't, they would be seriously delinquent.  Maybe I just really saying rain wet, but despite me having little or no confidence in their management capacity, surely they couldn't be that inept.

Could they?
 

Not sure what was done under the old TTFF, but the current TTFA already does that.  They operated at a deficit for each of the last three international friendlies against NZ, Peru and Jamaica.  Some of that can be improved upon with more efficient processes, and taking control of security from the HCS etc. would also mitigate some of the complaints that patrons had (about the quality of the in-stadium experience), but the bottom line is that gate receipts alone is not a significant enough contributor to revenue.

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Re: Sancho tackles TTFA: Tim Kee must use gate receipts to pay players
« Reply #65 on: March 29, 2015, 12:16:08 PM »

Yuh know who showing integrity... Minister of Security Brig. General Carlton Alphonso... He appears to have no apparent other interests and ambitions and I have yet to see him on the campaign or propaganda trail...

If I'm not mistaken, he was on the platform in Debe at the UNC's Monday night 4rum talking about the police action earlier in the day.....
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Re: Sancho tackles TTFA: Tim Kee must use gate receipts to pay players
« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2015, 12:10:10 AM »
Another important factor for games that don't draw a big crowd is to check all the LOCKED GATES.

Not all the gates are used, therefore, many are locked and left unattended.

I went to the FA final of 2012, Cali vs DF. I saw guys checking the locked gates and then checking the window area of the ticket booth next to the gate. They started at the far end, away from the attended gates. They went from gate to gate until they found a booth with an open window and entered inside from the door of the booth.

I thought of doing the same thing but I felt sorry for the TTFF as they seem to need what money they can get so I paid.

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Re: Sancho tackles TTFA: Tim Kee must use gate receipts to pay players
« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2015, 02:34:29 AM »
So what was the attendance at the game? Was there enough people to get enough money to pay the players?

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« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2015, 04:54:48 AM »
So what was the attendance at the game? Was there enough people to get enough money to pay the players?

I saw it quoted as 3,000

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« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2015, 05:44:55 AM »
So what was the attendance at the game? Was there enough people to get enough money to pay the players?

I saw it quoted as 3,000

Thanks, FS. That amount can't even pay half the team.

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Re: Sancho tackles TTFA: Tim Kee must use gate receipts to pay players
« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2015, 10:30:58 AM »
Might have been a worthwhile exercise to do a revenue/cost analysis of a typical TTFF hosted event like a friendly, tournament, or WCQ match

Identify all revenue sources.  Break them down into their respective components e.g. Gate receipts, sponsorship, match fees, TV revenue,  etc

Identify all expenditures and break them down into their respective components e.g. player stipends, transportation, insurance, venue fees/rentals, officials (refs, linesmen etc) remuneration etc

After this data is accumulated, analyzed, and prioritized, THEN an informed recommendation can begin to be made.

The TTFF should have most if not all of of this information.  If they don't, they would be seriously delinquent.  Maybe I just really saying rain wet, but despite me having little or no confidence in their management capacity, surely they couldn't be that inept.

Could they?
 

Not sure what was done under the old TTFF, but the current TTFA already does that.  They operated at a deficit for each of the last three international friendlies against NZ, Peru and Jamaica.  Some of that can be improved upon with more efficient processes, and taking control of security from the HCS etc. would also mitigate some of the complaints that patrons had (about the quality of the in-stadium experience), but the bottom line is that gate receipts alone is not a significant enough contributor to revenue.

Can we Google that or find it on the TTFA website, Twitter, Facebook page? Or is there a mailing list that this sort of info goes out to? I will like to get on that mailing list. Or is there public meetings that people can attend to receive such info?
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Sport Ministry, TTFA battle again over $$.
« Reply #71 on: May 09, 2015, 06:12:13 AM »
Sport Ministry, TTFA battle again over $$.
By Ian Prescott (Express).


Football dogfight

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Another dogfight is brewing between the Ministry of Sport and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA), over Government funding,

This comes despite Prime Minister Kamla Persad Bissessar issuing a $9 million Cabinet note just over six months ago, and giving assurances that the men’s national football team will be taken care of all the way up to the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup.

The Cabinet note’s projected remuneration for the team technical staff of $3,104,000 for the period between November 2014 to June 2015, and an additional $3,878,888 sum to fund Trinidad and Tobago’s participation in the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup.

Now however, salary payments to coach Hart and his assistants King and Charles have stopped since February, and newly-installed Sports Minister Brent Sancho promises not to give any money to football, until audited accounts are submitted.

All this comes two months before the Soca Warriors are due to represent Trinidad and Tobago at the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup, starting on July 9 against Guatemala in Chicago. USA.

Three years previously, then Minister of Sport Anil Roberts also promised that no money would be given to football before audited accounts, from the TTFA were produced. The TTFA’s agent, and head of an Authorisation Committee, Anthony Harford, insisted they had complied.

The fallout was that Hutson Charles, Derek King and later installed head-coach Hart went unpaid for some time.

Sancho maintains the position he took as a private citizen, when he and other members of the 2006 national team, the Soca Warriors, took the Association and its adviser Jack Warner to court for promised financial incentives. They had been trying to get financial records from the TTFA dating back to the 2006 World Cup.


Sancho said yesterday: “It is up to them (the TTFA),” indicating that funds will be disbursed provided the Association meets the required criteria. “It is in their interest to do what is required.”

TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee said auditors KPMG have been engaged and promised to have the figures available in a couple of weeks. He says figures are readily available during the period when he took office from December 2012, but not those taken away when Sancho and the Soca Warriors levied on the local football body for outstanding payments awarded by the court.

Tim Kee says: “Remember, they took the computers. We have four auditors working on the books now, but it is difficult to get those before 2012.”


Before becoming Sport Minister, Sancho applauded Government’s gesture in making payment of arrears to members of the technical staff and players after the Caribbean Cup in 2014.

“We need to look at how we do things to make sure this does not happen again,” Sancho was quoted as saying in the November 22 edition of the Trinidad Express.

However, both the Minister of Sport and the TTFA president, have indicated a willingness to meet to resolve the brewing impasse.

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Sport Ministry halts payment to Warrior coaches; Tim Kee explains delay.
By Lasana Liburd (wired868).


Despite a prior promise from the Government to pay the salaries of Trinidad and Tobago National Senior Team coaches, Sport Minister Brent Sancho confirmed to Wired868 that his ministry will not give a cent to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) or any other sporting body without proof of financial order and responsibility.

Head coach Stephen Hart, assistants Hutson Charles and Derek King and the rest of the “Soca Warriors” staff have not been paid since February. And Sancho, a former World Cup 2006 player, insisted that the Sport Ministry would be unable to offer financial assistance until TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee provides audited books for scrutiny.

He said that the $9.9 million Cabinet note on behalf of the the TTFA, on 13 November 2014—which was done during the term of previous Sport Minister Rupert Griffith—comes with certain stipulations.

“For every single governing body that I have, the Ministry of Sport has made some sort of promise or gesture towards payment,” Sancho told Wired868. “But every body has also made a promise towards transparency and proper governance.

“Two hands must clap. They have their part to play and, if they don’t live up to it, the other hand cannot clap.”


"TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee agreed with Sancho in principle and vowed to take the KPMG’s auditor to the Sport Ministry to prove that the football body was not trying to hide anything.

“I’m not looking for any favours,” said Tim Kee. “I said (to Sancho) if we don’t do what we are supposed to do to get the money, then don’t release any funds…

“(The audit) should be finished within two to three weeks. I hope to have meeting with the meeting and take (KPMG auditor) Robert (Reis) along so he will know I am not playing a ducking game.”

But there was an interesting explanation with regards to the football body’s delay.

“(KPMG) requested information from the TTFA which we didn’t have,” the TTFA president told Wired868. “Some of that information was taken away by the (World Cup 2006) players after the court case.”

Thirteen World Cup 2006 players levied against the football body, three years ago, and seized equipment from the TTFA office on Donaldson Street, Port of Spain. Sancho was one of the players present for the raid as well as his advisor Kevin Harrison.

Incidentally, the supposedly missing information was not offered as an excuse for possible delays when TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips agreed to the Sport Ministry’s March deadline for the audit. Or when Tim Kee met Sancho in April and promised the financial documents within a week.

But it is, arguably, a reminder of the frayed history between the heads of the two bodies.

Tim Kee countered that the missing data had always hampered the auditors. But it was more problematic now due to the volume of information requested by the ministry.

“There was an audit done last year for FIFA,” he said. “But FIFA only wanted an audit of the money they put in. The ministry wants a global audit for every cent (that goes into the Sport Ministry).”

The TTFA’s coaches, as always, are already suffering from the stand-off while it might extend to the players if funding is not guaranteed for their teams’ preparation. Hart, for one, hopes to resume training for the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup tournament at the end of this month while he also wants practice games next month.

Farcically, it appears that the TTFA’s new technical director Kendall Walkes also numbers among the unpaid coaching staff within one month of his new appointment.

Tim Kee suggested that Walkes, a former West Chester University coach, was hired on the presumption that the Ministry of Sport would pay half his salary. And Walkes began work just days after the TTFA missed its first deadline to provide audited statements to the ministry.

“Before, the Sportt Company took care of 50 percent of the remuneration (of the TTFA technical director) so this seems to be a new position by the ministry,” said Tim Kee. “But I don’t want to get into an argument about that… We have to work with that situation.”

Wired868 asked whether the TTFA approached the Ministry of Sport specifically about helping foot Walkes’ salary.

“The Minister made that statement (about stopping funding for football) only two weeks ago,” said Tim Kee, “so all (internal) conversations before would have included (the presumed) 50/50 arrangement with the Sport Ministry.”

So did the TTFA even fulfil its presumed obligation to pay half of Walkes’ salary?

“Mr Walkes hasn’t been paid a cent yet,” said Tim Kee.

Sancho said he had not seen a TTFA request to pay half of Walkes’ salary although he did not rule out the possibility that one was made to the Sportt Company. But he denied any responsibility for the remuneration of football’s new technical director.

“We have a disclaimer out,” said Sancho. “We said we are not responsible for any of the debts incurred by local governing bodies.”

Tim Kee said he will meet with his general secretary today to discuss the football body’s debts, which include his current coaches and former employees like ex-technical director Anton Corneal and ex-coach Russell Latapy.

“I am having a meeting (today) with the person doing the accounts and Mr Phillips and the conversation and discussion is around all debts,” said Tim Kee. “I have asked for a list of all the creditors and will look at what we can deal with now which is not any huge amount. And, of course, the current coaches and technical staff are the front burner item…

“The TTFA should pay its coaches as a responsibility but (we have to say) may with all things being equal. It is a balancing act with the limited resources we have.”


"As always, the shadow of former special advisor and Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner looms and blights the TTFA.

Last month, Justice Frank Seepersad ordered the TTFA to satisfy an unpaid debt of TT $1.2 million plus interest to Immamudin Baksh and his Graphix Advantage Limited (GAL) company for work related to the FIFA 2010 Under-17 Women’s Cup.

Seepersad slammed the suspicious nature of the deal negotiated by Warner, which included some free services, and urged the Integrity Commission to investigate.

“Inappropriate behaviour in public office has to be condemned and cannot be tolerated,” said Justice Seepersad. “Such arrangements undermine the integrity and independence of the office. A perception is thereby created that such arrangements are reflective of a situation where the provider of gratuitous service expects and/or receives remuneration in other unconventional ways.”

Still, the TTFA alone was ordered to pay the debt.

Tim Kee said the football body has lost another million (TT) in fees owed to FIFA, which dates back over a decade. The governing football body never tried to recoup that money while Warner was a FIFA vice-president. But they clearly are happy to do so now.

“FIFA deducted a huge amount of money (from our subvention) as their levy on match fees,” he said. “Every time, you host a national game there is a fee you have to pay and apparently that had not been paid for a long, long time. That deduction created some exchanges and anger from me…

“I will raise it with (FIFA president Sepp) Blatter.”

There was not all bad news for football, though.

Sancho said the Warriors coaches should receive outstanding match fees from the Sport Ministry within the next two weeks for the 2014 Caribbean Cup finals.

“What happened was payments for the (Caribbean Cup) group stage were approved but not up until the final,” he said. “So it is just about verifying who is staff and who isn’t and who deserves to be paid… There is nothing untoward but they are just making sure.

“I should have that done within a week and a half.”

The Sport Minister said the Pro League should also receive prize money for the 2013/14 season within the same time frame. DIRECTV W Connection won the million dollar first prize for that season.

“(The Pro League prize money) is being worked on as we speak,” said Sancho. “I hope it is out of the office by this week.”

Sancho, in contrast to an earlier statement, admitted the Sport Ministry had received a budget from TTFA official William Wallace that covered the senior Warriors’ 2015 Gold Cup and 2018 World Cup campaigns.

No payments will be made before the TTFA presents audited statements. However, Sancho stopped short of promising to meet all the football body’s financial requests, regardless of the state of their books.

“At the end of the day. you have to understand that whatever is required by the federation must be put into proper perspective,” said the Sport Minister. “As much as they have grandiose plans, we must understand that, with oil princes dropping, we only have a limited amount of funds…

“Since I came in as minister, I have been looking closely at budgets from all governing bodies, not just football… It is not to second-guess the governing bodies but just to ask the question of if (the request) is a necessity as it relates to our financial scenario.”



About The Author

Lasana Liburd is the CEO and Editor at Wired868.com and a journalist with over 15 years experience at several local and international publications including Play the Game, World Soccer, UK Guardian and the Trinidad Express.


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Re: Sport Ministry, TTFA battle again over $$.
« Reply #72 on: May 11, 2015, 08:02:52 AM »
TTFA auditing accounts outstanding for 2012-2014.
By Sean Nero (Guardian).


Sport Minister Brent Sancho yesterday made it clear that his Ministry’s decision to suspend funding to the T&T Football Association (TTFA) was not a result of well publicised differences between himself and the executive of the national sporting organisation.

Instead, he said, it was simply to get the TTFA executive led by Raymond Tim Kee to communicate to taxpayers through the presentation of legitimate documents, how millions of dollars disbursed to it by the state was being used.

On Saturday, the ministry issued a media release which underscored its previous position and said national governing bodies (NGBs) of sport in receipt of funding from the Ministry of Sport and the Sports Company of Trinidad and Tobago (SPORTT) must have audited accounts in order to receive support from the Government.

When contacted  Minister Sancho said, “Most of the sporting governing bodies seem to have some sort of accounting system of structure.”

Meanwhile, the TTFA in his view was delinquent.

Asked for which period his ministry wanted audited financial statements from the Tim Kee administration, the minister said, “I will take anything. I will take it from when they changed the name.” 

The TTFA was formerly known as the T&T Football Federation. The name of the organisation was changed when Tim Kee became president in November 2012.

Sancho said, “At the end of the day, I am not trying to mind anybody’s business. I am responsible for administering tax-payers money. It is my responsibility to ensure that the entity that we are giving money to is A: financially prudent and B: can account for the money that they spend. We want to see what is their financial history in terms of how they have done things.”

He added, “The key is to bring all sporting governing bodies under one house in terms of auditing. Whether we use an accounting firm to do this or one person does all the accounts, so we will be consistent. That is the aim. I met with the Federation back in February. Then I met with the president (Raymond Tim Kee). Now I am hearing excuses about computers being taken away and that this Government doesn’t like football…doesn’t like cricket. I am not trying to get into any argument. I am just trying to treat everyone the same. My concern is the promises being broken. I gave them a final deadline. I sent them a correspondence on Monday and I expect everything to come to a resolution.”

The minister expressed frustration that the casualties at the end of the day were the athletes, while staff at the TTFA, including its general secretary Sheldon Phillip, was still getting their salaries.

“But when you look at the TTFA, look at the mere fact that coaches aren’t being paid. That can’t be right! These things have to stop! At the end of the day it is affecting the performance of our athletes. This Government and previous government spent a lot of money in sport and we are not getting the results we should get,” said Sancho.

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Re: Sport Ministry, TTFA battle again over $$.
« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2015, 01:59:38 AM »
Football in battle again off the field.
By Alvin Corneal (Guardian).


It is unbelievable how the stakeholders of football are incapable of bringing some level of maturity which may invite constructive dialogue to the sport. There is hardly ever a year when the game does not suffer from a lack of organised management, especially when it relates to the budgeting process for annual activities.

I do agree that sometimes the headlines tend to bring immediate impact to the reader and by extension, the parties from all sides of the sporting structure. It is ironic how the international football world can be so capable of handling their administrative affairs with great success, while a small country like T&T, appears to be incapable of some intelligent discussions which can lead to solve the issues at large.

The headlines of a few days ago in all the media, the print, electroni and social media, spells like a world title boxing fight as the TTFA is challenged to provide audited statement for 2012—2014. If we view that request in isolation, we will understand that audited statements have been a massive problem for the TTFA, since the days when the previous regime was in office and before that too.

The habit of not wanting to prepare an annual calendar for our national teams, is the biggest bugbear for documenting mathematically an audited statement. There is no set calendar that can show the public what plans do our national teams follow for the coming year. We actually do not know what is happening next week, far more the balance of the year.

Football in our country has been organised in a truly haphazard manner, a habitual approach which no administrator has been able to bring to the senses of the more powerful leaders in the Association. Actually, I was elated when the former Minister of sport, Rupert Griffith approved the commitment of the Ministry to financing the preparation of the Gold Cup through to the finals which takes place from 7th -26th July.

Now that the Ministry of sport’s boss has been changed, the name Brent Sancho would have sounded as wonderful news, seeing that he was a former national player, and recently an owner of a pro league club in the country’s pro League. Brent is the type of person who wants to immediately impact all aspects of sport in a professional manner, and provide an organised send off to sport generally.

He may have looked at the lethargic behaviour of the TTFA with the women’s programme, especially as the Fifa has mandated the member associations to spend fifteen percent of Fifa’s subventions to women’s football, especially for early developmental reasons.

Brent’s effort to employ a make shift league  to create a short term competition, may well have been designed to kick start our women’s competitive journey which has had its absence of activity exposed by the captain of the team Maylee Johnson. Honestly, the idea is not the ultimate, but anything is better than nothing, and I believe that the TTFA may grab the chance to bring some much needed life back to the women’s game.

We are all aware that Brent’s plan must be given the blessing from the TTFA which could not possibly be a hard sell for the charismatic Minister. The results of dialogue between the two stakeholders have not been announced, and all women football fans eagerly await the outcome.

However, the recent headline which implied a “dogfight in football” had hinted  that maybe there has been no dialogue or if there was  any meeting of the minds to send our teams to their summer engagements with full confidence. Honestly, I was probably spoilt by the competence of almost every area of sport in the good old days, which was well planned. Everything seemed in place and hardly was there ever a fight over money to enter a competition in the region.

The gate receipts in those days were very small, but thousands supported what they still refer to as excellent football and wonderful cricket. Today, with an economy forever booming, few would have believed that there will be problems. Let us return to the first issue, which referred to the audited statements of the past, and a request to produce the finances to the Ministry strictly from a point of accountability.

We are all able to forecast financial losses at every local Football match in any of the leagues because of a moderate standard of play, we hear of referees not turning up for matches because they have not been paid, although the clubs entering competitions are asked to pay referees fees in advance, and it is clear to see that money for international football must come from sponsors through the business sector.

Many people are of the belief that the state has a commitment to sponsoring national sport, which has been a practice for many years. But have we ever noticed that the bigger countries do not provide state funds to any sporting association. Granted that we are a small nation, but our government should really be handing subventions to developing programs where the guarantee of youth participation is of paramount interest to the nation.

One of the most important stakeholders in all this calamity is the National Olympic committee, whose interest in all sport should be well established.

That Committee is really in charge of all Olympic sports and that should include Football. I am also aware that between the years 1963 and 1991, the late Knolly Henderson, Alex Chapman, Lloyd Agard and some other members were as interested in seeing the growth of the team sports. They assisted in funding the tournaments under their control.

Today, the concept has changed and getting large track and field teams to the Olympics, the Panam, the commonwealth games will enhance the chances of the administrators to be among the hierarchy of world Athletics. The NOC are the ones who can monitor audited statements on behalf of the government, report their findings, and even recommend the amount of subventions which will satisfy their annual budgets.

That is not happening and while football is battling their own way with a management structure which is doomed for failure, may well find themselves having to default one of these major tournaments and face the wrath of Fifa whose financial assistance to each of their member associations should be better utilised.

Was the public ever informed that most of the prize money which are promised to the winning clubs by all the leagues in this country are not paid promptly and in some cases not at all.?

The country deserves much better from management and stakeholders as well. Playing the blame game does no good to the sport and our fans must not just be supporters, but we must make a demand on the officials, executives and the players to earn the support of the nation. Take your job seriously or leave it for persons who care.

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Re: Sport Ministry, TTFA battle again over $$.
« Reply #74 on: May 15, 2015, 09:01:43 AM »
Alvin just writing for the sake of writing.


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« Reply #76 on: May 16, 2015, 12:01:51 PM »
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Re: Sport Ministry, TTFA battle again over $$.
« Reply #77 on: May 19, 2015, 03:40:31 AM »
If we wait for a report from the TTFA about the meeting with the MOS we might as well just play the lottery, we might have a better chance of winning.

Anyone, FS, anybody have an indepth report on how the meeting went with the TTFA and the MOS and whats the next move or the way forward?


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Re: Sport Ministry, TTFA battle again over $$.
« Reply #78 on: May 23, 2015, 02:17:10 AM »
Joint TTFA/Ministry of Sport press release.
By Shaun Fuentes (TTFA).


The Ministry of Sport and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) are pleased to advise that the meeting of both parties last week was a cordial and productive one.

TTFA's management and professional services firm KPMG explained the issues that have caused the delay in the finalisation of the audited financial statements from 2008 to 2014.

According to the auditor, "KPMG performed audit work for FY 2008 and 2009 and draft financial statements were prepared and submitted to management (TTFA) for both years for review and comments. A bank confirmation was received for both years, that included bank accounts that were not reflected in the accounts. TTFA's management requested information from the relevant banks, most of which has not been received to date. Consequently, TTFA's management was unable to provide the auditors with sufficient information for the completion of the audits for all years from 2008 onwards."

When the meeting concluded, the Minister was presented with draft audited financial statements from the TTFA for the periods 2008/09. The Ministry committed to assisting the TTFA to bring the organisation's accounting records up to date and determine how state funding will be accounted for in the future. However, as the submission of audited financials for previous years must be complete before going forward, it was agreed that draft accounting statements as prepared by KPMG would be presented on the following dates:

2010/11 by 22 May

2011/12 by 8 June

2013/14 by 30 June

The TTFA President also gave a detailed update on the operations of the organization and its plans. He spoke about the FA’s continued efforts towards better governance and also gave a commitment to keeping the Ministry updated on matters discussed.

The Ministry has therefore agreed to resume funding the TTFA with an initial release to cover two months outstanding salaries for coaches and technical staff of the senior men's programme. Additionally, the Ministry has undertaken to review the TTFA's request for funding to support the 2015 Gold Cup campaign which begins in July.

With respect to the Women's Premier League (WPL), the Ministry has submitted a prospectus on the proposed rules and regulations of the tournament and expects to secure the formal endorsement of the TTFA for the competition which is scheduled to commence in June 2015.

The Ministry also resolved to support the FIFA Goal project which will see the establishment of a National Training Centre in Trinidad and Tobago. This initiative links well with the Ministry's overall vision of making Trinidad and Tobago the preferred destination for sport training and development.

Both parties expressed satisfaction with the level of discussions which took place and remain committed towards combining its efforts in the best interest of all concerned.

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Re: Sport Ministry, TTFA battle again over $$.
« Reply #79 on: May 24, 2015, 07:25:55 AM »
Ministry of Sport resumes coaches' salary payments.
T&T Express Reports.


The Ministry of Sport has resumed funding to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association, while the (TTFA) is expected to formally endorse, the Women's Professional League, a competition proposed by Sport Minister Brent Sancho.

These developments come as both parties have come to a truce, following a recent split which saw Sport Minister Brent Sancho halting Association funding and demanding audited accounts.

The Ministry of Sport issued a joint release on Friday, advising that a meeting of both parties last week was "cordial and productive". Both parties expressed satisfaction with the level of discussions which took place and remain committed to combining its efforts in the best interest of all concerned.

"The Ministry has therefore agreed to resume funding to the TTFA with an initial release to cover two months' outstanding salaries for coaches and technical staff of the senior men's programme. Additionally, the Ministry has undertaken to review the TTFA's request for funding to support the 2015 Gold Cup campaign which begins in July 2015," stated the release from the communication department of the Ministry of Sport.

When the meeting concluded, Minister Sancho was presented with draft audited financial statements from the TTFA for the periods 2008-09. An agreement was made to have set dates for delivery of other required accounts.

The TTFA was required to deliver audited accounts for the period 2010-11 to the Sport Ministry last Friday, those for 2011 -12 by June 8, and 2013-14 accounts of expenditure by June 30

The Sport Ministry's statement said: "TTFA's management and professional services firm KPMG explained the issues that have caused the delay in the finalisation of the audited financial statements from 2008 to 2014."

According to the auditor, KPMG performed audit work for FY 2008 and 2009 and draft financial statements were prepared and submitted to management (TTFA) for both years for review and comments. A bank confirmation was received for both years, that included bank accounts that were not reflected in the accounts.

TTFA's management requested information from the relevant banks, most of which has not been received to date. Consequently, TTFA's management was unable to provide the auditors with sufficient information for the completion of the audits for all years from 2008 onwards."

Further, the Sport Ministry gave its commitment to assist the TTFA to bring the organisation's accounting records up to date and determine how state funding will be accounted for in the future. It was stated that submission of audited financials for previous years must be complete before both parties go further forward.

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Sancho says no more funding for TTFA...unless.
« Reply #80 on: July 14, 2015, 01:59:42 AM »
Sancho says no more funding for TTFA...unless.
By Sean Taylor (Express).


ENOUGH!

In an immediate response to the suggestion of "systematically bullying" by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA), the Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs (MSYA) Brent Sancho responded for the first time out in the open regarding the ongoing feud between his ministry and the local football governing body.

Sancho called an impromptu press confrerence yesterday at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, where he made it clear that until the TTFA can become more transparent with their financial dealings, the government will no longer fund them.

The TTFA released a statement to the media on Sunday that included the specifics of their expenditure, which was said to be US$71,000. However, yesterday, the sum was said to be US$100,000 by the minister, and was set to be received at the end of July from CONCACAF.

Sancho said that according to a TTFA press release, the ministry was alerted in writing of the funds to the TTFA from CONCACAF. “This is true,” he said, “But what minister Tim Kee does not admit to, was that the information was given after the ministry had paid the airfare for the Gold Cup, and after the ministry had made several direct enquiries.”

Sancho said when his Ministry asked the TTFA on June 25, if CONCACAF would cater to internal flights and accomodation during the Gold Cup, while the TTFA would have to see about their team's airfare to and from the US, their answer was yes.

The MSYA was told by the TTFA on June 28 that the US$100,000 CONCACAF funded would arrive at the end of July. However CONCACAF relayed information that the funds had already arrived. “Yet still, the TTFA continue to request funding from the ministry including a request to pay a laundry bill,” the minister said.

Sancho said he was not surprised when he found out that his ministry unwittingly allotted what eventually became surplus funds to the TTFA, after the CONCACAF had already sent the money. “This is an institutionalised behaviour,” he said. “It has started since mister Warner, and Tim Kee has been a part of his organisation, so I'm not surprised.”

The sports minister said that he has consistently requested to see the TTFA accounts, a stipulation placed in the cabinet notes. “I believe I have a duty to have these conditions met,” he said.

The TTFA is poorly run according to the Minister -– the VISA debacle, the frantic changes in players, the decision to pay match fees at the Pan Am Games without an agreement from the TTOC, the missing $400,000 for the Argentina game, the Akeem Adams tee-shirt scandal, as well as the player's Jamaican impasse, were all due to the culpability of the football governing body.

Regarding the women's footballers, the minister reiterated that he promised them that he would sit down and discuss with Tim Kee, their issues. One of the issues was the payment of stipends and match fees for the Pan American Games; they were promised US$600 for the entire trip; they were trying to negotiate US$500 per game as well as stipends. He said that the TTFA "miraculously" sourced funds when a boycott of the Games became a plausibility.

However, despite promising the girls their payments, they have yet to deliver as according to Sancho, none of the promises have come to fruition. “I woke up this morning and felt it was a reincarnation of Jack Warner,” he said.

“This is the only governing body that we have any problems with. It is abundantly clear that this organisatiojn is playing politics with sport. During the Jamaica impasse, the government went as far as to fund $9.5 million to ensure staff were paid. The question is, when will it end? It has to stop.” he emphasised.

According to him, the Ministry has had enough and will not entertain any further funding unless the TTFA can be more transparent, and account for previous funds. “They will not be funded,” Sancho said. “Unless they can account for where our funds will go,” he ended.

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Re: Sancho says no more funding for TTFA...unless.
« Reply #81 on: July 14, 2015, 04:44:36 AM »
This seems like really petty behaviour because I can't see what has changed outside of the TTFA press release.
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Re: Sancho says no more funding for TTFA...unless.
« Reply #82 on: July 14, 2015, 05:17:22 AM »
2 more months and this f00cker gone.

We have 3 teams playing right now, de men and women Pan Am teams and we senior team, Sancho of all people should know that its very costly to run a team, really, what can US$100,000 cover?

Sancho right to question two things,,,,,, however.....

1. The TTFA is poorly run and manage and the way people get jobs there is crazy.

2. They need to open their books. But according to the TTFA the auditing company is the one they waiting on.

So what Sancho expect?

Is not like they saying no !!!

This is so dam pettie, Sancho is the softest rasta I know.

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Re: Sancho says no more funding for TTFA...unless.
« Reply #83 on: July 14, 2015, 05:20:44 AM »
someone need to call ian alleyne or get santana and narine on the case

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Re: Sancho says no more funding for TTFA...unless.
« Reply #84 on: July 14, 2015, 05:27:50 AM »
well well well ........ and de beat fight goes on. Two kindergarteners throwing temper tantrums while our football suffers. De team in de quarters of de Gold Cup and WC qualifiers coming up.OK Tim Kee your turn to pass ah big cuff now.   

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Re: Sancho says no more funding for TTFA...unless.
« Reply #85 on: July 14, 2015, 06:05:50 AM »
rhinos in a china shop steups
I pity the fool....

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Re: Sancho says no more funding for TTFA...unless.
« Reply #86 on: July 14, 2015, 06:11:42 AM »
rhinos in a china shop steups

basically you're saying the  TTFA  will sell the ivory, promise dey fren meat.. then ask Sancho for $$ to pay a custodian to clean up the mess and the uber driver to deliver said meat to frens.

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Re: Sancho says no more funding for TTFA...unless.
« Reply #87 on: July 14, 2015, 06:17:35 AM »
rhinos in a china shop steups

basically you're saying the  TTFA  will sell the ivory, promise dey fren meat.. then ask Sancho for $$ to pay a custodian to clean up the mess and the uber driver to deliver said meat to frens.

unless sancho and timkee head butt each other and dead how yuh suppose dat happenin
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Re: Sancho says no more funding for TTFA...unless.
« Reply #88 on: July 14, 2015, 06:28:00 AM »
Transparency would at least make it easier to shift through the cow excrement - it's incredibly hard (at least from this distance) to tell who had/did which when and where.

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« Reply #89 on: July 14, 2015, 06:45:46 AM »
Transparency would at least make it easier to shift through the cow excrement - it's incredibly hard (at least from this distance) to tell who had/did which when and where.

dais why d dick measuring and games need to stop......both men guilty of said.......Tim-kee should clear d air on d mony thing  though, since is a stickin point.....
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I pity the fool....

 

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