Thread for the T&T vs Jordan Game (16-Jun-2015)

[Deeks]

 Of the three goals, I will say the last was Jan's fault. The first was the defender or defenders who were beaten by that long pass. The defender was in Sando. That man had the time to take the ball to the top of the area and shoot. How could Jan save that. The second goal was ridiculous. The Jordian get the just about half line and ran in escorted to the top of our area and shoot. Jan had no chance. The third, unfortunately, was Jan's fault.

[gb8702]

Keeper made a mistake, it happens but how many chances did he save?? People always remember a goalkeeping error but what about the strikers didn't score, midfield let players run off them, defence was out of shape. It's a team game and things happen, now back to the training pitches to right the wrongs and ready for the tournament

[pull stones]

what's the real issue here folks? the players for the most part all play in a mediocre league PFL, the ones who ball out side barely getting sweat, isn't it obvious that the guys are not fit enough? another thing to take into consideration is their work ethic. how many of these boys actually take time off to perfect their craft. im damn sure that none of these players spend any amount of time on the field working on their set pieces ball control speed or first touch after their daily practice sessions. people ever wonder why fellers like messi and neymar are the players they are? practice makes perfect.

Whereas the Jordanian players are all from EPL, Serie A and La Liga?

any league is better than our league in my opinion.  watched a game last year and left during the intermission, just real poor basic skills. come on FS could you seriously tell me that our pro league is up to international standard.

we have to start over from scratch if we expect to see progress, as the old saying goes you can't get blood from a stone.

Any league is not better because unless you play in a major league you are forgotten. Look at Yohance Marshall, in my opinion the best T&T centre back. He played in the Pro League and got selected. Moved to El Salvador and he's just a memory. Many players recognise that if you play regularly in the Pro League, you will get noticed because Hart goes to virtually every game. If you're in a lesser league elsewhere, you may get paid more, but you won't win many caps.

FS i respectfully beg to differ simply because peltier, aubrey david and danial cyrus all play far away from home yet they are staple players on the national team. and if you could honestly say that our local league is up to international standard then you have lost a lot of credibility for such a dishonest answer because you know better than that boss. as for yohance marshal, i saw his name on the 35 man roster for the gold cup.

[pull stones]

Of the three goals, I will say the last was Jan's fault. The first was the defender or defenders who were beaten by that long pass. The defender was in Sando. That man had the time to take the ball to the top of the area and shoot. How could Jan save that. The second goal was ridiculous. The Jordian get the just about half line and ran in escorted to the top of our area and shoot. Jan had no chance. The third, unfortunately, was Jan's fault.

sorry man, all were jans fault. you don't leave your line when a player is advancing with a defender in trail. if a keeper stays on his line and trust his defender then he makes the post very small and the opponent will probably think twice about shooting.

[AB.Trini]

Oh well too soon to talk about qualifying fuhWorld Cup - leh we just enjoy another 4cup in we development to Caribbean football supremacy!

Instead of all men putting their heads together for the betterment of football all them fighting down each other for power political edge and pocket change - all ah de from a minister who could take a high road and fight for team support instead everyone trying to squeeze each other balls!

Why hasn't Fenwick ever been invited to assist Hart?  Harris doing the best with all the team has to deal with on and off the field.

Caribbean football supremacy dont mean shit if the entire region is playing at poor quality! This Caribbean supremacy ting is the mindset of the older heads who have T&T football where it is today!

 This belief that being the best among piss poor playing nations in the Caribbean is actually something to be proud about..smdh!  The goal should always be to qualify for the WC which means you have to be one of the better teams in CONCACAF

Why bother talking about WC qualification when we not even the best in the Caribbean?  Caribbean Cup success is a stepping stone to the Gold Cup and a bye to the later rounds of WC qualification.  GC is a must for Hex preparation.  Then comes the chance of a WC spot.

Cause WC is the ultimate goal- everything in between are stepping stones and trials to gage where we are relative to others.

[asylumseeker]

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[Football supporter]

what's the real issue here folks? the players for the most part all play in a mediocre league PFL, the ones who ball out side barely getting sweat, isn't it obvious that the guys are not fit enough? another thing to take into consideration is their work ethic. how many of these boys actually take time off to perfect their craft. im damn sure that none of these players spend any amount of time on the field working on their set pieces ball control speed or first touch after their daily practice sessions. people ever wonder why fellers like messi and neymar are the players they are? practice makes perfect.

Whereas the Jordanian players are all from EPL, Serie A and La Liga?

any league is better than our league in my opinion.  watched a game last year and left during the intermission, just real poor basic skills. come on FS could you seriously tell me that our pro league is up to international standard.

we have to start over from scratch if we expect to see progress, as the old saying goes you can't get blood from a stone.

Any league is not better because unless you play in a major league you are forgotten. Look at Yohance Marshall, in my opinion the best T&T centre back. He played in the Pro League and got selected. Moved to El Salvador and he's just a memory. Many players recognise that if you play regularly in the Pro League, you will get noticed because Hart goes to virtually every game. If you're in a lesser league elsewhere, you may get paid more, but you won't win many caps.

FS i respectfully beg to differ simply because peltier, aubrey david and danial cyrus all play far away from home yet they are staple players on the national team. and if you could honestly say that our local league is up to international standard then you have lost a lot of credibility for such a dishonest answer because you know better than that boss. as for yohance marshal, i saw his name on the 35 man roster for the gold cup.

True. But I still believe Pro League is better than many. T&T club teams regularly qualify for Champions League. While the entire league may not be the greatest, it does produce some decent teams. And yes, I know it could be better but our talent pool isn't as deep as we'd like to think. But pro rata I think the league produces much more talent than a fair amount of greater populated nations.

[Controversial]

what's the real issue here folks? the players for the most part all play in a mediocre league PFL, the ones who ball out side barely getting sweat, isn't it obvious that the guys are not fit enough? another thing to take into consideration is their work ethic. how many of these boys actually take time off to perfect their craft. im damn sure that none of these players spend any amount of time on the field working on their set pieces ball control speed or first touch after their daily practice sessions. people ever wonder why fellers like messi and neymar are the players they are? practice makes perfect.

Whereas the Jordanian players are all from EPL, Serie A and La Liga?

any league is better than our league in my opinion.  watched a game last year and left during the intermission, just real poor basic skills. come on FS could you seriously tell me that our pro league is up to international standard.

we have to start over from scratch if we expect to see progress, as the old saying goes you can't get blood from a stone.

Any league is not better because unless you play in a major league you are forgotten. Look at Yohance Marshall, in my opinion the best T&T centre back. He played in the Pro League and got selected. Moved to El Salvador and he's just a memory. Many players recognise that if you play regularly in the Pro League, you will get noticed because Hart goes to virtually every game. If you're in a lesser league elsewhere, you may get paid more, but you won't win many caps.

FS i respectfully beg to differ simply because peltier, aubrey david and danial cyrus all play far away from home yet they are staple players on the national team. and if you could honestly say that our local league is up to international standard then you have lost a lot of credibility for such a dishonest answer because you know better than that boss. as for yohance marshal, i saw his name on the 35 man roster for the gold cup.

True. But I still believe Pro League is better than many. T&T club teams regularly qualify for Champions League. While the entire league may not be the greatest, it does produce some decent teams. And yes, I know it could be better but our talent pool isn't as deep as we'd like to think. But pro rata I think the league produces much more talent than a fair amount of greater populated nations.

the talent is there, more funding and national exposure is needed for the players... ttfa has failed us for decades...

[King Deese]

Wait!!!!! Blame this one on the lack of funding from the MOS. Yo!!!! Sancho, this is your fault......

[kounty]

Father, please put a hand on this team. Put a hand on Hart so that he could explain to Aubrey, Bateau, Cyrus and JJ how to have at least one of them step to the ball (not escort 24-7) while the others cover...or failing that Father, please find us 3 defenders before the Gold Cup. Please build on Peltier's work ethic, but inspire him to spend his free time putting in good crosses daily for the rest of June & July. Father, help Kenwyne develop a good 1-2 with Cato, Plaza, Winchester or somebody else. Inspire Yorkie and Bleeder to pull Hyland square and help him notch up his tackling game..because you know he willing. Please give Hart the gall to bench Jan so he will know to concentrate 90mins and also, please teach somebody on this team to take a corner. Finally Father, Bless the TTFA and this team with at least 3 more games before we face Guatemala and some good subs in the midfield and give Hart the sense to know the right timing in using subs. Amen.


I like this team. they jus need a lil work.

[vb]

Anybody know the numbers for the players.

[vb]

Watching the game now. In the 27th minute, KJ in front of goal, get quadrupled team and the men just watching him. Nobody run up to give a hand.

Like that size has slowed down KJ.

[frico]

Very soon teams like Bangladesh,India and Pakistan will surpass us,Bangladesh recent draw in a WC qualifier shows how they are developing.

[reggae-fan]

Oh well too soon to talk about qualifying fuhWorld Cup - leh we just enjoy another 4cup in we development to Caribbean football supremacy!

Instead of all men putting their heads together for the betterment of football all them fighting down each other for power political edge and pocket change - all ah de from a minister who could take a high road and fight for team support instead everyone trying to squeeze each other balls!

Why hasn't Fenwick ever been invited to assist Hart?  Harris doing the best with all the team has to deal with on and off the field.

Caribbean football supremacy dont mean shit if the entire region is playing at poor quality! This Caribbean supremacy ting is the mindset of the older heads who have T&T football where it is today!

 This belief that being the best among piss poor playing nations in the Caribbean is actually something to be proud about..smdh!  The goal should always be to qualify for the WC which means you have to be one of the better teams in CONCACAF

You are showing too much respect to the central american teams...they are not as good as you make them out to be. El Salvador and Guatemala struggled recently against caribbean opponents in world cup qualifying, they barely scraped through over two legs...Guatemala lost heavily i believe 5 goals to 0 against the same Uruguay team that struggled to beat Jamaica the other day just days before the start of the Copa. Panama was totally taken apart also by Ecuador 4-0 too in a pre-tournament warm up. Venezuela recently defeated Honduras twice, Peru once, and just the other day they also defeated Columbia. They ran into Jmaica a couple months ago in a friendly and lost that game 2-1...The same Rondon guy who scored to sink Colombia scored a similar goal in the Jamaica game.

Point is, while you are seeing caribbean teams as pooor teams, i have reason to think that some Caribbean teams are better than others...there are a few who have better supprt systems in place at the federation level, a wider pool of players to choose from, and decent coaches that have coached at the highest level. You cant group a team like Dominica and Jamaica in the same class IMO.

[Sando prince]

Oh well too soon to talk about qualifying fuhWorld Cup - leh we just enjoy another 4cup in we development to Caribbean football supremacy!

Instead of all men putting their heads together for the betterment of football all them fighting down each other for power political edge and pocket change - all ah de from a minister who could take a high road and fight for team support instead everyone trying to squeeze each other balls!

Why hasn't Fenwick ever been invited to assist Hart?  Harris doing the best with all the team has to deal with on and off the field.

Caribbean football supremacy dont mean shit if the entire region is playing at poor quality! This Caribbean supremacy ting is the mindset of the older heads who have T&T football where it is today!

 This belief that being the best among piss poor playing nations in the Caribbean is actually something to be proud about..smdh!  The goal should always be to qualify for the WC which means you have to be one of the better teams in CONCACAF

You are showing too much respect to the central american teams...they are not as good as you make them out to be. El Salvador and Guatemala struggled recently against caribbean opponents in world cup qualifying, they barely scraped through over two legs...Guatemala lost heavily i believe 5 goals to 0 against the same Uruguay team that struggled to beat Jamaica the other day just days before the start of the Copa. Panama was totally taken apart also by Ecuador 4-0 too in a pre-tournament warm up. Venezuela recently defeated Honduras twice, Peru once, and just the other day they also defeated Columbia. They ran into Jmaica a couple months ago in a friendly and lost that game 2-1...The same Rondon guy who scored to sink Colombia scored a similar goal in the Jamaica game.

Point is, while you are seeing caribbean teams as pooor teams, i have reason to think that some Caribbean teams are better than others...there are a few who have better supprt systems in place at the federation level, a wider pool of players to choose from, and decent coaches that have coached at the highest level. You cant group a team like Dominica and Jamaica in the same class IMO.

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH CARIBBEAN TEAMS ARE BETTER IF THEY ALL PLAYING AT POOR QUALITY LEVEL. Get your head out of who is better in the Caribbean bullshit when NO Caribbean team has a strong chance of WC qualification at the moment. I much rather my team qualify for WC than win Caribbean battles. Like I said in a few weeks we will be hearing the same ole story about Jamaica not being ready. I am not getting tie up with this one performance against Uruguay.

Honduras, CR and Panama are ahead of Jamaica and T&T and when we play them it shows! That is what I said earlier! I dont care about El Salvador and Guatemala.

[sjahrain]

The logic that money will slove it all,is basically an illusion
There are many teams and countries with far less and get a better bang for thier dollar
Money will never give you heart nor pride

[reggae-fan]

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH CARIBBEAN TEAMS ARE BETTER IF THEY ALL PLAYING AT POOR QUALITY LEVEL. Get your head out of who is better in the Caribbean bullshit when NO Caribbean team has a strong chance of WC qualification at the moment. I much rather my team qualify for WC than win Caribbean battles. Like I said in a few weeks we will be hearing the same ole story about Jamaica not being ready. I am not getting tie up with this one performance against Uruguay.

Honduras, CR and Panama are ahead of Jamaica and T&T and when we play them it shows! That is what I said earlier! I dont care about El Salvador and Guatemala.

No need for the SHOUTING, I believe we are agreeing to some extent here.  I don't believe there is anyone in the caribbean who would trade a world cup place for a Caribbean title. 

For all the superiority that Panama has shown in the past 10 years, they are yet to make an apperanace at a world cup finals. the craibbean has sent a total of 4 teams to date.

[Dutty Love]

Oh well too soon to talk about qualifying fuhWorld Cup - leh we just enjoy another 4cup in we development to Caribbean football supremacy!

Instead of all men putting their heads together for the betterment of football all them fighting down each other for power political edge and pocket change - all ah de from a minister who could take a high road and fight for team support instead everyone trying to squeeze each other balls!

Why hasn't Fenwick ever been invited to assist Hart?  Harris doing the best with all the team has to deal with on and off the field.

Caribbean football supremacy dont mean shit if the entire region is playing at poor quality! This Caribbean supremacy ting is the mindset of the older heads who have T&T football where it is today!

 This belief that being the best among piss poor playing nations in the Caribbean is actually something to be proud about..smdh!  The goal should always be to qualify for the WC which means you have to be one of the better teams in CONCACAF

You are showing too much respect to the central american teams...they are not as good as you make them out to be. El Salvador and Guatemala struggled recently against caribbean opponents in world cup qualifying, they barely scraped through over two legs...Guatemala lost heavily i believe 5 goals to 0 against the same Uruguay team that struggled to beat Jamaica the other day just days before the start of the Copa. Panama was totally taken apart also by Ecuador 4-0 too in a pre-tournament warm up. Venezuela recently defeated Honduras twice, Peru once, and just the other day they also defeated Columbia. They ran into Jmaica a couple months ago in a friendly and lost that game 2-1...The same Rondon guy who scored to sink Colombia scored a similar goal in the Jamaica game.

Point is, while you are seeing caribbean teams as pooor teams, i have reason to think that some Caribbean teams are better than others...there are a few who have better supprt systems in place at the federation level, a wider pool of players to choose from, and decent coaches that have coached at the highest level. You cant group a team like Dominica and Jamaica in the same class IMO.

How did El Salvador exactly struggled when they won 4-1 at home last night? Playing away is not easy for anyone, USA struggles too at times.

[reggae-fan]

How did El Salvador exactly struggled when they won 4-1 at home last night? Playing away is not easy for anyone, USA struggles too at times.

What was the result in the first leg? I am sure the 30,000 rabid fans in the Cuscatlan must have been intimidating to poor old St Kitts who probably don't even have 30,000 people in their entire population back home (i'm sure they do but you catch my drift).

Bermuda held Guatemala to 0-0 in Guatemala City if i'm not mistaken...in a world cup qualifier. 10 years ago that would be a sure 6-0 thrashing. The tables are turning slowly.

[asylumseeker]

How did El Salvador exactly struggled when they won 4-1 at home last night? Playing away is not easy for anyone, USA struggles too at times.

What was the result in the first leg? I am sure the 30,000 rabid fans in the Cuscatlan must have been intimidating to poor old St Kitts who probably don't even have 30,000 people in their entire population back home (i'm sure they do but you catch my drift).

Bermuda held Guatemala to 0-0 in Guatemala City if i'm not mistaken...in a world cup qualifier. 10 years ago that would be a sure 6-0 thrashing. The tables are turning slowly.

Actually the capacity for the Cuscatlan is just about the equivalent of every man, woman and child in St. Kitts showing up to watch the game.

[Dutty Love]

How did El Salvador exactly struggled when they won 4-1 at home last night? Playing away is not easy for anyone, USA struggles too at times.

What was the result in the first leg? I am sure the 30,000 rabid fans in the Cuscatlan must have been intimidating to poor old St Kitts who probably don't even have 30,000 people in their entire population back home (i'm sure they do but you catch my drift).

Bermuda held Guatemala to 0-0 in Guatemala City if i'm not mistaken...in a world cup qualifier. 10 years ago that would be a sure 6-0 thrashing. The tables are turning slowly.

There were 3 regular goals disallowed in that Gauatemala game. There is an investigation on the Cuban referees I believe.

[Peong]

Oh well too soon to talk about qualifying fuhWorld Cup - leh we just enjoy another 4cup in we development to Caribbean football supremacy!

Instead of all men putting their heads together for the betterment of football all them fighting down each other for power political edge and pocket change - all ah de from a minister who could take a high road and fight for team support instead everyone trying to squeeze each other balls!

Why hasn't Fenwick ever been invited to assist Hart?  Harris doing the best with all the team has to deal with on and off the field.

Caribbean football supremacy dont mean shit if the entire region is playing at poor quality! This Caribbean supremacy ting is the mindset of the older heads who have T&T football where it is today!

 This belief that being the best among piss poor playing nations in the Caribbean is actually something to be proud about..smdh!  The goal should always be to qualify for the WC which means you have to be one of the better teams in CONCACAF

You are showing too much respect to the central american teams...they are not as good as you make them out to be. El Salvador and Guatemala struggled recently against caribbean opponents in world cup qualifying, they barely scraped through over two legs...Guatemala lost heavily i believe 5 goals to 0 against the same Uruguay team that struggled to beat Jamaica the other day just days before the start of the Copa. Panama was totally taken apart also by Ecuador 4-0 too in a pre-tournament warm up. Venezuela recently defeated Honduras twice, Peru once, and just the other day they also defeated Columbia. They ran into Jmaica a couple months ago in a friendly and lost that game 2-1...The same Rondon guy who scored to sink Colombia scored a similar goal in the Jamaica game.

Point is, while you are seeing caribbean teams as pooor teams, i have reason to think that some Caribbean teams are better than others...there are a few who have better supprt systems in place at the federation level, a wider pool of players to choose from, and decent coaches that have coached at the highest level. You cant group a team like Dominica and Jamaica in the same class IMO.

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH CARIBBEAN TEAMS ARE BETTER IF THEY ALL PLAYING AT POOR QUALITY LEVEL. Get your head out of who is better in the Caribbean bullshit when NO Caribbean team has a strong chance of WC qualification at the moment. I much rather my team qualify for WC than win Caribbean battles. Like I said in a few weeks we will be hearing the same ole story about Jamaica not being ready. I am not getting tie up with this one performance against Uruguay.

Honduras, CR and Panama are ahead of Jamaica and T&T and when we play them it shows! That is what I said earlier! I dont care about El Salvador and Guatemala.

You are free to disregard Caribbean football, but I like it and enjoy when we on top.
Doh leh meh see yuh in the Caribbean Cup thread eh.

[Deeks]

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH CARIBBEAN TEAMS ARE BETTER IF THEY ALL PLAYING AT POOR QUALITY LEVEL. Get your head out of who is better in the Caribbean bullshit when NO Caribbean team has a strong chance of WC qualification at the moment. I much rather my team qualify for WC than win Caribbean battles. Like I said in a few weeks we will be hearing the same ole story about Jamaica not being ready. I am not getting tie up with this one performance against Uruguay.

Honduras, CR and Panama are ahead of Jamaica and T&T and when we play them it shows! That is what I said earlier! I dont care about El Salvador and Guatemala.

Prince, I don't understand your logic, here. The CFU tournament is important. It is a stepping stone to the other regional tournaments. It is a sub regional tournament to foster "sporting friendship" in the Caribbean. It gives young and fringe players a chance to play in an regional international tournament. Of course our goal is the WC. If we don't make it in WC qualification, what will you do? Stop playing international football? We will be putting the country at a disadvantage. Unless things change drastically moneywise and we play top 20 ranked teams, I don't see us having any  choice to play for King of the Caribbean hill.

[Sando prince]

^^ Iz anyone advocating not to play in the poor quality CFU tournaments? Is that what you get from my post? I don't understand your logic

Also it is important to note the CFU tournaments currently does not provide sufficient preparation for any Caribbean teams against quality opposition outside the Caribbean. Let us not try to sugar-coat what is reality. If T&T win the Caribbean Cup tomorrow it will not mean we have progressed as a footballing nation because WE KNOW the standard of the tournament is low hence why it does not make sense for posters to be debating who is better between JA & T&T and who run the Caribbean.

Man want to take pride in what exactly? when they know they can only dominate teams in their pool of shitness?   

The standard should be WC qualification and being able to compete with countries who have similar standards. Nothing less! Not beating Guyana and losing to Honduras on a regular basis. Not beating Barbados but getting whipped by Panama.. talk done

[Peong]

So Sando when the Caribbean is playing at a good enough level to warrant ppl talking about Caribbean football, will you let us know?
That way we won't waste our breath on something meaningless.

[Controversial]

^^ Iz anyone advocating not to play in the poor quality CFU tournaments? Is that what you get from my post? I don't understand your logic

Also it is important to note the CFU tournaments currently does not provide sufficient preparation for any Caribbean teams against quality opposition outside the Caribbean. Let us not try to sugar-coat what is reality. If T&T win the Caribbean Cup tomorrow it will not mean we have progressed as a footballing nation because WE KNOW the standard of the tournament is low hence why it does not make sense for posters to be debating who is better between JA & T&T and who run the Caribbean.

Man want to take pride in what exactly? when they know they can only dominate teams in their pool of shitness?   

The standard should be WC qualification and being able to compete with countries who have similar standards. Nothing less! Not beating Guyana and losing to Honduras on a regular basis. Not beating Barbados but getting whipped by Panama.. talk done

i think your gripe is with the pro league and school football that should be preparing our players from an early age to play at the highest level...

you bemoaning the tournament while it is much deeper than that...