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The logic being displayed by Socapro confuses me. You champion the cause for Solomon based on his 2nd place finish at the National Championships so u think that he should have run in the final in front of the man who placed 1st at the very same Championships???The four men in the final are easily our best 400m runners. Solomon had his chance at the Pan Am Games to show form and didnt. Lendore, Cedenio and Gordon are our top 3 400m runners. The final spot is between Quow and Solomon and that in itself is an easy choice.Let me reiterate that Solomon is a very important member of our 400m squad, but there can be no sentiment where the individual is concerned.
Quote from: jusbless on September 02, 2015, 12:46:29 PMIf Quow and Santos (DR) can run 44.5 or faster then so can Solomon as they are all around the same height and built in regards to tools for the job. Its all about training, speed endurance, race strategy and mind set. Regards Solomon trying his hand at the 800m as you suggest to see if he can be world class in that event, its an idea but I doubt he will be able to tally with the top Kenyans to become world class in that event.
Quote from: Socapro on September 02, 2015, 03:30:43 PMQuote from: jusbless on September 02, 2015, 12:46:29 PMIf Quow and Santos (DR) can run 44.5 or faster then so can Solomon as they are all around the same height and built in regards to tools for the job. Its all about training, speed endurance, race strategy and mind set. Regards Solomon trying his hand at the 800m as you suggest to see if he can be world class in that event, its an idea but I doubt he will be able to tally with the top Kenyans to become world class in that event.Soca,You have made a lot of good points in your arguments about the merits of Jarrin Solomon, but this one baffles me. Is that what it takes? height and build? Reminds me of the biblical passage, " Man looks on the outward appearance.." Much more than those two things are physiology and psychology. Muscle function, and mindset, some of which can be trained or develops but on a natural basis of genetics. So do you think everyone who has the same height and built as Bolt can run the same times if trained? It is far more complicated than that.
Andre Samuel it makes no sense arguing with socapro. As much as everyone else can see the fact. Getting him to see things logically is a waste of time. I asked for him to show back to back 44.5 splits and he post up videos yet he left out the splits as it will not support his claim. Does it make sense arguing when it is clear that he is alone on this jarrin Solomon should of been in the final BS. It comes just like politics in Trinidad don't matter the facts we are prone to blindly support even though facts dictate we should not. So take win socapro stay in your ignorance. Who would thought winning a silver at world's would turn into a debate about jarrin Solomon being as he put it politically abused. So instead of being about winning silver it has turned into the abuse of jarrin Solomon. I guess one man is truly bigger than the team as we are having this debate for a 44 second challenge sprinter. What is his rank in the 400 this year.Socapro sorry for doubting your world class sprinter jarrin Solomon is the damn clock and competitors that have him running 45. Damn this system. Fight the power Jarrin Solomon you are our number one 400 runner. Don't study time is just a number what you think you can do is all that matter
Talk sense from nonsense how can we time splits when each leg is different and based on the competition, plus a second leg split that is from a standing position indicates that you can run a 44.5 from start to finish in a flat 400m then RT should run 9.3s in the 100 cause he clocked those splits many times anchoring the Trinidad 4x100m team. Why stop their Allyson Felix should be clocking 47 in 400 cause she run it in 4x400 splits. Quow and Solomon run on the same team different legs comparing leg splits disregarding the legs that they had to run is utter madness. The only way you can see who is better is to put them in a flat 400m race where quow has proven to be better. You can only compare legs based on the relay splits of everyone on the same leg in the same race. Stop the idiotic logic and stop playing smart with foolishness.
Socapro you know what is real funny you posting the 44.5 split of Jarrin Solomon to justify your point so I decided to take a look at it and compare it to the rest of teams in the same heat 2nd leg runners. To my utter surprise only brazil and Ireland ran slower splits. Do you want me to post the link or did you ignored that fact for the sake of argument. So a man who ran the sixth fastest in his leg in the semis in virtue of that performance and seeing that he was fresh deserves a place in the finals.
Lets give you stats courtesy iaaf second leg splits Tony Mc Quay 44.0 Jarrin Solomon 44.5 Ricardo Chambers 44.1 Raidel Acea 44.4 Nijel Amos 44.1 Yon Soriano 43.8 Wagner Cardoso 44.9 Brian murphy 45.2. Plus according to the stats in iaaf Quow actually handed off the baton joint 5th so Solomon did not battle upward from last to bring us 6th he actually dropped us from 5th to 6th. Don't attack me attack iaaf these stats are courtesy them. http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/15th-iaaf-world-championships-4875/results/men/4x400-metres-relay/heats/result#resultheaderCheck the race analysis as to support my argument.
Why everyone against Jarrin Solomon, Even the IAAF doctored times to make him look bad
.... Just to deviate from a discussion which is really not going to be resolved here .....what caused so many disappointments at the WG ? Injuries ? training ? nutrition ? pollution ? general lack of preparedness ? Ato mentioned something which I believe is significant in determining why we did not get more medals .... " Michele was running earlier what she needed to be running now " same could be said for Keshorn with his throws ....Bolt is tuned to the minute ...are we guilty of bad timing for major events ? is the diamond league putting pressure on our athletes to peak before the majors ?Just a thought ...
Bravo what an excellent moderator we have for this forum who has moved to calling me a clown because I disagree with his faulty reasoning or logic. I said Solomon 44.5 in context with others who ran the same leg as him in the same heat in the same condition his 44.5 does not cut it . Your argument is if you take 1 sec from quow time in the semis it equates to 44.9 so because of that Solomon should of run the final. But what is weird is that you are saying the team would of run faster in the line up you put up . Using your same peculiar sense of logic if I take renny 44.9 in the final and minus the one second that gives me 43.9 . I keep wondering where are we as a society or what kind of individual we are if people resort to calling names because of the fact others don't agree with your logic. Bravo Bravo what a moderator. I must ask who moderates the moderator or is it that when you reach that status you are free to say whatever you like without censorship
I'm happy that our pool of 400m runners is deep. I think this argument about relay selection will trickle into the other relay events where. On the women's relay, only 3 spots will be secured once Hackett continues to improve. Whoever runs low 11 out of these four (Thomas, Selvon, St Forte or Durant )will get the spot on the relay team.