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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2015, 05:10:38 PM »
Sub time. Pull Andrews.
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2015, 05:16:33 PM »
Poor defending on reading reverse balls. Excellent work by the GK!
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2015, 05:18:55 PM »
Substitution: Dario Holmes in for Aikim Andrews.

About 5' left in regulation.
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2015, 05:21:05 PM »
That Andrews sub was a tad tardy.
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2015, 05:21:56 PM »
Must commend d young warriors tho....under a lot of pressure but I'm lovin our desire to compete...defensively as a team is one fuh all! And we standing up and playin football when we had d ball
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2015, 05:22:18 PM »
Unlucky 3-2 Mexico
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2015, 05:26:40 PM »
4-2 Mex...young warriors lost d grip....
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2015, 05:27:11 PM »
3-2 Mexico.

Lack of concentration. But game mgmt was also not being driven from the bench.

Now 4-2.
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2015, 05:28:22 PM »
didn't see the 1st half but those guys looked really bad 4 goals in 30mins.

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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2015, 05:31:58 PM »
Ricardo John put down a good foundation for his upcoming season.
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2015, 05:43:54 PM »
didn't see the 1st half but those guys looked really bad 4 goals in 30mins.

They had a respectable first half. I'm disappointed that at 60' there was no move made to stymie what was coming.

Ah feel we could establish a rivalry with Mexico. Even if premature, it's a worthy target.
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2015, 06:17:56 PM »

Disappointed. So should I just be glad with the first 30 mins of play? Young Warriors far from being a team worthy of a medal

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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2015, 07:11:28 PM »
After taking a 2-goal lead from Ricardo John (7) and Shackeil Henry (39), T&T Under 23 Pan American team surrounded in the second half and allowed Mexico back into the game as the El-Tri scored 4 unanswered goals within 30 minute to rally back for a 4-2 victory. The Young Warriors ends their unsuccessful campaign winless. They have scored 3 goals in the process, conceded 12 and finished last in their group. 4-0 to Uruguay, 5-1 to Paraguay and now 4-2 to Mexico. Definitely, some work to be done. Better luck next time T&T.

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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2015, 10:29:35 PM »

Disappointed. So should I just be glad with the first 30 mins of play? Young Warriors far from being a team worthy of a medal

This team as U-20s were the Caribbean champions, by a country mile (with JA absent). On fresh legs they matched the Mexicans and were (IMO)  individually more skilled, and as a team, more cohesive. The trouble came when it was time to adapt tactically and they got tired. The midfield dropped back to absorb pressure but were unable to launch counter attacks when Mexico began to move men forward and force play in the middle of the park. Some gave up too easily  (Andrews), some got injured, (Henry). But most of them still battled to the end as hard as their legs would take them. Shannon Gomez is a pint sized pit bull, and fought for every ball like a man possessed. Alvin Jones, Ricardo John and a few others continued to play box to box. Vranes also waited far too long to sub Andrews, and the lost the plot after Henry came off. Sub Jomal Williams had little impact on the game.

Give this side the same level of prep and care as the Mexico team they played today and they could have at least kept up to them, and probably beaten them.
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2015, 01:50:32 AM »

Disappointed. So should I just be glad with the first 30 mins of play? Young Warriors far from being a team worthy of a medal

This team as U-20s were the Caribbean champions, by a country mile (with JA absent). On fresh legs they matched the Mexicans and were (IMO)  individually more skilled, and as a team, more cohesive. The trouble came when it was time to adapt tactically and they got tired. The midfield dropped back to absorb pressure but were unable to launch counter attacks when Mexico began to move men forward and force play in the middle of the park. Some gave up too easily  (Andrews), some got injured, (Henry). But most of them still battled to the end as hard as their legs would take them. Shannon Gomez is a pint sized pit bull, and fought for every ball like a man possessed. Alvin Jones, Ricardo John and a few others continued to play box to box. Vranes also waited far too long to sub Andrews, and the lost the plot after Henry came off. Sub Jomal Williams had little impact on the game.

Give this side the same level of prep and care as the Mexico team they played today and they could have at least kept up to them, and probably beaten them.

this team  is an under 22 team (under 23 next year)  players born on or after Jan 1 1993 . The team that won the caribbean cup last year was an under 19 team(under 20 team this year) players born on or after jan 1 1995 ..big difference
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2015, 08:29:05 AM »
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2015, 12:47:28 PM »
Zandolie ah fed up hear "could have", "would have" after T&T lose a match. Its rare to hear "we did not do this" "or we should have done that" or "we failed to do so".


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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2015, 01:01:00 PM »
What BS is this?  My son say T&T eat too much doubles.

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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2015, 06:34:22 PM »

Disappointed. So should I just be glad with the first 30 mins of play? Young Warriors far from being a team worthy of a medal

This team as U-20s were the Caribbean champions, by a country mile (with JA absent). On fresh legs they matched the Mexicans and were (IMO)  individually more skilled, and as a team, more cohesive. The trouble came when it was time to adapt tactically and they got tired. The midfield dropped back to absorb pressure but were unable to launch counter attacks when Mexico began to move men forward and force play in the middle of the park. Some gave up too easily  (Andrews), some got injured, (Henry). But most of them still battled to the end as hard as their legs would take them. Shannon Gomez is a pint sized pit bull, and fought for every ball like a man possessed. Alvin Jones, Ricardo John and a few others continued to play box to box. Vranes also waited far too long to sub Andrews, and the lost the plot after Henry came off. Sub Jomal Williams had little impact on the game.

Give this side the same level of prep and care as the Mexico team they played today and they could have at least kept up to them, and probably beaten them.

this team  is an under 22 team (under 23 next year)  players born on or after Jan 1 1993 . The team that won the caribbean cup last year was an under 19 team(under 20 team this year) players born on or after jan 1 1995 ..big difference

almost half the members of this team were CC winners, not to mention all those omitted from the tourney via the visa fiasco. give this same group all mexico had and see what would happen.

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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2015, 06:40:37 PM »
Zandolie ah fed up hear "could have", "would have" after T&T lose a match. Its rare to hear "we did not do this" "or we should have done that" or "we failed to do so".



i hear what yuh saying. but preparation=success, not so. you really expect caviar football for chicken 'n' chips money?
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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #50 on: July 22, 2015, 06:46:47 PM »
Zandolie ah fed up hear "could have", "would have" after T&T lose a match. Its rare to hear "we did not do this" "or we should have done that" or "we failed to do so".



i hear what yuh saying. but preparation=success, not so. you really expect caviar football for chicken 'n' chips money?

How do you feel about our pro league in regards to assisting our players with preparation? These players are playing at home in domestic leagues. These players are not schoolboys players.

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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2015, 06:58:58 PM »
the pl is the most successful league in the caribbean. but these teams take massive  licks from mexico, costa rica, honduras, etc. once they move into the CCL.

 so how is the pl preparing players to exceed concacaf standards?

in addition to more competitive leagues, these country's national associations put far greater care into all aspects of their senior and youth teams. so again...how are you expecting these guys to match the best in concacaf? if they get superior prep and they waste their opportunity that is a different story.

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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2015, 10:16:04 PM »
The manner of this loss was a concern. If you said Mexico is about two goals better before the Games began, that score is closer than would be expected. Our half baked under funded preparations will not yield success on talent alone. My question is what now? Are we going to do what it takes to mold this young team and bring them to where they need to be? You done know the answer to that.

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Re: Thread for T&T U-23s v. Mexico U-23s (Men) (21-Jul-2015)
« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2015, 11:00:57 PM »
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“Yo creo que sí hubo exceso de confianza por el antecedente que tenía Trinidad sobre sus resultados, me imagino, porque al final no lo sabes, ya que preparas el partido para empezar con todo, meter cuatro en el primero y cuatro en el segundo y resultó todo lo contrario en el primer tiempo. Pero para nosotros lo importante es esa reconversión que tuvo el equipo y la capacidad que mostró para resolver el partido en medio tiempo”.

Raúl Gutiérrez aseguró que lo que ocurrió esta tarde es una lección:

“No puedes regalar tanto, el equipo tuvo la fortuna de enfrentar a Trinidad porque con uno más capaz es complicado que suceda eso, que te den la oportunidad de voltear un marcador es difícil, entonces me parece que todos tenemos que aprender de esto”.

---Raúl Gutiérrez, Mexican U-22 NT coach

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Apparently, Mexico's plan was to score four goals in each half. They accomplished half of the mission.

He attributes how the first half went to overconfidence on their part. Says he considers it a lesson and that a more capable opponent would probably not have permitted the turnaround.

That's the lesson for them. What's the lesson for us?
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