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Men's & Women's 4x100m Relay Discussion Thread
« on: August 01, 2015, 01:42:46 AM »
It will be fantastic if we can all contribute to both our Men's and Women's 4x100m Relay teams being able to medal at the next major championships.

Please post your suggestions to this thread thanks of how we can best increase chances of our Men's & Women’s 4x100m Relay Teams medalling at the next Major Championships.

Many thanks for your contributions and do try to keep them as positive as possible as our athletes, coaches and administrators might be reading.
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A Bronze Medal Story – The 4x100 Men’s Pan Am Relay
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2015, 01:45:06 AM »
A Bronze Medal Story – The 4x100 Men’s Pan Am Relay
Thursday, 30 July 2015 16:20 (TTOC.org)


Dan-Neil Telesford, second from right, prepares to take baton from Emmanuel Callender,
during semi-finals of men's 4x100 relay at Pan Am Games 2015. T&T won the semi-final
in a time of 38.52.


Championship medals don't happen by chance, especially in an event with as many variables as the sprint relay. At the recently held Pan Am Games in Toronto, Trinidad and Tobago came home with two relay medals, gold in the men’s 4x400 and bronze in the men’s 4x100. Sprint relay events are always tricky because of the number of variables involved. Not only do competitors have to run fast, they must also get the baton around the track without leaving their lanes, and in the case of the 4x100 within a clearly demarcated “take over zone.” Failure to do either of these things can result in disqualification.
 
Putting together a successful relay team is also not simply a matter of selecting your fastest runners.  Nic-Connor Alexander, Olympian, former NCAA Division 2 champion in the 100 and 200metres and a certified USATF and IAAF coach, who is based at ZC Athletics in San Fernando was in charge of the men’s 4x100 team at Pan Am. Of putting together the relay team Alexander who has over fifteen years of sprinting experience, and who gave up a vacation to coach the team said, “Putting together a relay team is not as easy as one would think. As coaches we need to know the strengths and weaknesses of the six people that make up the team. With the absence of Richard Thompson and Marc Burns, we had to rebuild the team and get it right within a few days. During practice everyone ran in different positions before we came up with the final order. For the semi-final race we had four possible combinations that that we could have run depending on the outcome of races that ran earlier that day.”
 
The relay team of Keston Bledman, Rondel Sorillo, Emmanuel Callendar, Dan-Neil Telesford and silver medallist in the men’s 110 hurdles Mikel Thomas qualified easily for the finals by winning their semi-final in a time of 38.52 with few hiccups in getting the baton around the track. On the night of the finals, Thomas was given a well-deserved rest with Rondel Sorillo, Keston Bledman, Emmanuel Callendar and Dan-Neil Telesford stepping up to finish the race in a time 38.69.  Unofficial results had them as fourth, an agonizing .01 seconds outside of the medals with Canada first, the United States second and Brazil third. Alexander however like his coaching counterparts from the USA and Brazil had spotted an infraction by the Canadian team during their third hand over.
 
Along with coaches from the USA and Brazil, Alexander asked for a formal review of the race and was told that each coach would have the opportunity to review the race individually. Alexander spotted the infraction after a close review and told the guys, “We may get a medal so don’t worry,” although he was really thinking I am not leaving here without a medal. When the race referee refused to let an official from the USA review the race after Alexander and his Brazilian counterpart spotted infractions, a formal protest was launched. That challenge was ultimately successful and Canada was disqualified for leaving their lane. Antigua and Barbuda were also disqualified for passing the baton outside the takeover zone, leaving the United States with the gold, Brazil with the Silver and Trinidad and Tobago with the bronze.
 
While we are no stranger to medal upgrades, Alexander insists that Trinidad and Tobago has the quality to consistently medal in the relays on the international stage. “There is one change that we need to make before we head to the World Championships in August. All we have to do now is practice, practice and practice some more and we should be coming home with another medal in the men's 4x100m.”
 
Sprinter and relay bronze medallist, Callendar added, “There are rules in every sport and we have to abide by it. It’s not the way we expected to win but we’ll take this bronze; and continue moving forward to every meet, trying to perfect our chemistry so by the time world championships comes around we can get the gold.”

The world Championships are scheduled to take place in Beijing China from August 22nd to August 30th 2015, and Alexander believes that more training camps for our relay athletes throughout the year can only be an asset in building the chemistry and belief that is needed for relay success.
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Re: Men's & Women's 4x100m Relay Discussion Thread
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2015, 05:50:25 AM »
So with just 3 weeks to go till the start of the World Champs in Beijing I wonder when we plan to have our next relay training camp to help build more team chemistry, etc as was stated is required in article just above?

I personally think that for our Men's 4x1 relay team to have any chance of medalling in Beijing (which means beating the likes of Canada, Great Britain and Japan) we need at least 2 athletes in sub-10 form in our relay squad with the sub-10 sprinter with better speed endurance on our 2nd leg and the other sub-10 sprinter on the anchor leg. Our team has to have the leg speed to run a sub-38 time in the Final.

If we are hoping to medal without at least two sub-10 sprinters in our Men's 4x1 squad then we have to practice practice practice and hope that two of these three teams (Canada, Great Britain and Japan) either drop their baton or get DQed for running out of their lane or exchanging outside of one of the changing zones. That's the reality especially with our top notch anchor man Richard Thompson missing.

So with that said which of these sprinters is going to be in proven sub-10 form in time for Beijing?

Rondel Sorillo (1st leg)
Keston Bledman (2nd leg)
Emmanuel Callendar (3rd leg)
Dan-Neil Telesford (anchor)

I think they are in the best relay order to give us a realistic chance of medalling but I can only confidentally predict that Keston Bledman will be in proven sub-10 form in time for Beijing. Which of our other available sprinters outside of Bledman is going to rise to the occasion and run an official 10.0x or better outside of T&T in time for Beijing with just 3 weeks to go?!

The other members of our relay pool are most likely going to be Mikel Thomas and Marcus Duncan.
Can either of them get their 100m SB time down to 10.0x to help give our team a few strong options for anchor or is Dan-Neil Telesford the best man to anchor given his anchor performance at the Pan Am Games?
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Re: Men's & Women's 4x100m Relay Discussion Thread
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2015, 09:06:56 PM »
Great news. Michelle is back..

http://www.trackalerts.com/Articles/vcb-gibson-secure-wins-in-atlanta/14255/

I notice track alerts don't publish the result of the short sprint hurdles events maybe its because of the Americans domination of the events

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Voisin praises 4x100 women
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2015, 11:00:13 PM »
Voisin praises 4x100 women
By ASHFORD JACKMAN Friday, September 11 2015 (T&T Newsday)


T&T’s 4x100m women’s relay team celebrate on the podium after receiving their bronze medals at the World Athletics Championships at the Bird’s Nest stadium in Beijing. From left: Kelly-Ann Baptiste, Michelle-Lee Ahye, Reyare Thomas, Semoy Hackett. AP Photo.

AS TODAY’S Van Damme Memorial IAAF Diamond League meet in Brussels virtually brings the curtain down on the international track and field season, athletes and officials alike are more focused than ever on next year’s Olympic Games in Brazil. Some, like the amazing Jamaican sprinter Usain Bolt have already closed up shop to work on being at their best in Rio De Janeiro.

Trinidad and Tobago’s athletes are no different, as having enjoyed one of their better Games in London 2012, the burden of expectation will be even greater next year.

It was in London that Keshorn Walcott won the country’s second Olympic gold, in the Men’s Javelin.

Lalonde Gordon claimed bronze in the 400 metres and joined his teammates in winning 4x400m relay bronze as well, and the Men’s 4x100m squad initially won bronze which has since been upgraded to silver, following the USA’s disqualification due to a failed drug test.

One individual with a fair insight into the capabilities of the TT athletes going into Rio is Dexter Voisin, who managed that team in London and just recently was in charge again in Beijing at the World Championships. Speaking with Newsday recently, Voisin expressed his personal view that the relay medals in China should not have come as a surprise to anyone.

He cited the TT Women’s sprint relay team, recounting their progress over the past four years to drive home his point.

“The 4x100m women, I would say in 2011 they really made their mark on the world scene when they qualified for the World Championship final in Daegu, and by doing so, breaking the national record,” he began.

For the record, that team, consisting of Michelle-Lee Ahye, Kai Selvon, Kelly-Ann Baptiste and Semoy Hackett came to notice after just missing out on the bronze medals, but the following year, they failed to finish in the Olympic final. “In 2012, leg speed was good, but we had baton-passing problems,” Voisin recalled. The former athlete speculated that had Semoy Hackett and Kelly-Ann Baptiste not been absent, serving bans after failed drug tests, the sprint quartet would have been on the medal podium at the World Championships in 2013.

“So they were always up there, according to the world rankings.

Once Semoy Hackett and Kelly Ann Baptiste returned to the team with the type of form they had in 2015, there was no doubt in my mind or anybody’s mind that once they got the baton around, they would have done well enough to medal at the World Championships, and which they did.” Voisin added that one of the strengths of the current group is the unity and commitment they displayed in Beijing, something most fans at home would not have been aware of.

“The 4x100 women, they were so knitted; it’s the first time I have seen them so closely knitted in terms of how they operated off the track, in terms of taking their training seriously,” he said. “In once instance, Semoy Hackett and Reyare Thomas, immediately after the 200m semi-final, they came on to the track the following morning to do the baton passing. That is something you seldom see with the athletes, because after they do individual events, they always opt to take a rest. But they recognised how important it was to resume training with the team, because they didn’t have much time before the start of the relays. I think that augurs well for all relay teams once you could build that relationship on and off the field.” Voisin also expressed confidence in the Men’s 4x400m squad being a threat in Rio. He first explained that because Deon Lendore was injured at this year’s NCAA finals and missed the National Open Championships as a result, a decision was taken to leave him out of the individual 400m in Beijing.

“Lendore was given an opportunity to basically get back to fitness, where he had to prove his fitness by the cut-off date for the final entries,” he explained. “He didn’t prove his fitness in terms of the individual events... but he was the 5th-fastest 400 runner we had. So it would have been foolish on our part not to select him as part of (the relay team).” Voisin said that in Beijing Lendore was selected for the relay semi-final heat because the technical staff felt Machel Cedenio “deserved a rest” after running 7th in the 400m final. From that point, there was no turning back.

“He (Lendore) really showed where he was up to fitness for him to compete in the final, so he was used in the final.” The TT manager concluded by saying that once the five quarter- milers (the others were Renny Quow, Lalonde Gordon and Jarrin Solomon) were all fit, he was never in doubt that they would be among the medals.

“When it mattered most, they did turn up at the World Championships, they all ran fantastically according to the performance, and the splits will tell you that. In the final, everybody did what they set out to do and what was ahead of them.” TT fans will be hoping and praying that injuries do not factor next year, in the most important meet of all.

Meantime, Keshorn Walcott (Javelin) and Renny Quow (400m) will be competing today at the Van Damme Memorial in Brussels, the final event in the 2015 IAAF Diamond League series.
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Re: Men's & Women's 4x100m Relay Discussion Thread
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2015, 04:45:27 PM »
Recap video of the Women's 4x100m Relay Final at the 2015 IAAF World Championships in Beijing.
This is the NBC coverage with Ato Boldon working as one of the commentators.

Women's 4x100m Relay Final (2015 IAAF World Championships):
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/UlpFJ2DwWzU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/UlpFJ2DwWzU</a>

And here is the after 4x1 Final interview with our ladies where MLA promises that she was so happy she is going to cry on the medal podium.  ;)

WCH 2015 Beijing - Team Trinidad and Tobago 4x100m Relay Women Final Bronze
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/svy83ce6FXE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/svy83ce6FXE</a>

So let’s discuss our Women's sprint relay team for 2016.
How do we improve on our Women's Beijing 2015 performance in the 4x100m Relay and get our national record down to the 41.mid range and try to challenge for silver or gold at Rio 2016 while keeping ahead of Britain and the other teams which are also improving? Obviously JA and USA are ahead of us and so rather than trying to keep ahead of them we have to work very hard to catch up with those two front runners.

I reckon we can get in the mix to press USA and JA for silver or gold at the Rio Olympics in 2016 but we will need at least 3 of our 4 TTO female sprinters running in the 4x1 relay final to be in sub-11 form in the flat 100m and they will also need to improve on their baton passing to make it more efficient especially from 2nd to 3rd leg.
Once we can do above we can definitely press USA and JA for silver or even gold in the Women’s 4x1 in Rio!

Ideally if KAB, MLA, Hackett and St Fort are all in sub-11 form for the 2016 season in the build-up to Rio with no injuries then we will definitely be in the mix for one of the medals in Rio and if JA or the USA slip up in the final our medal could even turn out to be silver or gold. I would also like to see Kai Selvon, Reyare Thomas and Kamaria Durant take their 100m PB's down to below 11.20 for the 2016 season so that we can use them as strong alternates in the 4x100m Heats and still win our Heat or at least place 2nd for a good lane in the final while keeping at least two of our fastest sprinters rested from the Heats and fresh for the Women's 4x100m relay final.

What say you guys?!
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Re: Men's & Women's 4x100m Relay Discussion Thread
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2015, 12:13:20 AM »
I believe the women's 4x100m relay team has greater possibilities for improvement even more than the men's 4x400m team.

in 2014 and 2015 MLA provided some commanding performances that were offset by equally agonizing poor starts, acceleration and inopportune injuries - at times she looked like she could beat the world, yet flattered to deceive when least expected. It was enlightening to see that she visited the Michael Johnson facility, so hopefully she and her coach came away with some recommendations to correct her technical deficiencies.

KAB is the most experienced pro of the bunch and should achieve more consistency and technical acumen under Ato's tutelage - she tends to tighten up especially in the face, neck and shoulders, losing form in the final strides of very competitive finals

KSF's progress will be interesting to witness; hopefully her young body can withstand the rigors required to achieve consistent performances at a sub-11 level without injury

Both SH and KS need to adjust their diets, they are how should I say it "robust" young women. As such when they run, they rock sideways with stride patterns that are not as fluid as the next-level, elite sprinters. If only they can retain their power, but trim down on their mass. Would be nice if at least 2 of the other 3-4 100m sprinters could train together for competitive companionship and relay passing familiarity

As far as the team assignment from heats to final, I do not think we have the luxury to rest "top guns" for the final given the competitiveness of the #3-6 teams in the world. Unless KAB and MLA improve so much that their 200m PRs make them not just world class but contending finalists in both 100/200m, then all should be fresh to run both relay races. I assume MLA and KAB will contest the 100m and SH and KS the 200m, and the other talents (KSF, RT and KD) filling in the 3rd spots in either race.

As you mentioned - improved and consistent baton practice amongst team members will help finalize the optimal relay order and determine interchange options in event (i) KAB and MLA double up, or (ii) God forbid an injury requiring substitution. Given that KAB and KSF are in the same camp it would make sense for the other candidates to visit for practice sessions as early as March 2016 when it is already warm in south Florida.

Just like the other relay teams, sponsorship and support for regular world class competition is mandatory for them to mount a serious challenge to separate us from the UK, Ukraine, Canada, etc and approach JA and the US. We need them to improve well enough so that they think they can compete for gold, instead of hoping to advance better than bronze via the inopportune DQ or dropped baton on the US of JA's part.

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Re: Men's & Women's 4x100m Relay Discussion Thread
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2015, 03:59:38 AM »
I believe the women's 4x100m relay team has greater possibilities for improvement even more than the men's 4x400m team.

in 2014 and 2015 MLA provided some commanding performances that were offset by equally agonizing poor starts, acceleration and inopportune injuries - at times she looked like she could beat the world, yet flattered to deceive when least expected. It was enlightening to see that she visited the Michael Johnson facility, so hopefully she and her coach came away with some recommendations to correct her technical deficiencies.

KAB is the most experienced pro of the bunch and should achieve more consistency and technical acumen under Ato's tutelage - she tends to tighten up especially in the face, neck and shoulders, losing form in the final strides of very competitive finals

KSF's progress will be interesting to witness; hopefully her young body can withstand the rigors required to achieve consistent performances at a sub-11 level without injury

Both SH and KS need to adjust their diets, they are how should I say it "robust" young women. As such when they run, they rock sideways with stride patterns that are not as fluid as the next-level, elite sprinters. If only they can retain their power, but trim down on their mass. Would be nice if at least 2 of the other 3-4 100m sprinters could train together for competitive companionship and relay passing familiarity

As far as the team assignment from heats to final, I do not think we have the luxury to rest "top guns" for the final given the competitiveness of the #3-6 teams in the world. Unless KAB and MLA improve so much that their 200m PRs make them not just world class but contending finalists in both 100/200m, then all should be fresh to run both relay races. I assume MLA and KAB will contest the 100m and SH and KS the 200m, and the other talents (KSF, RT and KD) filling in the 3rd spots in either race.

As you mentioned - improved and consistent baton practice amongst team members will help finalize the optimal relay order and determine interchange options in event (i) KAB and MLA double up, or (ii) God forbid an injury requiring substitution. Given that KAB and KSF are in the same camp it would make sense for the other candidates to visit for practice sessions as early as March 2016 when it is already warm in south Florida.

Just like the other relay teams, sponsorship and support for regular world class competition is mandatory for them to mount a serious challenge to separate us from the UK, Ukraine, Canada, etc and approach JA and the US. We need them to improve well enough so that they think they can compete for gold, instead of hoping to advance better than bronze via the inopportune DQ or dropped baton on the US of JA's part.

Good post!
I hope those who are in charge will read your post and take a few useful tips onboard so that all bases are covered to help our women challenge for silver or gold in Rio.
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Re: Men's & Women's 4x100m Relay Discussion Thread
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2016, 05:56:32 AM »
Based upon the results of the 100m final at T&T Trails yesterday I think our Men's 4x100m Relay team for Rio is looking better than I expected earlier this year.

http://www.ttnaaa.org/results/2016/naaa_open/

Event 6  Men 100 Meter Dash
===============================================================================
          NR: #  9.82  6/21/2014   Richard Thompson                             
          CR: $  9.82  2014        Richard Thommpson                           
                10.16  OG Olympic Std                                           
    Name              Year Team                    Finals        Wind H# Points

===============================================================================
Finals                                                                         
  1 Thompson, Richard   85 Rebirth                   9.97 OG      1.7  2       
  2 Sorrillo, Rondell   86 LA Brea                   9.99 OG      1.7  2       
  3 Bledman, Keston     88 Simplex                  10.10 OG      1.7  2
       
  4 Callender, Emmanue  84 Memphis Pioneers         10.19         1.7  2       
  5 Duncan, Marcus      86 Rebirth                  10.25         1.7  2       
  6 Greaux, Kyle        88 Abilene                  10.27         1.7  2
       
  7 Allsop, Shermund    91 Concorde                 10.31         1.7  2       
  8 Morain, Moriba      92 Simplex                  10.33         1.7  2       

I believe our top 6 in the 100m final (higlighted in red) will be our Men's 4x100m Relay squad in Rio.
I think with Sorillo now in sub-10 100m form and with Callender now back to his best 100m form that our Men's 4x100m relay team might still stand a good chance of medaling if they make the final in Rio with our team running in this order:-

Bledman to Sorrillo to Callender to Thompson.

If we can stay in touch with the USA and Jamaica till the 3rd baton exchange then I see no reason why Richard can't anchor team TTO to at least a bronze medal in the Men's 4x100m relay in Rio (if all goes smoothly and we make the final with a good lane draw) and hold off the other top teams like Canada, Britain, St Kitts, etc.

Good luck to team TTO in Rio and praying that everyone who makes our team stays healthy.
With Ato's guidance our Men's 4x100m Relay team can still be medal contenders in Rio based upon their experience of delivering on the big stage. Let the doubters write-off team TTO's Men's 4x100m Relay team at their peril!  :beermug:
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Re: Men's & Women's 4x100m Relay Discussion Thread
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2016, 08:26:13 AM »
Based upon the results of the Women's 100m final at T&T Trails yesterday I think our Women's 4x100m Relay team for Rio is looking very strong and if everyone remains healthy we should be able to at least hold off Great Britain to secure bronze. If our ladies all get faster as we approach Rio we may even be able to challenge JA and the USA for the silver or gold medal.

http://www.ttnaaa.org/results/2016/naaa_open/

Event 5  Women 100 Meter Dash
===============================================================================
          NR: # 10.84  6/27/2015   Kelly Ann Baptiste                         
          CR: $ 10.84  2015        Kelly Ann Baptiste                         
                11.32  OG Olympic Std                                         
    Name              Year Team                    Finals        Wind H# Points

===============================================================================
Finals                                                                         
  1 Ahye, Michelle-Lee  92 Rebirth                  11.00 OG      1.0  2       
  2 Hackett, Semoy      88 Zenith                   11.07 OG      1.0  2       
  3 Baptiste, Kelly-An  86 Zenith                   11.07 OG      1.0  2       
  4 ST Fort, Khalifa    98 Unattached               11.16 OG      1.0  2
       
  5 Selvon, Kai         92 Air Bon Sonics           11.38         1.0  2       
  6 Thomas, Reyare      87 Abilene                  11.39         1.0  2
       
  7 Durant, Kamaria     91 Simplex                  11.50         1.0  2       
  8 Spinks, Jenea       00 Concorde                 11.65         1.0  2                                   

I believe our top 6 in the 100m final (higlighted in red) will be our Women's 4x100m Relay squad in Rio.
We have 4 women with the Olympic standard in our Women's 4x100m relay squad and two not far off from the 10.32 Olympic standard so it will be interesting who gets picked to run in the 4x100m heats in Rio and who gets to run in the final.

I think under Ato's guidance they should do well and will be serious medal contenders barring any injuries.

At the present moment I would line up our Women's 4x100m Relay team in this order in the Olympic Final in Rio and I believe if their baton exchanges come off smoothly and efficiently they can even press USA and JA for a medal better than bronze in the final and keep Great Britain at bay:-

Baptiste to Ahye to Hackett to St Fort (in Women's 4x100m Final)

In 4x100m Heats/Semis depending on how many of our top three make the Olympic 100m Final and may need to be rested, I would run this team in this order:-

Selvon to Hackett to Thomas to St Fort 
or
St Fort to Selvon to Thomas to Hackett

Both above possible lines up for 4x100m Heats in Rio assume that both KAB and MLA make the 100m Final in Rio and may need to be rested but without them we should still have the leg speed to win our 4x100m heat and secure a good lane for the final.

Come the 4x100m Final if we can stay in touch with the USA and Jamaica till the 3rd baton exchange then I see no reason why St Fort can't anchor team TTO to at least a bronze medal in the Women's 4x100m relay final in Rio and hold off the other strong teams like Britain, Ukraine, Nigeria, Holland, etc.

Good luck to team TTO in Rio and praying that everyone who makes our team stays healthy.  :beermug:
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 08:36:41 AM by Socapro »
De higher a monkey climbs is de less his ass is on de line, if he works for FIFA that is! ;-)

 

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