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Re: Thread for the T&T vs USA Game (6-Sept-2016)
« Reply #480 on: September 11, 2016, 04:16:32 AM »
A 4 nil beating belongs to the Andoras of this football world,not a team with aspirations of Russia 2018,very serious questions must asked of the coach and players,are they really good enough.If they could be so easily mauled by the USA,who IMO is never a big scoring team,then what are we to think.As a supporter you must worry about our chances,worrying about our chances is one thing,but just look at the game,you cannot see anything good about their game,we were also bad against Guatemala,but very lucky.
Someone on this site mentioned changing the coach,that shouldn't be out of the question.

In the Hex for 2006 World Cup Qualification, Guatemala soundly defeated Trinidad and Tobago 5-1. Guess who went to the 2006 World Cup and guess who didn't.
If TT had kept that same coach that was soundly defeated by Guatemala 5-1 guess who would not have gone to the 2006 WC.

Or you could say if that coach didn't get us to de Hex, we woulda never hear about Beenhakker. When Beenhakker took over, he won one game and then lost the next two. The whole point is that getting beat 4-0 by the USA, while disappointing, is not a great predictor of whether or not we will qualify for the World Cup. USA beat Costa Rica 4-0 at Copa America. Does dat mean CR doh have a good chance of getting to the World Cup?

The game is not mathematics. In football, two plus two very rarely equals four - it's usually three or five and sometimes zero.
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Or you could say that both S Heart and B St Clair were lucky to get the weakest groups in the semifinal rounds in which they both struggled to get to the Hex not to encouraging ,losing 4-0 in a friendly is not important but losing 4-0 to your nemesis B or C team with your team near full strength in a WC game is damming there is no way S Heart should have a job after that game.
No way he should have his job after loosing ah pretty much inconsequential game after fulfilling d main objective? Jealousy and spite is hell of ah ting oui, typical crab......is how much time u fail to qualify d women in concacaf again?



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Re: Thread for the T&T vs USA Game (6-Sept-2016)
« Reply #481 on: September 11, 2016, 09:19:42 AM »
Man deserves a one way ticket BACK to Guyana.... :devil:

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs USA Game (6-Sept-2016)
« Reply #482 on: September 11, 2016, 07:22:53 PM »
What dotishness I reading here. We had a bad half we learnt what not to do, we had the luxury to do so, we move on.

Seeing all kinda man with axe to grind coming out the woodwork. Men spewing all kind of un resurched vitriol  (allyuh ever read the comments on the ttfa Facebook page) now it reach here too. Gone from here with yuh unproductive negativity bring something constructive to the table. :pissedoff:

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs USA Game (6-Sept-2016)
« Reply #483 on: September 11, 2016, 08:22:35 PM »
have we ever started the hex well.....because we have to start this one on good footing or we may find ourselves in trouble.....especially since we lost some steam in these last two games, hopefully we ketch back some form for CFU....how much off d first team would be available for dat
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Re: Thread for the T&T vs USA Game (6-Sept-2016)
« Reply #484 on: September 11, 2016, 09:13:09 PM »
have we ever started the hex well.....because we have to start this one on good footing or we may find ourselves in trouble.....especially since we lost some steam in these last two games, hopefully we ketch back some form for CFU....how much off d first team would be available for dat
you have time to waste with such comments? and if that's jamal shabbaz incognito then he's quite a jealous malicious bloke especially when he was torn to pieces by estonia of all countries and edged out by cuba for the caribbean cup title.

i for one am truly happy that we received that blow out by uncle samuel's boyz, i think the lads were getting a bit ahead of themselves and this aught to keep them focused on the task ahead. as for jamal shabbaz, according to my indian grand mother he was beaten like a cobra in the last semis and failed to win one single game yet he's back coaching guyana. mate i think you should take your own advice before render it to others.

as for coach hart i have on gripe with his tactics vs the united states and that is not playing greg ranjitsingh in goal. we already saw what marvin and funcet is made of now is time to see if this feller could excel at an international level, and i think he can. football is that peculiar, sometimes winning could be as simple as who you have in goal.

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs USA Game (6-Sept-2016)
« Reply #485 on: September 12, 2016, 03:37:35 AM »
have we ever started the hex well.....because we have to start this one on good footing or we may find ourselves in trouble.....especially since we lost some steam in these last two games, hopefully we ketch back some form for CFU....how much off d first team would be available for dat
you have time to waste with such comments? and if that's jamal shabbaz incognito then he's quite a jealous malicious bloke especially when he was torn to pieces by estonia of all countries and edged out by cuba for the caribbean cup title.

i for one am truly happy that we received that blow out by uncle samuel's boyz, i think the lads were getting a bit ahead of themselves and this aught to keep them focused on the task ahead. as for jamal shabbaz, according to my indian grand mother he was beaten like a cobra in the last semis and failed to win one single game yet he's back coaching guyana. mate i think you should take your own advice before render it to others.

as for coach hart i have on gripe with his tactics vs the united states and that is not playing greg ranjitsingh in goal. we already saw what marvin and funcet is made of now is time to see if this feller could excel at an international level, and i think he can. football is that peculiar, sometimes winning could be as simple as who you have in goal.
Kinda make dat comment in d wrong thread. But doh we ever started d hex flying

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs USA Game (6-Sept-2016)
« Reply #486 on: September 17, 2016, 09:11:16 AM »
Pulisic making Darmstadt defense look far worse than ours....

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Tactical Analysis: USA 4-0 Trinidad and Tobago
« Reply #487 on: October 01, 2016, 11:06:39 AM »
Tactical Analysis: USA 4-0 Trinidad and Tobago
By Brian Smith (thefalse9.com
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The US Menís National Soccer team closed out the opening round of World Cup 2018 qualifying with a comprehensive and emphatic 4-0 victory of Trinidad & Tobago.  The visitors at times enjoyed a few extended spells of possession, but were unable to breakdown the USí fairly compact defensive block.  With their place in the Hexagonal already confirmed, T&T looked content to defend and counter attack applying little pressure as the US rolled to a win.

The US lined up in a 4-4-2 with a diamond in the midfield.  With DeAndre Yedlin missing due to accumulation, Jurgen Klinsmann opted to slide Geoff Cameron from his Center back position to Right Back.  Steve Birnbaum and Omar Gonzales got the opportunity at Center back with Fabian Johnson at Left back. Michael Bradley made up the bottom of the midfield diamond with Alejandro Bedoya to the right.  After a strong performance as a substitute against St. Vincents and the Grenadines, Sasha Kljestan started as the Attacking midfielder, and 17 year old Christian Pulisic made his first international start at left wing.  Up top, Jozy Altidore was paired with Bobby Wood.

T&Tís Defensive Shape

Trinidad and Tobago often dropped into a situational back 5 in an attempt to provide more security in their defensive lines.  The extra man in defense came at the expense of the midfield as a wide midfielder was typically the one to drop to provide support leaving just a 3 man midfield sitting in front of the defense. The reduced midfield often struggled to contain the US ball carriers.  The midfield in particular was unable to pressure the US allowing, Sasha Kljestan time to pick out passes and Pulisic space to skip past defenders.

Aside from their inability to press the US in possession T&T were noticeably not compact vertically.  The midfield 3 were fairly tight horizontally, but frequently left space between the lines of the midfield and defense. Jozy Altidore was able to drop into the gaps giving the US numerical advantage in the middle of the field and overloads in the wide areas.  The unstable defensive block wasnít compact enough to effectively deal with the fast interplay between Kljestan, Pulisic, and Altidore as well as Fabian Johnson when he got forward.  The issues with T&Tís stretched defense were evident in the second half when Altidore was able to create opportunities for himself from between the lines and Pulisic was able to get numerous low crosses between the keeper and the defense.  Despite T&Tís defensive issues they were able to generate a few opportunities for themselves, and narrowly missed a few chances to counter.

Change of Approach for the US Defensively

Throughout most of the match the US was able to maintain a fairly stable defensive block.  However there were occasions where they suffered compactness issues similar to the ones weíve seen from T&T. The US showed early signs of a shift in defensive strategy from man-marking to zonal marking.  In recent years, the US has played a reactive man-marking defensive scheme that resulted in the opposition dictating the flow of a match.  They have been relatively easy to pull out of their shape particularly by teams with a qualitative advantage.  This has resulted in the team shape being stretched both vertically and horizontally opening up passing lanes and allowing the opposition to play between the lines.  By switching to zonal marking,defensive players remained in their shape and only marked closely on men that entered into their immediate zones.  As a result the US was able to stay relatively compact and cohesive.  There were a few instances where the shape and compactness broke down but the team was fortunate that T&T either didnít recognize the gaps or were unable to exploit them.

The USí Transition to Attack

In addition to controlling the space defensively, the compact defensive block meant that the US was able to transition to attack quicker when they won the ball back, as players fairly had a decent idea where their teammates were due to the stable team shape.  In transition to attack, the US took two approaches with one being more effective than the other.

1. When Michael Bradley won the ball in the 6 position he frequently looked to play long, penetrating vertical passes into the forwards or wide midfielders. These risky passes often resulted in giveaways and T&T counters, particularly in the first half.  The quick vertical passes were often played in the air to US players who had no immediate support from nearby teammates.  On multiple occasions Bradley played aerial balls into Wood, Altidore, and Bedoya causing them to have to adjust their movement and wait for the flighted ball to arrive.  The nature of these passes allowed T&T defenders ample time to cover the receiving player from the US.

The risky nature of these aerial vertical passes meant T&T was able to win the second balls and launch counter attacks in the gaps left by the team shape in midfield.  Fortunately for the US they werenít able to create serious chances off of these turnovers.  However, similar mistakes against a team with more creative attacking players will likely be punished.

2. The second avenue the US took in transition to attack was through diagonal outlet passes in wide areas, specifically on the left wing through Christian Pulisic. Pulisicís technical ability in controlling the ball in tight spaces as well as his ability to beat the right full back meant that the US was able to extend transitional attacks that in games past would have resulted in a backwards pass to maintain possession.  Pulisicís personal attributes allowed the US to penetrate deeper and get more players involved in the attack.

The USí Offensive Shape and Buildup play

When counters failed, the US was able to maintain possession by circulating the ball through midfield.  This offensive phase of the USís game is an area that still needs work, and could benefit from more structural stability.  US attacking players often have the freedom to ďExpress themselvesĒ offensively, but the result at times has been a disconnected midfield and players occupying neutral spaces. In the first half there were times where this positional freedom saw multiple attacking players within T&Tís defensive line, but midfield support sitting 20-30 yards behind.  This large gap in the middle of the shape forced the US to circulate the ball in a passive U shape. The second half featured better offensive shape from the US and all 3 second half goals were a result.  Kljestan didnít push as deep into the forward line occupying the gap that was present in the first half.  In situations where Kljestan did push forward Jozy Altidore dropped into the midfield.  This staggered shape opened more aggressive passing lanes and allowed the US to penetrate.

The US was relatively passive in the initial buildup stages of possession.  Steve Birnbaum and Omar Gonzales were afforded plenty of time and space to advance the ball from the back as T&T offered no pressure.  The only pressure T&T applied on the back 4 was when the ball moved to one of the full backs in an attempt to force the us to play through the more congested middle.  The US favored the right flank one the initial T&T pressure was broken.  As T&T slid their defensive block into the wing the US would switch the play to the left through Pulisic and the numerical advantages he created with Wood, Johnson, and Altidore.

Overall the US continued the tactical improvements we saw during this summerís Copa America with a well-deserved win.  With a date with Mexico on the horizon to open the Hexagonal round of World Cup Qualifying the US will need to be sure to tighten up the transitional passes that left them vulnerable against Trinidad and Tobago
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Re: Thread for the T&T vs USA Game (6-Sept-2016)
« Reply #488 on: January 29, 2017, 04:32:32 PM »
US playing Serbia in a friendly in San Diego. 0-0. Jermaine Jones back. Also has Darlington Nagbe.

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Re: Thread for the T&T vs USA Game (6-Sept-2016)
« Reply #489 on: June 02, 2017, 11:11:53 PM »
I coulda swear a link for this full match was in here somewhere!?!

 

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