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Re: Michel Poon-Angeron Thread
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2020, 10:44:17 PM »

Thanks Flex, great breakdown
Where'd you get this info from?
And these numbers (or ratings), are they rated out of 10 or 20?
I'm trying to work out how he's being rated against his peers.

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Re: Michel Poon-Angeron Thread
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2020, 11:07:16 PM »
Did i see 30 Euros/week ?

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Re: Michel Poon-Angeron Thread
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2020, 01:15:01 AM »
Did i see 30 Euros/week ?

I will respond as follows in the absence of speaking to the player's specific reality.

Anyone vaguely familiar with contemporary world economics news would attest to the Argentine economy as having experienced significant volatility in the foreign currency and exchange  market. The underground market ("black") for the $/peso exchange has had very vigorous to robust moments,  particularly tied to political winds and  mismanagement of the economy and no doubt internal meddling from outside ... but not exclusively those.

It's an economy with distortions and football has been far from immune to them. 

Typically only the daftest person would have considered a formal exchange rate when the informal market offered a ridiculously favorable premium on-the $.

Some name brand players have been known to refuse to be paid in pesos.

Where am I going with this?

In July 2018 there was a collective bargaining agreement that guaranteed players aged 16 to 18, who were playing in the top five domestic divisions, minimum salaries ranging from 13,200 pesos (bottom league ) to 21,000 pesos (top pro league). At that time the $ to peso exchange rate was about $1:27 pesos. Today on the official market, not even two years later,  it's about 1:62 or 1:63 or thereabout. That would put a dent on anyone's purchasing habits without cost of living adjustments.

Previous bargaining agreements have been valid for three year periods but given the economic absurdities that characterize that economy you can guess what the problem is if the cost of living rises, consumer purchasing power is decreased etc. within that three year  period.

So yearly modifications are what happens now.  In the current year,  even with modifications, minimums can't sustain basic monthly purchases (the minimum salary is below that sustainable to level with the consumer price index).  For players over 18 in 2018 and playing in the top flight,  the minimum was 25,000 pesos (1:27). This year these players were guaranteed 34,500 pesos. There was a corresponding 35% increase for the 16-18s. Do the math (35% of 13,200 to 21,000).

However,  in the context of players that are being housed and fed by teams ... those in the youth categories ... they are like kids in your house: you feed them and shelter them and it counts for value. Why "pay" them?

This market is about betting on the future while learning to play at a very good level. Although the level has suffered a bit it is still second to one.
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Re: Michel Poon-Angeron Thread
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2020, 08:08:21 AM »
So Yes, plus Room and Board ?

Maybe he didnít need to go St Maryís.  :devil:
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Re: Michel Poon-Angeron Thread
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2020, 09:21:14 AM »
He's over 18. At the clubs once you are 18, typically you have to move out ... but there are other communal arrangements that are put in place depending on the particular situation of each player.  Some players are from the provinces (far) ... so they have to find shared spots. Others might have immediate family with them. Some players get money from sponsorship and not the club.  Ah doh know how Banfield is set up.

120 euros a month is about 9000 pesos. That is way off the chart based on the figures I mentioned.
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Re: Michel Poon-Angeron Thread
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2020, 11:06:22 AM »
The screenshot is from Football Manager's Database - some of the basic research was done by me, so the only attributes that are consistent there are Acceleration and Pace, Vision, Passing and finishing - can't remember which of that lot was done by me vs. the Banfield researcher.

The Banfield researcher will have it updated most likely for the game's next post-transfer window patch, so you may get a more accurate assessment then. I rated him highly for potential, if you wondered - I believed he had enough about him to aspire to Championship level or maybe even Premier League in England. There's a strong change he's good enough for Banfield's first team in the future, and in a year or two he should be in the NT.