Thread for Mexico vs T&T (02-Oct-2019)

[Tallman]

As usual, any updates/scores, shout-outs, reports, predictions, views, etc, on the T&T vs Mexico game on the 2nd of October 2019 at the Toluca Estadio Nemesio Diez Stadium will be posted here, this way, we can maintain the message board and not make it look too scrappy with un-necessary or related headlines and postings on game day.

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Possible TV Station.

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Trinidad & Tobago Squad

Goalkeepers

1.Marvin Phillip (Neroca FC—India), 21.Glenroy Samuel (La Horquetta Rangers), 22.Adrian Foncette (Police FC).

Defenders

3.Isaiah Garcia (W Connection), 2.Nicoholas Thomas (Club Sando), 18.Josiah Trimmingham (Club Sando), 5.Daneil Cyrus (Mohun Bagan AC—India), 6.Curtis Gonzales (Defence Force), 12.Carlyle Mitchell (San Juan Jabloteh), 17.Ross Russell Jr (La Horquetta Rangers).

Midfielders

14.Dwane James (Cunupia FC), 8.Aaron Lester (Defence Force), 19.Duane Muckette (Memphis 901 FC—US), 23.Leston Paul (Memphis 901 FC—US), 13.Aikim Andrews (La Horquetta Rangers), 10.Judah Garcia (Point Fortin Civic), 16.Adriel Kerr (Police FC), 7.Nathan Lewis (Langing Ignite—US), 19.Christian Thomas (Police FC).

Forwards

9.Nion Lammy (Club Sando), 15.Jameel Perry (Police FC).

Coach - Dennis Lawrence (TRI).

Mexico Squad

Goalkeepers

Raul Gudiño (Chivas), Sebastian Jurado (Veracruz), Jose Hernandez (Atlas).

Defenders

Alan Mozo (Pumas), Adrian Mora (Toluca), Ismael Govea (Atlas), Gerardo Arteaga (Santos), Vladimir Loroña (Tijuana), Jesus Angulo (Atlas), Cristian Calderon (Necaxa), Johan Vasquez (Monterrey), Luis Romo (Queretaro).

Midfielders

Jonathan Gonzalez (Monterrey), Erick Aguirre (Pachuca) , Sebastian Cordova (America), Francisco Venegas (Tigres), Joaquin Esquivel (FC Juarez), Jesus Ricardo Angulo (Necaxa), Ian Jairo Torres (Atlas), Adrian Lozano (Santos), Ivan Rodriguez (Leon).

Forwards

Jose Juan Macias (Leon), Paolo Yrizar (Queretaro), Jesus Godinez (Leon).

Coach - Gerardo "Tata" Martino

Updates to follow as we get more info, so keep checking back.

[asylumseeker]

So we take a local-based squad ... but we don't incorporate these players on official match dates ... not even when they are 23 years old! We play them when it doesn't matter but not when it does.

[Flex]

Mexico set for non-FIFA date friendly against Trinidad and Tobago in Toluca
By Jon Arnold (goal.com)

Mexico's Concacaf Nations League preparations are coming together.

El Tri will face Trinidad and Tobago in an Oct. 2 friendly match at Toluca's Estadio Nemesio Diez, the FMF announced Wednesday.

The game is part of a doubleheader, with home team Toluca hosting Veracruz in a Copa MX game before the national team contest kicks off at 9:06 p.m.

With the match falling outside the FIFA dates, this game is the latest hint that manager Tata Martino will utilize the Nations League as a sandbox for young players yet to break into the top Mexico team. In August, he convened a mini-camp with players like U-20 World Cup veteran Jose Juan Macias and Veracruz goalkeeper Sebastian Jurado.

The Nations League will be used as qualification for the Gold Cup, but Mexico need only to finish above either group rival to lock up its place in the marquee Concacaf tournament, which it won this summer. El Tri's Nations League campaign kicks off in Bermuda before they return home to take on Panama. In the November window, they do the reverse, visiting Panama before hosting Bermuda.

The winner of the group, in addition to qualifying for the Gold Cup, moves into a four-team tournament set for June to determine the champion of the inaugural Nations League.

Mexico friendly games actually taking place in Mexico are somewhat rare thanks to a partnership with Soccer United Marketing to play a certain number of games in the United States each year. This will be the first friendly to take place in Mexico in 2019, with a pair of games in October 2018 the last time El Tri was in action in its home country.

The last time the national team played in Toluca was an October 13, 2015 friendly match against Panama, days after El Tri topped the U.S. in the Concacaf Cup.

So far this year, Mexico is undefeated, with Martino yet to oversee a loss since taking over the team in January. That record will be on the line in the September window, with a nearly full-strength squad called by Martino to take on the United States on Friday and Argentina on Sept. 10.

[asylumseeker]

Mexico set for non-FIFA date friendly against Trinidad and Tobago in Toluca
By Jon Arnold (goal.com)

Mexico's Concacaf Nations League preparations are coming together.

El Tri will face Trinidad and Tobago in an Oct. 2 friendly match at Toluca's Estadio Nemesio Diez, the FMF announced Wednesday.

The game is part of a doubleheader, with home team Toluca hosting Veracruz in a Copa MX game before the national team contest kicks off at 9:06 p.m.

With the match falling outside the FIFA dates, this game is the latest hint that manager Tata Martino will utilize the Nations League as a sandbox for young players yet to break into the top Mexico team. In August, he convened a mini-camp with players like U-20 World Cup veteran Jose Juan Macias and Veracruz goalkeeper Sebastian Jurado.

The Nations League will be used as qualification for the Gold Cup, but Mexico need only to finish above either group rival to lock up its place in the marquee Concacaf tournament, which it won this summer. El Tri's Nations League campaign kicks off in Bermuda before they return home to take on Panama. In the November window, they do the reverse, visiting Panama before hosting Bermuda.

The winner of the group, in addition to qualifying for the Gold Cup, moves into a four-team tournament set for June to determine the champion of the inaugural Nations League.

Mexico friendly games actually taking place in Mexico are somewhat rare thanks to a partnership with Soccer United Marketing to play a certain number of games in the United States each year. This will be the first friendly to take place in Mexico in 2019, with a pair of games in October 2018 the last time El Tri was in action in its home country.

The last time the national team played in Toluca was an October 13, 2015 friendly match against Panama, days after El Tri topped the U.S. in the Concacaf Cup.

So far this year, Mexico is undefeated, with Martino yet to oversee a loss since taking over the team in January. That record will be on the line in the September window, with a nearly full-strength squad called by Martino to take on the United States on Friday and Argentina on Sept. 10.

Boom!!! Same thing ah saying.

And just to expand on this, by way of similar example ... Fabián Coito, one of the most experienced junior NT coaches around, roped in Enrique Facusse from the University of Kentucky (GK) into Honduras' U-23s with a view to senior team progress/selection and it should be said that Coito comes from a tradition in which he has been immersed in cantera players, not college players.

As far as MEX being at home for the first time in a while, is that they made a treasure trove of $$$ from their foreign engagements that could be immersed in to sustaining programs for a notable period. What pray tell did the TTFA get?

[asylumseeker]

Tata's squad is going to be young. That being the case, it would be unfortunate, and perhaps unwise, if Trinidad and Tobago travels to Mexico with significantly older players. I'm being diplomatic.

The grandfather of the squad in training is 24 and he may not be in the mix in 16 days. Just saying ...

[Anbrat]

So we take a local-based squad ... but we don't incorporate these players on official match dates ... not even when they are 23 years old! We play them when it doesn't matter but not when it does.

Why should we play them when it does matter given that they under perform when it doesn't matter? 

[asylumseeker]

So we take a local-based squad ... but we don't incorporate these players on official match dates ... not even when they are 23 years old! We play them when it doesn't matter but not when it does.

Why should we play them when it does matter given that they under perform when it doesn't matter? 

Good question.

I've advocated that specific younger players be included when it does matter.  (1) In the case of those players I don't believe that qualitative or quantitative assessment of their individual performances reflects underperformance.

(2) The average age of the Mexico NT is about the same as our senior team (we are marginally older) and if we drill down to cast precise light, we'll find that whereas Mexico's most recent squad features 8 players age 23 or younger, we have only 4 players of that age and Mexico's goalkeeper cohort is older than ours (notable because GKs are not excluded from the average squad age).

(3) In terms of player succession planning, contingency planning (what Tata is using this friendly for), gathering experience under the relevant conditions in consequential matches, we are lagging ... in fact being lapped.

We play fewer matches on our international calendar than Mexico (through our own fault). We have no operational U22/23 programme, no reserve domestic league, no opportunity for the collective expression of this age group together and no proper progression or pathway into the MNT. We are stifling the talent that exists where underperformance is assessed on tactical nous, tactical discipline and player psychology. Where do we propose they get it at international level of they don't play? Our player export model is poor and it's not exclusively because there are not players who are export calibre.

I distinguish this opportunity versus El Tri from say ... Hart's tour to Peru, Uruguay and China or from going to SVG or Grenada on non-FIFA dates.

Sure, we could trek to Toluca with a known commodity of an older collective, but what would be the intrinsic value and benefit of that?

I'll stop there. Last night a 21 year old player resolved the Chivas-Atlas clásico and that player is not even included among the players Tata has in training today ... because he has granted that player incremental experience since the player's debut this year (5 or 6 matches over 6 months).

To be fair to DL, he is hunting in the right neck of the bush but it has taken him two years to move from taking to Ecuador an old player from the Super League (Keron Clarke at 31) to rhetoric about player quality without having materially changed the composition of the NT.

We don't get there by calling players in this category once and then onto the next unique appearance.

[Anbrat]

"We don't get there by calling players in this category once and then onto the next unique appearance."

Agreed!

[Rastaman]

Well said asylumseeker 

[Tallman]

Mexico selects young squad for Trinidad and Tobago friendly
fmfstateofmind.com

Mexico released their callup for their October 2 match against Trinidad and Tobago in Toluca. Gerardo Martino has decided to give continuity to the young players he has been working with in training camps and made a list of players in which all but three are eligible for the U-23 team that will represent Mexico in the CONCACAF Olympic qualifiers to be held in Guadalajara next year.

The friendly is going be played in preparation for the CONCACAF Nations League, meaning Mexico will play the tournament with this mostly U-22 squad and use it as preparation for the Olympic qualifiers. This might be a risky thing, especially against a stronger experienced team like Panama if Mexico plans to make it to the Final to be held in June.

The squad is as follows:

Goalkeepers: Raul Gudiño (Chivas), Sebastian Jurado (Veracruz), Jose Hernandez (Atlas)

Defenders: Alan Mozo (Pumas), Adrian Mora (Toluca), Ismael Govea (Atlas), Gerardo Arteaga (Santos), Vladimir Loroña (Tijuana), Jesus Angulo (Atlas), Cristian Calderon (Necaxa), Johan Vasquez (Monterrey), Luis Romo (Queretaro)

Midfielders: Jonathan Gonzalez (Monterrey), Erick Aguirre (Pachuca) , Sebastian Cordova (America), Francisco Venegas (Tigres), Joaquin Esquivel (FC Juarez), Jesus Ricardo Angulo (Necaxa), Ian Jairo Torres (Atlas), Adrian Lozano (Santos), Ivan Rodriguez (Leon)

Forwards: Jose Juan Macias (Leon), Paolo Yrizar (Queretaro), Jesus Godinez (Leon)

As a single friendly, the list is a clear indication that Gerardo Martino is working with the youth. That said, it’s still unclear what this means for the U-23 team, and if Jaime Lozano will be working with Martino and and how much Martino will have to do with his team. If this is the team that plays the Nations League (which all signs point to) this would also mean that Lozano will have to be working with Martino, as he would not be able to work with the U-23 team during the October FIFA break.

The biggest question is if this is the start of working towards the U-23 team, were are the U-23 eligible players that play with the senior team. While it’s understandable why Euro-based players like Edson Alvarez and Diego Lainez might not be called in (as well as LA Galaxy’s Uriel Antuna), the fact that Carlos Rodriguez, Alexis Vega and Roberto Alvarado (all Liga MX-based) weren’t called up makes some wonder when are they going to be integrated into the team. The bigger question might be if they are even going to be part of this team or are they not going to be taken into account. If so, why?

[Sando prince]

Expect more of the same tactics from DL and why not? he has very good job security from his boss DJW

[Trini _2026]

Is this  game going to be played

[Tallman]

Is this  game going to be played

Yes. The team left yesterday.

[Trini _2026]

squad list ?

[Tallman]

squad list ?

Nothing official has been published as yet, but the roster includes players like Marvin Phillip, Adrian Foncette, Carlyle Mitchell, Curtis Gonzales, Dwane James, Ross Russell Jr., and Judah Garcia.

[Bianconeri]

Game is tomorrow tho....

no squad list available???
Fuentes in the mix still?

[Tallman]

Trinidad and Tobago take on Mexico tomorrow night in Toluca
TTFA Media

Trinidad and Tobago’s Senior Men’s team arrived in Toluca on Monday evening ahead of Wednesday’s international friendly with Mexico which will be played at the Estadio Nemesio Diez at 10:06pm TT time (9:06 pm Mexican time).

Head Coach Dennis Lawrence and the majority of players arrived in Toluca on Monday with some arriving later in the night and defender Daneil Cyrus scheduled to come in later on Tuesday night.

Lawrence has included several home-based players along with the selection of US-based players Leston Paul, Duane Muckette and Nathan Lewis with Cyrus and goalkeeper Marvin Phillip, both based in India.

Both countries are preparing for upcoming CONCACAF Nations League matches with T&T facing Honduras a the Hasely Crawford Stadium on October 10th and Venezuela in a friendly in Caracas four days later and Mexico taking on Bermuda and Panama.

The base of Mexico’s roster selected by head coach Tata Martino are up-and-comers from Liga MX with other current senior team players being Chivas goalkeeper Raul Gudino, Santos Laguna left back Gerardo Arteaga, Atlas defender Jesus Angulo, Pachuca midfielder Erick Aguirre and Monterrey midfielder Jonathan Gonzales.

Trinidad and Tobago Squad

Goalkeepers:
Marvin Phillip (Neroca FC / India), Adrian Foncette (Police FC / T&T), Glenroy Samuel (La Horquetta Rangers / T&T)

Defenders:
Daneil Cyrus (Mohun Bagan AC / India), Carlyle Mitchell (La Horquetta Rangers / T&T), Curtis Gonzales (Defence Force / T&T), Dwane James (Cunupia FC / T&T), Josiah Trimmingham (Club Sando / T&T), Ross Russell Jr. (La Horquetta Rangers / T&T), Isaiah Garcia (W Connection / T&T)

Midfielders:
Leston Paul (Memphis 901 FC / USA), Nathan Lewis (Lansing Ignite FC / USA), Duane Muckette (Memphis 901 FC / USA), Judah Garcia (Point Fortin Civic Centre / T&T), Aikim Andrews (La Horquetta Rangers / T&T), Nicholas Thomas (Club Sando / T&T), Aaron Lester (Defence Force / T&T), Adriel Kerr (Police FC / T&T), Christian Thomas (Police FC / T&T)

Forwards:
Jameel Perry (Police FC / T&T), Nion Lammy (Club Sando / T&T)

Technical Staff
Head Coach: Dennis Lawrence
Assistant Coach: Stuart Charles-Fevrier
Assistant Coach: Stern John
Goalkeeper Coach: Ross Russell
Doctor: Akash Dhanai
Medic/Trainer: Dexter Thomas
Massage Therapist: Sion Cain
Equipment Manager: Michael Williams
Logistics Manager: Wayne Cunningham
Team Manager: Richard Piper

[asylumseeker]

I was going to go to this match, but I decided not to go. On balance, that choice appears to be the correct decision.

Jabloteh's 2018 U13s and Police FC's 2017 U13s had the privilege of touring the stadium in which the match will be played. Any of those young players should be particularly excited to see our colours represented on that field tomorrow night, knowing that they were right there themselves.

[asylumseeker]

Clearly if football playing on the moon or Mars, yuh HADDA call Cyrus.

[Tallman]

Clearly if football playing on the moon or Mars, yuh HADDA call Cyrus.

Also, Nathan Lewis could officially retire from football and he would still get call up. By my estimation, he hasn't played club ball in almost 6 months.

[asylumseeker]

TTFA have real $ pesos to waste. Three GKs for a one-off match and one of the GKs yuh fly from India. Or is there another match scheduled between this one and Venezuela? And presumptively he's the starter. If not, why is he included? Perhaps there's something else afoot.

[Trini _2026]

Glenroy Samuel is he first choice at rangers ?

[Tallman]

TTFA have real $ pesos to waste. Three GKs for a one-off match and one of the GKs yuh fly from India. Or is there another match scheduled between this one and Venezuela? And presumptively he's the starter. If not, why is he included? Perhaps there's something else afoot.

I don't think Marvin has actually gone to India as yet.

[Tallman]

Glenroy Samuel is he first choice at rangers ?

Not sure. Jabari St. Hilaire seems to have started more games in the Ascension Tournament.

[asylumseeker]

TTFA have real $ pesos to waste. Three GKs for a one-off match and one of the GKs yuh fly from India. Or is there another match scheduled between this one and Venezuela? And presumptively he's the starter. If not, why is he included? Perhaps there's something else afoot.

I don't think Marvin has actually gone to India as yet.

That would be it.

[Sam]

No room for Noah Powder boy?

Come on Lawrence.

[Tallman]

No room for Noah Powder boy?

Come on Lawrence.

You can give DL a pass this time, because Powder and Real Monarchs are playing today and are in prime contention for a playoff spot.

[Trini _2026]

what our players have with india ?now we goalie so if he keep a clean sheet in the I league he good to go   ......

[andre samuel]

what our players have with india ?now we goalie so if he keep a clean sheet in the I league he good to go   ......

Marvin Phillip is the last player you should be casting any blame on in the TT squad.  He has easily been one of our best and consistent performers for the past 5-7 games. 

[Trini _2026]

Tallman what ever happen to gomez ?