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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2019, 04:15:01 PM »
2-0 nil
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2019, 04:18:25 PM »
2-0 nil

pull stones, dah one was just for you. :rotfl:
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« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2019, 04:21:59 PM »
2 nil down  20th min
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« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2019, 04:22:25 PM »
i am not seeing fortune ..
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2019, 04:34:12 PM »
He's on the bench.

Foncette in goal.
CBs David and Bateau
LB and RB Julien and Alvin Jones
Garcia and Andrews on the left and right flanks with George and Hackshaw in the centre of the park.

On top, Guerra and Marcus Joseph.
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2019, 04:41:42 PM »
There was an opportunity for the striker stayin high to blindside d vene with d ball and he never move....ball pest was taking dat ball....d aggression in dis team misplaced...no proactive movement whatsoever
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2019, 04:43:17 PM »
There was an opportunity for the striker stayin high to blindside d vene with d ball and he never move....ball pest was taking dat ball....d aggression in dis team misplaced...no proactive movement whatsoever

False space. The ball should have gone to the right flank for Jones to develop the next phase of play.
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2019, 04:45:43 PM »
This match is an academic exercise. Doh hurt yuh head. The solutions are beyond the technical staff.
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« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2019, 04:48:18 PM »
There was an opportunity for the striker stayin high to blindside d vene with d ball and he never move....ball pest was taking dat ball....d aggression in dis team misplaced...no proactive movement whatsoever

False space. The ball should have gone to the right flank for Jones to develop the next phase of play.
Was referring to an off d ball moment  in midfield
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« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2019, 04:50:45 PM »
There was an opportunity for the striker stayin high to blindside d vene with d ball and he never move....ball pest was taking dat ball....d aggression in dis team misplaced...no proactive movement whatsoever

False space. The ball should have gone to the right flank for Jones to develop the next phase of play.
Was referring to an off d ball moment  in midfield

I understood that.
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2019, 04:51:57 PM »
This match is an academic exercise. Doh hurt yuh head. The solutions are beyond the technical staff.
d day trinidad football stop hurting my head, allyuh not goin and hear from me, cause i goh be in a hole somewhere with dirt in it
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2019, 04:53:11 PM »
There was an opportunity for the striker stayin high to blindside d vene with d ball and he never move....ball pest was taking dat ball....d aggression in dis team misplaced...no proactive movement whatsoever

False space. The ball should have gone to the right flank for Jones to develop the next phase of play.
Was referring to an off d ball moment  in midfield

I understood that.
ok ok cool
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2019, 04:55:26 PM »
This match is an academic exercise. Doh hurt yuh head. The solutions are beyond the technical staff.
d day trinidad football stop hurting my head, allyuh not goin and hear from me, cause in hole somewhere with dirt in it

Well, yuh in for ah headache of some dimension tonight.  #14 is upon us.
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« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2019, 04:57:00 PM »
Sigh
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2019, 05:11:59 PM »
There was an opportunity for the striker stayin high to blindside d vene with d ball and he never move....ball pest was taking dat ball....d aggression in dis team misplaced...no proactive movement whatsoever

False space. The ball should have gone to the right flank for Jones to develop the next phase of play.
Was referring to an off d ball moment  in midfield

I understood that.
ok ok cool

I saw what you saw. But everything was too slow and plodding and not purpose-filled. The key decision-maker is the player with the ball. The window of opportunity was there briefly (for ball movement and player movement) but there wasn't a commitment to play forward ... and then the other issue was that VEN quickly returned to numerical advantage during the plodding.

The one ball to negate that without resetting play and further impacting the loss of attacking momentum was to play the ball wide decisively to change the point of attack. Jones quite rightly could not commit to joining the attack until there was a commitment to playing wide ... because he was conscious of the threat of a counter. However, he was showing every inclination to be available for that pass.That was our way to get in behind and to generate at least two chances on goal.
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2019, 05:13:18 PM »
Alvin just literally had to big d team to push up and create passin options everybody stand up watching him after he win a ball near we box
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2019, 05:19:06 PM »
De commentators on the Venezuelan channel are calling the blow Aubrey just take in de sensitive area "un Father's Day" and dey gehhin real kix off dey terminology. Men laughing unsympathetically. :rotfl:
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2019, 05:25:07 PM »
Dennis, this match is the proper description of there being "nothing in the match". Versus Honduras there was something in the match. Right now this is ah pappyshow.
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2019, 05:40:23 PM »
i am not seeing fortune ..

Deep in de second half. Ent yuh still not seeing him? :)
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2019, 06:31:04 PM »
Those of you who know me know I am a peong beyond belief, I does surprise myself and all.  Well, today was the 1st day in donkey years TT men's senior team had a game I truly forgot.  For me it is telling, praying for good outcome and reversal of fortunes w/upcoming elections
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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2019, 06:40:11 PM »
final score?

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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2019, 06:55:24 PM »
this shameful coach of a man just wasting precious time. the man can't even spring a surprise on we like he did with estados unidos, not even a glimmer of hope or a light in the distance. my only gripe is when he gets fired next month which coach would be tasked with the assignment to clean up this giant mess. the least he could do now is give us a convincing win over honduras so we could at least get to the gold cup for all the trouble he caused.

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« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2019, 07:22:28 PM »
If DL quit, he aint getting any severance or anything. But if he get fired (hopefully after the elections), the TTFA will have to pay him out until the end of the contract.. that is the only reason why I think he remaining in the post.

How many teams will pay him to coach after developing such a resume with the national team? My answer, is not many. I hate to disparage the man like that, but I think he need to think about how these results will affect his chances of securing future employment outside the TTFA.

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« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2019, 08:15:00 PM »
The fact that we played 442 today after 4231 and 4141 and 433 and............ ??? tells me dennis has no system and has not put in the work to understand what he has or how to make them function to get results.... these fellas need ah thoughtful coach dat can take dem parts and make ah workable machine. beenhakker...machine, whim machine.....right here eve...machine. gone are the days we can jus put men on d field and get results, in CFU anyways, it is very clear that Dennis have no clue how to assemble ah unit or execute ah coherent plan.
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« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2019, 08:48:52 PM »
However, it has to be said that the idea of a coach selecting players on the basis of 'big, strong, black" plays into the worst of stereotype and caricature, reduces players to physical attribution only and ascribes no value to the quality and presence of their thought processes on the field of play.

In addition, if we consider the players who have played under Shabazz, under Hart or under Lawrence in advanced areas of the pitch ... who precisely fits the stereotype? Molino? No. It's not that absurd.
I don't give 2 hoots about what you feel about stereotypes that's a part of life if you can't deal with it you need to move to another planet .

K Molino is probably the only name you can call on that list while he does have a little bit of physical and athletic ability because he come from the Hispanic people he inherited some of that Latin flair so he is technically good as well.

When S Hart took over the team he put K Molino on the bench because he is not his type of player he was going with D Roberts and the kid from Tobago I believe his name was Daniels or something like that he was trying to play his English football but when his back was against the wall and he was loosing he finally took Molino off the bench and when he took over the midfield he had no choice but to play him after that.

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« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2019, 09:05:06 PM »
This was the match to blood and test Daniel Carr in international football. Guerra should have started versus Honduras and played at least 60 to 70 minutes barring any eventualities. Carr had not been playing much in Cyprus and it showed in some situations versus Honduras when he did not get off the ground to meet heading opportunities.

Although he is capable of posting-up, he's still a relatively smaller player.

He would have been better placed to keep Venezuela's CBs honest and would have offered a variation that had a better chance of complicating things in Caracas.

Tonight had to have been a frustrating game for Guerra.
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« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2019, 09:55:06 PM »
I don't give 2 hoots about what you feel about stereotypes that's a part of life if you can't deal with it you need to move to another planet .

K Molino is probably the only name you can call on that list while he does have a little bit of physical and athletic ability because he come from the Hispanic people he inherited some of that Latin flair so he is technically good as well.

When S Hart took over the team he put K Molino on the bench because he is not his type of player he was going with D Roberts and the kid from Tobago I believe his name was Daniels or something like that he was trying to play his English football but when his back was against the wall and he was loosing he finally took Molino off the bench and when he took over the midfield he had no choice but to play him after that.

Good, so you should have no problem with being stereotyped as an idiot. (Have you re-read the genetics nonsense you just posted about Molino? Wow!)

Essentially your contention is that Hart selected Keon Daniel over Molino because Keon is big, strong and black? 
 :rotfl:  :rotfl: :rotfl:  Or should that be bigger, blacker, stronger?

(You need to come up to speed on Keon Daniel)

If I were you, I would stay away from this line of reasoning in any setting other than polite company.

Alright, let's cut to the chase and see whose feelings actually get hurt. M Woo Ling is no Judah Garcia and is not currently anywhere near serious consideration for the NT and a consummate pro like De Silva shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Woo Ling. Show some respect. In any event, the  factors that have impeded De Silva from consolidating an international place at senior team level are decidedly different from those that are keeping Woo Ling out of the conversation entirely. Maybe he should move to Iceland and find out if he can hang in that league.

Meanwhile, explain this to me, since Molino was the antidote why didn't Hart play Molino versus Messi and Argentina (when neither Daniel nor Roberts was there)? Bearing in mind that Molino had already met the starting whistle under SH by this match. His Latin flair kept him on the bench? Or was it something else?

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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #57 on: October 15, 2019, 12:23:22 AM »
Now Venezuela shuts out T&T 2-0.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Trinidad and To­ba­go's win­less streak was ex­tend­ed to 13 match­es on Mon­day af­ter they suf­fered a 2-0 loss to Venezuela in their in­ter­na­tion­al friend­ly at the Es­ta­dio Olimpi­co de la UCV in Cara­cas, Venezuela.

A five-minute blitz ear­ly in the first half by the home side pro­duced goals from Chi­na-based strik­er Sa­lomón Rondón in the 11th minute and winger Dar­win Machis in the 14th minute.

Rondón ri­fled a right-foot­ed shot in­to the top left-hand cor­ner of T&T goal­keep­er Adri­an Fon­cette's net from just out­side the penal­ty area and be­fore T&T could set­tle again, Machis latched on­to a pass from Yor­dan Os­o­rio in the heart of the penal­ty area and gave Fon­cette no chance with a pow­er­ful right-foot­er.

That was enough to con­sign T&T coach Den­nis Lawrence's side to an­oth­er de­feat.

The So­ca War­riors had gone in­to the match hav­ing al­so lost to Hon­duras by a sim­i­lar mar­gin in their lat­est CON­CA­CAF Na­tions League Group A qual­i­fi­er at the Hase­ly Craw­ford Sta­di­um last Thurs­day.

T&T were with­out cap­tain Khaleem Hy­land, de­fend­er Daneil Cyrus and USA-based duo Jo­evin Jones and Kevin Moli­no due to club com­mit­ments and this showed on the day as they strug­gled to match the Venezue­lans in in­ten­si­ty and cre­ativ­i­ty, es­pe­cial­ly in front of goal.

The team's last win came against the Unit­ed Arab Emi­rates 2-0 on Sep­tem­ber 6, 2018 and they have strug­gled to win a match since then, lead­ing to calls for the re­moval of Lawrence as coach.

Score:

VENEZUELA 2 (Sa­lomón Rondón 11', Dar­win Machis 14') v TRINIDAD & TO­BA­GO 0 - Highlights

Teams:

T&T: Adri­an Fon­cette, Aubrey David, Shel­don Bateau, Ke­ston Julien, Alvin Jones, Ke­van George, Ne­veal Hack­shaw, Levi Gar­cía (Akeem Gar­cía 79'), Aikim An­drews (Ross Rus­sell 79'), Ataullah Guer­ra (Dan­ny Carr 82'), Mar­cus Joseph (An­dre For­tune 74')

VENEZUELA: Wuilk­er Far­iñez (Rafael Ro­mo 45'), Mikel Vil­lanue­va, Yor­dan Os­o­rio, Rolf Feltsch­er, Ronald Hernán­dez (Gabriel Ben­itez 45'), Ró­mu­lo Otero (Juan­pi 66'), Júnior Moreno, Tomás Rincón, Sa­lomón Rondón (An­drés Ponce 78'), Dar­win Machis (Yefer­son Sotel­do 45'), Jhon Muril­lo (Jef­fer­son Savari­no 74')

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Trinidad and Tobago lose 2-0 in Caracas, Venezuela stretch Lawrence’s barren run to 14 games.
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The Trinidad and Tobago Men’s National Senior Team’s barren run continued this evening in Caracas as the Soca Warriors lost 2-0 to Venezuela in an international football friendly. The host team got the business done early with ex-England Premier League star Salomón Rondón and flanker Darwin Machís notching a goal apiece within the opening 15 minutes.

There was the odd sight of goal by the Warriors as forward Marcus Joseph and attacking midfielder Ataulla Guerra had half-chances. But Trinidad and Tobago never put sustained pressure on the hosts and the second half played out like a training exercise for Venezuela.

Trinidad and Tobago head coach Dennis Lawrence could point out that Venezuela were near full strength while he travelled without Kevin Molino, Ryan Telfer, Khaleem Hyland, Marvin Phillip and Daneil Cyrus. Nevertheless, Lawrence is now 14 games without a win as coach. Trinidad and Tobago’s previous worst run of results was 12 winless games in the mid-1980s.

The Warriors return to action on 17 November 2019 when they travel to Honduras for Concacaf Nations League action. Should they lose or draw there, Trinidad and Tobago would be in danger of going a calendar year without a win for the first team in the TTFA’s 111-year history.

This evening, Lawrence promised to give some of his younger players the chance to stake their claim in the first team. It is debatable whether his starting team reflected that.

Slovakia-based full back Keston Julien got the nod at left back for his first start under Lawrence—despite travelling with the team for close to two years—while Aikim Andrews started at right wing. However, his other alterations in the first team were goalkeeper Adrian Foncette, defender Aubrey David, midfielders Kevan George, Neveal Hackshaw and Guerra and Joseph upfront, who could hardly be considered ‘fresh blood’.

In their wake, attacker Akeem Garcia, midfielders Duane Muckette and Andre Fortune, goalkeeper Glenroy Samuel, full back Ross Russell Jr and defensive midfielder Aaron Lester started on the bench.

After just 11 minutes, Trinidad and Tobago were down as Venezuela right back Ronald Hernández created havoc in the visiting defence with an inverted overlap—a move now made popular by coach Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City. The Warriors back four dropped narrow to cover the threat and Hernandez slipped wide to Machís, whose low cross inside the six yard box fell fortuitously for Rondon to score his 27th international goal from 79 matches.

If Foncette might have done better on the first goal, he was clearly culpable on Venezuela’s second, as Machís cut in off the left flank and beat him with a speculative drive that bounced right in front of the goalkeeper. Still, Machís had far too much room to line up a shot and only Lawrence would know if the challenge should have come from stand-in captain Sheldon Bateau or George.

Venezuela had a few half-chances but rarely penetrated the Trinidad and Tobago defence thereafter. Lawrence could claim his team showed improved defensive organisation. Or Venezuela coach Rudamel Dudamel might counter that they merely took their feet off the pedal with the job effectively done.

An Andrews cross in first half stoppage time caused a rare bit of panic by the Venezuela defence while Guerra was just wide with a right footer from 25 yards. But there was little else to report for either side.

Lawrence’s substitutions were curious again. After giving Garcia (A) 28 minutes at centre forward against Honduras, he used him for 25 minutes on the flank in Caracas. Guerra played for roughly eight minutes as a false nine before forward Daniel Carr came on for the last nine minutes.

Perhaps Lawrence was considering his options for next month’s clash away to Honduras with a heavy loss almost certain to see Trinidad and Tobago relegated from the Concacaf top tier. Julien did little wrong at left back while Hackshaw gave a decent showing in central midfield and Andrews did not look out of place.

Still, there is little in the win column to suggest that the 2006 World Cup hero knows how to use the individuals at his disposal to get results for the Warriors at present.

(Teams)

Trinidad and Tobago (4-2-3-1): 22.Adrian Foncette (GK); 16.Alvin Jones, 2.Aubrey David, 4.Sheldon Bateau, 6.Keston Julien; 19.Kevan George, 15.Neveal Hackshaw; 18.Aikim Andrews (5.Ross Russell Jr 79), 9.Ataulla Guerra (14.Daniel Carr 81), 11.Levi Garcia (20.Akeem Garcia 65); 10.Marcus Joseph (7.Andre Fortune 73).

Unused substitutes: 21.Glenroy Samuel (GK), 17.Mekeil Williams, 8.Aaron Lester, 13. Duane Muckette, 23.Leston Paul.

Head coach: Dennis Lawrence

Venezuela (4-1-4-1): 1.Wuilker Faríñez (GK) (22.Rafael Romo (GK) 46); 20.Ronald Hernández (14.Gabriel Benitez 46), 24.Yordan Osorio, 3.Mikel Villanueva, 21.Rolf Feltscher; 5.Júnior Moreno; 15.Jhon Murillo (10.Jefferson Savarino 73), 17.Rómulo Otero (11.Juan Pablo Añor 65), 8.Tomás Rincon, 7.Darwin Machís (18.Yeferson Soteldo 46); 23.Salomón Rondón (9.Andrés Ponce 77).

Unused substitutes: 2.Wilker Ángel, 4.Jhon Chancellor, 6.Yangel Herrera, 13.Renzo Zambrano, 19.Fernando Aristeguieta.

Head coach: Rudamel Dudamel

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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2019, 03:30:57 AM »
If DL quit, he aint getting any severance or anything. But if he get fired (hopefully after the elections), the TTFA will have to pay him out until the end of the contract.. that is the only reason why I think he remaining in the post.

How many teams will pay him to coach after developing such a resume with the national team? My answer, is not many. I hate to disparage the man like that, but I think he need to think about how these results will affect his chances of securing future employment outside the TTFA.

He will be just fine brother, orchestrated and sabotage means future opps ... watch and see

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Re: Thread for Venezuela vs T&T (14-Oct-2019)
« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2019, 09:52:02 AM »
WATCH: Highlights of Trinidad and Tobago's 2-0 loss to Venezuela

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