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Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2021, 02:37:19 PM »
Concede the home game people ..... This CMO aint reasonable ...
Shouldn't matter where we play Guyana, if our aspirations is in the next rounds to beat the big 5 (hex) on away games. We should win all these first round games even under non-perfect circumstances, if we're to have any dream of moving on. Health of all ppl should be priority at the moment.

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Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2021, 06:12:34 PM »
When last we beat Guyana? because I am sure we did not beat them last time we met at the Gold Cup

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Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2021, 06:19:45 PM »
When last we beat Guyana? because I am sure we did not beat them last time we met at the Gold Cup

Haven't played them much recently, but de last time we beat dem was in 2011 after dey had already knock we out of World Cup qualifying.
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Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2021, 04:22:53 AM »
Look Breds, The authorities in Aussie has just mandated that the rest of the Aussie Open tennis would be played without fans. FIFA and the money people behind them really (******* **) causing all the confusion.

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Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2021, 06:08:00 PM »
SOS to Dr Rowley! CMO accused of ‘sabotage’, as Warriors unable to train or book warm-up games
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).


The Soca Warriors’ Qatar 2022 World Cup dreams are being stymied by the Trinidad and Tobago government’s Covid-19 rules and, according to football insiders, the Ministry of Health’s apparent reluctance to relax them for the Men’s National Senior Team.

There have been 107 million cases of infection worldwide since the start of the novel coronavirus pandemic, with 2.36 million deaths. However, the twin island republic has been widely praised for its response to the virus.

As of yesterday evening, the Ministry of Health reported 181 active cases of Covid-19 in Trinidad and Tobago, with 14 positives over the last 24 hours. The total number of infections here since last March is 7,631 with 136 deaths.

However, at least two persons closely involved with the national football team accused chief medical officer Dr Roshan Parasram of being too inflexible with the Soca Warriors. Both spoke on condition of anonymity.

The football team was granted a government exemption to play the United States in an exhibition match in Orlando on 31 January, which they lost 7-0—a joint national record.

Trinidad and Tobago head coach Terry Fenwick hoped to continue his team preparations with training sessions during their subsequent seven day quarantine at the TTFA Home of Football Wellness Centre in Couva. And the Englishman wanted St Vincent and the Grenadines and Dominica to fly in to face the Warriors in warm-up matches, as all three nations were quarantined there.

It turned out to be wishful thinking.

The Ato Boldon Stadium is a stone’s throw from the Home of Football. However, the Ministry of Health snubbed their request to train there and instead allegedly suggested they practice at a small field within the HoF facility.

Even then, there was a catch. The training was to be restricted to groups of five players; and, if they agreed, they would also have to spend an additional seven days at the quarantine facility.

“It is a cow field with old metal and pipe on it,” said the football insider, “and four feet of grass.”

“The field is not fit to train,” said a team member, who was part of the quarantine party.

The Home of Football, a controversial facility constructed under the guidance of ex-Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president David John-Williams, does not have a functioning gym. As a result, the players spent the last week largely confined to their rooms.

The national players who quarantined at the Home of Football were: Adrian Foncette, Josiah Trimmingham, Justin Garcia, Jamal Jack, Alvin Jones, Duane Muckette, Michel Poon-Angeron, Sean Bonval, Matthew Woo Ling, Jabari Mitchell, Marvin Phillip, Brent Sam, Jesse Williams, Hashim Arcia, and Gary Griffith III.

The quarantined staff members were: Derek King (assistant coach), Adrian Romain (manager), Captain Basil Thompson (logistics/safety and compliance manager), Dr Akash Dhanai (team doctor), Cassius Humphrey (fitness coach), Sion Cane (massage therapist/physiotherapist), Michael Williams (kit manager), Shaun Fuentes (head of media/communications), and Fenwick.

The mood within the camp worsened considerably when the players and staff members left quarantine on Tuesday, only to be warned that they could face prosecution if they left their homes over the next seven days—and training sessions are out of the question.

The players and staff, according to the team source, have tested six times in the past two weeks and every result was negative. Why then, they ask, are they still being stopped from getting on with the football programme?

“Basically, we feel we are under a big attack,” said the team source. “From the time we arrived in Orlando, we were in a bubble; and when we returned to Trinidad we were in quarantine. But now when we are looking forward to resume training, the [Office of the] CMOH is calling players and staff members and threatening them, saying they will visit their homes to ensure they are there.

“[…] I asked if I could send a breakdown of our negative results since we left to go to Orlando. They said ‘no’ and they are just following the rules.

“Basically they are saying this is their protocols and we have to abide by it.”

If any national player or staff member is found to be in breach of the Quarantine Act, the penalty is a fine of TT$6,000 and six months imprisonment.

“This is totally different from how the CPL (Caribbean Premier League) players were dealt with,” said a football insider. “Those players were allowed to train and move about the Hilton Hotel after just three days of quarantine!”

It is not a perfect analogy. During the four week CPL competition, the cricketers remained within the ‘bubble’ of the Hilton Hotel throughout. In contrast, the Warriors head home to their families after each session.

Still, the national footballers already have special dispensation to practice. Is it worth stopping them now—after their negative tests—but allowing them to train in a week’s time in virtually the same conditions?

And that’s to say nothing of the illegal training sessions and pick-up matches that occur almost daily around the country.

Neither Dr Parasram nor Minister of Health Terrence Deyalsingh responded to Wired868’s request for comment on the complaints.

But then a big part of the problem, according to the insider, remains the perceived aloofness of the Ministry of Health’s senior officials.

The Fifa-appointed normalisation committee, which replaced the TTFA Board in 2020, requested clearance from the Ministry of Health to host Dominica and St Vincent and the Grenadines for a three-nation tournament later this month. And, last week, they also sought approval to host Guyana for Trinidad and Tobago’s opening World Cup qualifier on 25 March.

In each case, they claimed that no response was given to the local football body.

At a press conference yesterday, the health minister said Dr Parasram was ‘in discussions with the football fraternity to deal with that issue’. He hinted it was a not a straightforward matter.

“We are very concerned about people coming into the country and not quarantining properly and possibly bringing in the new variants,” said Deyalsingh. “[…] So, the decision would be made in the best interest of protecting the safety of our population.”

It was not with the Warriors wanted to hear.

“The normalisation committee has been pleaded with the CMO to get a letter from the minister of health that they can send to Concacaf, granting approval to play World Cup games in Trinidad,” said the insider. “And the CMO has not responded. If that continues, we will get no practice games before the Guyana match and we may lose our home game—because of a simple approval we need from the Ministry of Health.

“Guyana is our toughest opponent in that five team group and losing the chance to play that game at home can be crucial… Whoever wins that game will virtually get through to the next round.”

The other three nations in Group F are St Kitts and Nevis, Puerto Rico and the Bahamas.

Fifa rules dictate that the TTFA has until 11 March to confirm it can host Guyana as well as the necessary Fifa match officials for the affair. If not, the game will be moved to a neutral venue.

Last year, the Ministry of Health facilitated the CPL competition—supposedly at the urging of Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley. The Warriors hope Dr Rowley acts again.

“We are hoping that the prime minister will intervene,” said the insider. “The prime minister gave a directive to host the CPL; and it was on his authority that the national team was given permission to train. At present, it feels like [the Ministry of Health is] doing everything to muzzle them.

“What we are seeing is disrespectful, embarrassing and a virtual sabotage of the national team by the CMO. It is a total contrast to what was done with the CPL.”

The Warriors, according to the team source, have not given up on getting their desired players based in the United Kingdom. Fenwick said he wants to recruit at least a dozen players from his homeland, most of whom are uncapped and don’t hold Trinidad and Tobago passports but are eligible due to parentage.

The UK’s Covid-19 protocols allow exemptions for ‘elite athletes’ to travel, without requiring quarantine on their return. But requests for that privilege are to be handled on a case by case basis by its health ministry, with the England Football Association also involved in the process.

Guyana is among 33 banned nations by the British government and no exemption is possible for travel there. The spine of the ‘Golden Jaguars’, including defender Samuel Cox and midfielder Neil Danns, play in the English lower leagues.

Fifa’s current protocols allow clubs to refuse to players for international duty once they will face more than four days of quarantine. If such players do not get an exemption from England’s FA to represent their adopted countries, their clubs can refuse to release them—regardless of what the Ministry of Health decides.

Still, the Warriors’ coaching staff remain hopeful.

“We have already reached out the clubs and it feels very positive for us,” said the source. “But again, we need to know where we will be playing and, at the moment, all of that is up in the air. We are not trying to burn any bridges but we will like to train, especially as we have all our negative results.

“We can create carpools for the guys to get to training and provide shuttle for those who don’t have vehicles. We have already been set back big time, but we are doing everything we can to have the best team possible for the Guyana game.”

The Warriors’ immediate future may owe much to Dr Parasram; and perhaps to Dr Rowley. And, certainly, to the Covid-19 virus.

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By Fayola Bostic (Wired868.


Covid-19 restrictions may not have barred national sports teams from practising, but the pandemic could potentially have an early impact on the Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifying campaign of the Trinidad and Tobago Men’s National Senior Football Team.

The Soca Warriors are due to host Guyana in their opening game on 25 March, under new head coach Terry Fenwick. But a new Fifa ruling, plus the current non-commitment to providing quarantine exemptions for travelling teams, means the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) might be forced to concede home advantage.

At present, the TTFA is being run by a Fifa-appointed normalisation committee headed by businessman Robert Hadad.

Normal Fifa rules require clubs to release players to represent their countries on an international match day. However, as governments have enacted travel restrictions and mandatory quarantine periods to prevent the spread of the virus, Fifa created an exemption that allows clubs to deny their players leave to represent their home teams.

The new rules say clubs must release players except where: ‘there is a mandatory period of quarantine or self-isolation of at least five (5) days upon arrival’ either in the location of the club or the match venue. Clubs can also refuse to release players if there are travel restrictions to or from those locations.

That means if players don’t receive exemptions from travel restrictions and quarantine or self-isolation requirements, their clubs are under no obligation to let them play for their country teams.

In Trinidad and Tobago, the borders are closed to all but nationals, who still must apply for an exemption to enter the country. A returning national then faces a mandatory seven-day quarantine in a state facility, followed by another seven days of self-isolation.

The Warriors only emerged from quarantine yesterday at the Home of Football in Couva, since their international against the United States in Orlando on 31 January, which they lost 7-0.

As a host country, the Fifa rules require the TTFA to get exemptions for its players, the visiting team, and match officials to enter the country and skip any quarantine or self-isolation of more than five days.

With the match against Guyana carded for 25 March, that leaves the TTFA until 11 March to inform Fifa whether the T&T government will grant the necessary exemptions. The UK government, for instance, grants exemptions to certain ‘elite athletes’ to travel and play without quarantine.

The Warriors, who are also scheduled to play away to Puerto Rico on 28 March, could be forced to play their opening ‘home game’ at a neutral venue if the Dr Keith Rowley-led government does not play along.

Speaking at the Ministry of Health’s virtual media conference, Minister of Health Terrence Deyalsingh said: “The CMO [chief medical officer Dr Roshan Parasram] is in contact and in discussions with the football fraternity to deal with that issue.

“We are very concerned about people coming into the country and not quarantining properly and possibly bringing in the new variants… So, the decision would be made in the best interest of protecting the safety of our population.”

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Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2021, 10:24:29 AM »
Look Breds, The authorities in Aussie has just mandated that the rest of the Aussie Open tennis would be played without fans. FIFA and the money people behind them really (******* **) causing all the confusion.

Different country. Different infection rate. Apples and oranges! FIFA is managing the world of football while the Aussie Open is one country. Having said that, it is the Trinidad and Tobago government with its tortoise-like decision making process that is screwing up our football.
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Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2021, 06:06:09 PM »
SOS to Dr Rowley! CMO accused of ‘sabotage’, as Warriors unable to train or book warm-up games
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).



And that’s to say nothing of the illegal training sessions and pick-up matches that occur almost daily around the country.

Neither Dr Parasram nor Minister of Health Terrence Deyalsingh responded to Wired868’s request for comment on the complaints.

But then a big part of the problem, according to the insider, remains the perceived aloofness of the Ministry of Health’s senior officials.





This is baffling to me given what's going on with the national football team

Especially with CPL occuring not too long ago...
What is Cricket doing that football can translate into their policy and procedures?
Have football administrators reached out to the cricket board for advice on how to possibly proceed in advance?

And how are "illegal" sessions being conducted and even the simple small goal sweats, but our national teams can't?

Is it that the police services are fed up breaking these things up? and it's happening in main areas that are regularly travelled
Parks, school grounds...

i get the small community grounds sticky to police but ppl just bold-faced with it too

Wired868 tried to put a spotlight on it up not too long ago (the manner with which it was done was questionable) but the fact that there's been a drastic increase in the last few months --- before you couldnt pass stadiums,school grounds, savannah or King George n see men sweating----- now it's almost a sure thing!

Kids confused when you tell them you cant take em out but they seeing it happening!!

If they want to manage it where it can be done in small grp sessions for training ---- cool
but not small goal sweat for sweating sake ..i agree on that

 

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Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2021, 07:08:49 PM »
How come Red Force and the other island teams playing cricket?

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Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2021, 02:04:01 AM »
Venue concerns for T&T/Guyana clash.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).


A neutral venue is being considered as an option, as talks between the Normalisation Committee, the Ministry of Sports and the Ministry of Health continue ahead of the country's opening World Cup Qualifying match with Guyana on March 25.

Chairman of the normalisation committee Robert Hadad has assured that he wants the match to be held right here in T&T.

The game is scheduled to take place at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo, where coach Terry Fenwick will be hoping to capitalise on home advantage. However, no decision has been made on the match as yet, as the Health Ministry continues to grapple with people entering the country following the new variant of the COVID-19 pandemic, which has proven to be much more dangerous.

Hadad told Guardian Media Sports yesterday that there is still no plan for the match, however, a neutral venue is always there as a back-up plan.

The local football boss did not say where the neutral venue will be or if it was raised during their talks, only saying: "We are trying to have the match played in Trinidad."

Meanwhile, he has ruled out a proposal for the tri-nation international friendly football bubble with T&T, St Vincent and the Grenadines and Dominica, which was carded to take place at mid this month.

According to Hadad, these friendlies will be difficult due to the risk involved.

On Saturday, Fenwick lashed out at government officials for what he believes, is a reluctance to facilitate a proposed football-bubble that will be similar to what happened with the Caribbean Premier League (CPL) cricket tournament last year, from August 18 to September 10.

The England-born coach has called for similar treatment, saying it is important to capitalise on home advantage.

Fenwick and his team will resume preparation for the match at the Mucurapo venue on Wednesday.

After a 7-0 demolition at the hands of host United States on January 31 in Orlando, Florida, the T&T players, staff and coaches were made to serve a seven-day quarantine period at the Home of Football in Balmain, Couva, upon their return from the US.

Following the quarantine at the Home of Football, they were also made to undergo another seven-day self-imposed quarantine at their respective homes which ended on Tuesday.

The T&T team is in Group F of the World Cup Qualifiers, along with Puerto Rico, St Kitts and Nevis and Bahamas. Only the top team will progress to the second round of the qualifiers from the group.

Following the encounter with the Guyanese, the Soca Warriors will be away to Puerto Rico (March 28), away to the Bahamas (June 5), and home to St Kitts and Nevis (June 8.).

Should T&T win the group, they will take on the winner of Group A which features the likes of El Salvador, Antigua and Barbuda, Grenada, Montserrat, and the US Virgin Islands.

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By Roger Seepersad (T&T Express).


TTFA requests more time

The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA), through the head of the FIFA-appointed normalisation committee, chairman Robert Hadad, is still in discussions with government officials for approval to host Guyana in the national team’s opening match of the FIFA World Cup qualifying campaign on March 25.

Hadad confirmed yesterday that discussions are ongoing and that the normalisation committee has asked FIFA for more time to finalise arrangements with the T&T government for the match.

It has been reported that the deadline date to indicate this country’s ability to host the encounter has expired, while the TTFA is still waiting for clearance to host the match from Chief Medical Officer (CMO) Dr Roshan Parasram and Ministry of Health (MoH) officials.

Asked for an update on the situation, Hadad responded: “(We are) working with the Minster of Sport and Minister of Health. Still trying to come up with a plan.”

The country’s borders remain closed for everyone except nationals. They must seek exemptions from the Ministry of National Security, with a mandatory 14-day quarantine period required, to be split evenly between a State-approved facility and the national’s home.

The T&T footballers recently travelled to the USA for a friendly international and had to undergo a quarantine period at the Home of Football upon their return.

If T&T are unable to get clearance for the match to be held in Trinidad, then the TTFA may have to give up home advantage.

Asked if there was a deadline date for government approval for the game to go ahead as scheduled, Hadad said: “We are asking for more time.” Asked if they were asking FIFA for more time to put arrangements in place for the match, Hadad said “yes”.

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Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2021, 09:56:42 AM »
This is what peeves me with our football. This format has been implemented since September, you really mean to tell me that they didn’t see it as a priority to sit down with the relevant authorities and iron out a plan on how they were going to move forward?

they actually waited until the last minute to figure out what was their next move? trinbago in true third world style again you have managed to disappoint, which goes to show that you have no intention of ever improving on your lazy backward modus operandi. the definition of madness= doing the very same thing over and over yet expecting better results.
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« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2021, 02:24:10 PM »
This is what peeves me with our football. This format has been implemented since September, you really mean to tell me that they didn’t see it as a priority to sit down with the relevant authorities and iron out a plan on how they were going to move forward?

they actually waited until the last minute to figure out what was their next move? trinbago in true third world style again you have managed to disappoint, which goes to show that you have no intention of ever improving on your lazy backward modus operandi. the definition of madness= doing the very same thing over and over yet expecting better results.

And tell me if the Impart of our culture does not drive  how we approach things?

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« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2021, 01:29:16 AM »
This is what peeves me with our football. This format has been implemented since September, you really mean to tell me that they didn’t see it as a priority to sit down with the relevant authorities and iron out a plan on how they were going to move forward?

they actually waited until the last minute to figure out what was their next move? trinbago in true third world style again you have managed to disappoint, which goes to show that you have no intention of ever improving on your lazy backward modus operandi. the definition of madness= doing the very same thing over and over yet expecting better results.

And tell me if the Impart of our culture does not drive  how we approach things?
the only drive that I’m familiar with where TT and sport is concerned, is the drive to failure.

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Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2021, 07:06:35 AM »
The bargain for kicking United TTFA to the curb was the assumption of a flat track to WC qualification. Clearly not a straightforward bargain. And not everyone in the halls of officialdom has stopped kicking the political football on that flat track. And worse, there's a lot of lateral passing when it is time for the long ball because we are running out of time.

The TTFA is still a captured organization. If this Guyana match is compromised, the TTFA must be freed of its chains or not we are all in for long-term chain-up.
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« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2021, 10:06:44 AM »
I second what pull stones said! total madness.

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Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2021, 07:37:25 AM »
T&T vs Guyana WC match for Curacao.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).


T&T's FIFA World Cup Qualifying match against Guyana will not be played here in T&T, a source close to the situation confirmed to Guardian Media Sports on Friday.

It will now, most-likely be played in Curacao, where an all-expense-covered opportunity will be presented to the teams, being a CONCACAF venue.

It is understood that the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee is attempting to negotiate with countries that are willing to help them financially and otherwise, since negotiations with Guyana broke down, due to a request by the Guyana Football Federation for T&T to pay for hotel and accommodation.

Should the match be played outside of T&T, the Terry Fenwick-coached team will miss out on the advantage of playing in front of a home crowd.

According to the source, who spoke to Guardian MediaSports on the condition of anonymity, said it is disappointing, an uncaring and unprofessional government has blocked the idea of a football bubble where the match could have been played, as is being done in many countries around the world.

Guardian Media Sports was told that a decision on the match was taken to the Cabinet, where 12 to 15 ministers supported the match being played in T&T, but it appeared not to have gotten the approval of the Minister of Health Terrence Deyalsingh, under the advice of Chief Medical Officer (CMO) Dr Roshan Parasram.

Parasram when contacted on Thursday, said Minister Deyalsingh had already spoken about the match and did not want to add to his comments.

Meanwhile, the Minister of Sport and Community Development Shamfa Cudjoe could not be reached for comment. Guardian Media Sports sent questions to Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley about the match via WhatsApp on Tuesday but received no response up to press time yesterday.

The normalisation committee was expected to submit a response to CONCACAF by Thursday (February 18th), but chairman Hadad admitted they had received an extension to this date.

It is still unclear as to the reasons why the match was blanked, the source explained, coming at a time when the country and government are accessible to more information than last year when approval for the Caribbean Premier League (CPL) was granted.

"It is confusing because the government and the Ministry of Health could have sourced more info about staging bubble events from the many countries staging them now," the source said.

They added: "So are they saying that countries like Guyana, Jamaica and all these countries are capable of holding bubble events and we can't in T&T?"

Early yesterday Robert Hadad, chairman of the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee called on the public to rally around the government, believing it was well within its rights to take the necessary steps to prevent the new variants of the COVID19 virus from reaching our shores.

"We will do our very best to keep this thing in a hot bubble. I understand, and the committee understands the position of the government, concerning COVID19. They have done a damn good job here, so we need to work with them and trust them," Hadad said.

He noted further: "At the time of the CPL, COVID19 was in a different place from today. So where we are today, all the circumstances are different, so we have to consider things a little bit different. So we will work with the government to find a solution."

The Caribbean Premier League (CPL) received a $6M investment from the government for six club franchise teams, with expectations of returns in the end. To date, however, it is unsure of the returns, despite a properly-run, COVID19-free tournament.

Only last week, national coach Fenwick lashed out at the government for its reluctance to approve the football bubble when the CPL received the go-ahead. According to Fenwick, his team was recently taken in by the United States for an international friendly, and his team and staff were tested every day.

Despite a worrying 7-0 result, however, Fenwick's team was subjected to another 14-day quarantine period when they returned home.

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By Ian Prescott (T&T Express).


OH REALLY?

How can Guyana host the World Cup qualifier but Trinidad and Tobago cannot?

The question was asked by former Sport Minister Brent Sancho, after news circulating yesterday suggested the Trinidad and Tobago senior men’s team will likely give up home advantage and play its 2022 FIFA World Cup qualifier in Guyana, on March 25.

Yesterday, unconfirmed reports stated that Chief Medical Officer (CMO) Roshan Parasram had denied a request from the FIFA-imposed normalisation committee to allow the match to be played here, owing to current Covid-19 protocols.

Neither Parasram nor FIFA normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad responded to telephone calls or WhatsApp messages in seeking clarity, or confirmation, regarding the impasse. And when contacted, men’s national head coach Terry Fenwick said he would comment at a later date.

Fenwick began full national team training on Wednesday with a contingent of local and foreign-based players, including the likes of Joevin Jones, Alvin Jones, Kevin Molino and Dwayne Muckette.

A Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) source revealed that Fenwick had been given the option of either playing the match in Guyana, or on a synthetic pitch at a neutral venue in Curacao.

The Englishman was reportedly fuming at the prospect of the “Soca Warriors” having to cede home advantage against what could prove to be the toughest opponent (Guyana) for T&T in preliminary group stage action, whereby only the top team advances.

Fenwick is said to be furious that two teams were denied access to play a key World Cup qualifier here when only a few months ago, and at the peak of the Covid-19 outbreak, Government allowed six teams to participate in the 2020 Caribbean Premier League (CPL), while in an isolated bio-secure ‘bubble’ from August 18-September 10.

The 61-year-old former England international is reportedly also peeved that during the six months after FIFA confirmed that World Cup qualifiers against Guyana (March 26) and St Kitts-Nevis (June 8.) would be held here, that officials of the Sport Ministry, Health Ministry and the normalisation committee could not come together to find a means for the T&T football team to host the one-off match.

Efforts via both telephone and WhatApp, to contact Sport and Community Development Minister Shamfa Cudjoe, also proved futile

The question was raised, why not hold the match at an alternative venue such as Barbados or Grenada?

“Anguilla playing their game in Miami at a neutral venue and Trinidad and Tobago can do the same. At the end of the day, the Government allowed CPL to play here and at the height of the pandemic. My point is, find a way,” contended Sancho. Given the many protocols which have allowed sport to take place around the world, Sancho is of the firm belief that a way could have been found to have the match played in T&T.

“It doesn’t make sense,” he added, “When you have 83 countries around the world hosting World Cup qualifiers, then people finding ways to do things.”

Soca Warrior unfazed by Guyana qualifier uncertainty.
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday).


SOCA Warriors defender Radanfah Abu Bakr and team manager Adrian Romain said the national players are focused and upbeat despite the uncertainty surrounding the March 25 World Cup qualifier against Guyana.

The normalisation committee remains in communication with the health ministry and Chief Medical Officer Dr Roshan Parasram, awaiting clearance to host the match in T&T.

However, TT Football Association (TTFA) general secretary Amiel Mohammed said on Friday, "We are still finalising arrangements and all will be confirmed tomorrow."

National football training resumed on Monday under head coach Terry Fenwick after several players and coaches completed state-sanctioned quarantine. T&T fell 7-0 to the US on January 31 in Florida and the local-based players and coaches who travelled abroad had to serve 14 days quarantine upon their return – seven days at the Home of Football and seven at home.

The experienced trio of Kevin Molino, Joevin Jones and Abu Bakr, who missed the US friendly. returned to training this week.

Speaking to Newsday on Friday, Abu Bakr said he is uncertain if all the players are aware that the qualifier has not been given the green light. However, Abu Bakr said the players are concentrating on training.

"Generally, we want to just focus on what we can control, which is putting in our work in training and performing on the pitch...those other issues are not up to us," he said.

On his personal training during the pandemic, Abu Bakr said, "I have been doing as much as I can on my own or in small groups in the gym. I did not retire, obviously, so I assume he (Fenwick) saw it fit that he needs a little bit more experience around the team especially in this time here. In these qualifiers, one mistake and it could probably spell the end of your chances. There is no room for mistake."

He added, "I am delighted to be asked to be a part of the effort and however I can help. Even if it is just sort of being there and mentoring some of the younger guys. I am happy to share my experience and obviously contribute on the pitch as well, which I still think I am more than capable of doing."

Under normal circumstances an entire national team will gather just days before a World Cup qualifier during an international window. But because of the pandemic many of the local-based players have been training regularly since the middle of 2020, allowing the players to build chemistry.

Abu Bakr said this can benefit the team. "At least you have guys in a long period together. It could almost be a plus in the sense that under normal circumstances you bring guys in an international window – two, three days – just to put some ideas in their head and hope that it sort of just sinks in really quickly in time for a game. That's always very difficult. Maybe there is a bit of a positive in the guys being here and being able to really understand what the coach is expecting of them."

Romain added, "The mood of the camp is very upbeat. Everyone is focused on the World Cup qualifiers that are coming up. We are trying to get at least two international friendlies before the World Cup qualifiers. It is a plus to have senior guys return to the training fold locally...

"We are just awaiting word in terms of where the game will be hosted on the 25th, but we are putting things in place." T&T are targeting Dominica and St Vincent and the Grenadines as two potential friendlies

Asked if the uncertainty of the qualifier is a distraction for the players, Romain said, "Honestly, we know it will not be played in Guyana. To be fair (normalisation committee president) Mr (Robert) Hadad and the general secretary (Amiel Mohammed) are doing as much as they can do to make sure that the game is in Trinidad."

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« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2021, 01:39:07 AM »
The TTFA needs to take this minister to court there is no way other caribbean country's can have games and TT can't .

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« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2021, 02:09:36 AM »
The TTFA needs to take this minister to court there is no way other caribbean country's can have games and TT can't .
you seem to thrive on being adversarial and never actually ascertaining the facts in its proper context. the actual reasons do make sense. for anyone entering TT you must quarantine for 14 days before you are allowed in public, and that’s goes for every one.

 if players were to follow those guidelines they would have to spend 14 days in TT without training, in some cases their clubs would not allow it because they would have to be released early in order meet the quarantine  stipulations and when they return after the international break their fitness level would have been diminished due to their inactivity in quarantine.

So it’s better for them to find a country that does not have these harsh health guidelines, and DR fit the bill perfectly, plus it’s right next to PR where we are scheduled to play the next game on the 28th of March. so it all worked out fine.

PS. Just say thank god we didn’t have to forfeit the game and lose all three points, and now have an opportunity to get something from the game without suffer loss by the fault. you’re typical trini, that bitch, moan and make a big hollabolu over every little bloody thing. you people suffer severely from delusions of grandeur. no one owes us anything so just be thankful and stop complaining.

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Fenwick: Poor planning for World Cup qualifiers.
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday).


HEAD coach of the national men’s senior football team Terry Fenwick is disappointed that Trinidad and Tobago will now have to play Guyana in a FIFA World Cup qualifier in Dominican Republic, on March 25.

T&T were scheduled to face Guyana in its opening match of the 2022 Qatar World Cup qualifiers at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Port of Spain, but covid19 protocols have led to the change in venue.

On Saturday, a media release by the TT Football Association (TTFA), said it “laments the decision of the Ministry of Health to not allow the TTFA to host this country’s opening Qatar 2022 World Cup Qualifier versus Guyana in Trinidad, in a hot-bubble environment, on March 25. The TTFA has therefore taken a decision to stage the match at the Pan American Stadium, San Cristobal, Dominican Republic.”

The TTFA media release added, “Over the last few months, we have been in discussions with the Ministry of Health, Sports Company of TT and other relevant Government agencies.

“Based on these discussions, numerous proposals and scenarios were put forward to host the match in Trinidad, but unfortunately none were ultimately successful, which would satisfy our FIFA mandates for international competitions.”

Fenwick, in an interview with Newsday, said, “I am very disappointed because the game was carded for T&T (at the) Hasely Crawford Stadium as a home game for T&T in a one-off playoff against Guyana. We have not been able to secure that game over that period of time, which is important (to note). This is not a last-minute decision. We knew this was happening in August last year.”

The quarantine measure does not allow the match to be played in T&T. “The Ministry of Health’s protocol and guidelines mandate 14 days quarantine for anyone entering the country. This condition is not feasible given the FIFA international match window and the Ministry of Health has declined the TTFA’s request of an exemption to facilitate a hot-bubble which would allow members of both teams, including staff, to arrive within a suitable time period conducive to international football. We have worked tirelessly with FIFA, Concacaf and the Government of T&T to find solutions but regrettably a compromise could not be found.”

Fenwick said his players need to get some competition before the qualifiers kick off, but poor planning has been an issue. Fenwick said around the world football is being played. “They have got international friendlies, competitive games...because it is six and eight months in advance. (It is) planning. We’ve not done none of that.”

The TTFA release said steps are being taken to ensure the players are prepared for the qualifiers. “The TTFA is committed to giving the men’s senior national team the best preparation possible during these challenging times. We have been working and continue to work on solutions to provide head coach Terry Fenwick the opportunity to engage in international friendly matches and training camps ahead of the qualifiers.”

Several of T&T’s players are based overseas and Fenwick is making moves to get those players to the Dominican Republic. “That’s what we are trying to do. Again it is not in our hands, it is the club’s hands but we are reaching out early.”

Fenwick added that he must continue to train with a large group of players locally because he is uncertain that the T&T players overseas will be released by their clubs for the qualifier. “We can’t send anybody home because we don’t know what we getting from overseas. It is a real difficult situation. If covid virus wasn’t enough, we are treading on our toes in Trinidad and certain areas have not helped.”

The TTFA understands why the qualifier was not allowed to be held in T&T. “The TTFA is incredibly disappointed and shares the public’s frustration at not being able to play our designated home match on local soil. However, we do understand the responsibilities of the Ministry of Health and appreciate the efforts that they are making to preserve the safety of the citizens of our country.”

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Fenwick calls for unity ahead of World Cup qualifier.
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (T&T Newsday).


National men’s football coach Terry Fenwick has urged the TT Football Association (TTFA) and its affiliates to unite ahead of this country’s FIFA World Cup qualification campaign which kicks off against Guyana on March 25.

After hosting a training session at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo, on Saturday, the 61-year-old coach called for all hands on deck as T&T seeks to secure its second-ever qualification to a senior FIFA World Cup.

Owing to the pandemic and prior legal wrangling between TTFA and FIFA, Fenwick has had a tough time at the helm of local football since his appointment in December 2019.

After a 7-0 clobbering in his first official match against USA, on January 31, Fenwick has now set sights on World Cup qualification with a team that was only able to resume training in November 2020.

With the domestic season inactive for almost a year because of Government’s health regulations, and players unable to move freely because of border control, Fenwick faces a tough task.

However, he recently received a boost with the inclusion of US-based talents Kevin Molino and Joevin Jones returning home after a hectic but impressive Major League Soccer season.

Looking ahead to the World Cup qualifiers, Fenwick has requested that all stakeholders come together and support the team on its journey to Qatar 2022.

The former English Premier League defender referred to his team’s recent experience being hosted by the USA for their international friendly. He said stakeholders were all on the same page to pull of the match.

“It was a big learning curve for us when we went to the US. It was every man working for the US; whether it be players, staff, people in the background, they were all on one team and working together for the benefit of the USA.

“I would like to see that across the board in T&T. Put down the daggers, put down all the nastiness. Let’s get together and pull together with the national team for the World Cup qualifier coming up.

“We’re looking forward to have all parties involved: Government, ministries and players,” he said.

Fenwick said several Caribbean teams have taken the opportunity to travel to Miami to take part in development camps and get much-needed playing time prior to their respective qualifiers.

The veteran coach still believes domestic football can resume if the proper health protocols are observed by teams. According to him, the lengthy postponement can cause a "talent drain" of local footballers, who may reconsider their playing careers.

He thinks the constant delay to resume is also taking a toll on the national team towards their qualification process.

Fenwick added, “Clearly we need more as far as games are concerned. We need these games (in Miami) so we can prepare properly for the World Cup qualifiers.

“Teams such as St Vincent and other Caribbean islands are planning overseas training camps so why can’t we do so as well? All of the other teams are planning their games in advance. You can see their schedules moving forward so we know what they’re doing.

“There’s no games (for T&T) planned as yet and we want to get that tied up this week so we can plan ahead and get our players on the ground and prepared.

“There’s still a big question mark around players from the UK and Europe as to their travel to come for the qualifier. We’re working on that.”

After returning from the USA friendly, the national team was mandated to spend 14 days quarantine – seven at the Home of Football and seven at their respective homes.

Fenwick said lengthy periods away from the sport do not help develop player fitness and agility on the field of play. Raising the team’s fitness levels and forming game plans are the main focus for the T&T coach.

Former Minnesota United midfielder Molino also called out on the public to rally behind the T&T team.

“It takes a whole country for us to go out there and perform – not just the 11 players on a team. We need each and every one to support us and give us that backing to go out there and get results.

“I feel great to be back with the guys, and in national colours is always my dream. I’m happy to be here and partake with the new guys that joined the team,” he said.

Fenwick: TTFA responsible for oversight in W/Cup qualifier shift.
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No excuse

SENIOR men’s national football team coach Terry Fenwick places the blame squarely on the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) administration, for the T&T men’s team not being able to play its World Cup qualifier at home.

“Government officials are recognising that they have only just received document and things from the TTFA asking for permission,” Fenwick declared. “Hang on, we got this decision (to host the match) back in August (2020).”

On Saturday, the TTFA announced that Trinidad and Tobago’s opening World Cup qualifier will be played at the Pan American Stadium, San Cristobal, in the Dominican Republic.

This follows the decision of the Ministry of Health (MOH) to not allow the TTFA to host this country’s opening Qatar 2022 World Cup Qualifier versus Guyana in Trinidad -- in a hot-bubble environment -- on March 25. Minister of Sport and Community Development, Shamfa Cudjoe, confirmed that the TTFA only sought permission in the first week of February.

“There is no excuse,” Fenwick declared. “You cannot blame Robert Hadad. He is a businessman,” stated Fenwick, who lay blame at the feet of the TTFA administrative staff. ”This has all to do with the administration of football in the TTFA and its not the first time we have had these issues,” claimed Fenwick. “It‘s the same people. They are not performing.”

While confident of getting a positive result in the Dominican Republic, Fenwick firmly believes home advantage would have been beneficial. “I wanted home advantage,” said Fenwick. “We were given a one-off game against Guyana, the toughest opponent for us, at home. It’s a big plus and not anybody else but our administrators have mashed that up.”

If anything positive is to come out of the misfortune, Fenwick hopes that TTFA administration will step up their game as the World Cup campaign goes on and also before the CONCACAF Gold Cup in mid-year. “I’m the coach. I’m meant to get the team right,” Fenwick said. “I’m engaging in so many other things because other people in the Association are not doing it.”

Despite the disappointment of not playing at home, Fenwick remains focused on the task ahead. “I can not argue with how the players have applied themselves,” Fenwick stated in a TTFA Media interview following his third training session on Friday. “But clearly we need to know the way forward as far as games are concerned. My understanding is that there is an opportunity to play games in Miami. We need these games so we can prepare properly for the World Cup qualifier.”

“All the other teams are planning their games in advance,” Fenwick noted. “There are no (T&T) games planned as yet. We want to get that tied-up this week, so we can plan ahead and get our players on the ground, prepared for the World Cup qualifier coming up on the 25th of March.”

Meanwhile, the TTFA expressed disappointment in not having its qualifier played at home. “The TTFA is incredibly disappointed and shares the public’s frustration at not being able to play our designated home match on local soil,” the FA stated via media release.

“However, we do understand the responsibilities of the MOH and appreciate the efforts that they are making to preserve the safety of the citizens of our country. While the decision is a bitter pill to swallow, we believe that sport and the positive mental health aspects of sports must not be undervalued and applaud the Government of Trinidad and Tobago for allowing outdoor recreational sports to resume.”

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« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2021, 06:43:37 AM »
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“There is no excuse,” Fenwick declared. “You cannot blame Robert Hadad. He is a businessman,” stated Fenwick, who lay blame at the feet of the TTFA administrative staff. ”This has all to do with the administration of football in the TTFA and its not the first time we have had these issues,” claimed Fenwick. “It‘s the same people. They are not performing.”

Huh? Head-scratching stuff.  ???

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« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2021, 06:55:08 AM »
Perhaps there were doubts about playing on a synthetic or artificial surface in Curacao.
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« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2021, 12:17:17 PM »
I never imagined or even  think dat a day would come when our  national  coach depends on home advantage against guyana  ...... :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
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« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2021, 04:58:31 PM »
I never imagined or even  think dat a day would come when our  national  coach depends on home advantage against guyana  ...... :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

A sad testament to how far we have fallen- you would think a 20k USA a month coach would stop  manufacturing premature  excuses prior to the game. Does not instill confidence nor inspire great hope for success.

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« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2021, 06:01:06 PM »
Well, at least we know Frenderup is in the works.
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« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2021, 06:11:36 PM »
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“There is no excuse,” Fenwick declared. “You cannot blame Robert Hadad. He is a businessman,” stated Fenwick, who lay blame at the feet of the TTFA administrative staff. ”This has all to do with the administration of football in the TTFA and its not the first time we have had these issues,” claimed Fenwick. “It‘s the same people. They are not performing.”

Huh? Head-scratching stuff.  ???

To be clear: the head-scratching is more about the part in bold than about "the same people". The candidates for "the same people" is not exactly a disguised or long-list.
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« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2021, 10:04:22 PM »
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“There is no excuse,” Fenwick declared. “You cannot blame Robert Hadad. He is a businessman,” stated Fenwick, who lay blame at the feet of the TTFA administrative staff. ”This has all to do with the administration of football in the TTFA and its not the first time we have had these issues,” claimed Fenwick. “It‘s the same people. They are not performing.”

Huh? Head-scratching stuff.  ???

To be clear: the head-scratching is more about the part in bold than about "the same people". The candidates for "the same people" is not exactly a disguised or long-list.
Seeker, I'm a little lost as well. Who is this Admin Staff that has been messing up all our football all these years, and what really is their function ? Does it mean the President, boards and committees make decisions (eg. Past Presidents, Mr Camps etc, to now  Mr Hadad) and the admin staff don't do their instructions ? Is them causing we to be not sure we can beat Guyana. They mess up with communications, coaching and funding? You mean is them was siphoning funds all the time, and giving themselves contracts, firing and hiring competent and incompetent ppl as they please ? And Hahad come and pay them, cause he in the know as a businessman, and trying his best to please them, so they don't mess up no more ? oooorrr

They just issue Fenwick cheque late, besides the fact he not sure what to do with this Ntl team, so finding a new scapegoat, cause he already used the players as an excuse last time.

So what really dem doing ? Not following Hadad instructions ?

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« Reply #55 on: February 23, 2021, 02:53:40 AM »
What a bunch of pathetic man-babies Fenwick and Hadad are showing themselves to be. Incapable of taking any responsibility and shifting the blame to people they are ultimately responsible for.

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« Reply #56 on: February 23, 2021, 05:15:38 AM »
DR might just be the worse place in the Caribbean to visit right now.

How about Anguilla

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Check yesterday numbers.

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« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2021, 05:18:18 AM »
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“There is no excuse,” Fenwick declared. “You cannot blame Robert Hadad. He is a businessman,” stated Fenwick, who lay blame at the feet of the TTFA administrative staff. ”This has all to do with the administration of football in the TTFA and its not the first time we have had these issues,” claimed Fenwick. “It‘s the same people. They are not performing.”

Huh? Head-scratching stuff.  ???

To be clear: the head-scratching is more about the part in bold than about "the same people". The candidates for "the same people" is not exactly a disguised or long-list.
Seeker, I'm a little lost as well. Who is this Admin Staff that has been messing up all our football all these years, and what really is their function ? Does it mean the President, boards and committees make decisions (eg. Past Presidents, Mr Camps etc, to now  Mr Hadad) and the admin staff don't do their instructions ? Is them causing we to be not sure we can beat Guyana. They mess up with communications, coaching and funding? You mean is them was siphoning funds all the time, and giving themselves contracts, firing and hiring competent and incompetent ppl as they please ? And Hahad come and pay them, cause he in the know as a businessman, and trying his best to please them, so they don't mess up no more ? oooorrr

They just issue Fenwick cheque late, besides the fact he not sure what to do with this Ntl team, so finding a new scapegoat, cause he already used the players as an excuse last time.

So what really dem doing ? Not following Hadad instructions ?


It is worse than I first appreciated.  ??? ??? ??? ??? Shenanigans and posturings.
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« Reply #58 on: February 23, 2021, 06:00:25 AM »
DR might just be the worse place in the Caribbean to visit right now.

How about Anguilla

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Check yesterday numbers.

The staggering irony is that our numbers are low.
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« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2021, 06:09:28 AM »
For some reason, there's a presumption that the match being in T&T automatically meant socially-distanced fans. A sensible proposition might have been NO fans per se.

Separately, I suspect that there is going to be a lot of literature about the various impacts and dynamics of no fans in the stands on/related to the quality of play on the field. The results may be surprising (which should be mind-blowing for the Pro League).
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