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Black Lives Matter Football Thread.
« on: November 18, 2020, 09:07:18 AM »
How Britain is losing the race: what Yorke, Hislop, Sancho and more faced in UK.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).


This report was initially written by Lasana Liburd for the Trinidad Express newspaper and published there on 25 November 2004:

It was not, as Birmingham City chairman David Sullivan pointed out, the ‘crime of the century’. The British Soccernet website claimed that the Blackburn Football Club, the site of the latest racial incident in the British game, harboured just two racist fans.

Some Blackburn supporters claimed there was just one.

In any case, Sullivan insisted that it was no big deal and suggested that Trinidad and Tobago’s Dwight Yorke, effectively his employee, should have ignored it rather than confront the offending patrons.

Unanimously, the British media insisted that the monkey gestures and racist taunts aimed at the T&T star and Birmingham striker on Sunday were ‘small’, ‘isolated’ and, most importantly, ‘nothing like Spain’.

Last Wednesday in Madrid, thousands of Spanish fans made sickening monkey chants whenever a black Englishman touched the ball. Spain was quickly branded an ‘uncivilised nation’ by the British press and Professional Footballers Association (PFA) chief executive Gordon Taylor insisted that the English team should have walked off the field.

Tellingly, he did not say how many fans need to be making racial jibes before a team could head for the showers in good conscience.

Perhaps there were too few in Yorke’s case; which, of course, was an isolated one. Like Ron Atkinson’s gaffe, for instance.

Atkinson—who ironically coached Yorke at Aston Villa in the early ‘90s, where he sometimes ordered players to punch and kick Yorke to toughen him up at training sessions—infamously referred to former France captain and World Cup winner, Marcel Desailly, as a ‘f**king, lazy, thick nigger’ in the ITV television studio after a Champions League match this April.

The microphone was still on, though, and ‘Big Ron’ was asked to resign and complied.

It was not Atkinson’s first racial jibe as a television commentator. He once referred to a Cameroon player as brainless during the 1990 World Cup. His producers quickly chided him but Atkinson got in the last word during the interval. “Well if his mother is watching up a tree in Africa…”

Once more, his comments were inadvertently broadcast live in some countries and ITV received a complaint, but Atkinson remained on staff. That Ron Atkinson, they chuckle, never knows when to keep quiet.

There are other recent cases.

Dundee and Trinidad and Tobago defender Brent Sancho was called ‘a black bastard’ and hauled out of a taxi last October; but after a fight ensued, Sancho and not his racist assailant was thrown into a cell and charged. (Sancho was later acquitted).

Fulham striker Luis Boa Morte was called ‘a black c**t’ by Everton forward Duncan Ferguson in a Premiership match last season and reported the matter to the English FA.

But the FA dismissed the case for lack of evidence and the papers suggested that Boa Morte was a mischief-maker, which prompted a flood of abuse for the Portuguese striker by visiting fans.

“There were people on my team who heard it and there were people on the Everton team who heard it too,” said Boa Morte, “but they didn’t want to say anything. I had two or three really low weeks, I felt gutted.

“Why would I have taken it to the FA if the thing didn’t happen?”

Another one-off, I suppose. But how many isolated incidents do it take before the relevant authorities accept that there is a problem?

Racist chants at the Millwall Football Club last season; English international defender Jonathan Woodgate convicted for assaulting an Asian student in a nightclub; Newcastle and Welsh striker Craig Bellamy racially abused an Asian door man… A 2003 University report, supported by the PFA, found systematic exclusion of minorities at community clubs and ‘extremely poor’ numbers of non-whites in managerial and staff positions at football clubs.

It might not amount to much for some influential figures like Sullivan, but it means a great deal to the rest of us. It certainly means a great deal to me.

Racism in football, even the vile stuff we observed when Jamaica-born ex-England and Liverpool star John Barnes was routinely pelted with bananas, is merely the tip of the iceberg.

Manchester United star Rio Ferdinand recalled that he would be stopped and questioned roughly ten times a week by the police when he drove across London from Peckham to West Ham for training as a teenager-barely seven years ago.

Trinidad and Tobago and Portsmouth goalkeeper Shaka Hislop remembered when, at Newcastle, a group of youths screamed racial insults and ran towards him in a threatening manner at a gas station. Then, they recognised him and subsequently begged for autographs.

So what of blacks who are unprotected by celebrity status in England?

Those still referred to in some quarters here, as ‘darkie’, ‘coloured’ and ‘negro’—and those are the affectionate references.

It is not like Spain—or at least what we saw of them at that shameful international match—that is undisputed. But this does not necessarily mean it is significantly better.

The Race Relations Act, passed in 1976, makes it an offence to racially abuse or assault someone, which can result to the offender being expelled from a bar or sporting ground or, in violent cases, jailed up to 14 years.

While the British Government and anti-racists groups have made progress in silencing racists, there is the feeling that insufficient headway has been made in converting them. By and large, it has allowed passive racism to fester.

On Saturday, I was ejected from a train while returning from an afternoon in Birmingham. The train conductor suggested—rather vaguely—that I had stolen or fraudulently acquired my rail pass, although I had the relevant travel documents on me.

After a lively debate, in which I refused to pay a fine, I was told that we would stop at then next station to locate a policeman to which I readily agreed. Once we had both disembarked, the conductor hopped back on the train, though, leaving me at a desolate and extremely cold stop.

I have already arranged a meeting with Central Trains to pursue the matter, but it was not an isolated case.

Once, the Portsmouth Football Club secretary, when trying to describe me over the telephone to an official enlisted to take me towards the players’ dressing rooms, curiously explained to his listener: ‘you will know him when you see him’.

But, generally, you are made to feel an outsider without words.

Like the young white couple I attempted to help as they struggled to keep their stalled car from rolling down a hill in the early evening.

On seeing my approach, the lady left her male companion with the weight of the vehicle on his back and sprinted to the other side of the car. He gesticulated frantically for me to come no closer.

“No thank you, mate!”

Perhaps Barnes summed it up best last week when he was approached for comment on the Spanish scandal and surprised the journalist by insisting that England was in no position to take the moral high ground.

“Because we don’t hear it any more we think we’re getting rid of racism,” Barnes told the London Observer. “Please, let’s not all believe we’re much better in this country. The biggest thing for me is the hypocrisy of the people who were around 10 or 15 years ago when this was going on in English football.

“Why weren’t they saying anything then? Is it just politically correct to be doing it now?”

Silence, he explained, does not mean harmony.

“When you talk about kicking racism out of football,” he said, “people automatically assume you are talking about on the terraces and on the football field.

“But all racists have to do is keep their mouth shut for 90 minutes and they’re fine. It’s good that people are talking about it, but it’s how they’re talking. Let’s not believe that we are much better in this country.”

Another former Arsenal player and present youth team coach, Paul Davis, revealed that he was overlooked for promotion at Arsenal for the third time last September. Instead, Steve Bould was given the post although he had five years less experience and was markedly less qualified than Davis.

Davis, when he questioned the snub, was told by Arsenal that he did not have the ‘right personality’ for the job.

“It doesn’t make sense,” he said. “I obviously can’t say that it was racism because it wasn’t spelt out to me like that, but it wasn’t done properly. There were no appraisals, no proper information on candidates; basically it was one person making the decision.

“But [racism] is the hardest thing to accuse anyone of because how are you gonna prove it?”

Racism is scariest off the football field.

An undercover BBC investigation found ‘shocking and widespread’ racism at the Greater Manchester Police force last October, where policemen were taped boasting of victimising ‘pakis’ and ‘niggers’. Yet Home Secretary and British MP David Blunkett initially slammed the BBC for their ‘covert stunt’ before quickly back-pedalling after condemnation by anti-racism groups.

The BBC documentary was in response to a sharp rise in racially motivated crimes over the past decade. It is the same monster of racial prejudice that reared its head at Blackburn on Sunday.

Sullivan would have us look the other way.

Yorke did not!


Photo: Football fans in Turkey taunt black players with bananas.
(via CNN)


Photo: Former Liverpool and England star John Barnes backheels a banana in an iconic snap.
(via Daily Mail)

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Re: Black Lives Matter Football Thread.
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2020, 09:08:49 AM »
‘An issue for every single one of us!’ Shaka Hislop on the killing of George Floyd.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).


‘Riot is the language of the unheard’—Reverent Dr Martin Luther King Jr

George Floyd’s death has sparked riots and reactions like I have not witnessed during my lifetime. Coming at a time when the many faces of racism and racist reaction had already brought the conversation to the front pages.

From Ahmaud Arbery’s murder at the hand of vigilantes while out for a jog, to Christian Cooper having the police called on him because he asked a white lady to respect the law and put her dog on a leash. The spark to the great unrest came after a police officer literally squeezed the life out of George Floyd, in full view and fully appreciating that he was being filmed.

These incidents aren’t singular. They aren’t unusual. The short time frame between them isn’t unique. It has been happening for over four hundred years. The complaints of the black community have fallen on deaf ears for just as long. The unheard.

It should not be lost on anyone that this all comes during a global pandemic. A pandemic that has seen healthcare systems stretched to breaking points and politicians scrambling for solutions.

It comes weeks after white people the country over defied four-week stay at home orders, armed themselves with assault weapons, took over government buildings, demanding haircuts—if the vast majority of their signs are to be believed. Haircuts.

This all comes weeks after police were patrolling poorer neighbourhoods in New York beating and arresting people who were outside and not respecting social-distancing guidelines, but at the same time that very police force was handing out masks to people who were doing the same exact thing in the more affluent neighbourhoods of the city.

This is a political issue to be confronted, not a political football to be passed around. And the history of it has to be recognised and respected if it is to be dealt with effectively. Martin Luther King Jr went from hated and hunted by 67% of Americans to today being hurriedly quoted by the same group of people.

The president of the United States called Colin Kaepernick a ‘son of a bitch’ for peacefully protesting an end to police violence, yet fails to see any kind of hypocrisy in tweeting his support for all peaceful protests.

This is also an issue for every single one of us. To have those uncomfortable discussions with our kids and with each other. Being grateful for all that we’ve been blessed with is not enough, that is not our highest calling. Those conversations aren’t easy, nor should they be. But they should be honest.

There are books that we can read to our kids to help in beginning to understand some of the complex historical issues at hand. At the same time we have to do more than be grateful for what we have, for our blessings.

For those of us who are spiritual it may start with how we worship, or as simply as our Grace before meals. The message of empathy will be grounded and strengthened in our children if they hear us ask for it in our blessings.

The riots will end. As will the pandemic and its restrictions. The ‘normal’ that we have enjoyed or endured can be no more. We all have a place in shaping what that new normal looks like, let’s all play our parts.

Editor’s Note: Shaka Hislop is the honorary president of UK-based anti-racism group, Show Racism The Red Card. This letter was first published by SRTRC.

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Re: Black Lives Matter Football Thread.
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2020, 09:04:18 AM »
Big up, Demba Ba! :applause:

I can't begin to describe my reaction to that episode.
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2020, 07:03:51 AM »
Big up, Demba Ba! :applause:

I can't begin to describe my reaction to that episode.
I'm sure this will be an unpopular opinion, and I really don't want to get too involved in something that is deeply complicated and nuanced, but you'd have to be delusional to believe it wouldn't work the other way around (speaking both from personal experience and from the below)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pretty-fly-for-a-white-guy-629359

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Re: Black Lives Matter Football Thread.
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2021, 12:32:32 PM »
Is Black History Month and ah go choose de best 11 Black players to play in de EPL.

Name allyuh 11.
Tim Howard
Ashley Cole
William Gallas
Marcel Desailly
Kolo Toure
Thierry Henry
Sadio Mané
John Barnes
Michael Essien
Didier Drogba
Ian Wright


My subs: David James, Rio Ferdinand, Vincent Kompany, N'Golo Kanté, Patrick Vieira, Jerrel Floyd Hasselbaink, Yaya Toure.



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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2021, 12:54:50 PM »
Yuh brutal. Yuh leave out Yorke. Ah feel we should make naming a 7 player bench mandatory. No more than 7. To make it challenging.

1 GK
2 Fwds
2 Defenders
2 Midfielders
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2021, 01:21:19 PM »
My subs: David James, Rio Ferdinand, Vincent Kompany, N'Golo Kanté, Patrick Vieira, Jerrel Floyd Hasselbaink, Jay-Jay Okocha.

Seeker, Yorke cah make this side bor. Andy Cole and Less Ferdinand have better goal scoring records over Yorke.

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2021, 01:30:51 PM »
My subs: David James, Rio Ferdinand, Vincent Kompany, N'Golo Kanté, Patrick Vieira, Jerrel Floyd Hasselbaink, Jay-Jay Okocha.

Seeker, Yorke cah make this side bor. Andy Cole and Less Ferdinand have better goal scoring records over Yorke.

We live with our choices. :) Doh vex when yuh see Nwanko Kanu on my bench and Barnes in the mix.  ;D Ah seeing one of my presumptive starters on your bench. Likely my skipper.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2021, 01:59:06 PM »
Seeker, bring yuh team nah.

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2021, 07:03:24 PM »
Hey Sam. Good topic! Personally, I’d start Kompany and James as well as  Guillet  and Makele (best DM I’ve ever seen!) I think John Barnes missed out on EPL? If not, I’d have him too! 

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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2021, 07:17:31 PM »
Hey Sam. Good topic! Personally, I’d start Kompany and James as well as  Guillet  and Makele (best DM I’ve ever seen!) I think John Barnes missed out on EPL? If not, I’d have him too! 

Glad to see you back bro.

I forgot about John Barnes, was trying to figure what Barnes Seeker talking bout.

Yes, Barnes must be on my list, will edit it.

Post yuh team FS.

Ruud Gullit never played in de EPL.

Makelele was one way, Kante overly better.

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2021, 08:28:46 PM »
Howard
Cole
Van Dijk
Desailly
Lauren
Kanté
Viera(C)
Ramires
Henry
Drogba
Asprilla




Substitutes:
Hislop
Kompany
Walker
Townsend
Barnes
Mané
Yorke
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2021, 02:39:30 AM »
Seeker, bring yuh team nah.



Hey Sam, Gullit played nearly 50 EPL games for Chelsea around 1996!!

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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2021, 02:51:13 AM »
Seeker, bring yuh team nah.



I always recall John Terry saying he never realised how important Makele was until he wasn’t there! I also read that his strength was closing down channels right from when the Opposition GK was looking to release the ball!!

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2021, 10:21:36 AM »
Seeker, bring yuh team nah.



Hey Sam, Gullit played nearly 50 EPL games for Chelsea around 1996!!

Oh shit, you right.

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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2021, 10:23:04 AM »
Seeker, bring yuh team nah.



I always recall John Terry saying he never realised how important Makele was until he wasn’t there! I also read that his strength was closing down channels right from when the Opposition GK was looking to release the ball!!

It's a hard pick between Kante and Makelele, I will still pick Kante because he plays very well in modern football.

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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2021, 10:25:54 AM »
Howard
Cole
Van Dijk
Desailly
Lauren
Kanté
Viera(C)
Ramires
Henry
Drogba
Asprilla




Substitutes:
Hislop
Kompany
Walker
Townsend
Barnes
Mané
Yorke

Big team that, I forgot about Howard he was a boss for real, better than Shaka. James and Howard, going an fix meh team.

Townsend, Asprilla, he scored 9 goals for Newcastle  :rotfl:

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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2021, 10:41:03 AM »
 How many times yuh planning to change yuh team?  ;D
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2021, 11:12:16 AM »
Doh sleep on Andros. He adds a lot of dynamism and versatility to this venture. Recall there are only two subs per D, MK, F.  Andros can be deployed on both the left and right and points in between that the graphic doesn't allow. Ah not dependent on a Top 10 list. Ah considering synergies.

If Cole is injured, Lauren can play on the left and Walker on the right without conceding quality. Similarly, Desailly has substantial experience playing in the middle of the park. As such, that covers any contingencies needed in the middle. Viera and Kante are naturally complementary. And Kompany is natural replacement for Desailly if Desailly had to take up a MF assignment. Note, despite the subs limitation, I still have a squad with 4 players that can play CB.

Kante and Ramires provide industry and production on either side of the ball and across the field.

Of course, Hislop could start. No indictment there. In a way, he's on the bench because you initially had him in goal but sold your soul to FS.  :devil: and I deliberately decided to present a different look to what you presented.

Asprilla? Doh overly rely on stats.

If I had used a different formation, Yorke probably wouldn't be on the bench. But since he is, I thought ... send Howard and let Shaka keep Dwight from gehhin vex.  :P

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2021, 07:01:42 PM »
Ah trying a thing.... ;D

My 11.
Tim Howard
Ashley Cole
Virgil van Dijk
Rio Ferdinand
Kolo Toure
Thierry Henry
Sadio Mané
N'Golo Kanté
Michael Essien
Didier Drogba
Mohamed Salah


My subs: David James, Marcel Desailly, Vincent Kompany, John Barnes, Patrick Vieira, George Weah, Ian Wright.


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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2021, 09:29:38 PM »
BLM team , and Viv Anderson ain’t make ah team. Y’all fuhget or what ?

Add: Story of his life. Being overlooked that is. Best Right Back .

I also saw Lawrie Cunningham and Cyril Regis. Real men players, they had to be. Men would try to take them out just because.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/education/news-wires-white-papers-and-books/anderson-viv
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2021, 11:37:45 PM »
BLM team , and Viv Anderson ain’t make ah team. Y’all fuhget or what ?

Add: Story of his life. Being overlooked that is. Best Right Back .

I also saw Lawrie Cunningham and Cyril Regis. Real men players, they had to be. Men would try to take them out just because.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/education/news-wires-white-papers-and-books/anderson-viv

Premiership era is the focus.

Although Anderson had a season in the Prem, it's almost farcical to include him. Unquestionable shout for a First Division era XI.
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« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2021, 12:27:34 AM »
BLM team , and Viv Anderson ain’t make ah team. Y’all fuhget or what ?

Add: Story of his life. Being overlooked that is. Best Right Back .

I also saw Lawrie Cunningham and Cyril Regis. Real men players, they had to be. Men would try to take them out just because.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/education/news-wires-white-papers-and-books/anderson-viv

Premiership era is the focus.

Although Anderson had a season in the Prem, it's almost farcical to include him. Unquestionable shout for a First Division era XI.
Is a best Black Lives Matter Team right  ? Or Just who play recently.
Besides he was more effective for his time than many at Right Back today, IMO.

Viv Anderson made British sports history in 1978 when he became the first black soccer player to win a spot on the English national team. Anderson was one of several young black British athletes during this era who managed to break down barriers in a sport that was a bastion of national pride and, as a result, were often the target of racist taunts

However, if length of Prem is the standard and NOT BLM team.. then sure...Imagine how much fellas was getting their chance at Top Flight football in dem times, farless National Team. Bet yuh he or he parents or friends didn't sweet-talk him on no team.    ;) :devil:

Add: If them fellas does go thru tata to this day, imagine what they used to get back when.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmDc1DBscks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFeGEi74Z5E

ps: btw, Lebron is the GOAT in basketball.   :beermug:
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« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2021, 12:55:28 AM »
Well, lehwe pick a First Division BLM. Then a English league all time XI.

Sam called a "EPL" squad. Hence some of the discussion above about Gullit etc. We are almost 30 years past that season. I think it's a nostalgic call to override the RBs who have played post- Anderson. My memory of him is the First Division rather than 1992-93.

Join us. Pick yuh First Division XI. Although we might have to include 1 and 2.
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« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2021, 01:23:34 AM »
Well, lehwe pick a First Division BLM. Then a English league all time XI.

Sam called a "EPL" squad. Hence some of the discussion above about Gullit etc. We are almost 30 years past that season. I think it's a nostalgic call to override the RBs who have played post- Anderson. My memory of him is the First Division rather than 1992-93.

Join us. Pick yuh First Division XI. Although we might have to include 1 and 2.


Nah, I not knowledgeable enough to choose, didn't used to get games as we get now. Only knew Viv because was 1st Black face on England Ntl team. Saw him mostly in Highlights and WC Satellite broadcast we had to drive a few miles and pay good money at the time for.
I have no idea who was Club or Club players of the time. The International football was mostly all I got.
Was just tryin to make ah point.

"The competition was founded as the FA Premier League on 20 February 1992 following the decision of clubs in the Football League First Division to break away from the Football League, founded in 1888, and take advantage of a lucrative television rights deal."
Anderson was 36 at that time, I imagine he was slowing down.

Then later we were getting one game every Saturday morning, most of which I missed. hangover !  :laugh: I hardly know the clubs even today. Unless somebody I could relate to playing (ah Yorke, ah KJ, ah Stern, even ah Antonio Davies - BM), I does fall asleep. Age eh !  :-[

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« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2021, 02:05:04 AM »
Aight, ah know what could work ... since yuh carry us down this road. And, it will be a tribute in the spirit of  this thread. I will once again dip into the 70s. Hold tight. Ah going to bring de detonator.
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Oh gorm..Yuh not go leh meh sleep. Thanks Guy. Football Saturday morning once again .  :rotfl:

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« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2021, 04:56:57 AM »
Honestly speaking EPL/Div. 1 argument is all semantics. Yes the change from one to the other did brought about changes to the game. The primary change was money. The agreement also had a money sharing deal. The lower clubs got money and, correct me on this, the demoted clubs got a sizable amount of money from the EPL for a two year period ? But with the amount of money the EPL teams started to raid the lower div. teams of their best players. The EPL stack their teams for CL and Europa and unforseen injuries. But EPL is basically Div.1 and Championship is Div. 2.  Liverpool has won the league 19 times. One EPL only. Does that make ManU better than them. The taunting of players(especially Black) had lessened quite a bit by the time the EPL came about. But these behaviours come and go. It never stops. The reason why it waned is because the authorities started prosecuting fans and fining clubs. Clubs in turn had to banish some fans.

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« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2021, 06:38:10 AM »
Viv Anderson made British sports history in 1978 when he became the first black soccer player to win a spot on the English national team. Anderson was one of several young black British athletes ......

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united-nostalgia-reaney-was-best-according-legend-george-556133

This is up for debate you know. So in the late 60s Leeds United knocked Manchester, Liverpool, Arsenal, etc off their perch by winning the 1968-69 Div1. They had 2 coloured(mixed race players) on their team. One was a South African named Albert Jahnsen(not sure). I never saw the Albert guy play. And Paul Reaney, an excellent RB.  I did see him play when TTT used to bring on Star Soccer, the week after games were played. He played 3 games for England and was on the squad approaching the 1970 WC. He had a broken leg right before the WC.
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