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Saw England national team play yesterday v Denmark, if England could get 3 consecutive passes together, they would be lucky, Denmark run rings around them and they lucky to end up with a draw.

And this is not de first time, England always have this problem, and under many different coaches.

Even when they won the world cup in 1966, they got a cheated first goal that take Germany out they game and eventually they win it.

De EPL is one of de strongest leagues in de world and look at they NT.

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Re: Having a good league doesn't guarentee you have a good national team
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2020, 06:51:57 AM »
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...In the opening 35 minutes Jadon Sancho, one of the most exciting young attacking midfielders in Europe, touched the ball 10 times. Englandís twin holding players touched it 50 times. Sometimes numbers tell you things.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/sep/08/southgate-takes-caution-a-little-too-far-to-blunt-englands-threat

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Re: Having a good league doesn't guarentee you have a good national team
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2020, 08:26:31 PM »
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...In the opening 35 minutes Jadon Sancho, one of the most exciting young attacking midfielders in Europe, touched the ball 10 times. Englandís twin holding players touched it 50 times. Sometimes numbers tell you things.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/sep/08/southgate-takes-caution-a-little-too-far-to-blunt-englands-threat

Hence the sabotage of our national team...

They donít want TT football to be great which is what it can be if we have a solid program that isnít constantly sabotaged..

It would mean wc qualification every 4 years

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Re: Having a good league doesn't guarentee you have a good national team
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2020, 09:29:09 AM »
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...In the opening 35 minutes Jadon Sancho, one of the most exciting young attacking midfielders in Europe, touched the ball 10 times. Englandís twin holding players touched it 50 times. Sometimes numbers tell you things.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/sep/08/southgate-takes-caution-a-little-too-far-to-blunt-englands-threat

Hence the sabotage of our national team...

They donít want TT football to be great which is what it can be if we have a solid program that isnít constantly sabotaged..

It would mean wc qualification every 4 years

Contro, just so out of blue ?

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Re: Having a good league doesn't guarentee you have a good national team
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2020, 09:41:46 AM »
England football and the national team are a real enigma. Yes, the have the top league in the world and probably right now, Liverpool as the best team in the world. They have some very good young players. Among Man. City, ManU, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal,Liverpool and other teams there are more than 20 very good and skillful English bred players that the coach can select. But somehow when these guys play for the national team, they underwhelm. Many a times the coaches don't have the right line up. Like the last game, they had 3" laborers" in the middle. No creativity. How the hell Sancho go perform well. This man is currently being pegged at a 100 mill. on transfer list. But I still feel England still are not producing the players with the "midas touch". In the EPL, almost all the players with the so-called midas-touch are foreigners.

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Re: Having a good league doesn't guarentee you have a good national team
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2020, 04:40:53 PM »
England football and the national team are a real enigma. Yes, the have the top league in the world and probably right now, Liverpool as the best team in the world.

I real waste my time watching Champions' League this year bai. And last world cup I guess England had the best team too? or was it Argentina?  (nevermind not making semis).
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2020, 12:46:15 AM »
Donít mean to be disrespectful to the initial poster but i must say that youíre very very wrong mate. england despite what the critics might suggest, has been very consistent in the last eight years and has exceeded expectation by qualifying for the world cup and euros consecutively in over a decade, and in the last five years has beaten their opposition and has topped all their groups in qualifications quite convincingly.

sometimes teams have the one off unusual bad game, which is what I think happened vs Denmark, but England for the most part has been a solid unit and quite dominant, at least from my prospective. I think it was just a bad performance, and nothing more.

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Re: Having a good league doesn't guarentee you have a good national team
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2020, 04:21:14 AM »
A good league would help Trinidad though, as our best talent don't reliably get access to professional coaching like other nations might.

On England - it's still the youth coaching. They aren't taught enough tactical flexibility from young (although this has changed recently). They come from clubs where the system is set and they've had week-in-week-out training, and then go to the National Team with a different set-up once every couple months. It's not like Spain, France, Portugal and Germany where the NT plays similar and there's more of a set culture.

Having said that, one bad result doesn't make the team - this is a team that blitzed qualification last time round and got to the Semi's (playing underwhelming football admittedly). We would have been destroyed by France all the same, but overall we are flat-track bullies. Ultimately, you'd rather have a league like England and underperform than what we have now right?

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Re: Having a good league doesn't guarentee you have a good national team
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2020, 09:47:05 AM »
Tiresais, is not about results bro, you can't be happy the way Eng;and play and have been playing.

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Re: Having a good league doesn't guarentee you have a good national team
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2020, 08:25:18 AM »
Having a league period does not guarantee anything?  Let's look at Caribbean countries ahead of us in their current play without a league.

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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2020, 10:41:19 PM »
Tiresais, is not about results bro, you can't be happy the way Eng;and play and have been playing.

I mean at this point it's almost the national style - nothing will be fixed soon, but it is changing with plaers like Sancho and Ali coming through.

Bear in mind as fans we've gone through a lot of crap since 1998 in terms of the national team.

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Re: Having a good league doesn't guarentee you have a good national team
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2020, 09:52:53 AM »
England and Belgium are on the menu right now. Let's see what is brought to the table today. Kane is on the bench due to an injury concern. Southgate vs Martinez.

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Re: Having a good league doesn't guarentee you have a good national team
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2020, 12:06:56 AM »
England played well, especially in the 2nd half. The game was a slug fest. Kyle Walker had a very good game.

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Re: Having a good league doesn't guarentee you have a good national team
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2020, 07:10:38 AM »
Wasnít sure where this goes.

How S32.01 of Amazing Race will do more for our footballers and all of TT than going to a World Cup ever did, especially during these pandemic times .

We need to get ourselves ready for that influx and stage by cleaning up some of our social ills, especially criminal activities, violence and homicides.

Idiom idiocy or pipe dream ?
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Re: Having a good league doesn't guarentee you have a good national team
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2023, 11:53:43 AM »
 Which national league has ever guarantee a country automatic world cup qualification?

 

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