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Foundational Black Americans / ADOS
« on: May 26, 2022, 03:22:04 PM »
We should stay and build our own as we undermine the descendants of slaves. Anti immigration views are on the rise. Have Caribbean and African black  immigrants undermine African Americans.

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Re: Foundational Black Americans / ADOS
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2022, 01:35:41 AM »
We should stay and build our own as we undermine the descendants of slaves. Anti immigration views are on the rise. Have Caribbean and African black  immigrants undermine African Americans.

https://officialfba.com/

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Authoritative ignorance that won't end well.

No more internal power struggle;
We come together to overcome the little trouble.
Soon we'll find out who is the real revolutionary,
'Cause I don't want my people to be contrary.
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Re: Foundational Black Americans / ADOS
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2022, 07:58:53 AM »
These "voices" are all over the place. The attorney with Guyana roots ignorantly declared there is no income tax in Guyana.

The political candidate with Gullah ancestry is making an argument easily dismantled by multiple interrogations --- not the least of which is exploded by a simple question: how did the Gullah become the Gullah?

The candidate with Haitian roots has framed his contentions poorly and struggled to express them.

The other voice ...  uninformed danger.

Did not know Fox Soul was a thing, although sort of remotely recall the Murdoch announcement. Well done, Rupert?

Just randomly sampled parts of the video. Cyah dedicate more time to jackassness.

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Re: Foundational Black Americans / ADOS
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2022, 03:35:48 PM »
These "voices" are all over the place. The attorney with Guyana roots ignorantly declared there is no income tax in Guyana.

The political candidate with Gullah ancestry is making an argument easily dismantled by multiple interrogations --- not the least of which is exploded by a simple question: how did the Gullah become the Gullah?

The candidate with Haitian roots has framed his contentions poorly and struggled to express them.

The other voice ...  uninformed danger.

Did not know Fox Soul was a thing, although sort of remotely recall the Murdoch announcement. Well done, Rupert?

Just randomly sampled parts of the video. Cyah dedicate more time to jackassness.


That  voice has a huge following .... i am pretty sure you know about him .and this guy below also

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Re: Foundational Black Americans / ADOS
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2022, 03:41:55 PM »
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Re: Foundational Black Americans / ADOS
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2022, 08:33:16 PM »
Some of what Johnson says reminds me of the charlatanisms of Watson Duke in Laventille. However, whereas Duke doesn't believe everything he utters, Johnson does.

Huge gulf positionally between Johnson and Nasheed (Pan Africanism and its diametric opposition to a separatist anti-migration stance).


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Re: Foundational Black Americans / ADOS
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2022, 09:05:10 PM »
These "voices" are all over the place. The attorney with Guyana roots ignorantly declared there is no income tax in Guyana.

The political candidate with Gullah ancestry is making an argument easily dismantled by multiple interrogations --- not the least of which is exploded by a simple question: how did the Gullah become the Gullah?

The candidate with Haitian roots has framed his contentions poorly and struggled to express them.

The other voice ...  uninformed danger.

Did not know Fox Soul was a thing, although sort of remotely recall the Murdoch announcement. Well done, Rupert?

Just randomly sampled parts of the video. Cyah dedicate more time to jackassness.


That  voice has a huge following .... i am pretty sure you know about him and this guy below also

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/a2vHwDvgUWI&amp;t=919s" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/a2vHwDvgUWI&amp;t=919s</a>

That's common for populist messages. Appeal to the base, include some truisms, scapegoat or parody some persons, and be charismatic. Avoid examination of other less than certain assertions.

How large would you say?

One of the longstanding problematics in the US is a failure to educate new citizens, new residents and new arrivals sufficiently about the history and experience of African Americans. No surprise that the breach exists --- it is not a narrative that has particularly interested the dominant culture for itself.

The foundational problem lies there and in the effects of other institutional arms of the American societal experience. Chicken plants? Neither Mexican immigrants nor diasporic Africans are swelling the ranks of fire departments, plumbing bodies, etc. Why not? The chicken plant argument is a conveniently low-hanging target.

The actions of chicken plant decision-makers and hiring authorities are not dissimilar in effect to the actions of government policymakers and legislators who have de-emphasized and negated public education regarding the history of people of African descent in America.
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Re: Foundational Black Americans / ADOS
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2022, 02:10:37 AM »
To support the comment above ----

Have a look at the Civics test presented to "new Americans" (generally after 5 years of residing in the US).

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/2020test

The experience of African Americans is reduced to Q. #60.

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Q: What group of people was taken to America and sold as slaves?

  • Africans
  • people from Africa

Who is responsible for that disrespectful state of affairs? Diasporic Africans? No!

Who has been complicit in that disrespectful state of affairs (that is, what others are sensitized to about ("learn about") the historical contribution of the African presence to American society)?

"Foundational Black Americans" without a doubt.

The other questions that invoke reference to the African presence in America are Qs 74, 75, 76, 84, 85 and 100. There is very little there that imputes agency to black people or that values post-enslavement or that characterizes contribution or achievement and conveys that to the immigrant from Burkina Faso or Pakistan or Vietnam or China or Ireland or wherever else. So, "foundational Black American" advocates can continue to shadow box.

 ... without mention being made of Kwame Ture, Shirley Chisholm, James Weldon Johnson and a world of others whose injection into the debate would injure their contentions.

Bottom line ---

That's what a class of documented migrants are exposed to (those who "got in line"). That leaves the undocumented to form conclusions based on everyday experience, popular culture and structural racism whether they work in a chicken plant, hog processing plant or are standing outside a social services building wondering what it is.

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Re: Foundational Black Americans / ADOS
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2022, 11:38:07 AM »
These two fellas think that if they just get rid of the immigrants then black americans will get the help they need. Naive.
They did mention Kwame Ture aka Stokely Carmichael but I think the fella, the filmmaker, has an unreasonable expectation of black immigrants.
Since he hasn't seen more Tures, that means that recent black immigrants don't stand with black americans.
They sound like they don't know much about black caribbean immigrants but really think they do.
The Guyanese made a good point about being discouraged from even discussing issues by black americans. It happens.

Their ideas would have been easily rebutted by a more prepared debater.



 

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