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So what should be the punishment for this guy?

well, i expecking a big discussion on this since i see this thread where man spend real time and analyse whether is 8 or 10 or 6.5 years like dey holding de scales demselves. de calibration of justice in de justice system is real accurate!

Say yuh eh understand it and done. ::)

some does pretend to understand it.

We can agree on that.  :rotfl:

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The man sick, he sick, he sick.

Like he didn't like the Michele girl at all at all. They say she had the most injuries/worst beatings.

She had broken bones in her face which had healed and hearing loss.

Then she told the police that she got pregnant five times but he used to starve her and punch he repeatedly in the stomach to make her miscarry. :(
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 Ah have to commend you for being more responsible on this thread than you were on the Trayvon Martin thread.
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... P.S. ribbit:

 Ah have to commend you for being more responsible on this thread than you were on the Trayvon Martin thread.

Doh start de man nah. Please.
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... P.S. ribbit:

 Ah have to commend you for being more responsible on this thread than you were on the Trayvon Martin thread.

Doh start de man nah. Please.

Yuh right. At least here he's smart enough not to blame the victims.

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The man sick, he sick, he sick.

Like he didn't like the Michele girl at all at all. They say she had the most injuries/worst beatings.

She had broken bones in her face which had healed and hearing loss.

Then she told the police that she got pregnant five times but he used to starve her and punch he repeatedly in the stomach to make her miscarry. :(

Not to dissect an already gut wrenching story but ... yuh would think if pregnancy was his concern that he would have found other reasonable means of addressing that.

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The man sick, he sick, he sick.

Like he didn't like the Michele girl at all at all. They say she had the most injuries/worst beatings.

She had broken bones in her face which had healed and hearing loss.

Then she told the police that she got pregnant five times but he used to starve her and punch he repeatedly in the stomach to make her miscarry. :(

Not to dissect an already gut wrenching story but ... yuh would think if pregnancy was his concern that he would have found other reasonable means of addressing that.

The man is clearly a sadist - he probably got some sick pleasure out of it.

I can't imagine what those girls went through nah. 10 years of absolute terror. 10 years. Every time you hear the front door open, or his foot-steps on the stairs you know it's another horror about to happen. Thank goodness they got out.
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By Erin McClam, Staff Writer, NBC News
A judge set bond Thursday at $8 million for Ariel Castro, the Cleveland man accused of kidnapping three women and subjecting them to a horrific decade of imprisonment, rape and beatings.

Castro, 52, is charged with four counts of kidnapping — for each of the three women and for a daughter that one woman bore in captivity. The bond figure reflected $2 million for each of the four cases. He is also charged with three counts of rape.

Judge Lauren C. Moore of Cleveland city court also ordered Castro to have “absolutely no contact” with the victims or their families.

Ariel Castro, accused of holding three Cleveland women captive in his home for a decade.
Castro, wearing what appeared to be a dark blue prison jumpsuit, looked at the floor for most of a brief arraignment hearing. He did not enter a plea or address the judge.

“Today the situation’s turned, Your Honor. Mr. Castro stands before you a captive, in captivity, a prisoner,” prosecutor Brian Murphy said. “The women are free to resume their lives.”

Murphy described the kidnappings as a “horrifying ordeal” and said that Castro had acted on “premeditated, deliberate and depraved decisions to snatch three young ladies from Cleveland’s West Side streets, to be used in whatever self-gratifying, self-serving way he saw fit.”

A daring escape and a dramatic 911 call led to the rescue of three women who allegedly had been held captive for years inside a home in Cleveland, Ohio.
The prosecutor described the escape of one woman and the rescue of the other two as miraculous.

Investigators, in their initial search of Castro’s house, found a suicide note that he wrote in 2004. Castro said in the note that he was abused as a child.

A public defender assigned to Castro, Kathleen DeMetz, said that Castro would be moved to a county jail. Getting out would require putting up $800,000 cash, she said, and “he clearly doesn’t have that.”

DeMetz said that she expected he would be placed under “extreme protective custody” and perhaps put on suicide watch.

On Wednesday, as two of the women returned home to jubilant crowds, rejoined their families and began adjusting to life in open society, a Cleveland police report laid out gruesome details of their captivity.

Castro lured each of the women — Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus and Michelle Knight — between 2002 and 2004 by offering them rides, the report said. It said he chained each of them in the basement before allowing them to live on the second floor.

Knight told police that Castro had impregnated her at least five times, and forced her to miscarry by punching her in the stomach, the report said. It said that Knight was forced to deliver Berry’s baby in a kiddie pool six years ago, and that Castro threatened to kill Knight if the baby died. The child survived.

Authorities said they had no evidence that two of Castro’s brothers who were arrested Monday night were involved in the kidnappings.

Those brothers also appeared in court Thursday on charges unrelated to the abductions. Pedro Castro pleaded no contest to a 2011 charge related to an open container of alcohol. The judge dismissed a 12-year-old case against the other brother, Onil Castro. DeMetz said that the charges against Onil Castro were misdemeanors, an open-container charge and a drug charge.

 Berry staged a daring escape Monday night, breaking part of the way through a storm door and screaming for help before a neighbor, Chuck Ramsey, ran to her rescue. Berry made a frantic call to 911 and pleaded for police help.

There remain many unanswered questions in the kidnappings, including why there were no witnesses and how it was possible that no one else knew that they were being held.

“Ariel kept everyone at a distance,” Ed Tomba, the deputy Cleveland police chief, told reporters Wednesday.

DeJesus, now 23, offered a thumbs-up as she returned home Wednesday. Berry, 27, was spirited into her sister’s house out of the view of reporters. Knight, 32, remained in a Cleveland hospital undergoing mental health treatment, her mother said.

Craig Melvin of NBC News contributed to this report. Reuters also contributed.

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How the ordeal started
Knight was 21 on August 22, 2002, when Castro lured her into his vehicle along Cleveland's Lorain Avenue, according to charging documents. Castro took her back to his home on Seymour Avenue, about three miles away, and didn't let her go.
Knight was sexually assaulted multiple times, the documents state. Soon, others joined her.
Berry experienced a similar nightmare on April 21, 2003 -- the eve of her 17th birthday. She was walking home from her job at Burger King that night when Castro told her his son also worked at Burger King and offered her a ride home, the initial police report states.
Almost exactly a year later, they were joined by DeJesus, then 14 years old.
They remained in that hell until Monday evening, when Berry got to a door and screamed for help. Hearing her cries, Ramsey and Cordero kicked in the door to help her escape.
According to Cordero, Berry's 6-year-old daughter ran out of the house, too, wearing only a diaper and a sullied shirt. Police are conducting a DNA test to determine the child's paternity.
"Help me, I am Amanda Berry," the victim begged a 911 operator from Ramsey's house. "I've been kidnapped, and I've been missing for 10 years. And I'm here, I'm free now."

Knight and DeJesus didn't run out of the house with Berry, even though they could have, said the law enforcement source with direct knowledge of the case. The source described the Knight and DeJesus as brainwashed and fearful.
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I wonder how Amanda found the impetus to try to escape...how she kept her presence of mind.
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now ah reading de police had a sketch of the dejesus's abductor and dey executed a traffic stop on him a few years later. police doh need to connect dots. neither do the fbi. nothing to see here.

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Authorities said they had no evidence that two of Castro’s brothers who were arrested Monday night were involved in the kidnappings.

Those brothers also appeared in court Thursday on charges unrelated to the abductions. Pedro Castro pleaded no contest to a 2011 charge related to an open container of alcohol. The judge dismissed a 12-year-old case against the other brother, Onil Castro. DeMetz said that the charges against Onil Castro were misdemeanors, an open-container charge and a drug charge.

Yet police arrest them and broadcas their image to the world making it seem as though is the three of them who organize and carry out this whole thing.

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now ah reading de police had a sketch of the dejesus's abductor and dey executed a traffic stop on him a few years later. police doh need to connect dots. neither do the fbi. nothing to see here.

are you suggesting that police cross reference everyone who is stopped for a traffic offence against a database of sketches?

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Authorities said they had no evidence that two of Castro’s brothers who were arrested Monday night were involved in the kidnappings.

Those brothers also appeared in court Thursday on charges unrelated to the abductions. Pedro Castro pleaded no contest to a 2011 charge related to an open container of alcohol. The judge dismissed a 12-year-old case against the other brother, Onil Castro. DeMetz said that the charges against Onil Castro were misdemeanors, an open-container charge and a drug charge.

Yet police arrest them and broadcas their image to the world making it seem as though is the three of them who organize and carry out this whole thing.

That's fine...stigmatize dey ol backsides...collateral damage,, wuhever

It have no way dem could be livin in da lil 2x4 house and not know it have three woman and ah baby chain up in de basement.....even if they decide to turn ah blind eye, leh dem feel de heat of global exposure for complicity
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now ah reading de police had a sketch of the dejesus's abductor and dey executed a traffic stop on him a few years later. police doh need to connect dots. neither do the fbi. nothing to see here.

are you suggesting that police cross reference everyone who is stopped for a traffic offence against a database of sketches?

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Authorities said they had no evidence that two of Castro’s brothers who were arrested Monday night were involved in the kidnappings.

Those brothers also appeared in court Thursday on charges unrelated to the abductions. Pedro Castro pleaded no contest to a 2011 charge related to an open container of alcohol. The judge dismissed a 12-year-old case against the other brother, Onil Castro. DeMetz said that the charges against Onil Castro were misdemeanors, an open-container charge and a drug charge.

Yet police arrest them and broadcas their image to the world making it seem as though is the three of them who organize and carry out this whole thing.

That's fine...stigmatize dey ol backsides...collateral damage,, wuhever

It have no way dem could be livin in da lil 2x4 house and not know it have three woman and ah baby chain up in de basement.....even if they decide to turn ah blind eye, leh dem feel de heat of global exposure for complicity

Dutty... earlier it was said that the brothers did not live in the house.

Now they may have very well known along with other family members but nothing we see so far has indicated that, other than they were picked up by the police in the first place.
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de news ppl up here backward oui...all this time I tort all 3 of them fellahs livin dey
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de news ppl up here backward oui...all this time I tort all 3 of them fellahs livin dey

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de news ppl up here backward oui...all this time I tort all 3 of them fellahs livin dey

Not only did they NOT live there... neighbors never saw anyone going there but Ariel.  He was the only one neighbors ever see going into or out of the house, they never even saw any of his family members there.

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Cleveland prosecutors may seek death penalty for kidnap suspect Ariel Castro

Officials say they intend to pursue charges of kidnap and sexual assault, as well as aggravated murder, against 52-year-old

Prosecutors in Ohio have said they may seek the death penalty in the case of the former school bus driver accused of the kidnap and rape of three women held prisoner at his home for years.

Ariel Castro, 52, made his first court appearance on Thursday when a judge set bond at $8m. The size of the bond means he is likely to remain in jail for some time. His court-appointed lawyer said he was unemployed and had little money.

At a news conference later, county prosecutor Timothy McGinty said that his office intends to pursue charges of kidnapping and sexual assault, as well as aggravated murder, which could carry the death penalty.

The aggravated murder charges would stem from the forced miscarriages that police say were suffered by one of the women at the hands of Castro, 52, who is accused of holding them captive at his house in west Cleveland. "The law of Ohio calls for the death penalty for those most depraved criminals who commit aggravated murder during the course of a kidnapping," McGinty said.

The city of Cleveland has already filed kidnapping and rape charges against Castro, who appeared briefly in a municipal court on Thursday. Castro was silent during the hearing, looking at the ground, biting his collar and signing documents with his handcuffed hands.

Brian Murphy, the assistant prosecuting attorney at Cuyahoga County, told Judge Lauren Moore that Castro's home "was a prison to these three women and the child". He added: "Today the situation is turned on him. Mr Castro stands before you a captive, in captivity, a prisoner."

Castro face threes counts of rape, relating to the women, and four counts of kidnap, which include the child. He did not enter a plea. The Guardian does not usually identify the victims of sexual assault but the names of the three women were circulated widely by family and law enforcement agencies for years during their disappearance.

Continued...http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/09/cleveland-prosecutors-death-penalty-kidnapping-suspect

The aggravated murder charge is most interesting.
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And I'm glad they're charging him for every single act of sexual violence, assault, etc.
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I hope he gets his own medicine prison
I pity the fool....

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now ah reading de police had a sketch of the dejesus's abductor and dey executed a traffic stop on him a few years later. police doh need to connect dots. neither do the fbi. nothing to see here.

are you suggesting that police cross reference everyone who is stopped for a traffic offence against a database of sketches?

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And I'm glad they're charging him for every single act of sexual violence, assault, etc.

That's pretty routine.

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ah reading castro would show them the vigils for de jesus and berry on the TV. knight's family didn't hold any vigils. plus knight had lost custody of her child. she must be going through some real sh*t now eh. poor gyul.

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ah reading castro would show them the vigils for de jesus and berry on the TV. knight's family didn't hold any vigils. plus knight had lost custody of her child. she must be going through some real sh*t now eh. poor gyul.

The man daughter was friends with DeJesus and in another report they had a clip of her being interviewed on TV after the girl was kidnapped back in the day.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ariel-castro-daughter-apologizes-kidnap-victim-article-1.1339323

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ah reading castro would show them the vigils for de jesus and berry on the TV. knight's family didn't hold any vigils. plus knight had lost custody of her child. she must be going through some real sh*t now eh. poor gyul.

The man daughter was friends with DeJesus and in another report they had a clip of her being interviewed on TV after the girl was kidnapped back in the day.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ariel-castro-daughter-apologizes-kidnap-victim-article-1.1339323

holy 4k, i even know the depths this woman gorn through. her first child was a result of a gang rape ?!?!  what the 4k ?!!?! and now this happen?! ah cyah believe this. this woman need to pull a lebron and get de hell out of cleveland oui.

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Cleveland abductions: Do white victims get more attention?



Three young women disappeared in Cleveland. Media coverage of their cases illustrates stereotypes about race.

Charles Ramsey heard someone screaming in a nearby house. Luckily, he managed to help the woman, Amanda Berry, who was in distress.

Because of his efforts, she, Gina DeJesus and Michelle Knight escaped from the house in Cleveland where they were held captive for a decade or more.

"I knew something was wrong when a little, pretty white girl ran into a black man's arms," Ramsey said later.

"Something is wrong here. Dead giveaway."

As it turned out, Ramsey's assessment was a twist on what is known among media critics as the Missing White Woman Syndrome.

Charlton McIlwain, a professor at New York University and the author of Race Appeal: How Candidates Invoke Race in US Political Campaigns, defines the syndrome: "White women occupy a privileged role as violent crime victims in news media reporting."

In other words, the victim is white and middle class. Ideally, she is saved - by a white guy.

"Our victims are colour-coded," says McIlwain. A proper victim is one who looks like a journalist, he says.

"Research shows that in terms of crime victims, they are people who we view as being like us - like those who are covering the events or reading about them," he says.

"Our national ideal of who is vulnerable - and who holds victim status - are those who are white and female."

The perception of victimhood is partly a media creation.

In truth, nearly half of those individuals who go missing in the US are not white - though one might not know that from the news coverage.

Berry was abducted in April 2003 and DeJesus a year later. They were children when they vanished, and their families were desperate to find them.

Yet the coverage of their abductions was dramatically different.

In Cleveland, the newspaper stories were mainly about the white girl.


In the 10 years Berry was missing, the Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper published 36 articles about her, according to a search of electronic news archive Lexis-Nexis.

During the nine-year period that DeJesus, who is Hispanic, was missing, the newspaper published 19 articles about her case.


The coverage of these two cases reflects an overall trend in the media.

According to a 2010 academic study, roughly 80% of the news coverage about missing children is devoted to victims who are not black, while only 20% is given to children who are black.

The breakdown in media coverage does not reflect reality. "We have a sort of racial hierarchy," says McIlwain.

The coverage of violent crime and of people who have disappeared is biased and hurtful, says Natalie Wilson, co-founder of the Black and Missing Foundation, which fights racial stereotypes in the media.

She first came across the stereotypes in crime reporting when she heard about a 24-year-old black woman, Tamika Huston, who went missing in Spartanburg, South Carolina, in 2004.

Journalists seemed indifferent.

"The family really struggled to get any coverage whatsoever," says Wilson.

Wilson knows she cannot change the outcome of these cases. Many end in tragedy. More than a year after Huston's disappearance, a former boyfriend pleaded guilty to her murder.

Yet at least the story has been reported - and her family knows what happened to her.

In some cases, it takes years to sort out the truth.

Some families who have lost a loved one only manage with help from an organisation like the Black and Missing Foundation or from a prominent activist.

Stephen Lawrence, 19, was stabbed by white thugs who used a racial slur in London in April 1993. His murder hardly caused a stir in the national media. After a fortnight, Stephen's family held a press conference to complain not enough was being done by police to catch the killers. Then Nelson Mandela got involved.

Last year the killers, Gary Dobson and David Norris, were sentenced to life in prison for the killing.

Experts say that all too often when crimes are committed against people of colour the cases remain unsolved. And no one except their families seems to care.

The case in Cleveland shone a spotlight on the cases of missing children.

Experts hope that this will make more people pay attention to those who have disappeared, regardless of the colour of their skin.


Indeed, the story may help to remind journalists - and their audiences - that crime cuts across racial lines. It may have another positive aspect, too.

Charles Ramsey helped to save Berry, DeJesus and Knight from their prison. He was also blunt.

"Ramsey just called it like he saw it," says Farai Chideya, author of The Color of Our Future: Race in the 21st Century.

"People say, 'Wow, he's representing our race, and he's doing something really awesome - but why can't he comb his hair?'

"I think it's healthy to expand the notion of what a good black man is. You don't have to have a full set of teeth to be a hero."
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Cleveland abductions: Do white victims get more attention?



Three young women disappeared in Cleveland. Media coverage of their cases illustrates stereotypes about race.

Charles Ramsey heard someone screaming in a nearby house. Luckily, he managed to help the woman, Amanda Berry, who was in distress.

Because of his efforts, she, Gina DeJesus and Michelle Knight escaped from the house in Cleveland where they were held captive for a decade or more.

"I knew something was wrong when a little, pretty white girl ran into a black man's arms," Ramsey said later.

"Something is wrong here. Dead giveaway."

As it turned out, Ramsey's assessment was a twist on what is known among media critics as the Missing White Woman Syndrome.

Charlton McIlwain, a professor at New York University and the author of Race Appeal: How Candidates Invoke Race in US Political Campaigns, defines the syndrome: "White women occupy a privileged role as violent crime victims in news media reporting."

In other words, the victim is white and middle class. Ideally, she is saved - by a white guy.

"Our victims are colour-coded," says McIlwain. A proper victim is one who looks like a journalist, he says.

"Research shows that in terms of crime victims, they are people who we view as being like us - like those who are covering the events or reading about them," he says.

"Our national ideal of who is vulnerable - and who holds victim status - are those who are white and female."

The perception of victimhood is partly a media creation.

In truth, nearly half of those individuals who go missing in the US are not white - though one might not know that from the news coverage.

Berry was abducted in April 2003 and DeJesus a year later. They were children when they vanished, and their families were desperate to find them.

Yet the coverage of their abductions was dramatically different.

In Cleveland, the newspaper stories were mainly about the white girl.


In the 10 years Berry was missing, the Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper published 36 articles about her, according to a search of electronic news archive Lexis-Nexis.

During the nine-year period that DeJesus, who is Hispanic, was missing, the newspaper published 19 articles about her case.


The coverage of these two cases reflects an overall trend in the media.

According to a 2010 academic study, roughly 80% of the news coverage about missing children is devoted to victims who are not black, while only 20% is given to children who are black.

The breakdown in media coverage does not reflect reality. "We have a sort of racial hierarchy," says McIlwain.

The coverage of violent crime and of people who have disappeared is biased and hurtful, says Natalie Wilson, co-founder of the Black and Missing Foundation, which fights racial stereotypes in the media.

She first came across the stereotypes in crime reporting when she heard about a 24-year-old black woman, Tamika Huston, who went missing in Spartanburg, South Carolina, in 2004.

Journalists seemed indifferent.

"The family really struggled to get any coverage whatsoever," says Wilson.

Wilson knows she cannot change the outcome of these cases. Many end in tragedy. More than a year after Huston's disappearance, a former boyfriend pleaded guilty to her murder.

Yet at least the story has been reported - and her family knows what happened to her.

In some cases, it takes years to sort out the truth.

Some families who have lost a loved one only manage with help from an organisation like the Black and Missing Foundation or from a prominent activist.

Stephen Lawrence, 19, was stabbed by white thugs who used a racial slur in London in April 1993. His murder hardly caused a stir in the national media. After a fortnight, Stephen's family held a press conference to complain not enough was being done by police to catch the killers. Then Nelson Mandela got involved.

Last year the killers, Gary Dobson and David Norris, were sentenced to life in prison for the killing.

Experts say that all too often when crimes are committed against people of colour the cases remain unsolved. And no one except their families seems to care.

The case in Cleveland shone a spotlight on the cases of missing children.

Experts hope that this will make more people pay attention to those who have disappeared, regardless of the colour of their skin.


Indeed, the story may help to remind journalists - and their audiences - that crime cuts across racial lines. It may have another positive aspect, too.

Charles Ramsey helped to save Berry, DeJesus and Knight from their prison. He was also blunt.

"Ramsey just called it like he saw it," says Farai Chideya, author of The Color of Our Future: Race in the 21st Century.

"People say, 'Wow, he's representing our race, and he's doing something really awesome - but why can't he comb his hair?'

"I think it's healthy to expand the notion of what a good black man is. You don't have to have a full set of teeth to be a hero."

interesting how this article also makes the point by calling out ramsay but forgetting cordero. apparently cordero did as much if not more work in breaking down the door as ramsay. it's a good point about the racial hierarchy: white first, black second, hispanic third, everyone else 4th. ah not knocking this - is a numbers game too. media write for society and this reflects the make up of society.

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Not disputing what the article is saying, because it is well documented that non-white victims get half as much as coverage, but Michele Knight was grossly unreported. The Police didn't even think she had been kidnapped - they called her a run-away despite her mother's pleas. But that family comes off as so dysfunctional...
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