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Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« on: November 24, 2005, 09:57:51 AM »
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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2005, 10:09:09 AM »
It was Alfred Charles. He played for Burnley (in England) in de early 1930s.
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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2005, 10:19:19 AM »
It was Alfred Charles. He played for Burnley (in England) in de early 1930s.

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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2005, 10:20:02 AM »
It was Alfred Charles. He played for Burnley (in England) in de early 1930s.

He also made 1 appearance for Southampton in Division 1, so he is also the first T&T player in top flight English football. Will post a picture of him in the kit when I get home. Apparently played for a few other teams as well.

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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2005, 10:38:43 AM »
did alfred charles every returned to trinidad .
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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2005, 11:32:15 AM »
It was Alfred Charles. He played for Burnley (in England) in de early 1930s.


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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2005, 12:49:51 PM »
How and where the ar$e you get that kind of info all the time. And there I was thinking it might have been David Nahkid.

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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2005, 01:00:36 PM »
Good Info...........Very Informative
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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2005, 01:02:10 PM »
Jayerson  YoungLyDown check this link it will give you everything on all tnt past players

http://www.bestoftrinidad.com/soccer/charles.html


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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2005, 02:06:40 PM »
Here is a photo of Charles in ? Southampton Gear in 1937



He apparently played for Burnley (who weren't in the football league at the time)...also other non-league clubs Nelsen, Darwen and Stalybridge. He made a sole apparence (that can be verified) for Southampton in the League in January 1937.

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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2005, 05:35:24 PM »
HEY RODNEY WHERE YOU  got that picture from
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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2005, 05:38:00 PM »
It was Alfred Charles. He played for Burnley (in England) in de early 1930s.


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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2005, 05:42:08 PM »
The picture I found on the net a year or two ago. But it is also in a book I have, called 'England, Their England' by Nick Harris, came out in 2003. It is about all the Foreign ballers who play league football in England since 1888. It say Alf Charles get discovered whilst on a West Indian cricket tour of England in the 30's but his listed occupation was ah magician!!!!

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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2005, 05:44:38 PM »
A man picture get post on de board and triniman gettin excited.

Who say tings change on de board?  ;D
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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2005, 05:53:37 PM »
A man picture get post on de board and triniman gettin excited.

Who say tings change on de board?  ;D

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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2005, 11:00:04 PM »
 that guy play for T&T?

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Alf paved the way for Saints' black roll of honour
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2008, 08:32:15 AM »
Alf paved the way for Saints' black roll of honour
By Sarah Jones (Southern Daily Echo)


October 7, 2006

ALF CHARLES may have made just one appearance for Saints' first team, but it was enough to secure him a momentous place in the club's history books.

A professional magician turned cricketer turned footballer was not the most obvious career path for a newcomer to the Dell.

But then Charles was never going to be just an ordinary member of Southampton FC.

As the team's first black player, he signed in January 1937 at a time when black faces were almost non-existent on the city's streets.

While all dedicated Saints fans will have heard of the three Wallace brothers - who famously played in a match together in the 1980s - they may be surprised to know the team featured a black player before the Second World War.

The Trinidadian arrived in England in 1932 accompanying the West Indian cricket team and acting as valet to the famous cricketer Learie Constantine.

He started playing club cricket up north and despite being known as a better cricketer than footballer, he was soon wowing the crowds at Stalybridge Celtic after taking up the beautiful game.

The deeply religious man built up an impressive goal-scoring record and was chased by a number of Division One sides but opted to move to Saints.

One of his Dell colleagues would recall years later, the collective awe when a ball hit Charles on the head during training and it cleared the West stand.

His short-lived career at Southampton included five reserve games, in which he scored two goals in his first two months.

However the magic clearly deserted him on the pitch and he returned to Stalybridge exactly one year later.

His story is just one of the many being told in an exhibition on Southampton's black players.

On display during Black History Month, it forms part of the Racism Just Ain't Saintly campaign - a joint initiative between Southampton City Council, Southampton FC, Hampshire FA and other local agencies - designed to keep prejudice out of the game.

By celebrating the contribution that black players have made to the game over many years, organisers hope to inspire young black youngsters searching for positive role models.

For many young boys, and girls, there is no more powerful image than a professional footballer.

While more than 40 black players have played for Saints to date, it took another four decades after Charles's departure before the second arrived at The Dell.

It was not until the first wave of black players broke into the team in the late-1970s - the children of the post-war immigrants who had arrived in their thousands one or two decades before - that the full force of racism was felt at clubs across the country.

"There were so few black people in Southampton in 1937 that Alf Charles would have been regarded as a curiosity," explained Don John, an organiser of Southampton's Black History Month.

"He was a magician who would have fitted in with the exotic element of his presence there.

"That would be very different compared to when 40 years later players like Terry Sealy, the club's second black player, were right in the middle of racism on the terraces.

"I would imagine that Alf Charles's experience was better than Terry Sealy's. In Sealy's time bananas were being thrown on the pitch and there was obvious racist name calling."
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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2008, 09:16:11 AM »
It was Alfred Charles. He played for Burnley (in England) in de early 1930s.


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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2008, 10:20:38 AM »

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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2008, 11:06:23 AM »
It was Alfred Charles. He played for Burnley (in England) in de early 1930s.

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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2008, 05:00:45 AM »
You know I never saw this thread.

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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2008, 12:26:31 PM »
Who was de first 5 players to play in Europe??

Where does goalkeeper John Granville rank?  Was he the 3rd to play?

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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2008, 11:47:01 AM »
If I rmember correckly, Tallman and Flex were banned from answering questions.. lol..

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Re: Who was the first T&T footballer to play in Europe?
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2008, 02:53:47 PM »
He was suspended by the TAFA in 1933 for a year - maybe that's why he went to England


Trinidad Footballer To Play In England
Date Published: 1933-11-16
Source: Jamaica Gleaner
Page: 14


The Trinidad "Mirror" of October 26 says:—

"Mr. Alfred Charles, Captain of Everton Football Club and Trinidad's greatest footballer, will be leaving the Colony on Tuesday in the C.S. Coronado for England, were he will join one of the most popular League clubs in Lancashire.

Mr. L. N. Constantine, Trinidad's famous cricketer, who returned to the Colony on October 15, on holiday was instrumental in bringing Mr. Charles' prowess as a footballer to the notice of the English clubs.

The cables have been busy within the past few days transmitting messages between Mr. Constantine and the club concerned, and the personal recommendation of "Learie" was the deciding factor with the club.

Mr. Charles is 24 years of age and like "Learie," is a non-smoker, and total abstainer. He takes football seriously and his personality and example were to a great extent responsible for the consistent performances of his club."

Trinidad Footballer Scores First Goal As A Professional
Date Published: 1934-01-03
Source: Jamaica Gleaner
Page: 21


(By Air Mail to the Gleaner)

Says the "Trinidad Guardian" of December 28: "Mr. Alfred Charles, the famous all-round Trinidad footballer, who left here a short time ago to improve his football and to become a professional, has scored his first goal in England.

"Instead of playing at left back, his usual position, Charles played at inner right for Burnley, and he gave a dashing display. Although Burnley lost the match against Liverpool by the narrow margin of four goals to three, Charles figured prominently.

"It is stated that Charles is getting accustomed to the cold and he will be more likely to give his best."
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