Densill Theobald Thread

[GunnerStunner]

all i am saying is

bleeder not as "talented" as the others

BUT

he plays with more heart than any other on the team now

the "stars" rarely track back or hustle, we NEVER take initiative and command a midfield unless we know we can run over them aka el salvador and what happen there? we relax a allowed ourselves to rest on our back footb and lucky to get a point again

all of you dribble lovers out there need to realise there is a time and place for dribbling even latas lost the ball a few times but gave chase to win it back rigth now the only man who can trap and dribble a ball on our side is edwards

bleeders bad passes might turn in to good passes if the other lazy mudacan'ts would work harder for the side

not saying bleeder is a starter, saying they should emulate his desire and intensity, when will you corbeaux stop jumpin up n down for spanner n drag and start applauding short passes and total football???

honduras embarassed us several times with quick sharp passing and movement sometimes making 20 - 30 passes before we even got a touch

[g]

Is Latapy and Yorke fault....... and i serious about that, Maturana too.....

The plain truth is that Densil Theobald is a limited player...... It makes him an easy target for the fans when things don't go our way cause

He will never attempt to take on a defender with a dribble, he dont have no beat, nothing to make the crowd go OOHHH AHHHH.... yuh know we love dat

He will not attempt a pass that is not on..... he not threading no ball forward, he not attempting no 40 yard ball cross the field or down the flank yuh know the fans love dat.

So why do coaches pick him?

He has one of the best techniques in the local game, second only to the so called big three (Yorke, Latapy and John) it doh have no mistrap with Bleeder, the area of the field he plays is very critical, any kind of miscollection could lead to a breakdown and put us under defensive pressure. He completes 90% of this passes. Coaches love dat.

He plays two touch football all the time, most of us have played youth ball at some point in time of our lives, coaches in dem days used to drill the mindset of two touch, let the ball do the work collect, pass and move. Coaches love dat

He is the fittest local player in the game, he never stops moving, he always makes himself available to receive the ball and runs for 90+ mins,he always puts pressure on the opposition in the middle of the park, Coaches love dat

My only personal grouse with Densil is that while he applies a lot of pressure, he doesn't win the ball enough so he is usually paired with another defensive midfielder so people assume he is the creative midfielder which he is not so it makes him a bit redundant, but again that is not his fault, the management plays him and he will play his game. He plays to instructions (see points above)

We have been blessed with some great football minds in the centre of midfield so poor Densil will always be a target. I have seen some of those great football minds make bad passes and lose possesion trying to dribble men and somehow those aspects are sometimes lost in our critical analysis. Go figure

Somebody should start a "WHY WE GANG UP ON STERN THREAD" too

[Dinner Mints]

Dis sounding just like a Dean Whitehead debate on Sunderland message board. Or a old Jermaine Wright debate on a Southampton message board. And it's a debate on a lot of other fan forums. There's always that one (or two) player(s) on a team that keeps getting picked no matter the manager, to the fans' bewilderment and frustration. A player who does the dirty work and/or keeps things simple, appreciated by coaches but not spectators.

[FF]

Dis sounding just like a Dean Whitehead debate on Sunderland message board. Or a old Jermaine Wright debate on a Southampton message board. And it's a debate on a lot of other fan forums. There's always that one (or two) player(s) on a team that keeps getting picked no matter the manager, to the fans' bewilderment and frustration. A player who does the dirty work and/or keeps things simple, appreciated by coaches but not spectators.

I patiently waiting to see all dat dirty work Theobald does be doing...

It have a time and place for Bleeder... and dat is not in ah 4-4-2 system where we looking to win the game.

[GunnerStunner]

Is Latapy and Yorke fault....... and i serious about that, Maturana too.....

The plain truth is that Densil Theobald is a limited player...... It makes him an easy target for the fans when things don't go our way cause

He will never attempt to take on a defender with a dribble, he dont have no beat, nothing to make the crowd go OOHHH AHHHH.... yuh know we love dat

He will not attempt a pass that is not on..... he not threading no ball forward, he not attempting no 40 yard ball cross the field or down the flank yuh know the fans love dat.

So why do coaches pick him?

He has one of the best techniques in the local game, second only to the so called big three (Yorke, Latapy and John) it doh have no mistrap with Bleeder, the area of the field he plays is very critical, any kind of miscollection could lead to a breakdown and put us under defensive pressure. He completes 90% of this passes. Coaches love dat.

He plays two touch football all the time, most of us have played youth ball at some point in time of our lives, coaches in dem days used to drill the mindset of two touch, let the ball do the work collect, pass and move. Coaches love dat

He is the fittest local player in the game, he never stops moving, he always makes himself available to receive the ball and runs for 90+ mins,he always puts pressure on the opposition in the middle of the park, Coaches love dat

My only personal grouse with Densil is that while he applies a lot of pressure, he doesn't win the ball enough so he is usually paired with another defensive midfielder so people assume he is the creative midfielder which he is not so it makes him a bit redundant, but again that is not his fault, the management plays him and he will play his game. He plays to instructions (see points above)

We have been blessed with some great football minds in the centre of midfield so poor Densil will always be a target. I have seen some of those great football minds make bad passes and lose possesion trying to dribble men and somehow those aspects are sometimes lost in our critical analysis. Go figure

Somebody should start a "WHY WE GANG UP ON STERN THREAD" too

exactly hes a replacement when birchall unable to play

[saga pinto]

all i am saying is

bleeder not as "talented" as the others

BUT

he plays with more heart than any other on the team now

the "stars" rarely track back or hustle, we NEVER take initiative and command a midfield unless we know we can run over them aka el salvador and what happen there? we relax a allowed ourselves to rest on our back footb and lucky to get a point again

all of you dribble lovers out there need to realise there is a time and place for dribbling even latas lost the ball a few times but gave chase to win it back rigth now the only man who can trap and dribble a ball on our side is edwards

bleeders bad passes might turn in to good passes if the other lazy mudacan'ts would work harder for the side

not saying bleeder is a starter, saying they should emulate his desire and intensity, when will you corbeaux stop jumpin up n down for spanner n drag and start applauding short passes and total football???

honduras embarassed us several times with quick sharp passing and movement sometimes making 20 - 30 passes before we even got a touch

We already have birchall fuh that...

[GunnerStunner]

all i am saying is

bleeder not as "talented" as the others

BUT

he plays with more heart than any other on the team now

the "stars" rarely track back or hustle, we NEVER take initiative and command a midfield unless we know we can run over them aka el salvador and what happen there? we relax a allowed ourselves to rest on our back footb and lucky to get a point again

all of you dribble lovers out there need to realise there is a time and place for dribbling even latas lost the ball a few times but gave chase to win it back rigth now the only man who can trap and dribble a ball on our side is edwards

bleeders bad passes might turn in to good passes if the other lazy mudacan'ts would work harder for the side

not saying bleeder is a starter, saying they should emulate his desire and intensity, when will you corbeaux stop jumpin up n down for spanner n drag and start applauding short passes and total football???

honduras embarassed us several times with quick sharp passing and movement sometimes making 20 - 30 passes before we even got a touch

We already have birchall fuh that...

is birchal always available?

[Babalawo]

  He eh get burn cuz else we would of got 6-0 instead.

[Themanfriday]

I think that the picking of Densil has to do with finances. I think they trying to ensure he has a pay check. Maybe because he was a "swing vote" during the blacklist fiasco. Maybe it was what got him to switch.

How else do you justify him being picked for the team ever single time since then. De man doh play no kinda ball fuh ah pick.

I think he occupying some other players spot. I think there should be an explaination to the fans.

Well I done kno what dey go say bout de couach doh have to explain tuh nobody but this is outlandish.

[Dinner Mints]

Or maybe he offers something to teams that can't be observed from an armchair.

[Themanfriday]

Or maybe he offers something to teams that can't be observed from an armchair.

lol  like what

[palos]

I think that the picking of Densil has to do with finances. I think they trying to ensure he has a pay check. Maybe because he was a "swing vote" during the blacklist fiasco. Maybe it was what got him to switch.

How else do you justify him being picked for the team ever single time since then. De man doh play no kinda ball fuh ah pick.

I think he occupying some other players spot. I think there should be an explaination to the fans.

Well I done kno what dey go say bout de couach doh have to explain tuh nobody but this is outlandish.

1 - He was one did get $1 million dollars from de T&T government as a result of his appearance in WC 2006 so it hardly likely to be about ensurin he get a pay cheque.

2 - kiffysmooth go rell ben by your suggestion de man doh play no kinda ball.

3 - Almost every coach have dey pet.  Derek King was Bertille own.  Dwarika was Simoes own.  Stern was Beenie own.  Akile Edwards was Pacho own.  Bleeder is Latas own.  Only Wim didn't appear to have a "favourite" per se.  Maybe Birchy.

[Quags]

Maybe hes Latas only confidant in the team.Yah know like when Roy ask Dwight if he have his back and Dwight say they need to talk .Densil will say yes.Once he doh play i guess is ok .

[Brownsugar]

It must be his charming smile.....

[King Deese]

Rochford would have been a better pick. In my opinion he is the defensive midfielder of the future or one of them at least and he will score on you.

Hell while I am at how about Andre Boucard for Trent Noel. I have not seen him play but what I've read about the kid he is suppose to be a hard working midfielder who will also score on you.

What about Darryl Roberts for Kenwyne Jones.

Hell yeah I am on a roll.

Kevon Neaves for Keon "I can't play anywhere else but central midfield" Daniels

Another midfielder for a forward say Daniel Joseph for Zamora

Jamal Gay or Juma for Jason Scotland

[kiffysmooth]

ManFriday!....wha fitball you really watching?  Ah doesnt like when people fighting dong ah fitballer with no kind ah reasoning.....  Obviously de man hadda be performing in Training, and he hadda be performing in de PFL...but ah guess yuh doh watch dem games nyder..... like yuh wha see him score every game or beat ah man four times in ah game... I aint de best fitballer, nyder is Latapy...But guess what, Latapy and odder coaches know more bout fitball dan me and you...so maybe yuh should tink about why dey picking him....obviously he have someting to offer......  De man is de best passer of de ball on de team right now (if yuh didnt know) and his touch is on point.... plus he have experience..... wha more yuh really want jed?..........steupes

[Themanfriday]

ManFriday!....wha fitball you really watching?  Ah doesnt like when people fighting dong ah fitballer with no kind ah reasoning.....  Obviously de man hadda be performing in Training, and he hadda be performing in de PFL...but ah guess yuh doh watch dem games nyder..... like yuh wha see him score every game or beat ah man four times in ah game... I aint de best fitballer, nyder is Latapy...But guess what, Latapy and odder coaches know more bout fitball dan me and you...so maybe yuh should tink about why dey picking him....obviously he have someting to offer......  De man is de best passer of de ball on de team right now (if yuh didnt know) and his touch is on point.... plus he have experience..... wha more yuh really want jed?..........steupes

With all dat talent you talking bout
TELL ME WHY HE SITTING ON DE BENCH EVERY GAME SO

HE IS AH SWEAT BOX > TOWEL DRAGGER>

Like he does sit on one edge ah de seat on ah towel and slide tuh de other side. 

Kiffy you come on here all aggressive an ting relax partner 

[noize]

ManFriday!....wha fitball you really watching?  Ah doesnt like when people fighting dong ah fitballer with no kind ah reasoning.....  Obviously de man hadda be performing in Training, and he hadda be performing in de PFL...but ah guess yuh doh watch dem games nyder..... like yuh wha see him score every game or beat ah man four times in ah game... I aint de best fitballer, nyder is Latapy...But guess what, Latapy and odder coaches know more bout fitball dan me and you...so maybe yuh should tink about why dey picking him....obviously he have someting to offer......  De man is de best passer of de ball on de team right now (if yuh didnt know) and his touch is on point.... plus he have experience..... wha more yuh really want jed?..........steupes

U cah be serious with the man may have something to offer.. he was playing Shyte on  the team b4 2006 ,during 2006 and after 2006 ...and he still does play Shyte now when he on the National side.. bottom line we have to leave the Shyte hounds on the back burner and start making man work to get on the side ..no more of this BullShyte that yuh is Latas partner or Latas always loookin out fuh yuh....The only reason I think Lawrence should be kept on this 22 man squad now is because he could probably help the younger faster defensive players develop but if that is not his role then we need to take him off the squad too...this is a new chance to make this a no nonsense team...start D shyte off right!!!

[Dinner Mints]

3 - Almost every coach have dey pet.  Derek King was Bertille own.  Dwarika was Simoes own.  Stern was Beenie own.  Akile Edwards was Pacho own.  Bleeder is Latas own. 

Except Bleeder on Latas team. He was on Pacho team. He was on Wim team. He was on Beenie team. He dat friendly?

Or maybe, just maybe...

[Themanfriday]

3 - Almost every coach have dey pet.  Derek King was Bertille own.  Dwarika was Simoes own.  Stern was Beenie own.  Akile Edwards was Pacho own.  Bleeder is Latas own. 

Except Bleeder on Latas team. He was on Pacho team. He was on Wim team. He was on Beenie team. He dat friendly?

Or maybe, just maybe...

Just Maybe 

[dinho]

3 - Almost every coach have dey pet.  Derek King was Bertille own.  Dwarika was Simoes own.  Stern was Beenie own.  Akile Edwards was Pacho own.  Bleeder is Latas own. 

Except Bleeder on Latas team. He was on Pacho team. He was on Wim team. He was on Beenie team. He dat friendly?

Or maybe, just maybe...

Just Maybe 

just maybe he have nude pics of jack warner.. steups

[Socapro]

Rochford would have been a better pick. In my opinion he is the defensive midfielder of the future or one of them at least and he will score on you.

Hell while I am at how about Andre Boucard for Trent Noel. I have not seen him play but what I've read about the kid he is suppose to be a hard working midfielder who will also score on you.

What about Darryl Roberts for Kenwyne Jones.

Hell yeah I am on a roll.

Kevon Neaves for Keon "I can't play anywhere else but central midfield" Daniels

Another midfielder for a forward say Daniel Joseph for Zamora

Jamal Gay or Juma for Jason Scotland

Ah like this post but will it happen?! Does it snow in T&T? 

[Themanfriday]

3 - Almost every coach have dey pet.  Derek King was Bertille own.  Dwarika was Simoes own.  Stern was Beenie own.  Akile Edwards was Pacho own.  Bleeder is Latas own. 

Except Bleeder on Latas team. He was on Pacho team. He was on Wim team. He was on Beenie team. He dat friendly?

Or maybe, just maybe...

Just Maybe 

just maybe he have nude pics of jack warner.. steups

I could go fuh dat

[ZANDOLIE]

3 - Almost every coach have dey pet.  Derek King was Bertille own.  Dwarika was Simoes own.  Stern was Beenie own.  Akile Edwards was Pacho own.  Bleeder is Latas own.  Only Wim didn't appear to have a "favourite" per se.  Maybe Birchy.

Wha bout Seon Power 

[g]

The fact that he has been consitently picked by ALL of our coaches over the last 5 years says something.

I actually like his game

He is probably the most technically sound player in the country. (Active of course)

I think the masses doh like him because the things that he does well is not something heralded in our football psyche

[just cool]

The fact that he has been consitently picked by ALL of our coaches over the last 5 years says something.

I actually like his game

He is probably the most technically sound player in the country. (Active of course)

I think the masses doh like him because the things that he does well is not something heralded in our football psyche

Consistently yuh say? wim picked him BC he had no choice, we was strapped for players and bleeder was ah no brainer.

pancho used him in the guadelope game and he never featured until the USA game in chicago, then he fell off thew radar , and ah guess he called him again for the elsalvador and honduras game where he rode pine.

it's only latas and beenie who consistently called bleeder, wim had no choice and pancho used him three times for the whole campaign.

latas makes the cliche even more believable, where great player rarely make good coaches. latas , ah think yuh need tuh go work wid romany and skeene tuh help build and raise the standard of the PFL and leave coaching to the big boys.               positive.

[noize]

The fact that he has been consitently picked by ALL of our coaches over the last 5 years says something.

I actually like his game

He is probably the most technically sound player in the country. (Active of course)

I think the masses doh like him because the things that he does well is not something heralded in our football psyche

  ...maybe the masses doh like him cause they can recognize ah "shit hound" when they see one !!!

[King Deese]

The rest ah allyuh doh get it yuh know.

What latas is trying to tell allyuh is that the rest ah allyuh doh look as good as Densil. Did you see him in "Training Day", ah mean on Training Day, he looks good there. He was after "The Preacher's Wife" too, well Latas ain't too sure but that is why he has to keep him close. Did allyuh see him when he "Cried Freedom" from the blacklist? Man that was ah Oscar winning performance. He looks like an "American Gangster" too that is why Latas can't leave him off the team. Latas fraid dah man. Latas needs him to "act" like ah midfielder too but allyuh want Latas to "X" him out. NOT HAPPENINGGGGGGGGGG, you dig. Densil is the "Inside Man" on the football team and he knows something allyuh don't know that come October 10th, it will be "Deja Vu" all over again.

SUCKERSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

[ZANDOLIE]

The fact that he has been consitently picked by ALL of our coaches over the last 5 years says something.

I actually like his game

He is probably the most technically sound player in the country. (Active of course)

I think the masses doh like him because the things that he does well is not something heralded in our football psyche

He is not the most technically sound player. But good post regardless. Theobal does cause me great pain to watch.  He and Clyde Leon together does gimme a sensation like having vomiting and diarrhea at the same time. Theo does rarely pull stones or mistrap, he follows the flow of the game, he basically does nothing wrong. But when you see a player with that technical ability and discipline to follow the coach instructions and yet cyah use them skills to IMPACT the game, that does kill.

Theobald is capable of defence splitting passes, he has the vision to and skill to do so. But he never deviates from his short pass game or run with the ball or alone into space outside his comfort zone into an area where he could create real trouble. That is the difference between a Whitley/Noel and a Theobald. Whitley is not that much more technically sound than Theo, but he was fearless. Trent is the same, to a lesser extent.

Leon is a next one who could impact a game. He well capable, as when he scored that scorcher for Connection against a CCL side. But he and Theo afraid to take risks. They should, they have enough skill to stamp authority on a game.

[g]

The fact that he has been consitently picked by ALL of our coaches over the last 5 years says something.

I actually like his game

He is probably the most technically sound player in the country. (Active of course)

I think the masses doh like him because the things that he does well is not something heralded in our football psyche

He is not the most technically sound player. But good post regardless. Theobal does cause me great pain to watch.  He and Clyde Leon together does gimme a sensation like having vomiting and diarrhea at the same time. Theo does rarely pull stones or mistrap, he follows the flow of the game, he basically does nothing wrong. But when you see a player with that technical ability and discipline to follow the coach instructions and yet cyah use them skills to IMPACT the game, that does kill.

Theobald is capable of defence splitting passes, he has the vision to and skill to do so. But he never deviates from his short pass game or run with the ball or alone into space outside his comfort zone into an area where he could create real trouble. That is the difference between a Whitley/Noel and a Theobald. Whitley is not that much more technically sound than Theo, but he was fearless. Trent is the same, to a lesser extent.

Leon is a next one who could impact a game. He well capable, as when he scored that scorcher for Connection against a CCL side. But he and Theo afraid to take risks. They should, they have enough skill to stamp authority on a game.

Good,

I think we starting to get to the root of the issue here, becuase he always getting tagged as a shithound but if you look at the games he has played, the number of mistakes he actually makes are miniscule if you compare it to his teamates also when looking at the games in context.

I think its more of potential not realised which irritates folks. We have invested over 270 mins of WC football in him. He and Aurtis were supposed to be the pair to take us forward post 2006.

When d man start to assume a kind of Dwight Yorke role folks start to malign d man, for what reason i really don't know. To me that is the exact player he should be trying to replicate himself after.

But the fact that a player with his technical ability seems to never be able to have the kind of game impact lies with the coaching staff. The best i saw him play was during that blacklist spell and the Gold Cup where he was given the leadership and given the responsibility to take the team forward. Does it mean that i think they should do that now? No!

But a coach with a player under his tenure with his talent unrealized to shows the short coming of the coach. If as a coach you think you have done all that you could for a player and he cant step then discard him. Yet he still in the squad, go figure!