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Sports => Football => Topic started by: jai john on November 05, 2007, 09:22:34 AM
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I remember sometime ago responding to a post which asked what would you do if you had 30 million pounds to spend on a football team..my response was to spend it all on Fabregas
...I wonder if that sum is enough today to prize him away from Arsenal.
I see articles suggesting that Gallas is the man ..but I back Villareal so I look a little deeper than the obvious ::) and it is that fabregas is the dynamo of this team that is threatening to run away with the premiership this season.
one writer mentioned that he does not cover ground so well....I guess he must live in his own little goldfish bowl as fabregas highlights can well demonstrate the opposite ....i am sure many forumites have seen the U tube highlight of goalscoring opportunity at one end and the getting back to " jam' christiano, who is by no means slow, on the other end, against United .
everything rolled into one is this midfielder and he is now making it very clear to everyone that if they intend to go through Arsenal they have to go through him first ...oh and he has scored double figures in goals this early in the season...
so the question is how good is this catalan ?
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Better than Viera and Roy Keane and most complete midfielders I can think of were at his age...with the possible exception of Gerrard who was already a star by then as well, except he was more injury prone because of ''growing problems'' they used to say.
So with that said...he REAL good in all areas of his game.
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I can't think of a better box to box midfielder right now than Fabregas.
I agree with Spidey and would say that he is well ahead of where Gerrard was at 20, even if you give Gerrard a bligh for the injuries.
If Arsenal could hold on to him they will be set for th enext 10-15 years.
He is such an intelligent and gifted player that he could play deeper or even higher up the pitch if the team needed him to and still be effective. This gives Arsenal real power because they could bring in a playmaker and have Fabgregas support or bring in in some hardmen and set him free to create and there will be little drop-off in quality.
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Who's the king — Ronaldo or Fabregas?
http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/7410950
Nick Webster
It is widely acknowledged that if you want to be 'the man' and take the belt off the champion, you've got to knock them out — grinding out a points victory just won't be enough to impress the judges and get you the decision.
Using that assumption, there can be no argument that Manchester United is still 'the man' after their epic clash with Arsenal at the Emirates on Saturday. The Gunners though showed that they are worthy challengers. They also demonstrated that they have a granite chin as they climbed off the canvas twice to bloody the nose of the current champions in a pulsating 2-2 draw.
Staying with the boxing analogy, this match was dominated by the two current best European players, Cristiano Ronaldo and Cesc Fabregas. There is no doubt in my mind that this rivalry has all the potential to be one of the best English — or world for that matter — football has ever seen. It's Ali vs. Frazier, Tyson vs. Holyfield ... and with luck we'll witness their battles for many more seasons to come.
One doesn't like to reduce an epic match to two players because, as the L.A. Galaxy have found out, it's not about one player. However, it is hard to look beyond the match-up between the current 'Players & Writer's Player of the Year' and his apparent heir-in-waiting.
Looking back at the ninety minutes from North London, Fabregas was the guv'nor when it came to running the show. If United could have stopped him, perhaps they would have left with the three points. Ronaldo, on the other hand, was largely anonymous and yet still had a massive say in the result with a goal and assist.
So just who is the best player from the Iberian Peninsula? Let's look at the tale of the tape:
Cesc Fabregas Cristiano Ronaldo
Age: 20 Age: 22
Fee: $0 Fee: $24 million
PL Appearances: 99 PL Appearance: 103
All Competitions: 141 All Competitions: 153
Goals: 13 Goals: 57
Goals this season: 10 Goals this season: 7
International Caps: 20 International Caps: 36
That's the raw data but what of more intangible qualities?
Flair & Skill
Unless you live on Mars, this category would have to go to the Portuguese flyer. Ronaldo has more tricks than David Copperfield and isn't shy about demonstrating them. (Ronaldo 1-0 Fabregas)
Consistency
The Spaniard brings it every single game. For sure he's more involved in the center of the park but you hardly ever see him having an off game. (Ronaldo 1-1 Fabregas)
Goal-scoring
Fabregas is in the richest scoring vein of his career but he doesn't hold a candle to Ronaldo, who has the full locker. (Ronaldo 2-1 Fabregas)
Toughness
Both players are incredibly durable, however I feel that Ronaldo takes more of a beating while Fabregas is in the habit of dealing out the pain. (Ronaldo 3-1 Fabregas)
Discipline
Over the course of their careers, Ronaldo has seen red three times, while Fabregas has only been sent off once. The Arsenal player definitely picks up more yellow cards but Ronaldo is more the 'hot-head' and has actually missed more games through suspension than his rival. (Ronaldo 3-2 Fabregas)
Versatility
Ronaldo can play anywhere across the front line, tuck in behind the strikers or create from midfield. Fabregas is more limited and specializes in his midfield role. (Ronaldo 4-2 Fabregas)
Determination
A very difficult category to judge as both players are warriors. However, the Gunner has demonstrated an unquenchable thirst over the last couple of campaigns. (Ronaldo 4-3 Fabregas)
Leadership
Fabregas will lead Arsenal for years to come and his teammates will run through a brick wall for him. Ronaldo tends to disappear at times. (Ronaldo 4-4 Fabregas)
International Appeal
You only had to be in Germany and see girls swooning everywhere to understand that the Red Devil heartthrob would have no trouble picking up a modeling career once he can't play football anymore. (Ronaldo 5-4 Fabregas)
Value
In 2001, Zinedine Zidane moved from Juventus to Real Madrid for a staggering $94 million. Is Ronaldo worth that much? Not yet but I'm sure Sir Alex Ferguson would want in the $60-70 million range for his superstar. Arsene Wenger would probably want the same kind of fee for his protégé, however until Fabregas scores goals on a more consistent basis, Ronaldo will command the bigger money. (Ronaldo 6-4 Fabregas)
It's quite close then, isn't it? On current form — if I was going to build a team around either one — I would have to pick Fabregas. Just look at the supporting cast the Spaniard has at the Emirates compared to the riches that surround Ronaldo at Old Trafford. But if I had a must-win game to play then Ronaldo would get the nod. Either way, this is a rivalry that hasn't even matured yet and it's impossible to take your eyes from it.
Until then, get the beers in ...
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Omar, that writer omitted one significant aspect of the comparison
Intelligence
(C. Ronaldo 0 - 10 Fabregas)
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Omar, that writer omitted one significant aspect of the comparison
Intelligence
(C. Ronaldo 0 - 10 Fabregas)
LOL^^^
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3rd best midfielder in Spain ;)
great player and still can get better
future of Arsenal and Spain i think.
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3rd best midfielder in Spain ;)
great player and still can get better
future of Arsenal and Spain i think.
From spain ;D
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I see articles suggesting that Gallas is the man ..but I back Villareal so I look a little deeper than the obvious ::) and it is that fabregas is the dynamo of this team that is threatening to run away with the premiership this season.
HOLD ON!!!
You think that it is NOT obvious that Fabregas is the best player on that team???
What de hell
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Fabregas still not better than Iniesta
he put in a noteworthy performance on Sat, nobody cant deny that
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Fabregas Is the best midfielder I’ve seen this year
& I think it’s more like
Intelligence
(C. Ronaldo 0 - 15 Fabregas)
(Iniesta 15 - 15 Fabregas)
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tell Ronald make a perfect pass an then compare him with fabregas :-*
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tell Ronald make a perfect pass an then compare him with fabregas :-*
until fabregas, unlike CR10 last year, take a team on he back and win trophies, all he have is "potential."
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3rd best midfielder in Spain ;)
great player and still can get better
future of Arsenal and Spain i think.
Behind who?
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3rd best midfielder in Spain ;)
great player and still can get better
future of Arsenal and Spain i think.
From spain ;D
yeah..you know what I mean ;D
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Fabregas still not better than Iniesta
he put in a noteworthy performance on Sat, nobody cant deny that
He is better than Iniesta.
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tell Ronald make a perfect pass an then compare him with fabregas :-*
until fabregas, unlike CR10 last year, take a team on he back and win trophies, all he have is "potential."
Take ManU on his back ??? Allyuh good we
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3rd best midfielder in Spain ;)
great player and still can get better
future of Arsenal and Spain i think.
Behind who?
Xavi and Iniesta
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Fabregas still not better than Iniesta
he put in a noteworthy performance on Sat, nobody cant deny that
He is better than Iniesta.
Not worth arguing over. Waste of time. Everyone will like different players. Right now Spain is going with Iniesta and Xavi, but these three midfielders are of the highest level and bring different things to the table. Another coach might select Fabregas. U can't go wrong with any of those three. But for me..Iniesta is just a little bit better. He was amazing this weekend too..another class performance. Spain really ahs some talent at central mid
:beermug:
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If Arsenal could hold on to him they will be set for th enext 10-15 years.
Is Wenger u talking about here u know! Once u reach 29 is time for u to go, so Fabregas only have 9 more years...no matter how good he is. Or he will stay and ride pine like Gilberto Silva this year. Ljunberg last year, Pires year before that and Bergkamp year before that one.... :devil:
Wenger dread when it come to age. He doh care how good u are or was or whatever. :devil:
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I bet all you haters who puttin done CR7 would love to have him on yuh team! I just change the channel because the moment when Arsenal equalize in injury time comin up! But anyway keepon hatin you hators! Cheers!
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Fabregas is good but no way close to Ronaldo. When Manu was in all kind of injury problems last year ronaldo kept us in de hunt, where was fabregas when Henry was out for Arsenal all that time last season ? He can't yet carry his team, when he can do that then compair him to Ronaldo untill then he has the "Potential" to be a great player. Plus he's not even the main focus on his national team, he's not even in the top 5 midfielders in the world.
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They are different types of players playing different positions.
Why people feel they have to rip down one to praise the other is beyond me.
That article is dumb when you consider that Ronaldo plays like what used to be an Outside Forward so you are basically comparing a top midfielder to a top forward and trying to say who is better.
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They are different types of players playing different positions.
Why people feel they have to rip down one to praise the other is beyond me.
That article is dumb when you consider that Ronaldo plays like what used to be an Outside Forward so you are basically comparing a top midfielder to a top forward and trying to say who is better.
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I agree with you. It is the typical point of view and articles you get from sports writers practicing their craft in the states. Nick Webster is English but living and working in the states and he is catering to the US way of breaking down and covering sports. Stir it up to get attention and notice!
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Fabregas still not better than Iniesta
he put in a noteworthy performance on Sat, nobody cant deny that
He is better than Iniesta.
Not worth arguing over. Waste of time. Everyone will like different players. Right now Spain is going with Iniesta and Xavi, but these three midfielders are of the highest level and bring different things to the table. Another coach might select Fabregas. U can't go wrong with any of those three. But for me..Iniesta is just a little bit better. He was amazing this weekend too..another class performance. Spain really ahs some talent at central mid
:beermug:
The one quality I think Fabragas is developing which will take him past both Xavi & Iniesta is his defending ability. When Arsenal went to the CL final and played Juv along the way, I was really impressed with Fabragas against the likes of Viera. Since that he has improved each year in this department.
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Fabregas still not better than Iniesta
he put in a noteworthy performance on Sat, nobody cant deny that
He is better than Iniesta.
Not worth arguing over. Waste of time. Everyone will like different players. Right now Spain is going with Iniesta and Xavi, but these three midfielders are of the highest level and bring different things to the table. Another coach might select Fabregas. U can't go wrong with any of those three. But for me..Iniesta is just a little bit better. He was amazing this weekend too..another class performance. Spain really ahs some talent at central mid
:beermug:
The one quality I think Fabragas is developing which will take him past both Xavi & Iniesta is his defending ability. When Arsenal went to the CL final and played Juv along the way, I was really impressed with Fabragas against the likes of Viera. Since that he has improved each year in this department.
maybe..but don't underestimate Xavi and Iniesta's defending. If you watch Barca regulalrly you will know those fellas win a lot of battles in midfield. They both cover a lot of ground and don't get much recognition for it. breds..last season I even see Iniesta play a dread left back for Barca.
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Is Wenger u talking about here u know! Once u reach 29 is time for u to go, so Fabregas only have 9 more years...no matter how good he is. Or he will stay and ride pine like Gilberto Silva this year. Ljunberg last year, Pires year before that and Bergkamp year before that one.... :devil:
Wenger dread when it come to age. He doh care how good u are or was or whatever. :devil:
That is a recent popular myth about Wneger when it comes to age but he has held on to several players well past 30 years. Bergkamp was 36 when he retired ( he wasn’t pushed out), Adams also retired at the club (36), Keown went down a division at around 38 years and Pires left at 32 because he wanted more than a one year deal. Winterburn is a next one, 37 years when he went to West Ham.
Wenger does not care about age, he cares about value and production. What he is very good at is knowing what he has in his squad and gauging when he can afford to let a player go. He also knows that certain players
He will let a player in his prime go if
a) the money is very good (Vieira, Henry, Overmars, Petit),
b) he has able backups (Winterburn, Petit, Vieira),
c) he feels the player might be unsettled or thinks that he has outgrown the club (Vieira?, Henry?),
d) they just not good enough or just not doing it any more (Suker, Jeffers, Kanu, Parlour)
Wenger has an Econ degree and he is a very bright fella who looks at the club, not just today but down the road. If, as is quite possible, Fabregas is the best midfielder in the world at 30 and is happy at Arsenal and a club stalwart he will not be moved just because he is past 29. The man plays the best team available. Every time a player gets benched it is because there are better options available.
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Van Persie better than Fabregas
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Is Wenger u talking about here u know! Once u reach 29 is time for u to go, so Fabregas only have 9 more years...no matter how good he is. Or he will stay and ride pine like Gilberto Silva this year. Ljunberg last year, Pires year before that and Bergkamp year before that one.... :devil:
Wenger dread when it come to age. He doh care how good u are or was or whatever. :devil:
That is a recent popular myth about Wneger when it comes to age but he has held on to several players well past 30 years. Bergkamp was 36 when he retired ( he wasn’t pushed out), Adams also retired at the club (36), Keown went down a division at around 38 years and Pires left at 32 because he wanted more than a one year deal. Winterburn is a next one, 37 years when he went to West Ham.
Wenger does not care about age, he cares about value and production. What he is very good at is knowing what he has in his squad and gauging when he can afford to let a player go. He also knows that certain players
He will let a player in his prime go if
a) the money is very good (Vieira, Henry, Overmars, Petit),
b) he has able backups (Winterburn, Petit, Vieira),
c) he feels the player might be unsettled or thinks that he has outgrown the club (Vieira?, Henry?),
d) they just not good enough or just not doing it any more (Suker, Jeffers, Kanu, Parlour)
Wenger has an Econ degree and he is a very bright fella who looks at the club, not just today but down the road. If, as is quite possible, Fabregas is the best midfielder in the world at 30 and is happy at Arsenal and a club stalwart he will not be moved just because he is past 29. The man plays the best team available. Every time a player gets benched it is because there are better options available.
JDB, he might not show them the door once they hit 30, but he sure doesn't make the bed for them..
Wenger policy is to offer only 1 year deals for players over 30, regardless of their performance level..
That in itself will unsettle his players and make them listen to offers, cause men futures not guaranteed at Arsenal... So i dont think its so much a myth after all.
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Not a bad policy for the player. Dennis B & others took that deal and stayed on for 6 + years after that.
The policy allows the player if he so wishes to shop himself and make some serious coin on a long term deal. Look at Lauren if he was tied to 3 years he would have been on the pine, he was not willning so he went.
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Van Persie better than Fabregas
better in wha ... cricket ???
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Fabregas still not better than Iniesta
he put in a noteworthy performance on Sat, nobody cant deny that
He is better than Iniesta.
Not worth arguing over. Waste of time. Everyone will like different players. Right now Spain is going with Iniesta and Xavi, but these three midfielders are of the highest level and bring different things to the table. Another coach might select Fabregas. U can't go wrong with any of those three. But for me..Iniesta is just a little bit better. He was amazing this weekend too..another class performance. Spain really ahs some talent at central mid
:beermug:
The one quality I think Fabragas is developing which will take him past both Xavi & Iniesta is his defending ability. When Arsenal went to the CL final and played Juv along the way, I was really impressed with Fabragas against the likes of Viera. Since that he has improved each year in this department.
maybe..but don't underestimate Xavi and Iniesta's defending. If you watch Barca regulalrly you will know those fellas win a lot of battles in midfield. They both cover a lot of ground and don't get much recognition for it. breds..last season I even see Iniesta play a dread left back for Barca.
You obviously holding a candle for Iniesta. I agree with you that there is no point arguing as there is very little objectivity in the choice.
The one thing everyone said Fabregas was missing from his game was goals. He has added that spectacularly this year. That raises him above Iniesta for me.
Xavi is good defensively and is an excellent organizer. I give him the edge on Fabregas based on experience.
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That is a recent popular myth about Wneger when it comes to age but he has held on to several players well past 30 years. Bergkamp was 36 when he retired ( he wasn’t pushed out), Adams also retired at the club (36), Keown went down a division at around 38 years and Pires left at 32 because he wanted more than a one year deal. Winterburn is a next one, 37 years when he went to West Ham.
Wenger does not care about age, he cares about value and production. What he is very good at is knowing what he has in his squad and gauging when he can afford to let a player go. He also knows that certain players
He will let a player in his prime go if
a) the money is very good (Vieira, Henry, Overmars, Petit),
b) he has able backups (Winterburn, Petit, Vieira),
c) he feels the player might be unsettled or thinks that he has outgrown the club (Vieira?, Henry?),
d) they just not good enough or just not doing it any more (Suker, Jeffers, Kanu, Parlour)
Wenger has an Econ degree and he is a very bright fella who looks at the club, not just today but down the road. If, as is quite possible, Fabregas is the best midfielder in the world at 30 and is happy at Arsenal and a club stalwart he will not be moved just because he is past 29. The man plays the best team available. Every time a player gets benched it is because there are better options available.
Well, i admit you have a viable point of view regarding the age thing but I believe that all those players were established Arsenal legends who Wenger met there. He could not just come and get rid of them because he was not yet established in the job and among the Arsenal fans.
Bergkamp may be the only exception to the rule but that was for two reasons- Henry was still being converted to a striker and Anelka leaving meant that there was no viable alternative to Bergkamp. However, in the end he was pushed out. If you recall, his last two years were spent as a bit part player, despite him being in his prime the season before that.
Same applies to Pires, Parlour and Ljunhberg...they were all riding pine once they turn the wrong side of 30, despite being key players the year before. Same way Gilberto Silva being treated now.
Overmars, Petit, Viera and Henry left while they were still guaranteed starters.
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Fabregas still not better than Iniesta
he put in a noteworthy performance on Sat, nobody cant deny that
He is better than Iniesta.
Not worth arguing over. Waste of time. Everyone will like different players. Right now Spain is going with Iniesta and Xavi, but these three midfielders are of the highest level and bring different things to the table. Another coach might select Fabregas. U can't go wrong with any of those three. But for me..Iniesta is just a little bit better. He was amazing this weekend too..another class performance. Spain really ahs some talent at central mid
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Ha ha ha !!! ... I like how you propose that Xavi and iniesta are better than fabregas and when challenged you say ...not worth arguing over !
In the meantime are we supposed to accept what you said or not ?
In my opinion Xavi and inesta are so far behind that their names wont even come up in the best player stakes.
Xavi is 27 iniesta is 23, fabregas is 20 ...yes 20 ! When are those two players going to exhale ? Let me ask you a question asked by another forumite .....if you had 30 million pounds to build a team which of these players would you buy and why ?...just me ..i like to know why people say the things they do ..part of my learning experience ..
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Bergkamp may be the only exception to the rule but that was for two reasons- Henry was still being converted to a striker and Anelka leaving meant that there was no viable alternative to Bergkamp. However, in the end he was pushed out. If you recall, his last two years were spent as a bit part player, despite him being in his prime the season before that.
Bergkamp played just as many games in his last two seasons as he did in th etwo seasons before that, scored more goals too. He was never marginalized at Arsenal by anything other than the increasing influence of Henry. Wenger played him as often as he could.
Overmars, Petit, Viera and Henry left while they were still guaranteed starters.
Yeah but they left for big money. I don't think that you can say that age was the critical factor when a man is offering yuh 30 M for players like Overmars and Petit.
Same applies to Pires, Parlour and Ljunhberg...they were all riding pine once they turn the wrong side of 30, despite being key players the year before. Same way Gilberto Silva being treated now.
Question. Based on how Arsenal is playing now do you think that Gilberto is is being slighted? Is it not possible that Flamini and Fabregas are better options than Gilberto. Likewise for Ljungberg and Pires. Where are they now? I could understand if they were still playing better than the players who replaced them. Maybe then you could say that they get a Logan's Run but they are clearly worse than their replacements.
At the end of the day nobody knows Wenger's exact motivations but I think it is oversimplification to draw a correlation between age and how he treats players when form and competition for places are big factors in any decisionl.
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Fabregas still not better than Iniesta
he put in a noteworthy performance on Sat, nobody cant deny that
He is better than Iniesta.
Not worth arguing over. Waste of time. Everyone will like different players. Right now Spain is going with Iniesta and Xavi, but these three midfielders are of the highest level and bring different things to the table. Another coach might select Fabregas. U can't go wrong with any of those three. But for me..Iniesta is just a little bit better. He was amazing this weekend too..another class performance. Spain really ahs some talent at central mid
:beermug:
Ha ha ha !!! ... I like how you propose that Xavi and iniesta are better than fabregas and when challenged you say ...not worth arguing over !
In the meantime are we supposed to accept what you said or not ?
In my opinion Xavi and inesta are so far behind that their names wont even come up in the best player stakes.
Xavi is 27 iniesta is 23, fabregas is 20 ...yes 20 ! When are those two players going to exhale ? Let me ask you a question asked by another forumite .....if you had 30 million pounds to build a team which of these players would you buy and why ?...just me ..i like to know why people say the things they do ..part of my learning experience ..
Nope..just saying that I know it's only my opinion. Whatever I say about Xavi and Iniesta probably won't change anyone's mind. I just didn't want to get into a prolonged back and forth. All I am saying is..this is my opinion..and I respect yours. Not even going to overly try to convince anyone of mine and I accept where others coming from. Plus..I wasn't 'challenged'..Dumpalewie was responding to someone else. I just intervened to say..good points all..no point in arguing over a matter of opinion for players that are all pretty high level.
As for the 30million pound question..that relates to value. Given Fabregas and Iniesta's age with respect to their abillity..on can argue they are more valuable than the older Xavi..and it is probably worth spending more money on them. But does that mean they are better than Xavi now? Not necessarily. What you pay for a player not only includes how good they are now..but what their potential is in the future. I was only saying that Iniesta and Xavi are better now (imo). You are talking about something completely different when you ask the question of wht you will pay for a player...unless you are only interested in winning titles immediately
Now you say that you like to know people's reason for saying things. yet you give none. Now the only reason you've given is their ages and implied that you'd spend more money on Fabregas than the other 2 (which I think we can agree does not really address the relative merits of the players today.but what their long tern value would be) Mine are based on performances for club and country. I admit I am a Barca fan and watch them a lot more than Arsenal. I also think all 3 players are the same level and was being a bit tongue in cheek (another reason why I'm trying not to make this into a big Xavi vs Iniesta v Fabregas). On any given day any one of them could walk into the Spanish national team lineup. My preferences for one over the other are minute. Iniesta and Xavi are also keeping Iniesta off the Spanish national team at the oment...so they're probably not as far behind as you like to think.
respeck :beermug:
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Fabregas still not better than Iniesta
he put in a noteworthy performance on Sat, nobody cant deny that
He is better than Iniesta.
Not worth arguing over. Waste of time. Everyone will like different players. Right now Spain is going with Iniesta and Xavi, but these three midfielders are of the highest level and bring different things to the table. Another coach might select Fabregas. U can't go wrong with any of those three. But for me..Iniesta is just a little bit better. He was amazing this weekend too..another class performance. Spain really ahs some talent at central mid
:beermug:
Ha ha ha !!! ... I like how you propose that Xavi and iniesta are better than fabregas and when challenged you say ...not worth arguing over !
In the meantime are we supposed to accept what you said or not ?
In my opinion Xavi and inesta are so far behind that their names wont even come up in the best player stakes.
Xavi is 27 iniesta is 23, fabregas is 20 ...yes 20 ! When are those two players going to exhale ? Let me ask you a question asked by another forumite .....if you had 30 million pounds to build a team which of these players would you buy and why ?...just me ..i like to know why people say the things they do ..part of my learning experience ..
Nope..just saying that I know it's only my opinion. Whatever I say about Xavi and Iniesta probably won't change anyone's mind. I just didn't want to get into a prolonged back and forth. All I am saying is..this is my opinion..and I respect yours. Not even going to overly try to convince anyone of mine and I accept where others coming from. Plus..I wasn't 'challenged'..Dumpalewie was responding to someone else. I just intervened to say..good points all..no point in arguing over a matter of opinion for players that are all pretty high level.
As for the 30million pound question..that relates to value. Given Fabregas and Iniesta's age with respect to their abillity..on can argue they are more valuable than the older Xavi..and it is probably worth spending more money on them. But does that mean they are better than Xavi now? Not necessarily. What you pay for a player not only includes how good they are now..but what their potential is in the future. I was only saying that Iniesta and Xavi are better now (imo). You are talking about something completely different when you ask the question of wht you will pay for a player...unless you are only interested in winning titles immediately :beermug:
fair enough...I dont rate those two as highly as you do but that does not mean that they are not good players. Age is not the only factor in deciding however and I just mentioned it to show that the others have had a bit more time to establish themselves as great players.
I am not an Arsenal fan, but I admire great players and for me fabregas just seems to be getting better every year. someone mentioned that he has added goalscoring to his reputation but what may not be known is that he arrived at barcelona...yes the three are all from barca, as a goalscorer. maybe he is now just getting the freedom to do what he did as a young player.
I dont say he is the best in the world ..who is ? ..but I would certainly keep a close watch on him the next time the pollsters come around.
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Barça Consider Xavi Sale, AS Report
FC Barcelona could be considering selling Xavi Hernández next summer in order to pave the way for a major move for Cesc Fàbregas, accord to AS.
zoom - galleria The outlandish story from the Madrid-biased paper claims that the Blaugrana are unimpressed with the Spanish international's drop in form and they could off-load him.
According to the report, technical secretary Txiki Begiristain has been advocating selling the homegrown playmaker as he feels that he has lost some of his sparkle.
Club president Joan Laporta has always been angered by seeing Fàbregas leave the club and is intent on bringing him back.
AS claim that an agreement, signed by former vice-president Sandro Rosell, gives the Blaugrana first refusal on the Arsenal midfielder if he ever decides he wants to leave north London.
Xavi has been a regular in the Barça side for several seasons, but Begiristain is concerned that he is no longer the driving force he once was.
With Andrés Iniesta impressing in various positions, the Catalan outfit have a ready-made replacement, but want Fàbregas to come back to be the creator in their side.
The story goes completely against Begiristain's statement earlier this month that the club would be unwilling to spend millions on a player that opted to leave them.
Lucas Brown
Now this is interesting isn't it ?
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Barça Consider Xavi Sale, AS Report
FC Barcelona could be considering selling Xavi Hernández next summer in order to pave the way for a major move for Cesc Fàbregas, accord to AS.
zoom - galleria The outlandish story from the Madrid-biased paper claims that the Blaugrana are unimpressed with the Spanish international's drop in form and they could off-load him.
According to the report, technical secretary Txiki Begiristain has been advocating selling the homegrown playmaker as he feels that he has lost some of his sparkle.
Club president Joan Laporta has always been angered by seeing Fàbregas leave the club and is intent on bringing him back.
AS claim that an agreement, signed by former vice-president Sandro Rosell, gives the Blaugrana first refusal on the Arsenal midfielder if he ever decides he wants to leave north London.
Xavi has been a regular in the Barça side for several seasons, but Begiristain is concerned that he is no longer the driving force he once was.
With Andrés Iniesta impressing in various positions, the Catalan outfit have a ready-made replacement, but want Fàbregas to come back to be the creator in their side.
The story goes completely against Begiristain's statement earlier this month that the club would be unwilling to spend millions on a player that opted to leave them.
Lucas Brown
Now this is interesting isn't it ?
very interesting..you know how long I saying Fabregas needs to come back home. When Henry left, I though Fabregas might get disillusioned and want to leave. he even said that at some point he wants to return to Barca. Home is where the heart is. But for now..Arsenal not letting him og anywhere. He's a big player who should have never escaped, but he made a brilliant choice and is a much better player having gotten the experience he has at Arsenal. At Barca..he would not have broken into the side as quickly... as he himself admits..that's why he made the move to london. Arsenal would do everything to keep him and this article sounds very specualtive...But if its true..I still don't see Barca selling Xavi. Deco..on the oher hand..... :-\
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Van Persie better than Fabregas
better in wha ... cricket ???
I will bookmark this thread when Van Persie come back to full fitness and could put together a string of 10 to 15 games , I'll bring this back up to rub yuh stupid question in yuh face.