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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Flex on November 02, 2010, 04:29:15 AM
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TTFF, Soca Warriors get new court date.
By Denyse Renne (T&T Express).
The Appeal Court is set to begin hearing arguments between the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) and 16 members of the 2006 Soca Warriors team, regarding the payments of monies owed to the players stemming from their World Cup qualification.
The matter came up for hearing yesterday before Justice Rajendra Narine and has been adjourned to November 8, when a panel will adjudicate over the proceedings.
Attorney Kelvin Ramkissoon appeared on behalf of the TTFF, while attorney Dave DePeiza is seeking the interests of the footballers.
The appeal comes on the heels of Rampersad's July 29, ruling, in which the TTFF were ordered to honour their bonus agreement with the players. The judge also ordered the TTFF to absorb the legal costs on behalf of the players.
Local court proceedings were initially filed in November 2008, at the Port of Spain High Court, where the 16 players demanded the High Court enforce the judgement of the London-based Sport Dispute Resolution Panel (SDRP).
The SDRP had ruled in May 2008, that under the terms of a contract agreed by FIFA executive committee member and the TTFF special adviser Jack Warner, the Soca Warriors were owed 50 per cent of all 2006 World Cup commercial revenue.
The footballers in their lawsuit had requested an interim payment of roughly $1.8 million each and their share of the $88 million which the TTFF claimed to have received as World Cup commercial revenue.
However, the TTFF claimed that a breach of confidentiality by the players meant they were (TTFF) were no longer obligated by the agreement.
Following weeks of arguments, Rampersad ruled in favour of the players.
Within hours of receiving Rampersad's ruling, the TTFF and by extension president Oliver Camps appealed Rampersad's decision seeking to have it nullified.
The players who filed the lawsuit are Marvin Andrews, Shaka Hislop, Kelvin Jack, Atiba Charles, Cyd Gray, Ian Cox, Avery John, Brent Sancho, Chris Birchall, Aurtis Whitley, Collin Samuel, Evans Wise, Anthony Wolfe, Cornell Glen, Kenwyne Jones and Stern John.
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TTFF, Soca Warriors get new court date.
By Denyse Renne (T&T Express).
Within hours of receiving Rampersad's ruling, the TTFF and by extension president Oliver Camps appealed Rampersad's decision seeking to have it nullified.
Whhhhaaaattttt??!!! :o :o
I feel I miss something. Weary whey yuh?? Ah going mad....help!!....
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This case get relegated to Kelvin Ramkissoon instead of Om Lalla. I feel the players goign to win soon cause Om busy preparing defences for his number one client against the potential more difficult government scandals that will come inevitably.
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I happy that the Express following up the story closely... but I can't help but notice the substandard journalism again. Who is "Rampersad"?
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TTFF, Soca Warriors get new court date.
By Denyse Renne (T&T Express).
Within hours of receiving Rampersad's ruling, the TTFF and by extension president Oliver Camps appealed Rampersad's decision seeking to have it nullified.
Whhhhaaaattttt??!!! :o :o
I feel I miss something. Weary whey yuh?? Ah going mad....help!!....
U not mising anything there is a new definition of the word hrs.
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The longer this takes to be resolved,favors Jack and his band of not so merrymen,it leaves me with a feeling that the players will get stiffed
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The longer this takes to be resolved,favors Jack and his band of not so merrymen,it leaves me with a feeling that the players will get stiffed
U wrong like an o this is Jack Waterloo.
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I happy that the Express following up the story closely... but I can't help but notice the substandard journalism again. Who is "Rampersad"?
It make yuh think the writer and the judge pitch marbles together eh....steups!!!....
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TTFF, Soca Warriors get new court date.
By Denyse Renne (T&T Express).
Within hours of receiving Rampersad's ruling, the TTFF and by extension president Oliver Camps appealed Rampersad's decision seeking to have it nullified.
Whhhhaaaattttt??!!! :o :o
I feel I miss something. Weary whey yuh?? Ah going mad....help!!....
U not mising anything there is a new definition of the word hrs.
....thanks, ah didn't think so but ah just making sure nah. After all, I'm SURE the journalist did her homework....steups.... ::) ::)
At least they keeping on top of the story.....let me go and check the Guardian or ah Joel Bailey article for some coverage......oops ah forget he ban we.... :devil: ;D damn arse....
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I happy that the Express following up the story closely... but I can't help but notice the substandard journalism again. Who is "Rampersad"?
It make yuh think the writer and the judge pitch marbles together eh....steups!!!....
Just as important...the fact that there was no previous reference to him in the story at all...
I blame cut and paste...
Anyway, as some said, at least it in the news...
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I happy that the Express following up the story closely... but I can't help but notice the substandard journalism again. Who is "Rampersad"?
It make yuh think the writer and the judge pitch marbles together eh....steups!!!....
Just as important...the fact that there was no previous reference to him in the story at all...
This was more the reference I was making... out ah de blue they start dropping "Rampersad" references like the reader intuitively would know who they talking about. Ah mean, we who following the saga know, but the average man on the street was probably scratching he head in confusion.
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It appealssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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It appealssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Waitin 4 u long time on this thread.
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2DAY is NOV 8. Lets c what nonesensical argument is used 2day.
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Case adjourned to next mon when d judge will rule. They also ask 4 a stay of judgement day nov 26th
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Case adjourned to next mon when d judge will rule. They also ask 4 a stay of judgement day nov 26th
Who dey ask for a stay?? The TTFF?? Dey now asking for ah stay??!! And this stay is for the proceedings in the High Court right?? So that the appeal could be heard?? And refresh mih memory, we waiting on which judge to rule the High Court judge or the Appeal judges??
Good lord, I following this thing closely and does still get lorse!!....but God doh sleep....
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Case adjourned to next mon when d judge will rule. They also ask 4 a stay of judgement day nov 26th
Who dey ask for a stay?? The TTFF?? Dey now asking for ah stay??!! And this stay is for the proceedings in the High Court right?? So that the appeal could be heard?? And refresh mih memory, we waiting on which judge to rule the High Court judge or the Appeal judges??
Good lord, I following this thing closely and does still get lorse!!....but God doh sleep....
NOV 26 d judge rules how much money d players gettin. D case 2day was an appeal of the judge decision 2 rule 4 d players. Part of d case 2day was askin d judge 2 put a stay on d proceedings so come nov 26th d judge cyah say how much money d players get.
But this is their WATERLOO it could go d PRIVY COUNCIL AND BACK BUT DEY WILL PAY.
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Case adjourned to next mon when d judge will rule. They also ask 4 a stay of judgement day nov 26th
Who dey ask for a stay?? The TTFF?? Dey now asking for ah stay??!! And this stay is for the proceedings in the High Court right?? So that the appeal could be heard?? And refresh mih memory, we waiting on which judge to rule the High Court judge or the Appeal judges??
Good lord, I following this thing closely and does still get lorse!!....but God doh sleep....
NOV 26 d judge rules how much money d players gettin. D case 2day was an appeal of the judge decision 2 rule 4 d players. Part of d case 2day was askin d judge 2 put a stay on d proceedings so come nov 26th d judge cyah say how much money d players get.
But this is their WATERLOO it could go d PRIVY COUNCIL AND BACK BUT DEY WILL PAY.
So the same judge that supposed to rule on how much money the players getting is the one that grant the stay or that's the court of appeal?? And was the stay granted?? Or is the Appeal Court that supposed to rule next Monday and that includes the stay??
Doh vex with mih eh, ah know ah supposed to know all dis but ah cyar keep track..... :frustrated: :banginghead:
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Case adjourned to next mon when d judge will rule. They also ask 4 a stay of judgement day nov 26th
Who dey ask for a stay?? The TTFF?? Dey now asking for ah stay??!! And this stay is for the proceedings in the High Court right?? So that the appeal could be heard?? And refresh mih memory, we waiting on which judge to rule the High Court judge or the Appeal judges??
Good lord, I following this thing closely and does still get lorse!!....but God doh sleep....
NOV 26 d judge rules how much money d players gettin. D case 2day was an appeal of the judge decision 2 rule 4 d players. Part of d case 2day was askin d judge 2 put a stay on d proceedings so come nov 26th d judge cyah say how much money d players get.
But this is their WATERLOO it could go d PRIVY COUNCIL AND BACK BUT DEY WILL PAY.
So the same judge that supposed to rule on how much money the players getting is the one that grant the stay or that's the court of appeal?? And was the stay granted?? Or is the Appeal Court that supposed to rule next Monday and that includes the stay??
Doh vex with mih eh, ah know ah supposed to know all dis but ah cyar keep track..... :frustrated: :banginghead:
OK take a deep breath. Judge A deciding on nov 26th how much money they getting. Judge B dealing with the appeal of Judge A decision and was asked 2 stay d proceedings 4 Nov 26th.
Hope it helps.
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Case adjourned to next mon when d judge will rule. They also ask 4 a stay of judgement day nov 26th
Who dey ask for a stay?? The TTFF?? Dey now asking for ah stay??!! And this stay is for the proceedings in the High Court right?? So that the appeal could be heard?? And refresh mih memory, we waiting on which judge to rule the High Court judge or the Appeal judges??
Good lord, I following this thing closely and does still get lorse!!....but God doh sleep....
NOV 26 d judge rules how much money d players gettin. D case 2day was an appeal of the judge decision 2 rule 4 d players. Part of d case 2day was askin d judge 2 put a stay on d proceedings so come nov 26th d judge cyah say how much money d players get.
But this is their WATERLOO it could go d PRIVY COUNCIL AND BACK BUT DEY WILL PAY.
So the same judge that supposed to rule on how much money the players getting is the one that grant the stay or that's the court of appeal?? And was the stay granted?? Or is the Appeal Court that supposed to rule next Monday and that includes the stay??
Doh vex with mih eh, ah know ah supposed to know all dis but ah cyar keep track..... :frustrated: :banginghead:
OK take a deep breath. Judge A deciding on nov 26th how much money they getting. Judge B dealing with the appeal of Judge A decision and was asked 2 stay d proceedings 4 Nov 26th.
Hope it helps.
Ok good.......and when will we hear from Judge B??
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Case adjourned to next mon when d judge will rule. They also ask 4 a stay of judgement day nov 26th
Who dey ask for a stay?? The TTFF?? Dey now asking for ah stay??!! And this stay is for the proceedings in the High Court right?? So that the appeal could be heard?? And refresh mih memory, we waiting on which judge to rule the High Court judge or the Appeal judges??
Good lord, I following this thing closely and does still get lorse!!....but God doh sleep....
NOV 26 d judge rules how much money d players gettin. D case 2day was an appeal of the judge decision 2 rule 4 d players. Part of d case 2day was askin d judge 2 put a stay on d proceedings so come nov 26th d judge cyah say how much money d players get.
But this is their WATERLOO it could go d PRIVY COUNCIL AND BACK BUT DEY WILL PAY.
So the same judge that supposed to rule on how much money the players getting is the one that grant the stay or that's the court of appeal?? And was the stay granted?? Or is the Appeal Court that supposed to rule next Monday and that includes the stay??
Doh vex with mih eh, ah know ah supposed to know all dis but ah cyar keep track..... :frustrated: :banginghead:
OK take a deep breath. Judge A deciding on nov 26th how much money they getting. Judge B dealing with the appeal of Judge A decision and was asked 2 stay d proceedings 4 Nov 26th.
Hope it helps.
Ok good.......and when will we hear from Judge B??
MON 15TH
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This woman come back with she inaccuracy again.... The Express editor due for an email...steups!!
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/Warriors_ruling_next_week-106931478.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/Warriors_ruling_next_week-106931478.html)
Warriors ruling next week
By Denyse Renne
Appeal court judge Rajendra Narine has said he will rule next Monday on whether a stay preventing 16 members of the 2006 Soca Warriors World Cup team from receiving money owed to them by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) will be lifted.
The matter which was held in Chamber Court, came up for hearing yesterday and following submissions was adjourned. Attorneys Om Lalla and Kelvin Ramkissoon appeared on behalf of the TTFF, while attorney Dave DePeiza is seeking the interest of the footballers.
The appeal comes on the heels of Justice Devindra Rampersad's July 29, ruling, in which the TTFF were ordered to honour their bonus agreement with the players. The judge also ordered the TTFF to absorb the legal costs on behalf of the players. Local court proceedings were initially filed in November 2008, at the Port of Spain High Court, where the 16 players demanded the High Court enforce the judgement of the London -based Sport Dispute Resolution Panel (SDRP).
The SDRP had ruled in May 2008 that under the terms of a contract-agreed by FIFA Executive Committee member and the TTFF Special Adviser Jack Warner, that the Soca Warriors were owed 50 per cent of all 2006 World Cup commercial revenue. The footballers in their lawsuit had requested an interim payment of roughly $1.8 million each and their share of the $88 million which the TTFF claimed to have received as World Cup commercial revenue.
However, the TTFF claimed that a breach of confidentiality by the players meant they were (TTFF) were no longer obligated by the agreement. Following weeks of arguments, Rampersad ruled in favour of the players.
Within hours of receiving Rampersad's ruling, the TTFF and by extension Oliver Camps appealed Rampersad's decision seeking to have it nullified. ??? ::)
The players who filed the lawsuit are Marvin Andrews, Shaka Hislop, Kelvin Jack, Atiba Charles, Cyd Gray, Ian Cox, Avery John, Brent Sancho, Chris Birchall, Aurtis Whitley, Collin Samuel, Evans Wise, Anthony Wolfe, Cornell Glen, Kenwyne Jones and Stern John.
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Basically, TTFF are still arguing that the breach of confidentiality has made the arbitration ruling null and void. The judge hearing the appeal is trying to understand why TTFF have only recently appealed, rather than appeal immediately after the arbitration, as the prescribed in the legal process. There is no new evidence and TTFF have never appealed that the ruling was unjust or unsound. TTFF even had their British lawyer, McKenzie in court.
Seems that the judge is struggling to find any reason to uphold the appeal, particularly as there is still no evidence of who made the leak.
My guess is that no matter how much legal gamesmanship takes place from TTFF, T&T judges won't be mammaguyed into supporting them unless there are strong valid legal reasons. It seems that the tide may have changed and suddenly, the name Jack Warner, bears no weight in the courtroom.
If the judge rules against TTFF on 15th, it will be interesting to see how they will deal with Mr Rampersad on 26th. After all, instead of complying with his orders to provide information for 26th, TTFF have instead entered into yet another frivolous time wasting excercise.
I still don't understand how they are allowee to run up huge legal costs when part of the money being spent is from the taxpayers. I know the government aren't supposed to intervene due to FIFA rules, but isn't that what Anil did on saturday when he critiscised the players?
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Basically, TTFF are still arguing that the breach of confidentiality has made the arbitration ruling null and void. The judge hearing the appeal is trying to understand why TTFF have only recently appealed, rather than appeal immediately after the arbitration, as the prescribed in the legal process. There is no new evidence and TTFF have never appealed that the ruling was unjust or unsound. TTFF even had their British lawyer, McKenzie in court.
Seems that the judge is struggling to find any reason to uphold the appeal, particularly as there is still no evidence of who made the leak.
My guess is that no matter how much legal gamesmanship takes place from TTFF, T&T judges won't be mammaguyed into supporting them unless there are strong valid legal reasons. It seems that the tide may have changed and suddenly, the name Jack Warner, bears no weight in the courtroom.
If the judge rules against TTFF on 15th, it will be interesting to see how they will deal with Mr Rampersad on 26th. After all, instead of complying with his orders to provide information for 26th, TTFF have instead entered into yet another frivolous time wasting excercise.
I still don't understand how they are allowee to run up huge legal costs when part of the money being spent is from the taxpayers. I know the government aren't supposed to intervene due to FIFA rules, but isn't that what Anil did on saturday when he critiscised the players?
Criticise all he said was that he spoke 2 dem and tell him that they eh entitle to all dat money.
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I understand that today, Appeal Court Judge Rajendra Narine decided to lift the stay preventing 16 members of the 2006 Soca Warriors World Cup team from receiving money owed to them by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF).
I also understand that TTFF will now request more time to provide the accounts and documents requested by Judge Ramersad on 29th July to assist his ruling on 26th November.
I also understand that the players have no problem with allowing TTFF more time providing TTFF make the interim payment of TT$44 million (50% of uncontested figures of TT$88 million) plus legal costs.
If the requested documents are not produced it will be interesting to see which punative route Judge Rampersad will take, remembering that Richard Groden stated in the press two years ago that KPMG have a complete set of accounts, TTFF have never contested the figure of TT$180 million, and, of course, every public company (particularly those that receive funding from government) have to file audited accounts every tax year.
It is also interesting that TTFF are paying huge salaries to its employees such as Russel Latapy, so TTFF cannot proclaim bankruptcy.
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<restrained screams of joy>
Ah need to contain mih self....until money in the bank, but it safe to say the players won this round AGAIN??!!
<really, really trying hard not to start jumping up and down like a mad woman!!>
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I also understand that the players have no problem with allowing TTFF more time providing TTFF make the interim payment of TT$44 million (50% of uncontested figures of TT$88 million) plus legal costs.
I guess Warner will pay it out of his bank account :devil: :devil:
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I also understand that the players have no problem with allowing TTFF more time providing TTFF make the interim payment of TT$44 million (50% of uncontested figures of TT$88 million) plus legal costs.
I guess Warner will pay it out of his bank account :devil: :devil:
What yuh implying Trini_2014?? :whistling: :devil:
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PAY DE FOOTBALLERS!! PAY DE FOOTBALLERS!!
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PAY DE FOOTBALLERS!!BAM BAM !!PAY DE FOOTBALLERS!!BAM BAM !!
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dear faddah, let this be finally over and done!!!!!
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Pay de players. Every blasted cent.
Nuff respect to the persistence of Sancho, Kelvin J, Hislop, Kenwyne, Stern, de boy from Mayaro and de res' ah de crew who stuck all de way and even those who could afford to hol' orn for a time T. Nuff respect to these fellahs who eat persecution to different degrees like there was no tomorrow. Also kudos from those on de Socawarrior blog who draw de line in de sand on dis issue ..... but watch..... it eh ovah yet. Keep yuh guard up and be attentive. Very attentive.
Let a precedent be set .... dat if yuh rob people and exploit people then you WILL eventually geh bun and feel it where it hurts de most .... in yuh pocket. So Jackula, Scamps and Rodent, go ahead and try dis again wit' de nex' batch of presumably naive warriors for 2012 and see how far yuh get. >:(
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I also understand that the players have no problem with allowing TTFF more time providing TTFF make the interim payment of TT$44 million (50% of uncontested figures of TT$88 million) plus legal costs.
I guess Warner will pay it out of his bank account :devil: :devil:
What yuh implying Trini_2014?? :whistling: :devil:
YES ENLIGHTEN US.
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Kudos as well to Mssrs. Hislop (Sr.), De Peiza and Townley as well for their dogged and diligent pursuit of justice for these players. I won't fully celebrate until the ink has dried on the check, it has been deposited and has been cleared by the players' bank/s. However, based on the information I have seen, I'd be surprised if this charade goes on any further.
The TTFF have employed a number of dilatory practices in hopes of frustrating the plaintiffs into settlement. I think the Court has finally begun to recognize it for what it is. From what I understand the plaintiffs have been awarded costs resulting from the appeals. The court should go a step further and award attorney fees to the plaintiffs as well... it's really a travesty of justice that the TTFF have been allowed to misuse the court to frustrate the wheels of justice as they have.
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PAY DE FOOTBALLERS!!BAM BAM !!PAY DE FOOTBALLERS!!BAM BAM !!
PING PONG PING PONG
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/Appeal_Court_rules_in_favour_of_Soca_Warriors-108301539.html
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Pay de players. Every blasted cent.
Nuff respect to the persistence of Sancho, Kelvin J, Hislop, Kenwyne, Stern, de boy from Mayaro and de res' ah de crew who stuck all de way and even those who could afford to hol' orn for a time T. Nuff respect to these fellahs who eat persecution to different degrees like there was no tomorrow. Also kudos from those on de Socawarrior blog who draw de line in de sand on dis issue ..... but watch..... it eh ovah yet. Keep yuh guard up and be attentive. Very attentive.
Let a precedent be set .... dat if yuh rob people and exploit people then you WILL eventually geh bun and feel it where it hurts de most .... in yuh pocket. So Jackula, Scamps and Rodent, go ahead and try dis again wit' de nex' batch of presumably naive warriors for 2012 and see how far yuh get. >:(
ENT NOT UNTIL D CHEQUE CLEAR. Not sure dey eh go try it again it eh have no Sancho and Hislop in dem bunch. Dey fraid 2 join FPATT.