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The price of patriotism.
« on: April 30, 2006, 10:00:01 PM »
The price of patriotism.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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Lasana Liburd ponders FIFA VP Jack Warner's obsession with high ticket prices.
Trinidad and Tobago sport fans will pay a possible record attendance fee to see the "Soca Warriors" play Peru in an international friendly on May 10 at the Hasely Crawford Stadium. Tickets for the uncovered stand cost $300 while supporters in the covered stand must fork out $500 each with no concessions for children-or government ministers.
Works and Transport Minister Colm Imbert plans to "storm". He insisted that it was a matter of principle.
"I certainly will be going to the game," Imbert said at last week's post-Cabinet press conference. "I mean the National Stadium is state property The stadium does belong to the people of T&T and as the Government we are the custodians of State property."
In response, FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special adviser Jack Warner promised to save him the trouble-and potential embarrassment of being turned away by unimpressed, rented security.
"Since 'no-one is above the law'," said Warner, "( ) I have taken it upon myself to purchase the ticket for Minister Imbert And I have so advised the ticket collectors at the VIP entrance of the covered stand."
It is lovely when things work out. At the very least, Imbert should send Warner his appreciation by text-via bmobile, of course.
But what about the other 100,000 or so citizens who would also like to see their national heroes for the last time before they head to the 2006 World Cup in Germany?
They cannot all get in to the Hasely Crawford Stadium, which seats roughly 23,000. So, by the law of supply and demand, Warner is justified in hiking ticket prices-simply because he can.
Only Warner dares not spout such capitalist slogans. He cannot risk sneering "Ticket or leave it!" while knowing fully well that government funding is instrumental to the T&TFF's football programme.
Warner, who was rebuked by FIFA in February for monopolising Trinidad and Tobago's ticket allocation for his own benefit, may also be wary of pushing local fans too far by openly exploiting their affection for the Warriors.
So, instead, he went for reverse psychology.
"Ask not what your football team can do for you but what you can do for your team!"
The Warriors, it seems, have a real financial crisis. They are bordering on destitute-in spite of a $39 million FIFA payout, $45 million guarantee from the T&T government and approximately $20 million in private sponsorship deals.
It is for the team's sake that Warner asked fans to dig deep and pay more than double the gate fee of $100 and $200 from the World Cup qualifying series.
Warner's financial arguments, not for the first time, were far from convincing.
There is an accommodation cost to offset in Germany, Warner explained, as national coach Leo Beenhakker wants the T&TFF officials to stay as far from the players as possible.
Only thing is FIFA said last December that it pays for accommodation for players and officials.
Warner pointed out that there was a $2.2 million loss to offset from February's international friendly against Iceland, as well as an additional $1.4 million to pay for Peru to bring its best possible team.
As regards the Iceland fixture, Warner neglected to dissect the costs or explain how a match already budgeted for can possibly incur such a loss. Or, in the latter case, exactly what type of team was Peru sending in the first place and why should T&T again be forced to go so far over its budget to coax them into sending a decent team?
Surely Warner's most eye-opening assertion was that the price had been fixed to offset the cost of giving the players two World Cup tickets each "at no cost".
Warner admitted to selling approximately 2,000 World Cup tickets meant for Trinidad and Tobago fans through Simpaul Travel by mid-February. At a profit of nearly $15,000 per package-which includes three tickets-Warner's family already benefited in the vicinity of $9 million. (Warner took his name off Simpaul's list of directors last March, although there is no evidence that he sold his shares in the company).
For Warner to balk at giving 46 complimentary tickets to the national squad, who set the stage for him to make such a handsome profit in the first place, is a lack of respect to the players' value. But for Warner to expect fans to foot the bill is an insult to the nation's collective intelligence.
Like Icarus in Greek mythology, Warner is flying dangerously close to the sun.
Beenhakker made light of the T&TFF's claim that the upcoming friendly is crucial to his preparation for the World Cup.
"Peru is more of a farewell game with all the activities going on," said Beenhakker, last Thursday. "From the moment we arrive in England (on May 16), we start (our serious work). Our preparation begins from the first game against Wales in Austria."
So, Trinidad and Tobago fans must pay an unprecedented fee to give their own team a proper send-off. But is Warner's asking price really too steep or are critics merely too cheap?
Perhaps the best indication would be to look at the prices being quoted by fellow World Cup playing nations. And it does not lend credence to the T&TFF's price hike.
In Britain, for instance, supporters will pay TT$280 (£25) to watch England play Jamaica in May, while German friendlies against other nations who, unlike Peru, will actually play in the 2006 World Cup range between TT$115 (15 Euros) and TT$458 (60 Euros).
The average salary in Germany, mind you, is TT$15,910 or 2,083 Euros per month as opposed to TT$3,500 or 458 Euros per month in Trinidad and Tobago.
Imbert, as an engineer and Member of Parliament, earns comfortably more than the average local salary but remained unconvinced at the price hike.
Tongue-in-cheek, Warner interceded on his behalf.
The rest of the nation, though, will pay heavily for their love of football in general and the Soca Warriors in particular. Warner will scrutinise the response from the public.
More than the challenge posed by 16 Peruvians, it is the jousting between Warner and the general public that might have the biggest effect on the future of local football under the present T&TFF administration.


 
Fans purchase tickets at the Hasely Crawford Stadium last Saturday for the international friendly between Trinidad and Tobago's Soca Warriors and Peru at the same venue on Wednesday, May 10.
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Re: The price of patriotism
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2006, 10:15:21 PM »


In Britain, for instance, supporters will pay TT$280 (£25) to watch England play Jamaica in May, while German friendlies against other nations who, unlike Peru, will actually play in the 2006 World Cup range between TT$115 (15 Euros) and TT$458 (60 Euros).

The average salary in Germany, mind you, is TT$15,910 or 2,083 Euros per month as opposed to TT$3,500 or 458 Euros per month in Trinidad and Tobago.
 


I almost can't believe this one. German fans paying so little to watch their National team before the WC pay 15 euros.Now obviously Liburd chose to focus on the price of the  least attractive seats but in any case that is chicken feed for a German. You would think any game Germany would play at home will attract huge demand and thereby increase the market price. I suppose the German FA and the TTFF have different goals.

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Re: The price of patriotism
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2006, 10:20:50 PM »


In Britain, for instance, supporters will pay TT$280 (£25) to watch England play Jamaica in May, while German friendlies against other nations who, unlike Peru, will actually play in the 2006 World Cup range between TT$115 (15 Euros) and TT$458 (60 Euros).

The average salary in Germany, mind you, is TT$15,910 or 2,083 Euros per month as opposed to TT$3,500 or 458 Euros per month in Trinidad and Tobago.
 



I almost can't believe this one. German fans paying so little to watch their National team before the WC pay 15 euros.Now obviously Liburd chose to focus on the price of the  least attractive seats but in any case that is chicken feed for a German. You would think any game Germany would play at home will attract huge demand and thereby increase the market price. I suppose the German FA and the TTFF have different goals.

Price of watching Trinidad v Wales in Austria is only 5.50 Euros (~43 TTD) to 27.50 Euros (~216 TTD)

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Re: The price of patriotism
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2006, 10:26:17 PM »


In Britain, for instance, supporters will pay TT$280 (£25) to watch England play Jamaica in May, while German friendlies against other nations who, unlike Peru, will actually play in the 2006 World Cup range between TT$115 (15 Euros) and TT$458 (60 Euros).

The average salary in Germany, mind you, is TT$15,910 or 2,083 Euros per month as opposed to TT$3,500 or 458 Euros per month in Trinidad and Tobago.
 

I almost can't believe this one. German fans paying so little to watch their National team before the WC pay 15 euros.Now obviously Liburd chose to focus on the price of the  least attractive seats but in any case that is chicken feed for a German. You would think any game Germany would play at home will attract huge demand and thereby increase the market price. I suppose the German FA and the TTFF have different goals.

For one thing, Germay have bigger stadia so they can spread the cost over more seats. Also, I also think that for a team like Germany or England who have serious aspirations to the cup, a practice match before the big dance isn't exactly an event.

Lastly, I don't think Liburd focussed on the price of the least attractive seats, he gave the range that the ticket prices cover.
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Re: The price of patriotism
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2006, 10:28:22 PM »
JW is a man who love money, money is de root of all evil, where JW resides :devil:

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Re: The price of patriotism
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2006, 10:34:48 PM »

Liburd could have done better and provide more statistics with regard to ticket prices rather than pick and choose which ones to highlight costs.

If he wanted he could look at "poorer" countries and tell us the price there for big matches.

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Re: The price of patriotism
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2006, 10:49:43 PM »

In Britain, for instance, supporters will pay TT$280 (£25) to watch England play Jamaica in May, while German friendlies against other nations who, unlike Peru, will actually play in the 2006 World Cup range between TT$115 (15 Euros) and TT$458 (60 Euros).
Now is the lower price for the worse seats and the higher price for the better seats... Seeing that is is only two types of seeting that we have the price for coverd stand is comparable with the higher price quoted and of course because uncovered is only one section(who reach first get the better seats) then $300 aint a bad price working with the Nos given...BUT(here comes the important part) Look at the difference in the average wages..... Talk done...

I live in England so I can afford to pay £25 or more to watch a game but  when I was home and when I go home now is no way I coulld pay that kinda money...especially as you also have to by a team juzey to go the game in....

Two tickets to groungs      $600  
Two Replica Shirts             $800   (That is with no number)

                                     $1400
Now ah have to buy drinks and Ah have to lime after....and ah know it have peoplegoing to make the trop from bago....

Little more and you have to take a lone to go that game......


p.s. I put tickets for two but in reality it go be me and the 2 boys, and we going from bago.......but them Nos go be too high to put on the board...

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Re: The price of patriotism
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2006, 10:52:32 PM »

especially as you also have to by a team juzey to go the game in....

Two Replica Shirts             $800   (That is with no number)


                                     $1400

what you talkin bout willis?

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2006, 10:58:32 PM »

especially as you also have to by a team juzey to go the game in....

Two Replica Shirts             $800   (That is with no number)


                                     $1400

what you talkin bout willis?
is it not $400 for a plain shirt and $450 with Nos and name ???????

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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2006, 10:59:44 PM »

especially as you also have to by a team juzey to go the game in....

Two Replica Shirts             $800   (That is with no number)


                                     $1400

what you talkin bout willis?
is it not $400 for a plain shirt and $450 with Nos and name ???????

yeah but you dont HAVE to buy one to get in

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Re: The price of patriotism
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2006, 11:01:42 PM »
Aussie $$  to T&T $$
1 AUD = 4.70795 TTD
so multiply by 5

Australia  vs.  Greece

Full View Seating

Category 1   $120.00  (no concessions)

Category 2
$75.00  - Adult
$37.50  - Concession (see additional information)

$150.00  - Family (2 Adults + 2 Children)
 

Category 3

$40.00  - Adult

$20.00  - Concession (see additional information)

$80.00  - Family (2 Adults + 2 Children)

 
All this for a 50,000 seater stadium with all the tickets sold out.

Trying to look up some prices for Poland games against Lithuania but cah find anything.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2006, 11:08:46 PM »

especially as you also have to by a team juzey to go the game in....

Two Replica Shirts             $800   (That is with no number)


                                     $1400

what you talkin bout willis?
is it not $400 for a plain shirt and $450 with Nos and name ???????

yeah but you dont HAVE to buy one to get in
Man I is a Soca Warrior...I ent going in nothing less...

Besides...Everybody I see that was not in red in 1989 was being carried out by firemen and red cross...all passed out...you feel I stupid

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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2006, 11:10:26 PM »

especially as you also have to by a team juzey to go the game in....

Two Replica Shirts             $800   (That is with no number)


                                     $1400

what you talkin bout willis?
is it not $400 for a plain shirt and $450 with Nos and name ???????

yeah but you dont HAVE to buy one to get in
Man I is a Soca Warrior...I ent going in nothing less...

Besides...Everybody I see that was not in red in 1989 was being carried out by firemen and red cross...all passed out...you feel I stupid

cool but doh complain then  :beermug:

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2006, 11:16:29 PM »

especially as you also have to by a team juzey to go the game in....

Two Replica Shirts             $800   (That is with no number)


                                     $1400

what you talkin bout willis?
is it not $400 for a plain shirt and $450 with Nos and name ???????

yeah but you dont HAVE to buy one to get in
Man I is a Soca Warrior...I ent going in nothing less...

Besides...Everybody I see that was not in red in 1989 was being carried out by firemen and red cross...all passed out...you feel I stupid

cool but doh complain then  :beermug:
It is my right to complain... ever heard of free speech

Man I don't know about you, bit I was not rich when I was living home and I know what forking out that kinda money means to a man pocket.

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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2006, 11:26:07 PM »

especially as you also have to by a team juzey to go the game in....

Two Replica Shirts             $800   (That is with no number)


                                     $1400

what you talkin bout willis?
is it not $400 for a plain shirt and $450 with Nos and name ???????

yeah but you dont HAVE to buy one to get in
Man I is a Soca Warrior...I ent going in nothing less...

Besides...Everybody I see that was not in red in 1989 was being carried out by firemen and red cross...all passed out...you feel I stupid

cool but doh complain then  :beermug:
It is my right to complain... ever heard of free speech

Man I don't know about you, bit I was not rich when I was living home and I know what forking out that kinda money means to a man pocket.

well Ras I gone to plenty matches in jus meh red T shirt.  If you feel you have to go in an official kit or not go at all dais your thing.  Weather you rich or not, my point is you eh have to buy a jersey to get in...dais all

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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2006, 11:28:29 PM »


i like how spalk talk about imbert and give hime a



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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2006, 11:47:15 PM »
I a man willing to pay the 300. It steep...yes i cuss...buh i go do it. Few normal fans however would. My mother stop goin football since 1989 cuz according to she "she cyar take having to give jack money.....and letting he tief it and den act like he dis great saint." My nex brethrin who i was tryin to sell a ticket to tell me "Since when we standard of football worth 300 dollars." Now cuz i only had money for MY ticket alone....buh they givin out in 4's..........and i couldnt get the money for the rest.........i hadda scrunt. I go find some means to do it.........buh Jack pushing a thin line here with people......he  greed go collapse in on him....mark my words.
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2006, 11:59:56 PM »

especially as you also have to by a team juzey to go the game in....

Two Replica Shirts             $800   (That is with no number)


                                     $1400

what you talkin bout willis?
is it not $400 for a plain shirt and $450 with Nos and name ???????

yeah but you dont HAVE to buy one to get in
Man I is a Soca Warrior...I ent going in nothing less...

Besides...Everybody I see that was not in red in 1989 was being carried out by firemen and red cross...all passed out...you feel I stupid

cool but doh complain then  :beermug:
It is my right to complain... ever heard of free speech

Man I don't know about you, bit I was not rich when I was living home and I know what forking out that kinda money means to a man pocket.

well Ras I gone to plenty matches in jus meh red T shirt.  If you feel you have to go in an official kit or not go at all dais your thing.  Weather you rich or not, my point is you eh have to buy a jersey to get in...dais all
Well you have no point then.... Why you picking on the words and not seeing the message.....

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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2006, 12:23:03 AM »
Let me explain it to you if you don't understand- The name of the Thread is The price of Patriotism... Not the price of getting into the stadium.... Patriotism includes all that is done in support of th team, that includes buying the Team Shirt,..... I never said that you had to buy the shirt to get in.

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Re: The price of patriotism
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2006, 04:10:10 AM »
so wmah to men who flying down fuh de game ???
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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2006, 04:28:31 AM »
Maybe I'm wrong..but the govt. is supposed to be paying for the stadium rental..which is around 200 000 TT.

Now if they're not and Jack still waiting for he money for Beenie salary plus additional team expenses...I could understand the frustration.

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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2006, 05:04:15 AM »
German ticket prices are usually low compared to other big European leagues so it will not be a fair comparison to TnT. I am sure that English prices will look very different.

As far as I see it, it is a one-off game where they are trying to take advantage of demand to make some money for once.

It is my right to complain... ever heard of free speech

Man I don't know about you, bit I was not rich when I was living home and I know what forking out that kinda money means to a man pocket.

You also have the responsibility to make sense.

You can't use the cost of the jersey to complain about the cost of the tickets because they are separate things and because the jersey is not overpriced.

That is like saying that yuh can't buy bread to eat because of the cost of ice-cream.

If yuh want to support the team and your money tight buy one or the other, both of them contributing to the team anyway.
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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2006, 05:33:47 AM »
For the average man who support T&T right through this price is real pressure. Dem prices is for them wagon jumpers.
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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2006, 06:04:45 AM »
German ticket prices are usually low compared to other big European leagues so it will not be a fair comparison to TnT. I am sure that English prices will look very different.

As far as I see it, it is a one-off game where they are trying to take advantage of demand to make some money for once.

It is my right to complain... ever heard of free speech

Man I don't know about you, bit I was not rich when I was living home and I know what forking out that kinda money means to a man pocket.

You also have the responsibility to make sense.

You can't use the cost of the jersey to complain about the cost of the tickets because they are separate things and because the jersey is not overpriced.

That is like saying that yuh can't buy bread to eat because of the cost of ice-cream.

If yuh want to support the team and your money tight buy one or the other, both of them contributing to the team anyway.
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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2006, 06:15:43 AM »
Dat is madness !!  If I was in Trini yuh feel I was going any game paying three hundred dollars.......IN Uncovered ?

NO FLICKIN WAY !!!!!!
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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2006, 06:40:29 AM »
Dat is madness !!  If I was in Trini yuh feel I was going any game paying three hundred dollars.......IN Uncovered ?

NO FLICKIN WAY !!!!!!
Easy to say that, but I guarantee if you were home admist the atmosphere and the excitement of seeing all that red in the stadium, hearing and singing your National anthem, seeing Latas play his final game at home, hearing that rythmn section, seeing Edwards dribble ah man, Birchie cracking one off, Yorke commanding the mid-field and spraying pass, John shooting a bullet, think about it....

I would certainly be there for I am a WARRIOR!!!!!! :applause: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
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Re: The price of patriotism
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2006, 06:44:37 AM »
This game is a ONE OFF game.  Those countries Liburd used are football mad countries that regularly see their team play friendlies and see their players like Rooney, Owen, Ballack, play week in, week out. When last did we see Yorke play, Stern play, Latas play...on home soil.

So it is about Demand and the fact that it's "an event."  Yuh think you going and wine on ah bamsee before yuh see Owen represent England. Yuh think performers...like Elton John or some British band performing. Pum Pum shorts everywhere. Yuh doh need that to see football in Germany or England. Ah lot ah times yuh need dem thing in T&T.

Plus is ah send off fuh the team.

Jack must be singing..."It hard out here for ah Pimp." :devil:

Demand and availability usually determine prices. It aint no different in Football

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« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2006, 07:07:15 AM »
Ah going out on a limb here ... but we still need to raise money for the team to play warm up matches, travel, hotel, food, etc ... it just might be possible that JW is doing the right thing ... i'm not saying he always has but supply and demand issues aside ... the team will play sub par football with out the a significant flow of cash.  this is not just about the game of football ... its about the business of football whether we like it or not.  it will take lots of money for us to grow into a great footballing nation.  by the way the team that the rest of the football world loves to hate (Uncle Sams Army) has been successful becaasue they run this thing like a business, by the way they are now ranked in the top 10.

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Re: The price of patriotism.
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2006, 07:18:07 AM »
What is all d fuss....

You ent want to pay 300 stay home.

It is certainly not about the money...because at 10 and 20$ Larry Gomes and Manny was empty.

You not paying to watch Peru...you paying to watch your TT players.

The Grenada games show again was who was die hard in TT.....in fact they shoulda give the people who went them game a "bligh" for Peru tickets.

Peru game is for the waggonist.....and yes Jam them with price and milk them for as much as you could.

It only have about 1000 die hard in that stadium and we will make the sacrifice put aside the money and go chupidee chupidee because we love our team and we never miss a game.

Read the posts....all d men who bawling is people not living in TT, people who doe go game regular, and people who hop on the wagon after Guatemala.

It is not about the money...it is about what the Warriors mean to you.

 
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Re: The price of patriotism.
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2006, 07:25:37 AM »
What is all d fuss....

You ent want to play 300 stay home.

It is certainly not about the money...because at 10 and 20$ Larry Gomes and Manny was empty.

You not paying to watch Peru...you paying to watch your TT players.

The Grenada games show again was who was die hard in TT.....in fact they shoulda give the people who went them game a "bligh" for Peru tickets.

Peru game is for the waggonist.....and yes Jam them with price and milk them for as much as you could.

It only have about 1000 die hard in that stadium and we will make the sacrifice put aside the money and go chupidee chupidee because we love our team and we never miss a game.



I agree wit dat,, if yuh vex, keep yuh money in yuh pocket.

iF Yuh eh see de game, yuh eh go drop dead

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