Author Topic: Tobago United cant win? Why? (Read 5103 times)

Swede · « **on:** July 20, 2006, 03:50:02 PM »

Tobago United seams to not have the quality to win one single match. Are they to weak the whole team?

Trini _2026 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2006, 05:19:55 PM »

yes they are weak very verrrrrrrrrrrrrry weak and poorly coached you could say

Baygo Boy · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2006, 08:40:31 AM »

The problem with Tobago United is Granville's philosophy. It's not that he is a bad coach - he is quite knowledgeable, and good technically. When he started this team he only wanted players that he considered very disciplined, he refused to sign the so-called "rude boy" even though he knew that the majority of talented Tobagonian ballers would fall into that category - players that would show up late to training, willing to cuss other players, and even disrespect refs etc ala Carrington, Ashley MacMillian and on, and on, and on.

Also, Peter's does have a heavy personality, and historically Tobagonians have had a hard time dealing with folks like that.

If he changes his philosophy, and tweak his personality, I assure you the better Tobagonian ballers would seriously consider playing for him. I have had conversations with several of the better Tobagonian ballers, including some foreign based players they will play for him if he changes his attitude towards some of them, and those who would play for him don't want to play if some of the players listed below are not on the team.

A truly representative Tobago United roster will include the following along with about 12 from the curent squad:
GK - Richard Goddard (Toronto Lynx - USL A-League)
DF - Oz Taylor
DF - Makan Hislop (upon return fron college)
DF - Cyd Gray (If no foreign contract, and they give him around $60- $80,000 TT per year)
MF - Hayden Fitzwilliams
MF - Devon Leacock
MF - Keon Daniel
MF - Darren Toby (upon return from college)
F - Kevin Nelson
F - Micheal Carrington
F - Ashley MacMillian

A Tobago team, or any team for that matter that includes the above will most certainly be near the top of T&T pro football. Also a Tobago United team that includes a majority would attract sponsorship from corporate Tobago, and we know them hotels "makin paper".

ricky · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2006, 09:04:35 AM »

Quote from: Baygo Boy on July 21, 2006, 08:40:31 AM

A truly representative Tobago United roster will include the following along with about 12 from the curent squad:
GK - Richard Goddard (Toronto Lynx - USL A-League)

i dont think Richard G playing ball this year...ah wonder if he would go back home to play?
Richard G....wah yuh say?

Baygo Boy · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2006, 09:08:37 AM »

Richard is playing, and will go if paper is adequate

ricky · « **Reply #5 on:** July 21, 2006, 09:10:26 AM »

Quote from: Baygo Boy on July 21, 2006, 09:08:37 AM

Richard is playing, and will go if paper is adequate

who he playing with?? cause he and the lynx cut ties unless they take him back??

football king · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2006, 09:29:18 AM »

fitzwilliams is a boss player
baygo boy no colin phillips or duncan?

sprog · « **Reply #7 on:** July 21, 2006, 02:10:53 PM »

Carrington i like, he just score a best goal this week, loads of talent.

weary1969 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2006, 05:52:19 PM »

Why do we not encourage the players to arrive early for training, stop cussing the refs etc. Why is it that Grenville must lower his standards for some uncultured men.

As much as I would want to cuss my boss I cannot if I want to continue to be in his employ. The same should go for fotballers as this is their job I assume.

Today you're the dog, tomorrow you're the hydrant - so be good to others - it comes back!"

Rastaman · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2006, 06:46:14 PM »

Quote from: weary1969 on July 21, 2006, 05:52:19 PM

Why do we not encourage the players to arrive early for training, stop cussing the refs etc. Why is it that Grenville must lower his standards for some uncultured men.

As much as I would want to cuss my boss I cannot if I want to continue to be in his employ. The same should go for fotballers as this is their job I assume.

Today you're the dog, tomorrow you're the hydrant - so be good to others - it comes back!"

I made this point on the last Tobago United Thread. The players do not see playing for TU as a job. That is one of the main problems.

Rastaman · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2006, 06:47:02 PM »

Quote from: ricky on July 21, 2006, 09:10:26 AM

Quote from: Baygo Boy on July 21, 2006, 09:08:37 AM
Richard is playing, and will go if paper is adequate

who he playing with?? cause he and the lynx cut ties unless they take him back??

I think he went back to then, not sure. It was posted here the other day.

Rastaman · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2006, 06:51:40 PM »

Quote from: Rastaman on July 21, 2006, 06:47:02 PM

Quote from: ricky on July 21, 2006, 09:10:26 AM
Quote from: Baygo Boy on July 21, 2006, 09:08:37 AM
Richard is playing, and will go if paper is adequate

who he playing with?? cause he and the lynx cut ties unless they take him back??
I think he went back to then, not sure. It was posted here the other day.

See here

http://www.a-league.com/news/2006/news,2006,0067.shtml

This was one month after he was released so it seems he is back with them.

(P.S. ah tief this from Tallman)

ricky · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2006, 06:57:41 PM »

Quote from: Rastaman on July 21, 2006, 06:51:40 PM

Quote from: Rastaman on July 21, 2006, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: ricky on July 21, 2006, 09:10:26 AM
Quote from: Baygo Boy on July 21, 2006, 09:08:37 AM
Richard is playing, and will go if paper is adequate

who he playing with?? cause he and the lynx cut ties unless they take him back??
I think he went back to then, not sure. It was posted here the other day.
See here

http://www.a-league.com/news/2006/news,2006,0067.shtml

This was one month after he was released so it seems he is back with them.

(P.S. ah tief this from Tallman)

thanks ras, i missed that

Baygo Boy · « **Reply #13 on:** July 22, 2006, 11:01:38 AM »

Quote from: weary1969 on July 21, 2006, 05:52:19 PM

Why do we not encourage the players to arrive early for training, stop cussing the refs etc. Why is it that Grenville must lower his standards for some uncultured men.

As much as I would want to cuss my boss I cannot if I want to continue to be in his employ. The same should go for fotballers as this is their job I assume.

Today you're the dog, tomorrow you're the hydrant - so be good to others - it comes back!"

I agree. I am not condoning indiscipline, but don't call your team Tobago United, and not have it be a truely representive Tobago team that most 'bagonians would be pleased with and proud of. Also, Peter is in a position to help the so-called rude boys become "better" individuals through football - BSC did it for years.

Sam · « **Reply #14 on:** July 22, 2006, 11:03:49 AM »

So why is it so hard to get rid of this Peter Grandville ? is he the Jack Warner of Tobago.

Baygo Boy · « **Reply #15 on:** July 22, 2006, 11:09:04 AM »

Peter is a co-owner of Tobago United. Peter is a good coach, but he doesn't seem willing to work with our "at risk" ballers, who are some of our better players.

DeSoWa · « **Reply #16 on:** July 22, 2006, 11:14:37 AM »

Just a question...can tobago support 2 PFL/Super League teams? if so why don't they try to have a rival team to spark competition? those of you in tobago might be able to answer this.

Big Up!

Baygo Boy · « **Reply #17 on:** July 22, 2006, 11:27:20 AM »

DeSoWa, Yes we can, but the clubs need to change the prevailing mind-set as regards who or what this game is about. The clubs need to recognize that this game is only about 2 groups of people - those that play it, and those that watch it. Those in the middle (Administrators) are mere facilitators. If we can get them to understand this, it would be so much easier for them to create a "real" footballing athmosphere in Tobago. I am confident that we can see sell out venues like we did in the past, if our clubs focus on during what's right for the players and their fans.

Teflon Don · « **Reply #18 on:** July 22, 2006, 06:24:47 PM »

DF - Cyd Gray (If no foreign contract, and they give him around $60- $80,000 TT per year)

Cyd is a big player daz shit money for him....dey go hadda pay he $120,000tt per year for d least

Bourbon · « **Reply #19 on:** July 22, 2006, 07:20:51 PM »

Quote from: weary1969 on July 21, 2006, 05:52:19 PM

Why do we not encourage the players to arrive early for training, stop cussing the refs etc. Why is it that Grenville must lower his standards for some uncultured men.

Exactly.

Jefferz · « **Reply #20 on:** July 22, 2006, 07:27:10 PM »

Quote from: Baygo Boy on July 21, 2006, 08:40:31 AM

The problem with Tobago United is Granville's philosophy. It's not that he is a bad coach - he is quite knowledgeable, and good technically. When he started this team he only wanted players that he considered very disciplined, he refused to sign the so-called "rude boy" even though he knew that the majority of talented Tobagonian ballers would fall into that category - players that would show up late to training, willing to cuss other players, and even disrespect refs etc ala Carrington, Ashley MacMillian and on, and on, and on.

Also, Peter's does have a heavy personality, and historically Tobagonians have had a hard time dealing with folks like that.

If he changes his philosophy, and tweak his personality, I assure you the better Tobagonian ballers would seriously consider playing for him. I have had conversations with several of the better Tobagonian ballers, including some foreign based players they will play for him if he changes his attitude towards some of them, and those who would play for him don't want to play if some of the players listed below are not on the team.

A truly representative Tobago United roster will include the following along with about 12 from the curent squad:
GK - Richard Goddard (Toronto Lynx - USL A-League)
DF - Oz Taylor
DF - Makan Hislop (upon return fron college)
DF - Cyd Gray (If no foreign contract, and they give him around $60- $80,000 TT per year)
MF - Hayden Fitzwilliams
MF - Devon Leacock
MF - Keon Daniel
MF - Darren Toby (upon return from college)
F - Kevin Nelson
F - Micheal Carrington
F - Ashley MacMillian

A Tobago team, or any team for that matter that includes the above will most certainly be near the top of T&T pro football. Also a Tobago United team that includes a majority would attract sponsorship from corporate Tobago, and we know them hotels "makin paper".

funny... i know some people that have known Cyd for a long time and appearantly he's always fallen under the "rude boy" disiplin category... refusing to train... and such...

I suppose with major talent comes a major ego.

and... from what I hear Granville is a very well rounded coach... i really dont know whats going on with this team.

Baygo Boy · « **Reply #21 on:** July 22, 2006, 08:02:33 PM »

Quote from: Teflon Don on July 22, 2006, 06:24:47 PM

DF - Cyd Gray (If no foreign contract, and they give him around $60- $80,000 TT per year)

Cyd is a big player daz shit money for him....dey go hadda pay he $120,000tt per year for d least

Teflon, Cyd no even getting near that at Jabloteh, and that's a fact.

football king · « **Reply #22 on:** July 23, 2006, 05:16:03 PM »

bago utd in even more trouble cause it get so bad now that no one willl want to be the 1st team to lose to them.
The rest of the league gonna play them really hard to avoid that distinction.
good luck

bajanscout · « **Reply #23 on:** July 23, 2006, 05:23:44 PM »

Tobago United was to sign a goalkeeper from florida name Troy Marquis but things didnt go rite according to my source

supporter · « **Reply #24 on:** July 24, 2006, 06:53:34 AM »

Quote from: Sam on July 22, 2006, 11:03:49 AM

So why is it so hard to get rid of this Peter Grandville ? is he the Jack Warner of Tobago.

honestly, if any coach in any league gets results the way tobago utd gets results then that coach would be long gone. there must be some catch.

Trini _2026 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 24, 2006, 07:11:28 AM »

Quote from: supporter on July 24, 2006, 06:53:34 AM

Quote from: Sam on July 22, 2006, 11:03:49 AM
So why is it so hard to get rid of this Peter Grandville ? is he the Jack Warner of Tobago.
honestly, if any coach in any league gets results the way tobago utd gets results then that coach would be long gone. there must be some catch.

he owns the club i think

supporter · « **Reply #26 on:** July 24, 2006, 10:19:31 AM »

ah. that would do the trick

freakazoid · « **Reply #27 on:** July 25, 2006, 04:45:41 AM »

to my friend bago boy the tourism moni that comes to tobago doesnt stay there as the majority of the hotels and resturaunts are foreign owned .

BSC coaching was able to dominate tobago footballl for many ah year with their very disiplined approach. so this fear of rude boys thing by granville as alleged by bago boy isnt vey accurate. the "big" coaches in bago have a bit of a ego and rivarly prob and that affects how they go about certain things.

1stly at the inception of this club, the way tobago utd went about getting players from their village clubs left a bitter taste in many ah mouth . this coupled with players not being paid for many months during the 1st season resulted in many of the playas just leaving . so yes the best playas on the island r not playing for the team but the playas that r playing r not all that weak as the results suggest so i believe the problem lies elswhere.( can som1 say granville)

the strongest tobago team i have seen assemblied was the stokely vale team ( this team had 3 of the u17 2001 team as starters)that particpated in the super league for the past 2 yeears though highly inconsistent they probably had the best head to head result against joe public

Swede · « **Reply #28 on:** September 27, 2006, 03:40:47 PM »

Tobago United is still dead last in table? what is the problem?

Cant they sign some new good players?

Trini _2026 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 27, 2006, 05:09:14 PM »

ok swede it have some player yuh should look at it the league