The reason why Neville, Giggs and Solkjaer last so long is because dem men is quiet, obedient fellers who doh cause any ruckus. Look how Solkjaer settle for getting corbeaux sweat most games he plays.
And what is wrong with this if you are part of a football TEAM.
There was a documentary made about him that has been circulated around England that talks about even his treatment of black players. I havent seen it, but i was told about it.
Nice...just throw that out there. You haven't seen it and can't make a definite statement but let eeverybody imagine how much he mistreats black players. Class. I wouldn't bother to get into addressing this because it would lend credence to the notion.
For years, he was the bullying manager in the EPL and used to clash with and try to intimidate many a manager and player........until Jose Mourinho and Porto Jam him up in the CL a few years ago. He tried the same s**t in the media with Jose that he did with everybody else, but Jose was a step ahead of him.
Anybody who will complain about Ferguson being intimidating and then praise Mourinho is being partisan at best and is just very ignorant.
Read carefully everything I said, Filho. I am attacking SAF's character as a whole. In my opinion, he IS a imps!! I mentioned that I did not see the documentary but was told about it......leaving it up to the british crew to verify its existence or non-existence. Alex Ferguson is very much a bully of a coach and that is exactly what I am saying. Yorke and Beckham weren't the only players he treated like crap on their way out the club and clearly that proves to be a major flaw in his character. Over the years there have been hundreds, if not thousands of players that have been released by their respective clubs for any of a myriad of reasons........but SAF has been involved in a disproportionate amount of controversies involving his players. The examples you gave of his "fair treatment" to guys like Saha, etc. all seem to come in the years where his old ass is mellowing out. I never liked the way he or his teams represented him and he can be just as hypocritical a manager as the worst of them. His style has always been to be a bully, and his teams tended to play the same way, too. It's no coincidence that the unskilled Roy Keane was his captain. It is no coincidence that Rooney has gone thus far in the league with his behaviour going as unchecked as it has. Cantona showed the most arrogance while playing under Fergie (he definitely wasn't jump-kickin' no fans in the stands when he played for Leeds), and it is also no coincidence that Paul Scholes regularly commits some of the most mind boggling tacles (and quite often, gets away with them). The team is a reflection of him, but what he has shown me, with the treatment of Yorke, Beckham, Barthez, RvN, etc, is that he would not think twice about turning (publicly) on his own players that have brought him alot of the success he has enjoyed as a manager. There simply has to be something wrong with that picture.
This is loaded with BS. All managers have problems with players who eventually leave a club. At United it gets more publicity because of the club's size and players generally do not want to leave so they gripe when they sre dispensed with. Describing this as "disproportionate" is just talking out of your ass because you do not know what happens elsewhere.
As for your other statements:
Cantona and Rooney - Both Rooney and Cantona had disciplinary issues before they joined United. Cantona was at Leeds for 3 months so to compare 3 months to 7 years is not valid. How would you explain the fact that Cantona never attacked team-mates and club officials at United as he did at his previous clubs. How is it that Ferguson is responsible for his bad behaiour on the field but no mention is made of the areas where Cantona improved. An interesting note froma aother thread...Beckham get sent off 8 times in his career, 5 for Madrid, 2 for England and 1 for Unitied where he played over 400 games..but Ferguson is the guy who has his team playing like bullies? On a similar track is the disciplianry record of Arsenal a result of Wenger. Does the fact that they are better now than during the dyas when Viera was there mean that Wenger is no longer an imps.
Roy Keane - Unskilled? What is the definition of skill in football? Passing, tackling, shooting, positional sense, tactical awareness...whatever the definition Keane had it and to suggest that he was unskilled is to not understand footbal and to get tied down with the belief that skill = flair (which it does not) or that you are just trying to make a point at all costs. I have a serious question...how would you compare the "skills" of Lampard and Keane?
Fianlly...how has Ferguson publicly tunred on his players? When all of these incidents happen what has Ferguson "publicly" said. In each case absolutely nothing. These stories will no doubt get written in a book at some point but everyone tells these stories and nothing is said to the press at the time a player leaves. In his lsat book Ince was described as getting too big for his boots and he gave examples of how it actually hurt the team. He had only good things to say about Yorke and has not been vocal about Beckham in the press. And this is not because he didn't have opportunities...Keane, Ferdinand, Beckham and several others including Saint Yorke could have been dressed down publicly on occasion but never in public.
Compare that to the childish accusations by Mourinho about Gallas threatening to sell guns for Chelsea or Carvalho getting dressed down in the press.
Apparently other clubs could bench players and sell players but when it is Ferguson it is "turning on players publicly". Never mind the fact that when a player is benched or sold, it is another player who gets a run, or are certain players deserving of special treatment no matter what the team's current prospects are. Ferguson has shown, if nothing else, that he makes team decisions. If RvN get slighted well guess what Yorke made space for him, Beckham, well Kanchelskis had to leave for that to happen. Keane, Robson benched in his final game for the club, an FA Cup final.
Generally your point about Ferguson being an imps would make more sense if you said that all successful managers at big clubs are imps, when you don't back that side.
