FIFA Ranking Thread.

[Mose]

Big deal if we ranked 64th. At the end of the day, when two team meet on the field for battle all we need to do is get the results and ensure that football in Trinidad continues to grow.

Kingman

I like de way you thinking!!

[Jefferz]

Dat list is a crock of f**kin shit yuh have teams like Uzbekestan ranked highly above us...

i mean... Panama are above us... the last three games we played against Panama we beat them 5-0, 2-0 and 1-0. And they are how many places infront of us!?

Fifa is a bunch ah f**kin jokers.

[Marcos]

Honestly,
Although I may disagree with the ranking system as well, how else can you objectively do it if not by recent results?

[ChipChipSilver]

It does not matter wat de ranking is today to de previous one....wat matters is that we start winning some games and T&T position will take care of itself....

[Storeboy]

Fellas, we know that the ranking is bad - both the old and new versions. I don't think that men vex because we 64th, but look how other teams are ranked.  How could the US be above Mexico, and Albania above TnT. Leh we put we vex on Canada when we meet them again and it doh matter what the ranking after we cut they tail.  Let's not worry.  If we don't play no games we can't go down, right?  Ah only kickin'.  But seriously - we have to play good teams over the next few years, go back to the WC in 2010, make it to the second round and then by 2011 we go be up to #20 something.  Ah cyar wait; and as Andre would say:  "Ah love it"  Don't worry breddas.

[kicker]

Dat list is a crock of f**kin shit yuh have teams like Uzbekestan ranked highly above us...

i mean... Panama are above us... the last three games we played against Panama we beat them 5-0, 2-0 and 1-0. And they are how many places infront of us!?

Fifa is a bunch ah f**kin jokers.

That is an argument similar to the one tha Bruce Arena used to argue that the U.S. shoulda been seeded above Mexico in the cup, and allyuh real cry down the man.......

[football prof]

Yeah there goes the play off spot. They need to take 2 spot from europe. Europe sent 14 to 16 teams for the last 2 world cups. No wonder why European teams always do well in the world cup.

[E-man]

Question:

Guess what this is from:

"Welcome to the show where rules are made up and the points don't matter"

Answer:

 A. FIFA's Coca-Cola World Rankings
 or
 B. ABC's Whose Line Is It Anyway?

[trinbago]

I agree with this ranking...especially with Jamaica's ranking....when was the last time we was in front ah Jamaica:   46 to 78

[Feliziano]

All this Rankings thing is pure rubbish. Countries are just going to do what Norway and USA did. Figure out the system, play games to match them and move up the rankings. USA did it, top 5 in the World, Please! Norway back a few years Top 5 in the World. Please!
Right there people should of just steups.

ah think you being rather harsh on Norway.
whether they milked the system or not..they actually had one of the better teams in the 90's cause of Egil Olsen.
I believe they were the only team that Brazil has never beaten in a match.
when we played them in 95 i think they were No.5 in rank.

back to the issue at hand.
didnt those friendlies against Peru, Wales, Iceland, Slovenia and Czech Rep count as 'A' games?
maybe our results werent that great against those teams to justify being ahead of them.
I'm sure the Grenada games were 'B' class.

[#4]

ah guess that mediocre showings in the gold cup as well as the first few qualifiers came back to bite us in the behind, as well as the fact that we acheived a positive result against the "major players" of CONCACAF in only 2 of the 6 games that we played in the hex. of course, the overall stats from the last 4 years in no way reflect how good we are at present as a confident, disciplined, and well-coached team.

hopefully fifa wont use this against concacaf to take away concacaf's half spot for 2010. if these rankings really mean anything to FIFA -which they most likely don't- and are not just in place as fan entertainment, then they should remove a european or asian spot and send it to africa, at least for the next world cup. (how could saudi arabia, a team that was in the WC, be ranked in the 80-'s?, they should have had to play off for their world cup spot)

[supporter]

fifa rankings are rubbish. The thing that gets me is that we dropped almost 15 places or something like that after playing a world cup and having tough competition during and leading up to! thats what i scratch my head about these new rankings. These rankings reward teams for not playing games.

[Trinimassive]

Typical Trini thinking

I remember when we were ranked much higher consistently below 40's and believe it or not MOST of the posters had a Major problem with that. They would say NO WAY we should be ranked that high.  And a list of ALL the teams that were supposedly better than us were listed.

This was a monthly gripe. That is one of the reasons FIFA changed the previous system. If yuh read the formula properly...while not perfect it is not really bad.

If we belong in a higher position that would ultimately be reflected after we play all the friendlies and Gold Cup games, etc.  We did well in the World Cup and more established teams want to play us so we will get the opportunity to be ranked higher.

[fishs]

So what if FIFA rank us 64th or 164th ?
We just have to win everygame from now to move up, then we might be number 1 by the next two years.
If we cant win every game in the next two years then we going to be ranked somewhere from one to done.

The goal is WC 2010 everything else is immaterial.

[real-warrior]

it doh matter cuz bahrain is 94th!1

[Midknight]

For the sceptical among us, I have put the results of both teams (Canada and TNT) multiplied by the Intercontinental weightings, the tournament rating and (as accurately as possible) the weighting for the strength of the opposition I used the actual strength as i can't be bothered to go back and check every ranking at every date)

Canada
1-Mar-2006  VIENNA (Austria)  Austria vs. Canada 0:2 (0:0)  3 X 1 X 0.925 X 1.4 (1.3)
22-Jan-2006  SAN DIEGO (USA)  USA vs. Canada 0:0   1 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.84 (1.93)
16-Nov-2005  (Luxembourg)  Luxembourg vs. Canada  0:1 (0:0) 3 X 1 X 0.925 X 0.5
3-Sep-2005  SANTANDER (Spain)  Spain vs. Canada 2:1 (1:0)  
12-Jul-2005  FOXBORO/BOSTON (USA)  Canada vs. Cuba 2:1 (0:0)[/b] 3 X 3 X 0.85 X 1.04 (1.30)
These matches are multiplied by 1
388.5 + 156.4 + 138.75 + 795.6 = 1479.25/5 = 295.8
(360.75 + 164.05 +138.75 + 994.5 = 1658.05/5 = 331.61)

TNT
20-Jun-2006  KAISERSLAUTERN (Germany)  Paraguay vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (1:0)  
15-Jun-2006  NUREMBERG (Germany)  England vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (0:0)  
10-Jun-2006  DORTMUND (Germany)  TNT vs. Sweden 0:0 1 X 4 X 0.925 X 1.78
3-Jun-2006  PRAGUE (Czech Republic)  Czech Republic vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:0 (3:0)  
31-May-2006  CELJE (Slovenia)  Slovenia vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:1 (2:1)  
27-May-2006  GRAZ (Austria)  Wales vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:1 (1:1)
10-May-2006  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Peru 1:1 (0:1) 1 X 1 X 0.915 X 1.58
28-Feb-2006  LONDON (England)  Iceland vs. TNT 0:2 (0:1) 3 X 1 X 0.925 X 0.93
16-Nov-2005  MANAMA (Bahrain)  Bahrain vs. TNT 0:1 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.06
12-Nov-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT) TNT vs. Bahrain 1:1 (0:0) 1 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.06
12-Oct-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Mexico 2:1 (1:1) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X  1.82
8-Oct-2005  (Panama)  Panama vs. TNT 0:1 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.41  
7-Sep-2005  SAN JOSE (Costa Rica)  Costa Rica vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (1:0)  
3-Sep-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Guat 3:2 (0:1)   3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.47
17-Aug-2005  HARTFORD (USA)  USA vs. Trinidad and Tobago 1:0 (1:0)  
12-Jul-2005  MIAMI (USA)  Colombia vs. TNT 2:0 (0:0)
These matches are multiplied by 1
658.6 + 144.57 + 258.075 + 675.75 + 225.25 + 1160.25 + 898.875 + 937.125 = 4985.495/16 = 308.03
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Canada
9-Jul-2005  SEATTLE (USA)  USA vs. Canada 2:0 (0:0)  
7-Jul-2005  SEATTLE (USA)  Canada vs. Costa Rica 0:1 (0:1)  
2-Jul-2005  VANCOUVER (Canada)  Canada vs. Honduras 1:2 (0:0)  
26-Mar-2005  BARCELOS (Portugal)  Portugal vs. Canada 4:1 (2:0)  
9-Feb-2005  BELFAST (NI)  Northern Ireland vs. Canada 0:1 (0:1)  3 X 1 X 0.925 X 1.25 (0.91)
17-Nov-2004  GUATEMALA-CITY  Guat vs. Canada 0:1 (0:0)   3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.47 (1.48)
13-Oct-2004  VANCOUVER (Canada)  Canada vs. Costa Rica 1:3 (1:0)  
9-Oct-2004  (Honduras)  Honduras vs. Canada 1:1 (0:0)   1 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.62 (1.41)
8-Sep-2004  SAN JOSE (Costa Rica)  Costa Rica vs. Canada 1:0 (0:0)  
4-Sep-2004 (Canada)  Canada vs. Honduras 1:1 (0:0)   1 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.62 (1.41)
18-Aug-2004  VANCOUVER (Canada)  Canada vs. Guatemala 0:2 (0:1)
These points are multiplied by 0.5
346.875 + 937.125 + 344.25 + 344.25 = 1972.5/11 =179.31*0.5 = 89.65
(252.525 + 943.5+ 299.625 + 299.625 = 1795.275/11 = 163.207*0.5 = 81.60)

TNT
10-Jul-2005  MIAMI (USA)  Panama vs. TNT 2:2 (1:1) 1 X 3 X 0.85 X 1.41
6-Jul-2005  MIAMI (USA)  TNT vs. Honduras 1:1 (1:1) 1 X 3 X 0.85 X 1.62
8-Jun-2005  MONTERREY (Mexico)  Mexico vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (0:0)  
4-Jun-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Panama 2:0 (1:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.41  
27-May-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Bermuda 1:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
25-May-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Bermuda 4:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
30-Mar-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Costa Rica 0:0 1 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.55
26-Mar-2005  GUATEMALA-CITY (Guatemala)  Guatemala vs. Trinidad and Tobago 5:1 (3:1)  
24-Feb-2005  BRIDGETOWN (Barbados)  Barbados vs. TNT 2:3 (1:2) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
22-Feb-2005  BRIDGETOWN (Barbados)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Cuba 1:2 (1:1)  
20-Feb-2005  BRIDGETOWN (Barbados)  Jamaica vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:1 (2:1)  
9-Feb-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (Trinidad and Tobago)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. USA 1:2 (0:1)  
6-Feb-2005  SCARBOROUGH (Trinidad and Tobago)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Haiti 0:1 (0:1)  
3-Feb-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Haiti 2:1 (2:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.77
1-Feb-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Haiti 1:0 (0:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.77
23-Jan-2005  MARABELLA (TNT)  TNT vs. Azerbaijan 2:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.925 X 0.91
21-Jan-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. AZER 1:0 (1:0) 3 X 1 X 0.925 X 0.91
16-Jan-2005  KINGSTOWN (SVG)  SVG vs. TNT 1:0 (0:0)  
12-Jan-2005  ST. JOHN'S (A+B)  A+B vs. TNT 2:1 (0:0)  
9-Jan-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. SVG 3:1 (0:1) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.71
19-Dec-2004  TUNAPUNA (TNT)  TNT vs. BVI 2:0 (1:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
12-Dec-2004  TORTOLA (BVI)  BVI vs. TNT 0:4 (0:1) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
28-Nov-2004  TUNAPUNA (TNT)  TNT vs. Surinam 1:0 (0:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
26-Nov-2004  TUNAPUNA (TNT)  TNT vs. Grenada 2:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
24-Nov-2004  TUNAPUNA (TNT)  TNT vs. Puerto Rico 5:0 (2:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5  
17-Nov-2004  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. SVG 2:1 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.71
13-Oct-2004  PUEBLA (Mexico)  Mexico vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:0 (1:0)  
10-Oct-2004  MARABELLA (TNT)  TNT vs. SKN 5:1 (2:1) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.64
8-Sep-2004  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Mexico 1:3 (1:2)
4-Sep-2004  BASSETERRE (SKN)  SKN vs. TNT 1:2 (1:1)  3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.64
18-Aug-2004  KINGSTOWN (SVG)  SVG vs. TNT 0:2 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.71
11-Aug-2004  GUATEMALA CITY (Guatemala)  Guatemala vs. Trinidad and Tobago 4:1 (0:0)  
14-Jul-2004  SEOUL (Korea)  Korea vs. TNT 1:1 (0:0)  1 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.44
These matches are multiplied by 0.5
359.565+413.1+898.875+127.5+127.5+329.375+127.5+196.35+196.35+252.525+252.525+181.75 + 127.5+ 127.5 + 127.5 + 127.5 + 127.5 + 452.625 + 408 + 408 + 452.625 + 122.4 = 5944.065/33 = 180.123*0.5 = 90.061

using the Caribbean cup qualifiers as 7362.44/33 = 223.104*0.5 = 111.552
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Canada
3-Jul-2004  NASHVILLE (USA)  USA vs. Canada 1:0 (0:0)  
16-Jun-2004  (ONTARIO) (Canada)  Belize vs. Canada 0:4 (0:1) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.5
13-Jun-2004  (ONTARIO) (Canada)  Canada vs. Belize 4:0 (1:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.5
30-May-2004  WREXHAM (Wales)  Wales vs. Canada 1:0 (1:0)  
18-Jan-2004 (Barbados)  Barbados vs. Canada 0:1 (0:1) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5 (0.89)
18-Nov-2003  DUBLIN (Republic of Ireland)  Republic of Ireland vs. Canada 3:0 (1:0)  
15-Nov-2003  TEPLICE (Czech Republic)  Czech Republic vs. Canada 5:1 (1:0)  
11-Oct-2003  TAMPERE (Finland)  Finland vs. Canada 3:2 (3:0)  
14-Jul-2003  FOXBORO/BOSTON (USA)  Canada vs. Cuba 0:2 (0:1)  
12-Jul-2003  FOXBORO (USA)  Costa Rica vs. Canada 0:1 (0:0) 3 X 3 X 0.85 X 1.55 (1.82)
These points are multiplied by 0.3
= 318.75 + 318.75 + 127.5 + 1185.75 = 1950.75/10 = 195.075*0.3 = 58.52
(318.75 + 318.75 + 226.95 + 1392.3 = 2256.75/10 = 225.675*0.3 = 67.703)

TNT
10-Jul-2004  BANGKOK (Thailand)  Thailand vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:2 (0:2)  
20-Jun-2004  (Trinidad and Tobago)  TNT vs. DR 4:0 (0:0)  3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.5
13-Jun-2004  (Dominican Republic)  DR vs. TNT 0:2 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.5
6-Jun-2004  PORT OF SPAIN (Trinidad and Tobago)  TNT vs. Northern Ireland 0:3 (0:2)  
30-May-2004  EDINBURGH (Scotland)  Scotland vs. Trinidad and Tobago 4:1 (4:0)  
23-May-2004  WEST BROMWICH (England)  TNT vs. Iraq 2:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.12
31-Mar-2004  CAIRO (Egypt)  Egypt vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:1 (0:0)  
2-Mar-2004  (Trinidad and Tobago)  TNT vs. Guyana 1:0 (1:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.69
12-Feb-2004  HAMILTON (Bermuda)  Bermuda vs. TNT 2:2 (1:1) 1 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
10-Feb-2004  HAMILTON (Bermuda)  Bermuda vs. TNT 0:1 (0:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
19-Nov-2003 (TNT)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Cuba 2:1 (2:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.02
10-Sep-2003  MARRAKECH (Morocco)  Morocco vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (1:0)  
2-Aug-2003  (St. Kitts and Nevis)  SKN vs. TNT 1:2 (0:2) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.64
31-Jul-2003  BASSETERRE (St. Kitts and Nevis)  Haiti vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (0:0)  
These matches are multiplied by 0.3
=318.75 + 318.75 + 285.6+ 175.95 + 42.5+127.5 + 260.1 + 163.2 = 1692.35/14*0.3 = 36.26
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Canada
1-Jun-2003  WOLFSBURG (Germany)  Germany vs. Canada 4:1 (1:1)  
29-Mar-2003  TALLINN (Estonia)  Estonia vs. Canada 2:1 (0:0)  
12-Feb-2003  TRIPOLIS (Libya)  Libya vs. Canada 2:4 (1:2) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.21 (1.04)
18-Jan-2003  FORT LAUDERDALE (USA)  USA vs. Canada 4:0 (3:0)  
15-Oct-2002  EDINBURGH (Scotland)  Scotland vs. Canada 3:1 (1:1)
These points are multiplied by 0.2
= 308.55/5 = 61.71*0.2 = 12.342
(=265.2/5 = 53.04*0.2 = 10.608)

TNT
3-Jul-2003 (TNT)  TNT vs. Venezuela 2:2 (0:1) 1 X 1 X 0.915 X 1.32
14-Jun-2003  PORT ELIZABETH (South Africa)  South Africa vs. TNT 2:1 (1:1)  
10-Jun-2003  (Botswana)  Botswana vs. Trinidad and Tobago 0:0 1 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.96
31-May-2003  (Kenya)  Kenya vs. Trinidad and Tobago 1:1 (1:1) 1 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.83
30-Apr-2003  SAN CRISTOBAL (Venezuela)  Venezuela vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:0 (2:0)  
25-Apr-2003  FORT-DE-FRANCE (Martinique)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Honduras 0:2 (0:0)  
23-Apr-2003  FORT-DE-FRANCE (Martinique)  Martinique vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:2 (0:2)  
30-Mar-2003  (Trinidad and Tobago)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Cuba 1:3 (1:1)  
28-Mar-2003  (TNT)  Western Samoa vs. TNT 0:1 (0:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.50
26-Mar-2003  (TNT)  TNT vs. Antigua and Barbuda 2:0 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.54  
29-Jan-2003  (TNT)  TNT vs. Finland 1:2 (1:0)  
17-Nov-2002  (TNT)  St. Lucia vs. TNT 1:0 (0:0)  
15-Nov-2002  (TNT)  TNT vs. St. Kitts and Nevis 2:0 (1:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.64 (GCQ)
28-Jul-2002  (St. Kitts and Nevis)  St. Kitts and Nevis vs. TNT 2:1 (0:1)  
27-Jul-2002  BASSETERRE (St. Kitts and Nevis)  TNT vs. Chinese Taipei 0:1 (0:1)  
25-Jul-2002  (St. Kitts and Nevis)  TNT vs. Barbados 0:0  1 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
These matches are multiplied by 0.2
120.78 + 81.6 + 70.55 + 127.5 + 137.7 + 408 + 42.5 = 988.63/16*0.2 = 12.357
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CAN 12.342 + 58.52 + 89.65 + 295.8 = 456.312 BUT Can 567
Canada's revised rnakings using the opponents actual strength at the date of the match
(10.608 + 67.703 + 81.60 + 331.61 = 491.5)
TNT 12.357 + 36.26 + 90.061 + 308.03 = 446.708649 BUT TNT 487
(468.157 taking cc as gold cup qualis)
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Obviously my calculations are always going to be in trouble since i don't check the ranking of each team at the moment each match was played. Nevertheless Trinidad's actual and calculated totals aren't that off. I have a huge disparity for Canada's though that I can't explain just that way. Anyone care to tackle it?

My question is if the old system needed overhauling so badly why are we still using the rankings from the system to calculate the new overhauled rankings  

edit : Even using the actual coeffs of canada's opponents i'm still missing 70 odd points

[ribbit]

For the sceptical among us, I have put the results of both teams (Canada and TNT) multiplied by the Intercontinental weightings, the tournament rating and (as accurately as possible) the weighting for the strength of the opposition I used the actual strength as i can't be bothered to go back and check every ranking at every date)

Canada
1-Mar-2006  VIENNA (Austria)  Austria vs. Canada 0:2 (0:0)  3 X 1 X 0.925 X 1.4
22-Jan-2006  SAN DIEGO (USA)  USA vs. Canada 0:0   1 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.84
16-Nov-2005  (Luxembourg)  Luxembourg vs. Canada 0:1 (0:0) 3 X 1 X 0.925 X 0.5
3-Sep-2005  SANTANDER (Spain)  Spain vs. Canada 2:1 (1:0)  
12-Jul-2005  FOXBORO/BOSTON (USA)  Canada vs. Cuba 2:1 (0:0) 3 X 3 X 0.85 X 1.04
These matches are multiplied by 1
388.5 + 156.4 + 138.75 + 795.6 = 1479.25/5 = 295.8

TNT
20-Jun-2006  KAISERSLAUTERN (Germany)  Paraguay vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (1:0)  
15-Jun-2006  NUREMBERG (Germany)  England vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (0:0)  
10-Jun-2006  DORTMUND (Germany)  TNT vs. Sweden 0:0 1 X 4 X 0.925 X 1.78
3-Jun-2006  PRAGUE (Czech Republic)  Czech Republic vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:0 (3:0)  
31-May-2006  CELJE (Slovenia)  Slovenia vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:1 (2:1)  
27-May-2006  GRAZ (Austria)  Wales vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:1 (1:1)
10-May-2006  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Peru 1:1 (0:1) 1 X 1 X 0.915 X 1.58
28-Feb-2006  LONDON (England)  Iceland vs. TNT 0:2 (0:1) 3 X 1 X 0.925 X 0.93
16-Nov-2005  MANAMA (Bahrain)  Bahrain vs. TNT 0:1 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.06
12-Nov-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT) TNT vs. Bahrain 1:1 (0:0) 1 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.06
12-Oct-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Mexico 2:1 (1:1) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X  1.82
8-Oct-2005  (Panama)  Panama vs. TNT 0:1 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.41  
7-Sep-2005  SAN JOSE (Costa Rica)  Costa Rica vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (1:0)  
3-Sep-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Guat 3:2 (0:1)   3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.47
17-Aug-2005  HARTFORD (USA)  USA vs. Trinidad and Tobago 1:0 (1:0)  
12-Jul-2005  MIAMI (USA)  Colombia vs. TNT 2:0 (0:0)
These matches are multiplied by 1
685.6 + 144.57 + 258.075 + 675.75 + 225.25 + 1160.25 + 898.875 + 937.125 = 4985.495/16 = 311.59
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Canada
9-Jul-2005  SEATTLE (USA)  USA vs. Canada 2:0 (0:0)  
7-Jul-2005  SEATTLE (USA)  Canada vs. Costa Rica 0:1 (0:1)  
2-Jul-2005  VANCOUVER (Canada)  Canada vs. Honduras 1:2 (0:0)  
26-Mar-2005  BARCELOS (Portugal)  Portugal vs. Canada 4:1 (2:0)  
9-Feb-2005  BELFAST (NI)  Northern Ireland vs. Canada 0:1 (0:1)  3 X 1 X 0.925 X 1.25
17-Nov-2004  GUATEMALA-CITY  Guat vs. Canada 0:1 (0:0)   3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.47
13-Oct-2004  VANCOUVER (Canada)  Canada vs. Costa Rica 1:3 (1:0)  
9-Oct-2004  (Honduras)  Honduras vs. Canada 1:1 (0:0)   1 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.62
8-Sep-2004  SAN JOSE (Costa Rica)  Costa Rica vs. Canada 1:0 (0:0)  
4-Sep-2004 (Canada)  Canada vs. Honduras 1:1 (0:0)   1 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.62
18-Aug-2004  VANCOUVER (Canada)  Canada vs. Guatemala 0:2 (0:1)
These points are multiplied by 0.5
346.875 + 937.125 + 344.25 + 344.25 = 1972.5/11 =179.31*0.5 = 89.65

TNT
10-Jul-2005  MIAMI (USA)  Panama vs. TNT 2:2 (1:1) 3 X 3 X 0.85 X 1.41
6-Jul-2005  MIAMI (USA)  TNT vs. Honduras 1:1 (1:1) 3 X 3 X 0.85 X 1.62
8-Jun-2005  MONTERREY (Mexico)  Mexico vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (0:0)  
4-Jun-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Panama 2:0 (1:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.41  
27-May-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Bermuda 1:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
25-May-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Bermuda 4:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
30-Mar-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Costa Rica 0:0 1 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.55
26-Mar-2005  GUATEMALA-CITY (Guatemala)  Guatemala vs. Trinidad and Tobago 5:1 (3:1)  
24-Feb-2005  BRIDGETOWN (Barbados)  Barbados vs. TNT 2:3 (1:2) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
22-Feb-2005  BRIDGETOWN (Barbados)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Cuba 1:2 (1:1)  
20-Feb-2005  BRIDGETOWN (Barbados)  Jamaica vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:1 (2:1)  
9-Feb-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (Trinidad and Tobago)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. USA 1:2 (0:1)  
6-Feb-2005  SCARBOROUGH (Trinidad and Tobago)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Haiti 0:1 (0:1)  
3-Feb-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Haiti 2:1 (2:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.77
1-Feb-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Haiti 1:0 (0:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.77
23-Jan-2005  MARABELLA (TNT)  TNT vs. Azerbaijan 2:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.925 X 0.91
21-Jan-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. AZER 1:0 (1:0) 3 X 1 X 0.925 X 0.91
16-Jan-2005  KINGSTOWN (SVG)  SVG vs. TNT 1:0 (0:0)  
12-Jan-2005  ST. JOHN'S (A+B)  A+B vs. TNT 2:1 (0:0)  
9-Jan-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. SVG 3:1 (0:1) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.71
19-Dec-2004  TUNAPUNA (TNT)  TNT vs. BVI 2:0 (1:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
12-Dec-2004  TORTOLA (BVI)  BVI vs. TNT 0:4 (0:1) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
28-Nov-2004  TUNAPUNA (TNT)  TNT vs. Surinam 1:0 (0:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
26-Nov-2004  TUNAPUNA (TNT)  TNT vs. Grenada 2:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
24-Nov-2004  TUNAPUNA (TNT)  TNT vs. Puerto Rico 5:0 (2:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5  
17-Nov-2004  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. SVG 2:1 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.71
13-Oct-2004  PUEBLA (Mexico)  Mexico vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:0 (1:0)  
10-Oct-2004  MARABELLA (TNT)  TNT vs. SKN 5:1 (2:1) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.64
8-Sep-2004  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Mexico 1:3 (1:2)
4-Sep-2004  BASSETERRE (SKN)  SKN vs. TNT 1:2 (1:1)  3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.64
18-Aug-2004  KINGSTOWN (SVG)  SVG vs. TNT 0:2 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.71
11-Aug-2004  GUATEMALA CITY (Guatemala)  Guatemala vs. Trinidad and Tobago 4:1 (0:0)  
14-Jul-2004  SEOUL (Korea)  Korea vs. TNT 1:1 (0:0)  1 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.44
These matches are multiplied by 0.5
1078.65+1239.3+898.875+127.5+127.5+329.375+127.5+196.35+196.35+252.525+252.525+181.75 + 127.5+ 127.5 + 127.5 + 127.5 + 127.5 + 452.625 + 408 + 408 + 452.625 + 122.4 = 7361.8504/33 = 223.09*0.5 = 111.54
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Canada
3-Jul-2004  NASHVILLE (USA)  USA vs. Canada 1:0 (0:0)  
16-Jun-2004  (ONTARIO) (Canada)  Belize vs. Canada 0:4 (0:1) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.5
13-Jun-2004  (ONTARIO) (Canada)  Canada vs. Belize 4:0 (1:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.5
30-May-2004  WREXHAM (Wales)  Wales vs. Canada 1:0 (1:0)  
18-Jan-2004 (Barbados)  Barbados vs. Canada 0:1 (0:1) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
18-Nov-2003  DUBLIN (Republic of Ireland)  Republic of Ireland vs. Canada 3:0 (1:0)  
15-Nov-2003  TEPLICE (Czech Republic)  Czech Republic vs. Canada 5:1 (1:0)  
11-Oct-2003  TAMPERE (Finland)  Finland vs. Canada 3:2 (3:0)  
14-Jul-2003  FOXBORO/BOSTON (USA)  Canada vs. Cuba 0:2 (0:1)  
12-Jul-2003  FOXBORO (USA)  Costa Rica vs. Canada 0:1 (0:0) 3 X 3 X 0.85 X 1.55
These points are multiplied by 0.3
= 318.75 + 318.75 + 127.5 + 1185.75 = 1950.75/10 = 195.075*0.3 = 58.52

TNT
10-Jul-2004  BANGKOK (Thailand)  Thailand vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:2 (0:2)  
20-Jun-2004  (Trinidad and Tobago)  TNT vs. DR 4:0 (0:0)  3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.5
13-Jun-2004  (Dominican Republic)  DR vs. TNT 0:2 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.5
6-Jun-2004  PORT OF SPAIN (Trinidad and Tobago)  TNT vs. Northern Ireland 0:3 (0:2)  
30-May-2004  EDINBURGH (Scotland)  Scotland vs. Trinidad and Tobago 4:1 (4:0)  
23-May-2004  WEST BROMWICH (England)  TNT vs. Iraq 2:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.12
31-Mar-2004  CAIRO (Egypt)  Egypt vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:1 (0:0)  
2-Mar-2004  (Trinidad and Tobago)  TNT vs. Guyana 1:0 (1:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.69
12-Feb-2004  HAMILTON (Bermuda)  Bermuda vs. TNT 2:2 (1:1) 1 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
10-Feb-2004  HAMILTON (Bermuda)  Bermuda vs. TNT 0:1 (0:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
19-Nov-2003 (TNT)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Cuba 2:1 (2:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.02
10-Sep-2003  MARRAKECH (Morocco)  Morocco vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (1:0)  
2-Aug-2003  (St. Kitts and Nevis)  SKN vs. TNT 1:2 (0:2) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.64
31-Jul-2003  BASSETERRE (St. Kitts and Nevis)  Haiti vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (0:0)  
These matches are multiplied by 0.3
=318.75 + 318.75 + 285.6+ 175.95 + 42.5+127.5 + 260.1 + 163.2 = 1692.35/14*0.3 = 36.26
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Canada
1-Jun-2003  WOLFSBURG (Germany)  Germany vs. Canada 4:1 (1:1)  
29-Mar-2003  TALLINN (Estonia)  Estonia vs. Canada 2:1 (0:0)  
12-Feb-2003  TRIPOLIS (Libya)  Libya vs. Canada 2:4 (1:2) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.21
18-Jan-2003  FORT LAUDERDALE (USA)  USA vs. Canada 4:0 (3:0)  
15-Oct-2002  EDINBURGH (Scotland)  Scotland vs. Canada 3:1 (1:1)
These points are multiplied by 0.2
= 308.55/5 = 61.71*0.2 = 12.342

TNT
3-Jul-2003 (TNT)  TNT vs. Venezuela 2:2 (0:1) 1 X 1 X 0.915 X 1.32
14-Jun-2003  PORT ELIZABETH (South Africa)  South Africa vs. TNT 2:1 (1:1)  
10-Jun-2003  (Botswana)  Botswana vs. Trinidad and Tobago 0:0 1 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.96
31-May-2003  (Kenya)  Kenya vs. Trinidad and Tobago 1:1 (1:1) 1 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.83
30-Apr-2003  SAN CRISTOBAL (Venezuela)  Venezuela vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:0 (2:0)  
25-Apr-2003  FORT-DE-FRANCE (Martinique)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Honduras 0:2 (0:0)  
23-Apr-2003  FORT-DE-FRANCE (Martinique)  Martinique vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:2 (0:2)  
30-Mar-2003  (Trinidad and Tobago)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Cuba 1:3 (1:1)  
28-Mar-2003  (TNT)  Western Samoa vs. TNT 0:1 (0:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.50
26-Mar-2003  (TNT)  TNT vs. Antigua and Barbuda 2:0 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.54  
29-Jan-2003  (TNT)  TNT vs. Finland 1:2 (1:0)  
17-Nov-2002  (TNT)  St. Lucia vs. TNT 1:0 (0:0)  
15-Nov-2002  (TNT)  TNT vs. St. Kitts and Nevis 2:0 (1:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.64
28-Jul-2002  (St. Kitts and Nevis)  St. Kitts and Nevis vs. TNT 2:1 (0:1)  
27-Jul-2002  BASSETERRE (St. Kitts and Nevis)  TNT vs. Chinese Taipei 0:1 (0:1)  
25-Jul-2002  (St. Kitts and Nevis)  TNT vs. Barbados 0:0  1 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
These matches are multiplied by 0.2
120.78 + 81.6 + 70.55 + 127.5 + 137.7 + 163.2 + 42.5 = 743.83/16*0.2 = 9.298
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CAN 12.342 + 58.52 + 89.65 + 295.8 = 456.312 BUT Can 567
TNT 9.298 + 36.26 + 111.54 + 311.59 = 468.68 BUT TNT 487

Obviously my calculations are always going to be in trouble since i don't check the ranking of each team at the moment each match was played. Nevertheless Trinidad's actual and calculated toatals aren't that off. I have a huge disparity for Canada's though that I can't explain just that way. Anyone care to tackle it?

It would seem though that Canada's opponents that they've beaten have more of a tendency to be teams that have droppes dorribly in the rankings between the time they playe them and now. In particular the two victories over Cuba and Costa Rica in the gold Cup give the Canadains 40 more points than I calculated when I used the rankings at the date of the games to calculate those matches.

My question is if the old system needed overhauling so badly why are we still using the rankings from the system to calculate the new overhauled rankings  

hey midnight,  - is there any process for normalizing the results? look at how many games t&t play compared to canada over the same time span - if it's just based on points than teams will be encouraged to play more games to boost their ranking. a side that plays 20 friendlies and wins 5 will have more points than a team that plays 5 games and wins 4. is it correct that losses do not factor into the ratings at all?

[Midknight]

My main problem with these new rankings is the fact that

a 5-1 cut---- has the same basic result as a narrow 1-0 loss and conversely destroying a team 31-0 gives you the same points for beating that team 1-0.

I say that doesnt at all encourage joga bonita or even for that matter attacking football. Traditional Italian style football would become the norm if the rankings determined everything...

[Midknight]

For the sceptical among us, I have put the results of both teams (Canada and TNT) multiplied by the Intercontinental weightings, the tournament rating and (as accurately as possible) the weighting for the strength of the opposition I used the actual strength as i can't be bothered to go back and check every ranking at every date)

Canada
1-Mar-2006  VIENNA (Austria)  Austria vs. Canada 0:2 (0:0)  3 X 1 X 0.925 X 1.4
22-Jan-2006  SAN DIEGO (USA)  USA vs. Canada 0:0   1 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.84
16-Nov-2005  (Luxembourg)  Luxembourg vs. Canada 0:1 (0:0) 3 X 1 X 0.925 X 0.5
3-Sep-2005  SANTANDER (Spain)  Spain vs. Canada 2:1 (1:0)  
12-Jul-2005  FOXBORO/BOSTON (USA)  Canada vs. Cuba 2:1 (0:0) 3 X 3 X 0.85 X 1.04
These matches are multiplied by 1
388.5 + 156.4 + 138.75 + 795.6 = 1479.25/5 = 295.8

TNT
20-Jun-2006  KAISERSLAUTERN (Germany)  Paraguay vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (1:0)  
15-Jun-2006  NUREMBERG (Germany)  England vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (0:0)  
10-Jun-2006  DORTMUND (Germany)  TNT vs. Sweden 0:0 1 X 4 X 0.925 X 1.78
3-Jun-2006  PRAGUE (Czech Republic)  Czech Republic vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:0 (3:0)  
31-May-2006  CELJE (Slovenia)  Slovenia vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:1 (2:1)  
27-May-2006  GRAZ (Austria)  Wales vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:1 (1:1)
10-May-2006  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Peru 1:1 (0:1) 1 X 1 X 0.915 X 1.58
28-Feb-2006  LONDON (England)  Iceland vs. TNT 0:2 (0:1) 3 X 1 X 0.925 X 0.93
16-Nov-2005  MANAMA (Bahrain)  Bahrain vs. TNT 0:1 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.06
12-Nov-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT) TNT vs. Bahrain 1:1 (0:0) 1 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.06
12-Oct-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Mexico 2:1 (1:1) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X  1.82
8-Oct-2005  (Panama)  Panama vs. TNT 0:1 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.41  
7-Sep-2005  SAN JOSE (Costa Rica)  Costa Rica vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (1:0)  
3-Sep-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Guat 3:2 (0:1)   3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.47
17-Aug-2005  HARTFORD (USA)  USA vs. Trinidad and Tobago 1:0 (1:0)  
12-Jul-2005  MIAMI (USA)  Colombia vs. TNT 2:0 (0:0)
These matches are multiplied by 1
685.6 + 144.57 + 258.075 + 675.75 + 225.25 + 1160.25 + 898.875 + 937.125 = 4985.495/16 = 311.59
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Canada
9-Jul-2005  SEATTLE (USA)  USA vs. Canada 2:0 (0:0)  
7-Jul-2005  SEATTLE (USA)  Canada vs. Costa Rica 0:1 (0:1)  
2-Jul-2005  VANCOUVER (Canada)  Canada vs. Honduras 1:2 (0:0)  
26-Mar-2005  BARCELOS (Portugal)  Portugal vs. Canada 4:1 (2:0)  
9-Feb-2005  BELFAST (NI)  Northern Ireland vs. Canada 0:1 (0:1)  3 X 1 X 0.925 X 1.25
17-Nov-2004  GUATEMALA-CITY  Guat vs. Canada 0:1 (0:0)   3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.47
13-Oct-2004  VANCOUVER (Canada)  Canada vs. Costa Rica 1:3 (1:0)  
9-Oct-2004  (Honduras)  Honduras vs. Canada 1:1 (0:0)   1 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.62
8-Sep-2004  SAN JOSE (Costa Rica)  Costa Rica vs. Canada 1:0 (0:0)  
4-Sep-2004 (Canada)  Canada vs. Honduras 1:1 (0:0)   1 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.62
18-Aug-2004  VANCOUVER (Canada)  Canada vs. Guatemala 0:2 (0:1)
These points are multiplied by 0.5
346.875 + 937.125 + 344.25 + 344.25 = 1972.5/11 =179.31*0.5 = 89.65

TNT
10-Jul-2005  MIAMI (USA)  Panama vs. TNT 2:2 (1:1) 3 X 3 X 0.85 X 1.41
6-Jul-2005  MIAMI (USA)  TNT vs. Honduras 1:1 (1:1) 3 X 3 X 0.85 X 1.62
8-Jun-2005  MONTERREY (Mexico)  Mexico vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (0:0)  
4-Jun-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Panama 2:0 (1:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.41  
27-May-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Bermuda 1:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
25-May-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Bermuda 4:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
30-Mar-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Costa Rica 0:0 1 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 1.55
26-Mar-2005  GUATEMALA-CITY (Guatemala)  Guatemala vs. Trinidad and Tobago 5:1 (3:1)  
24-Feb-2005  BRIDGETOWN (Barbados)  Barbados vs. TNT 2:3 (1:2) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
22-Feb-2005  BRIDGETOWN (Barbados)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Cuba 1:2 (1:1)  
20-Feb-2005  BRIDGETOWN (Barbados)  Jamaica vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:1 (2:1)  
9-Feb-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (Trinidad and Tobago)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. USA 1:2 (0:1)  
6-Feb-2005  SCARBOROUGH (Trinidad and Tobago)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Haiti 0:1 (0:1)  
3-Feb-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Haiti 2:1 (2:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.77
1-Feb-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. Haiti 1:0 (0:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.77
23-Jan-2005  MARABELLA (TNT)  TNT vs. Azerbaijan 2:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.925 X 0.91
21-Jan-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. AZER 1:0 (1:0) 3 X 1 X 0.925 X 0.91
16-Jan-2005  KINGSTOWN (SVG)  SVG vs. TNT 1:0 (0:0)  
12-Jan-2005  ST. JOHN'S (A+B)  A+B vs. TNT 2:1 (0:0)  
9-Jan-2005  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. SVG 3:1 (0:1) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.71
19-Dec-2004  TUNAPUNA (TNT)  TNT vs. BVI 2:0 (1:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
12-Dec-2004  TORTOLA (BVI)  BVI vs. TNT 0:4 (0:1) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
28-Nov-2004  TUNAPUNA (TNT)  TNT vs. Surinam 1:0 (0:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
26-Nov-2004  TUNAPUNA (TNT)  TNT vs. Grenada 2:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
24-Nov-2004  TUNAPUNA (TNT)  TNT vs. Puerto Rico 5:0 (2:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5  
17-Nov-2004  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  TNT vs. SVG 2:1 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.71
13-Oct-2004  PUEBLA (Mexico)  Mexico vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:0 (1:0)  
10-Oct-2004  MARABELLA (TNT)  TNT vs. SKN 5:1 (2:1) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.64
8-Sep-2004  PORT OF SPAIN (TNT)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Mexico 1:3 (1:2)
4-Sep-2004  BASSETERRE (SKN)  SKN vs. TNT 1:2 (1:1)  3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.64
18-Aug-2004  KINGSTOWN (SVG)  SVG vs. TNT 0:2 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.71
11-Aug-2004  GUATEMALA CITY (Guatemala)  Guatemala vs. Trinidad and Tobago 4:1 (0:0)  
14-Jul-2004  SEOUL (Korea)  Korea vs. TNT 1:1 (0:0)  1 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.44
These matches are multiplied by 0.5
1078.65+1239.3+898.875+127.5+127.5+329.375+127.5+196.35+196.35+252.525+252.525+181.75 + 127.5+ 127.5 + 127.5 + 127.5 + 127.5 + 452.625 + 408 + 408 + 452.625 + 122.4 = 7361.8504/33 = 223.09*0.5 = 111.54
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Canada
3-Jul-2004  NASHVILLE (USA)  USA vs. Canada 1:0 (0:0)  
16-Jun-2004  (ONTARIO) (Canada)  Belize vs. Canada 0:4 (0:1) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.5
13-Jun-2004  (ONTARIO) (Canada)  Canada vs. Belize 4:0 (1:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.5
30-May-2004  WREXHAM (Wales)  Wales vs. Canada 1:0 (1:0)  
18-Jan-2004 (Barbados)  Barbados vs. Canada 0:1 (0:1) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
18-Nov-2003  DUBLIN (Republic of Ireland)  Republic of Ireland vs. Canada 3:0 (1:0)  
15-Nov-2003  TEPLICE (Czech Republic)  Czech Republic vs. Canada 5:1 (1:0)  
11-Oct-2003  TAMPERE (Finland)  Finland vs. Canada 3:2 (3:0)  
14-Jul-2003  FOXBORO/BOSTON (USA)  Canada vs. Cuba 0:2 (0:1)  
12-Jul-2003  FOXBORO (USA)  Costa Rica vs. Canada 0:1 (0:0) 3 X 3 X 0.85 X 1.55
These points are multiplied by 0.3
= 318.75 + 318.75 + 127.5 + 1185.75 = 1950.75/10 = 195.075*0.3 = 58.52

TNT
10-Jul-2004  BANGKOK (Thailand)  Thailand vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:2 (0:2)  
20-Jun-2004  (Trinidad and Tobago)  TNT vs. DR 4:0 (0:0)  3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.5
13-Jun-2004  (Dominican Republic)  DR vs. TNT 0:2 (0:0) 3 X 2.5 X 0.85 X 0.5
6-Jun-2004  PORT OF SPAIN (Trinidad and Tobago)  TNT vs. Northern Ireland 0:3 (0:2)  
30-May-2004  EDINBURGH (Scotland)  Scotland vs. Trinidad and Tobago 4:1 (4:0)  
23-May-2004  WEST BROMWICH (England)  TNT vs. Iraq 2:0 (1:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.12
31-Mar-2004  CAIRO (Egypt)  Egypt vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:1 (0:0)  
2-Mar-2004  (Trinidad and Tobago)  TNT vs. Guyana 1:0 (1:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.69
12-Feb-2004  HAMILTON (Bermuda)  Bermuda vs. TNT 2:2 (1:1) 1 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
10-Feb-2004  HAMILTON (Bermuda)  Bermuda vs. TNT 0:1 (0:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
19-Nov-2003 (TNT)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Cuba 2:1 (2:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.02
10-Sep-2003  MARRAKECH (Morocco)  Morocco vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (1:0)  
2-Aug-2003  (St. Kitts and Nevis)  SKN vs. TNT 1:2 (0:2) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.64
31-Jul-2003  BASSETERRE (St. Kitts and Nevis)  Haiti vs. Trinidad and Tobago 2:0 (0:0)  
These matches are multiplied by 0.3
=318.75 + 318.75 + 285.6+ 175.95 + 42.5+127.5 + 260.1 + 163.2 = 1692.35/14*0.3 = 36.26
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Canada
1-Jun-2003  WOLFSBURG (Germany)  Germany vs. Canada 4:1 (1:1)  
29-Mar-2003  TALLINN (Estonia)  Estonia vs. Canada 2:1 (0:0)  
12-Feb-2003  TRIPOLIS (Libya)  Libya vs. Canada 2:4 (1:2) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 1.21
18-Jan-2003  FORT LAUDERDALE (USA)  USA vs. Canada 4:0 (3:0)  
15-Oct-2002  EDINBURGH (Scotland)  Scotland vs. Canada 3:1 (1:1)
These points are multiplied by 0.2
= 308.55/5 = 61.71*0.2 = 12.342

TNT
3-Jul-2003 (TNT)  TNT vs. Venezuela 2:2 (0:1) 1 X 1 X 0.915 X 1.32
14-Jun-2003  PORT ELIZABETH (South Africa)  South Africa vs. TNT 2:1 (1:1)  
10-Jun-2003  (Botswana)  Botswana vs. Trinidad and Tobago 0:0 1 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.96
31-May-2003  (Kenya)  Kenya vs. Trinidad and Tobago 1:1 (1:1) 1 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.83
30-Apr-2003  SAN CRISTOBAL (Venezuela)  Venezuela vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:0 (2:0)  
25-Apr-2003  FORT-DE-FRANCE (Martinique)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Honduras 0:2 (0:0)  
23-Apr-2003  FORT-DE-FRANCE (Martinique)  Martinique vs. Trinidad and Tobago 3:2 (0:2)  
30-Mar-2003  (Trinidad and Tobago)  Trinidad and Tobago vs. Cuba 1:3 (1:1)  
28-Mar-2003  (TNT)  Western Samoa vs. TNT 0:1 (0:0)  3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.50
26-Mar-2003  (TNT)  TNT vs. Antigua and Barbuda 2:0 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.54  
29-Jan-2003  (TNT)  TNT vs. Finland 1:2 (1:0)  
17-Nov-2002  (TNT)  St. Lucia vs. TNT 1:0 (0:0)  
15-Nov-2002  (TNT)  TNT vs. St. Kitts and Nevis 2:0 (1:0) 3 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.64
28-Jul-2002  (St. Kitts and Nevis)  St. Kitts and Nevis vs. TNT 2:1 (0:1)  
27-Jul-2002  BASSETERRE (St. Kitts and Nevis)  TNT vs. Chinese Taipei 0:1 (0:1)  
25-Jul-2002  (St. Kitts and Nevis)  TNT vs. Barbados 0:0  1 X 1 X 0.85 X 0.5
These matches are multiplied by 0.2
120.78 + 81.6 + 70.55 + 127.5 + 137.7 + 163.2 + 42.5 = 743.83/16*0.2 = 9.298
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CAN 12.342 + 58.52 + 89.65 + 295.8 = 456.312 BUT Can 567
TNT 9.298 + 36.26 + 111.54 + 311.59 = 468.68 BUT TNT 487

Obviously my calculations are always going to be in trouble since i don't check the ranking of each team at the moment each match was played. Nevertheless Trinidad's actual and calculated toatals aren't that off. I have a huge disparity for Canada's though that I can't explain just that way. Anyone care to tackle it?

It would seem though that Canada's opponents that they've beaten have more of a tendency to be teams that have droppes dorribly in the rankings between the time they playe them and now. In particular the two victories over Cuba and Costa Rica in the gold Cup give the Canadains 40 more points than I calculated when I used the rankings at the date of the games to calculate those matches.

My question is if the old system needed overhauling so badly why are we still using the rankings from the system to calculate the new overhauled rankings  

hey midnight,  - is there any process for normalizing the results? look at how many games t&t play compared to canada over the same time span - if it's just based on points than teams will be encouraged to play more games to boost their ranking. a side that plays 20 friendlies and wins 5 will have more points than a team that plays 5 games and wins 4. is it correct that losses do not factor into the ratings at all?

Well before FIFA had put into place a system by which the best 7 results in the year were the ones taken into account and then the average of the points gained from these results were compared to the average of the points gained in the others...then i got lost

Now it is true that there is no "normalising procedure" but your statement is not 100% true.
If you look a the comparison between TNT and canada you will realise that in 2002-2003 Canada got more points than us with just one (in 5 matches) than we got with 3 wins and about 5 draws.

Losses do not factor into the ratings as losses but they do make the denominator higher. The average points thus becomes progressively smaller with the number of games you play, if you keep on losing...

[ON DE BLOCK]

The 32 best teams in the world at the end of the day are those that qualify for the world cup, an teams should not be robbed of their braging rights when the opportunity for all is based on a zonal system that has a balance to produce 32 of the best teams in the world at that point in time. When Holland did not qualify for a former WC were we to make excuses for them or say you have 14 spots in your zone if you did not get in well, see you next WC, Greece won the euro cup but did not qualify, football is unpredictable, first-timers Austrailia got thru to the 16 , TNT which before our first game was billed as the laughing stock of this world cup, came out with respect  despite a poor end result. May be the balance needs fine tuning give or take a team or two and increase the euro zone, but saying teams from one zone that did not qualify are better that teams that did qualify from another zone, is questionable because different teams peak at different times, an when a big name team does not have it's act together will result in not qualifying, so when you factor in all the ingredients of zones having more spots etc.. the WC produces the 32 best teams in the world  for that time...

[TrinInfinite]

The 32 best teams in the world at the end of the day are those that qualify for the world cup, an teams should not be robbed of their braging rights when the opportunity for all is based on a zonal system that has a balance to produce 32 of the best teams in the world at that point in time. When Holland did not qualify for a former WC were we to make excuses for them or say you have 14 spots in your zone if you did not get in well, see you next WC, Greece won the euro cup but did not qualify, football is unpredictable, first-timers Austrailia got thru to the 16 , TNT which before our first game was billed as the laughing stock of this world cup, came out with respect  despite a poor end result. May be the balance needs fine tuning give or take a team or two and increase the euro zone, but saying teams from one zone that did not qualify are better that teams that did qualify from another zone, is questionable because different teams peak at different times, an when a big name team does not have it's act together will result in not qualifying, so when you factor in all the ingredients of zones having more spots etc.. the WC produces the 32 best teams in the world  for that time...

very well said, right now these teams are the best in the world, until the next 4 years when other teams qualify and show they are the bess at that given time period

[FF]

The 32 best teams in the world at the end of the day are those that qualify for the world cup, an teams should not be robbed of their braging rights when the opportunity for all is based on a zonal system that has a balance to produce 32 of the best teams in the world at that point in time. When Holland did not qualify for a former WC were we to make excuses for them or say you have 14 spots in your zone if you did not get in well, see you next WC, Greece won the euro cup but did not qualify, football is unpredictable, first-timers Austrailia got thru to the 16 , TNT which before our first game was billed as the laughing stock of this world cup, came out with respect  despite a poor end result. May be the balance needs fine tuning give or take a team or two and increase the euro zone, but saying teams from one zone that did not qualify are better that teams that did qualify from another zone, is questionable because different teams peak at different times, an when a big name team does not have it's act together will result in not qualifying, so when you factor in all the ingredients of zones having more spots etc.. the WC produces the 32 best teams in the world  for that time...

very well said, right now these teams are the best in the world, until the next 4 years when other teams qualify and show they are the bess at that given time period

I do not believe I seeing this..... man posting that... and ah next man endorsing it??

That post is FANTASTIC RUBBISH (copyright real madness)

Not a coherent logical argument to be found....

[kicker]

The 32 best teams in the world at the end of the day are those that qualify for the world cup, an teams should not be robbed of their braging rights when the opportunity for all is based on a zonal system that has a balance to produce 32 of the best teams in the world at that point in time. When Holland did not qualify for a former WC were we to make excuses for them or say you have 14 spots in your zone if you did not get in well, see you next WC, Greece won the euro cup but did not qualify, football is unpredictable, first-timers Austrailia got thru to the 16 , TNT which before our first game was billed as the laughing stock of this world cup, came out with respect  despite a poor end result. May be the balance needs fine tuning give or take a team or two and increase the euro zone, but saying teams from one zone that did not qualify are better that teams that did qualify from another zone, is questionable because different teams peak at different times, an when a big name team does not have it's act together will result in not qualifying, so when you factor in all the ingredients of zones having more spots etc.. the WC produces the 32 best teams in the world  for that time...

very well said, right now these teams are the best in the world, until the next 4 years when other teams qualify and show they are the bess at that given time period

I do not believe I seeing this..... man posting that... and ah next man endorsing it??

That post is FANTASTIC RUBBISH (copyright real madness)

Not a coherent logical argument to be found....

  FF leave dem dread.

Men living in a dream world. Ideally the World Cup should consist of the 32 best teams in the World....and I'm sure that is the aim of the FIFA....hence the efforts to develop football in all regions in the interest of parity...

In reality, though this is not yet the case......and there's no shame in that...it's not an indictment on T&T......That's just how it is right now.

It's kinda funny though how even after we get our a$$ cut good and proper from Slovenia, that men could still be talkin' such mess

[Midknight]

The 32 best teams in the world at the end of the day are those that qualify for the world cup, an teams should not be robbed of their braging rights when the opportunity for all is based on a zonal system that has a balance to produce 32 of the best teams in the world at that point in time.

saying teams from one zone that did not qualify are better that teams that did qualify from another zone, is questionable because different teams peak at different times, an when a big name team does not have it's act together will result in not qualifying, so when you factor in all the ingredients of zones having more spots etc.. the WC produces the 32 best teams in the world  for that time...

This is rank illogical. Using your argument then there is no such thing as a 'better team'.

Here's a concrete example. I ent calling no names
team A plays 12 matches. It wins 6, draws 5 and loses 1. scoring 23 goals and conceding 9(incidentally one of these losses is to a future world cup QFist) it then goes on to play a 2 legged playoff with a team with a 4-6-0 18-7 record and loses one match 2-0 while losing the second 2-0. It doesn't qualify because of away goals.

team B plays 10 matches. It wins 4 draws 1 and loses 5, scoring 10 goals and conceding 15. (incidentally its biggest win was against a team that didn't win its group and couldn't advance past the second round)
It then goes on to play another team in a two legged playoff. Its opponent has a record of 1-3-4 (which should actually be 1-2-5) scoring 5 and conceding 8.
Team B draws one match 1-1 and then beats its opponent 1-0 to qualify.

TEAM A = 7-5-2 27-13
TEAM B = 5-4-5 12-16

But yes, team B is OBVIOUSLY better because they qualified for the world cup. That they gained 1 point and scored 0 goals there is obviously irrelevant to the argument.

Fellas. Trinidad qualifying for the world cup is a marvellous achievement. But lets not go overboard and claim that we're one of the 32 best teams in the world. It doesn't stop us from becoming one of them but we ARE NOT.

[ribbit]

Midknight, check your maths:

10-Jun-2006  DORTMUND (Germany)  TNT vs. Sweden 0:0 1 X 4 X 0.925 X 1.78
685.6 + 144.57 + 258.075 + 675.75 + 225.25 + 1160.25 + 898.875 + 937.125 = 4985.495/16 = 311.59

1x4x0.925x1.78 = 6.586 * 100 = 658.6

i calling price waterhouse for the rest. 

[dcs]

If they do this ranking again next month would things change since the countries have moved so much and your points depend on where they ranked?

Unless you get points based on the rank of the country when u beat them.
5-1 shouldn't get same exact amount of points as 1-0...should be some small extra weight put on the scoreline since in reality the vast majority of times it indicates a gap betw the two teams. I suppose people who say the result is all that matter (win loss or draw) wud be happy.

[Midknight]

Midknight, check your maths:

10-Jun-2006  DORTMUND (Germany)  TNT vs. Sweden 0:0 1 X 4 X 0.925 X 1.78
685.6 + 144.57 + 258.075 + 675.75 + 225.25 + 1160.25 + 898.875 + 937.125 = 4985.495/16 = 311.59

1x4x0.925x1.78 = 6.586 * 100 = 658.6

i calling price waterhouse for the rest. 

Oh gorm man, no need to call out men so...number crunching with a windows calculator ent easy yuh know...thanks for pointin out the error, but next time just pm me nah man...

[Midknight]

5-1 shouldn't get same exact amount of points as 1-0...should be some small extra weight put on the scoreline since in reality the vast majority of times it indicates a gap betw the two teams. I suppose people who say the result is all that matter (win loss or draw) wud be happy.

The strange thing is that the old fifa system (thateverbody hated so much) used to make the difference.

Go figure 

[ON DE BLOCK]

Take a look at the best 16 teams in the world cup at this stage you still Ghana Aust Mex Arg Braz Ecua, then the best 8 teams in the world, then 4 - 2 and the number one winner Italy, it's reality so kicker give de Forum Fag sleeping next to you a good kick, he only dreaming bout berlin an world cup done....

[Filho]

Take a look at the best 16 teams in the world cup at this stage you still Ghana Aust Mex Arg Braz Ecua, then the best 8 teams in the world, then 4 - 2 and the number one winner Italy, it's reality so kicker give de Forum Fag sleeping next to you a good kick, he only dreaming bout berlin an world cup done....

Everything you have said makes no sense