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 Jack
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Khadija
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PNM Fella
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Kamla
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The people of Chaguanas West
5 (35.7%)
Some big pappy contractor
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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1140 on: February 01, 2015, 12:16:13 PM »
^^ Good point. PM had removed Jack from office saying he need to clear his name before he can return to cabinet but seems like she is having an issue following the same standard with the AG

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1141 on: February 01, 2015, 12:17:24 PM »
http://www.caribbean360.com/news/trinidad-president-appoints-tribunal-probe-jack-warners-finances

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President Anthony Carmona has appointed a three-member tribunal to enquire and verify the contents of declarations of income, assets and liabilities of the leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) Jack Warner.

The tribunal, which includes retired Justice Sebastian Ventour, Dr Selly-Ann Lalchan and Deonarine Jaggernauth, will also enquire into Warner’s statements of registrable interests which were filed with the Integrity Commission
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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1142 on: February 01, 2015, 02:12:15 PM »
The instigation or reason behind that laughable slightly. That mean anybody could instigate that for anybody in public life and have a specifically established tribunal on their behalf.
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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1143 on: February 01, 2015, 04:15:55 PM »
So my take on this situation is that the AG must resign and will be disbarred. When he does resign the government will in essence have fallen as its Chief Legal Adviser has broken the law and has done so in a manner which taints his ethics and subsequently brings everything he has done since holding office into question. This means that elections must be called ASAP but knowing this Government they would find some excuse to declare a SOE note the comments by the Polce Service welfare Association...

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1144 on: February 01, 2015, 08:52:43 PM »
So my take on this situation is that the AG must resign and will be disbarred. When he does resign the government will in essence have fallen as its Chief Legal Adviser has broken the law and has done so in a manner which taints his ethics and subsequently brings everything he has done since holding office into question. This means that elections must be called ASAP but knowing this Government they would find some excuse to declare a SOE note the comments by the Polce Service welfare Association...

You are now starting to understand the thinking of the current government.

They have little care for the future of the country as their main focus is power and making themselves and their friends rich off of T&T taxpayers.
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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1145 on: February 03, 2015, 05:52:24 PM »
Jack: I warned the PM about Anand Ramlogan
By the Express Multimedia Desk


Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader, Jack Warner, hopes that Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar's statement at 4p.m. is to "relieve an over-burdened nation of her Attorney General".

Warner said Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, from his appointment, was nothing but a black spot on the country.

He said since the Chaguanas bye-election he has been begging Persad-Bissessar to "free herself from those cabalistic hands around her throat which have been isolating her from her people".

It is only then, Warner said, Persad-Bissessar would return as the "person whom this nation overwhelmingly elected on May, 24, 2010."

"On Monday, no doubt, the nation shall be relieved that the AG's pair of hands have been removed. I look forward to the removal of the other pairs of hands thereby freeing her and allowing her, after some four and one half years, to be the person the country elected her to be," he stated.

http://www.tv6tnt.com/news/Jack-Warner-on-the-firing-of-Ramlogan-and-Griffith-290599251.html

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1146 on: February 21, 2015, 03:44:36 PM »

Warner claims Chag Convention Centre leased to Moonilal’s friend

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02-21/warner-claims-chag-convention-centre-leased-moonilal’s-friend

Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner claimed yesterday the Government had leased the Chaguaramas Convention Centre to a businessman who is a friend of Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal. Warner was speaking to reporters after yesterday’s sitting of the House of Representatives. He said he attempted to have the issue “put on the record” in Parliament but did not succeed. Warner told reporters the facility was leased for $30 million.

Moonilal denied Warner’s claim in an e-mailed response yesterday. When the question was put to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar by Warner in Parliament she was unable to give details but promised to provide the required information soon. The House was adjourned to next Friday when debate on a motion of no confidence in House Speaker Wade Mark filed by Warner would commence.

Warner said yesterday he intended to “expose Mark in ways unimaginable.” Warner said Mark had not apologised to him for the controversy over a private motion of no confidence against Finance and the Economy Minister Larry Howai last month which was shot down on the basis of a pending High Court lawsuit.

At that time, Mark said he had been informed by the Judiciary that the matter up for debate was sub-judice. He later had to apologise to the Judiciary for the error and noted that he was really referring to a letter from Howai which stated that he had filed a lawsuit against Warner’s Sunshine newspaper and one of its editors regarding allegations of financial misconduct while he worked at First Citizens bank.

The motion against Mark is not expected to succeed as the Government has the majority in Parliament. Warner said, however, “Outside the House we have the majority.” He said next Friday would be “Jack Warner Day” in Parliament. —Richard Lord



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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1147 on: March 05, 2015, 10:50:13 PM »

Warner claims Chag Convention Centre leased to Moonilal’s friend

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02-21/warner-claims-chag-convention-centre-leased-moonilal’s-friend

Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner claimed yesterday the Government had leased the Chaguaramas Convention Centre to a businessman who is a friend of Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal. Warner was speaking to reporters after yesterday’s sitting of the House of Representatives. He said he attempted to have the issue “put on the record” in Parliament but did not succeed. Warner told reporters the facility was leased for $30 million.



This is getting more serious

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PNM-leader-ready-to-march-to-protect-Chaguaramas-Convention-Centre-295272171.html


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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1148 on: March 22, 2015, 05:06:36 AM »
Jack future hangs in the balance
By COREY CONNELLY (NEWSDAY).
Sunday, March 22 2015


He came to the constituency on a wave of popularity, representing, in the minds of those under his jurisdiction, the salve for the ills they had been experiencing over the decades.

Now, almost five years later, Jack Warner’s future as the Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West hangs in the balance, so much so that some constituents, dissatisfied with his leadership, are vowing to return to the fold of the United National Congress (UNC) in a region which has been one of the party’s traditional strongholds.

Some constituents contend that Warner, 72, political leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) has not been representing the constituency as effectively as he did prior to his party’s defeat in the October 21, 2013 Local Government election.

Although the fledgling party had made some headway, it still suffered a crushing blow in the poll and did not gain control of any corporation. The ILP, in essence, failed to build on momentum of its huge win in the Chaguanas West by-election, three months before. For resident Dolly Baldeo, the ILP leader has fallen terribly short of expectations in the constituency.

“Jack Warner fail,” she told Sunday Newsday during an interview at her parlour along Cacandee Road, Felicity.

Expressing disillusionment with Warner’s representation, Baldeo related a personal experience of being turned away from the constituency office last year whilst trying to get assistance with house repairs for one of her children. “He did not help me. He said he can’t help nobody now,” Baldeo said of Warner.

She also accused several staff members at the office of being impolite.

“They don’t know how to treat people and talk to people,” she said, claiming that other constituents also were disenchanted with Warner’s representation.

Baldeo claimed that Chaguanas West residents, during visits to the constituency office, often had to “take a back seat,” to persons from other areas.

She said Warner had not honoured many of his promises to the people.

“When he win the by-election, he said he would send doctors and other medical people to homes and nothing like that has come about. Why is he making promises and cannot fulfil it?” she asked.

Baldeo told Sunday Newsday she and members of her family were once ardent Warner supporters. “Although he has lost the election, we still stuck with him. We used to get sick behind Warner, coming home all 12 midnight and one o’clock in the morning,” she said. Baldeo acknowledged, though, that Warner still had some support in the constituency but could not say how he would fare in the upcoming general election. “I don’t even want to hear about election again,” she said. Baldeo listed inadequate housing, squatting and illegal drug use as some of the problems plaguing the community.

With a general election constitutionally due by September, Chaguanas West will be one of the constituencies to watch.

The ILP, which had its upheavals since entering the political landscape in July 5, 2013, said in a statement last November that it will re-contest the Chaguanas West seat along with 22 other constituencies for the election.

The party has begun its Meet The Constituencies tour, appointing shadow MPs in each of the constituencies it has agreed to contest thus far.

Warner, who beat the UNC’s Khadijah Ameen by more than 7,000 votes in the July 29, 2013 Chaguanas West by-election, is uncertain as to whether he will re-contest the seat. The People’s National Movement (PNM), meanwhile, has selected microbiologist Abbegail Nandalal, 29, as its candidate. Leader of Government Business in the Senate Ganga Singh is tipped to be the UNC’s candidate even though the party’s screening exercise is yet to begin.

At the height of his popularity in 2010, Warner brought home the Chaguanas West seat for the UNC, receiving 18,767 votes. The PNM’s Ronald Heera’s got just 1, 147 votes.

Later, following reports of allegations of wrongdoing in FIFA, the world governing body for football and the release of damning material which was contained in the Sir David Simmons Concacaf Integrity Commission report - Warner gave up both his ministerial portfolio and position as MP.

He subsequently sought a fresh mandate from his Chaguanas West constituents, many of whom had admitted to the possibility that Ameen could have maintained the party’s status quo in the central constituency.

Warner, though, secured an overwhelming victory, garnering 12, 631 votes in comparison to Ameen’s 5, 126 votes. The PNM’s Avinash Singh (now an Opposition senator and the PNM’s candidate for Caroni Central) received just 422 votes. The ILP, though, could not replicate its success of the Chaguanas West by-election on a national level in the Local Government election and was rejected in each corporation even though the party’s presence was felt in terms of the splitting of the votes in the Chaguanas corporation, a traditional UNC corporation. While some blamed Warner’s somewhat laxed representation on a perceived inability to access resources from central government, others chalked up his seeming indifference to an unwillingness to treat with the needs of the people in the aftermath of the ILP’s defeat in the local government election.

In Felicity, an area which had represented the bulk of Warner’s support, Mukesh Salickram contends that while there has been some “rapid enhancement” in Chaguanas West, there has been “no big improvements,” in terms of new projects.

A retired worker of the Couva/Tabaquite Regional Corporation, Salickram believes that Warner’s representation has “diminished to its lowest ebb.”

“When the election date is announced, then they will voice their opinion.”

In fact, he predicted victory for the UNC in the upcoming election.

“The UNC will take the seat because Jack is fragmenting,” he said.

“Plenty Jack supporters rock back and gone UNC but I don’t know what will play off.”

Salickram said an incoming MP will need to focus on completing existing projects, given the falling oil prices.

But for some residents, Warner remains the ultimate representative.

“I would like to see him go back as the candidate,” Angie Ramnath said.

“He was here for Divali and he comes out a gives hampers in December.”

Ramnath said it was Warner and not Kamla Persad-Bissessar, that should have been prime minister in the first place.

“Is he who put her there,” she claimed.

Born and raised in Felicity, Ramnath said Warner had love for the people.

“You could talk to him anywhere. He is never too busy for anything and he is always concerned about what you have to say. As my grandson used to say before the by-election - Jack is the man.”

“Win or no win, we still voting for him,” Ramnath said.

Saying she could not understand how the ILP lost the Local Government election, Ramnath said Warner had many supporters.

“When he coming around, real crowd does turn out,” she said.

Another staunch Warner supporter, who lives on Bachu Kariah Street, also claimed that the Chaguanas West MP still had weight in the constituency but admitted that his popularity had reduced somewhat.

“It is a close call and it is really tipping more to the Partnership side,” he said.

The man argued that the Partnership had “unlimited funds,” which he felt could be used to sway former ILP voters to the UNC and he contended that the quality of Warner’s representation had not dwindled.

UNC chairman Khadijah Ameen, who had unsuccessfully challenged Warner in the Chaguanas West by-election, said the party had been doing its work in the constituency and was confident of regaining the seat in the upcoming general election.

“We have been very active, I have no doubt that Chaguanas West will return to the UNC in 2015,” she told Sunday Newsday.

Ameen said since the by-election, the party’s campaign office, along the Southern Main Road, Charlieville, has remained open to service the needs of constituents.

She said: “The resources of the government’s been reaching to the people through several ministers. We also have a system in the party where senators become caretakers of various constituencies. For instance, Ganga Singh is the caretaker for Chaguanas West.”

Ameen said the constituency experienced much neglect under the PNM.

“We had a lot of work to do in terms of agricultural access roads, infrastructure, repairs to schools,” she said. Adding that the party had also maintained strong social and religious ties through several functioning non-governmental organisations in the constituency.

The UNC’s party groups were also very active, she said.

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1149 on: March 22, 2015, 05:26:54 AM »
Not surprising.  All of a sudden he too busy? All of a sudden he can't get things done? All of a sudden the seat may go back Unc? 
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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1150 on: March 22, 2015, 05:54:50 AM »
His inability to get money from the central government. He no longer has access to the ATM.

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1151 on: March 22, 2015, 07:52:45 PM »
What balance that going back to the UNC. Crapaud politics they can even send back the chairperson she will win.
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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1152 on: March 22, 2015, 10:25:09 PM »

She also accused several staff members at the office of being impolite.

“They don’t know how to treat people and talk to people,” she said, claiming that other constituents also were disenchanted with Warner’s representation.

He must have trained his staff to respond 'ask yuh muddah' when people came and asked a question.

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« Reply #1153 on: March 23, 2015, 08:29:11 AM »

She also accused several staff members at the office of being impolite.

“They don’t know how to treat people and talk to people,” she said, claiming that other constituents also were disenchanted with Warner’s representation.


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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1154 on: March 26, 2015, 02:21:43 AM »
Jack walks out too
By SEAN DOUGLAS (Newsday).


CHAGUANAS West MP Jack Warner stayed in the Lower House after the Opposition’s walkout from yesterday’s no-confidence debate in Opposition Leader, Dr Keith Rowley, but later himself walked out in apparent protest at the limits of the subject matter allowed in the debate.

Warner said the motion was an attempt to demonise Rowley and it had only reached Parliament because Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar had allegedly been “kidnapped” by a Hindu cabal.

Government Chief Whip Dr Roodal Moonilal rose to complain that such a remark violated the standing orders and Education Minister Dr Tim Gopeesingh seated nearby urged, “Ask him (Warner) to withdraw.”

Speaker Wade Mark advised Warner to try to link his speech to the substantive motion before the House.

Warner replied, “Mr Speaker, you’d said the gloves are off.”

Mark responded, “It is a substantive motion against the Member for Diego Martin West. All gloves are off with respect to that Member, but not other Members. The only person under the spotlight is the Leader of the Opposition.”

Warner asked if he could speak about other MPs, to which Mark advised him to stay within the standing orders.

Warner stated, “In the Bible the shortest verse is ‘Jesus wept’. This shall now go down as my shortest contribution. I now weep, Mr Speaker.”

He took his seat, packed his briefcase and left the chamber.

Earlier, Warner had said the motion was “meaningless and has no substance”, yet the Government had dropped all the other affairs of the country to go to Parliament to debate it. “There are so many other pressing issues,” he chided. “Nothing that is said here could not have been said on a platform outside.”

Warner said while the outcome of any vote on the motion would be won by the weight of Government numbers, what would happen next?

Asking if the Government side would try to fire Rowley as Opposition Leader, Warner said Government MPs had not appointed him and so could not move him. He said Opposition MPs had chosen Rowley as leader.

“To come here with this motion is an abuse of parliamentary time,” he chided the Government. “This has to be an abuse, a waste of Parliament’s time and resources”. The motion is “frivolous in the extreme,” he hit.

Warner asked aloud who was so badly advising the PM, and suggested she may have enemies within her Government. They should instead be debating issues such as last Monday’s road gridlock, and the issues of education, health, crime and the economy. Earlier Warner had accused St Augustine MP Prakash Ramadhar of blind loyalty to the Government, but was told by the Speaker, “Do not reflect on a Member’s character.”

Warner suggested the Prime Minister had not accepted an explanation on the handling of a credit card by Minister in the Ministry of the People, Vernella Alleyne-Toppin, repeated in the House earlier.

Continuing on Alleyne-Toppin, he said it was difficult to watch an MP denigrate another MP, in a case for which no criminal charges were ever laid and for which there exists no mug-shot nor fingerprints. By contrast he said persons today sit as Ministers who had once been arrested. He alleged Government has abandoned its job to engage in tunnel-vision electioneering.

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1155 on: March 26, 2015, 04:58:11 AM »
Jack walks out too
By SEAN DOUGLAS (Newsday).




Mark responded, “It is a substantive motion against the Member for Diego Martin West. All gloves are off with respect to that Member, but not other Members. The only person under the spotlight is the Leader of the Opposition.”

Earlier Warner had accused St Augustine MP Prakash Ramadhar of blind loyalty to the Government, but was told by the Speaker, “Do not reflect on a Member’s character.”






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« Reply #1156 on: March 26, 2015, 05:28:52 AM »
Asking if the Government side would try to fire Rowley as Opposition Leader, Warner said Government MPs had not appointed him and so could not move him. He said Opposition MPs had chosen Rowley as leader.

“To come here with this motion is an abuse of parliamentary time,” he chided the Government. “This has to be an abuse, a waste of Parliament’s time and resources”. The motion is “frivolous in the extreme,” he hit.


Damn, this govt making Jack look like "the man of the people".

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« Reply #1157 on: March 26, 2015, 06:15:20 AM »
Asking if the Government side would try to fire Rowley as Opposition Leader, Warner said Government MPs had not appointed him and so could not move him. He said Opposition MPs had chosen Rowley as leader.

“To come here with this motion is an abuse of parliamentary time,” he chided the Government. “This has to be an abuse, a waste of Parliament’s time and resources”. The motion is “frivolous in the extreme,” he hit.


Damn, this govt making Jack look like "the man of the people".

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« Reply #1158 on: March 26, 2015, 08:29:05 PM »
Asking if the Government side would try to fire Rowley as Opposition Leader, Warner said Government MPs had not appointed him and so could not move him. He said Opposition MPs had chosen Rowley as leader.

“To come here with this motion is an abuse of parliamentary time,” he chided the Government. “This has to be an abuse, a waste of Parliament’s time and resources”. The motion is “frivolous in the extreme,” he hit.


Damn, this govt making Jack look like "the man of the people".

You know things bad when Jack is the voice of reason.
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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1159 on: March 29, 2015, 06:26:58 AM »
Code of conduct doesn’t stop ‘dirty political games’
By Renuka Singh (Guardian).


Despite political parties having twice signed the Code of Ethical Political Conduct, their war of words has been marked by dirty political games in the lead-up to the 2015 general election. The code, which sets out to regulate the behaviour of political parties, was signed last September and again on Wednesday but has done little to stem the venom. As the mudslinging reached a new level, one MP is forced to defend himself in the face of accusations that, if proven, could lead to criminal charges. While another is promising to resign if allegations against him are found to be true.

Independent Liberal Party leader Jack Warner found himself on the defensive after a video recording was produced by the People’s National Movement in which Roselyn Alleyne, mother of Dr Keith Rowley’s son Garth Alleyne, stated that she was offered money to say Rowley raped her years ago. In the video, though certain names were edited out,  Warner could hear what sounded like his name being called as the alleged financier willing to pay Alleyne for her testimony against Rowley. Warner immediately distanced himself from the allegation.

Warner: It wasn’t me

 Warner said he did not make any financial offer to Alleyne. Warner could hear what sounded like his name being featured in the video recording of Alleyne refuting allegations that she was raped by Rowley some 46 years ago. The video was released by the PNM Women’s League to defend Rowley against allegations made by Minister in the Ministry of the People and Social Development, Vernella Alleyne-Toppin, during a motion of censure debate brought against Rowley last Wednesday.

Though Alleyne-Toppin has since offered a qualified apology, the PNM continues to call for her resignation. In the video recording, Alleyne (Roselyn) claimed a “very close relative” and Alleyne-Toppin visited her family offering money for her to sign an affidavit in which it was claimed that she was attacked by Rowley and it resulted in the birth of his son. There was an attempt to edit out Warner’s name, but Alleyne (Roselyn) could be heard saying that she was told (what sounded like) Warner had money and was willing to pay.

This, Warner said, is “outrageous” and “dirty games” being played in the political arena. “Imagine this recording was in August 2014. I had already left that Government and not only had my own party but had already won the Chaguanas West seat with my own party. Why in God’s name would they be using my name?” Warner said. Warner said he also had an idea of who was the real “money man” behind the offer.

“Like Garth Alleyne said, this tells you a lot about the character of the people using my name in this,” Warner said. The Sunday Guardian understands that the people named in the seven-minute recording could face charges of criminal libel. One PNM insider confirmed that the party was “not letting this end here” and while they did not want to distract the country from the important national issues, the party was not prepared to let matters be swept under the rug.

Moonilal: Rowley’s accusations scandalous, irresponsible

Meanwhile, another MP facing allegations on the campaign platform, Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal, is seeking to eradicate all speculation that he is linked to the construction and ownership of a mall in the Netherlands. In a text interview with the Sunday Guardian on Thursday, Moonilal was so confident of having no connection to the mall that he promised to “resign from all public offices” if Rowley could prove a link.

Moonilal has come under fire after it was alleged that he constructed and owned a mall in the Netherlands. “I am willing to resign from all public offices if Rowley can find five per cent truth in such scandalous and irresponsible accusations,” Moonilal said. He said the long-running rumour was started by Independent Liberal Party chairman Jack Warner and he challenged both Warner and the PNM to make the accusations in public. “They take basket from Jack and can never say that in public,” Moonilal said.

“This proves my case that Rowley is unfit for high office by making such allegations without not even fabricated evidence. How can we trust a man who accuses people without even the lies to back it up?” he said. Moonilal also said he could not possibly afford a mall since he was trying to purchase an executive townhouse in Woodbrook and could not afford that.

Analyst: It could get better if they adhere to Code of conduct

One political analyst, Bishnu Ragoonath, said yesterday the political landscape could improve if the politicians adhered to the Code of Ethical Conduct. After the sequence of events following Alleyne-Toppin’s debate contribution last Wednesday, including her qualified apology and the video recording of Rowley’s son and the son’s mother, Ragoonath said things might become more “restrained.”

“If they adhere to the Code of Ethics they have to restrain themselves and their party members,” Ragoonath said. Ragoonath said in his opinion, Alleyne-Toppin’s apology was “insufficient” considering the allegations she made against Rowley. “But whether genuine or not an apology came in a short time after the statement,” he said. Ragoonath does not think this latest political battle would have an impact on the general election, but only because the actual election is some months away. “I’m sure other issues are coming and in the final weeks this may be forgotten,” he said.

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1160 on: May 01, 2015, 02:20:51 AM »
Red card for Jack
By AZARD ALI (Newsday).


JACK WARNER was yesterday condemned by a High Court judge who said that the Independent Liberal Party political leader should be investigated by the Integrity Commission (IC).

Justice Frank Seepersad made the pronouncement that Warner, when he was a Minister in the People’s Partnership, was given free secretarial services by a man who was then given a contract by the Local Organising Committee (LOC) South Africa 2010 Ltd in the staging of the Women’s Under 17 World cup tournament. The LOC was chaired by Warner.

The man, Immamudin Baksh and his company — Graphix Advantage Ltd (GAL) sued the Football Federation (TTFF), Warner and LOC, for $1.2 million after he was not paid. On the issue of Baksh providing free secretarial services for Warner who at the tine was Minister of Works and Infrastructure, Justice Seepersad yesterday said, “Inappropriate behaviour in public office has to be condemned and cannot be tolerated.”

The LOC, which at the time was chaired by Warner, was established by the TTFF — which at the time had as its Special Adviser Jack Warner — for the sole purpose of staging the World Cup tournament in TT. The LOC was yesterday ordered by Seepersad to pay GAL $1.2. GAL was contracted by the LOC to erect signs, posters and banners at stadiums and the airport, for hosting of the tournament.

The judge found that more than the fact that Baksh’s GAL was not paid $1.2 million, he worked free of charge for Warner who was a member of the Government. Such free services to a member of the executive arm of government, the judge added, warrants an investigation by the IC. At the trial, both Warner and Baksh testified.

In a nine-page judgment yesterday, Seepersad stated that LOC was a company set up by TTFF solely for organising the women’s World Cup. Baksh was working for Warner as his secretary. The PP Government came into power in May 2010 and Baksh claimed that in August of that year, it was Warner who asked Baksh to provide banners and posters at all stadia in the country for the event. Baksh stated that Warner told him, “I am LOC!”

Warner contended, however, that it was the LOC who contracted Baksh’s GAL as evidenced by invoices and delivery notes addressed to the LOC. During the trial, Warner was cross-examined by Senior Counsel Hendrickson Seunath who represented GAL. Attorney Keith Scotland and Owen Hinds Jr represented the LOC and Warner respectively.

In his judgment, Seepersad found that given Warner’s reputation in football and his relationship with Baksh who worked for him gratuitously (free), it could not be said that he (Warner) did not enter into a contract with Baksh.

Seepersad said the court felt compelled to voice its alarm at the employment arrangement between Baksh and Warner. Justice Seepersad said public officers must jealously guard the integrity of their office and the acceptance of gratuitous labour by holders of high office, is unacceptable.

“Such arrangements undermine the integrity and independence of the office,” Justice Seepersad said. “A perception is thereby created that such arrangements are reflective of a situation where the provider of gratuitous service expects and/or receives remuneration in other unconventional ways.”

The judge did not order Warner to pay Baksh but instead ordered the TTFF and LOC, to pay the $1,262,413.19, with interest. The Integrity Commission last month requested that President Anthony Carmona appoint a tribunal to investigate Warner’s income, assets and liabilities, by virtue of him being a former minister and currently a Member of Parliament.

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1161 on: May 01, 2015, 05:39:27 AM »
The judge did not order Warner to pay Baksh but instead ordered the TTFF and LOC, to pay the $1,262,413.19, with interest.

So, is Tim Kee and company now have to pay that? Grossly unfair. But..... he is TTFF/TTFA now!!!

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1162 on: May 01, 2015, 09:20:21 AM »
The judge did not order Warner to pay Baksh but instead ordered the TTFF and LOC, to pay the $1,262,413.19, with interest.

So, is Tim Kee and company now have to pay that? Grossly unfair. But..... he is TTFF/TTFA now!!!
No that is fair, TTFF had to advertise to make money on the cup, so that is a normal expense. The unfairness only come in if they could track the returns / profits etc that somehow disappear.

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1163 on: May 01, 2015, 09:42:57 AM »
unfairness only come in if they could track the returns / profits etc that somehow disappear.


Kounty, how long you around. " the returns / profits etc that somehow disappear". You honestly feel they will somehow find what disappeared. They will set up another 6 month Commission to find out what Jack did with the money. Then they will delay another 6 months. Then it will be a year before Moscow!!!

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1164 on: May 05, 2015, 01:58:52 AM »
JACK LYING ON ME
By JADA LOUTOO (Newsday).
Tuesday, May 5 2015


FORMER Attorney General Anand Ramlogan has accused his former Cabinet colleague Jack Warner of fabricating lies against him to defend defamatory statements of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader at a political meeting at Endeavour, Chaguanas, two years ago.

Ramlogan has filed a defamation claim against Warner for statements allegedly made on the hustings during the ILP’s local government election campaign. At the meeting held on October 19, 2013, Warner alleged that the then AG was the owner of over 51 properties, “some of them in his brother’s name.”

Warner also claimed Ramlogan gave permission for British solicitor Ackbar Ali to take care of his business. The ILP’s leader has admitted he made the statements after they were told to him by Ramlogan at a meeting of state boards at the Diplomatic Centre, chaired by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, one year earlier.

According to Warner, Ramlogan informed the prime minister of the properties he acquired in response to a question she asked. Ramlogan has denied having any conversation with his former Cabinet colleague, saying he did not trust Warner to discuss his personal affairs with him.

Testifying at the trial currently underway in the Port-of-Spain Civil Court, before Justice Robin Mohammed, Ramlogan insisted Warner’s claim that he told him he was the owner of 51 properties was “completely false” and a “fabrication.”

“I have no reason to lie. No such conversation had taken place,” Ramlogan insisted. Pressed again by Warner’s attorney Keith Scotland about the alleged conversation on the ownership of the properties, the former attorney general flippantly said he wished he was the owner of 51 properties. “Then I would not be here,” he said. Ramlogan said as Cabinet colleagues, he and Warner would only speak of matters relating to the government or politics as they did not share a close relationship.

Ramlogan, in response to questions by Scotland, admitted that while Warner did not expressly accuse him of corruption or used the words “ill gotten means,” the meaning of what was said on the platform drew that inescapable conclusion.

He said his private law practice, prior to him taking up office as attorney general in 2010, was thriving financially. He said he did own substantial properties and rightly so but Warner’s claims were made in malice and were untrue.

During his cross-examination of the former AG, Scotland went through every paragraph of his witness statement, and asserted that his client made no direct reference to Ramlogan being corrupt and the two paragraphs complained of were taken out of a larger address as the leader of a political party, who also spoke of national and political issues.

Warner is using the principles of truth, fair comment and absolute privilege to defend the statements he made on the hustings, saying he was justified in doing so as he sought to highlight the issue. Scotland also unsuccessfully attempted to refer to Ramlogan’s resignation from Government in February, saying it went to character evidence.

But lead counsel for Ramlogan, Avory Sinanan, SC, argued that his client’s resignation had no relevance to what occurred in October 2013, when it is alleged Warner made defamatory statements during an ILP political meeting at Endeavour, Chaguanas.

Ramlogan resigned after being accused of witness tampering in a defamation lawsuit he filed against Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley. Police Complaints’ Authority director David West has alleged Ramlogan called him and sought to have him withdraw the witness statement he filed in Rowley’s defence. An investigation has since been launched by the Acting Commissioner of Police.

Sinanan reminded the court that the investigation was ongoing and Warner’s defence team could not use the allegations, which are yet to be proven, to impugn Ramlogan’s character.

Sinanan’s objection was upheld.

Earlier, in his opening address, Ramlogan’s attorney said the onus was on Warner to establish the truth of the allegations he made on the platform.

“What is set out in his defence is a far cry from what was said on the platform,” Sinanan said, adding that it was disingenuous for Warner to say he relied on what Ramlogan told him to justify what he said at the political meeting in Endeavour. “We have denied having any conversation with the defendant,” Sinanan said. He said the claim by the ILP leader was his machination drafted to enhance his political image and that of his party.

“The statements were distorted and entirely false,” he said. Sinanan contended that Warner could not use statements he alleged were told to him by Ramlogan to prove his case, but needed direct corroborating evidence.

He said the court had to pronounce on the bonafides of Warner’s defence but only if he provided credible evidence. It is the duty of the court to determine if the statements were defamatory or if any of his defences will exonerate him from culpability.

“The more serious the allegations the more cogent the evidence you have to bring to prove your statements,” Sinanan said. The trial continues today when Warner will testify after his attorney delivers his opening address. Also representing Ramlogan are Kelvin Ramkissoon, Gerald Ramdeen and Varun Debideen while Asha Watkins-Montserrin and Jacqueline Chang appear for Warner.

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1165 on: May 06, 2015, 01:59:29 AM »
I did not trust Warner with my personal info
By Derek Achong (Guardian)


Ramlogan at defamation lawsuit:

Former attorney general Anand Ramlogan testified in court yesterday about his real estate investments, saying he bought four separate properties all funded from his private practice and all were acquired before he accepted the role as a government minister in May 2010.

Ramlogan was giving evidence in support of a defamation lawsuit he brought against his one-time Cabinet colleague Jack Warner who claimed at a public meeting that former attorney general acquired 51 properties during his tenure.

In his lengthy testimony which spanned more than five hours, Ramlogan repeatedly stated that Warner’s claims were not true.

“That is completely false I have no reason to lie. If I did I would not be here,” Ramlogan said.

Throughout the hearing before Justice Robin Mohammed, at the Hall of Justice, Port-of-Spain. Ramlogan refrained from making eye contact with Warner who was seated at the opposite end of the courtroom.

Warner resigned in April 2013 over allegations of bribery related to his role as then vice-president of Fifa. Warner went on to form a political party, the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), and retained his Chaguanas West seat in a by-election.

Ramlogan resigned in February after claims of witness tampering were made by director of the Police Complaints Authority David West. Police are still investigating that matter.

As he sought to prove Warner’s claims, which were made at a ILP public meeting in 2013 had a factual basis, his lawyer Keith Scotland alleged that Warner had obtained the information through private conversations with Ramlogan.

Ramlogan categorically denied that as he said: “We would discuss matters related to the Government and the political party. I cannot say I trusted Warner enough to discuss my personal affairs with him. That kind of relationship did not exist.”

While he admitted his client’s allegations painted Ramlogan in a negative light, Scotland claimed Warner was justified as it was made while he was commenting on issues of national importance as the leader of a “major” political party.

“I would not describe it like as that,” Ramlogan said as he joked about the size of the ILP’s support base.

Moving away from the size of Ramlogan’s alleged property portfolio described by Warner, Scotland quizzed Ramlogan on his ability to purchase the four properties which he admitted he owned in the lawsuit.

“You have acknowledged you own some substantial properties. Do you agree that you can’t afford to buy all of them on a minister’s salary?” Scotland asked.

Ramlogan said: “Collectively no but individually yes.” He then claimed that all the properties he owned were purchased before his stint as AG and using money he earned from his private legal practice.

Scotland drew an objection from Ramlogan’s legal team as he attempted to question him on allegations of witness tampering.

“That is totally irrelevant. What occurred after October 2013 has no bearing in this case. He is seeking to impugn the reputation of this man,” Senior Counsel Avory Sinanan quipped.

Justice Mohammed agreed as he barred Scotland from touching on the topic again.

Warner was expected to testify after Ramlogan but he had to leave the hearing early to attend the funeral of ILP’s Tobago regional co-ordinator Lionel Coker, who died last week.

Ramlogan is also being represented by Kelvin Ramkisson, Gerald Ramdeen and Varun Debideen.

The trial continues this morning.

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1166 on: May 06, 2015, 02:06:32 AM »
Jack fights for ‘not’
By JADA LOUTOO
Wednesday, May 6 2015


INDEPENDENT Liberal Party (ILP) political leader Jack Warner did not defame former attorney general Anand Ramlogan when he spoke of the latter’s property investments and relationship with a British solicitor. Warner was justified when he shared the information on a political platform.

Warner is contending that when he made the comments in October 2013, it was not with the intention to harass his former Cabinet colleague, but was fair comment made in good faith without malice.

Although this is Warner’s defence on paper, he was unable to be cross-examined by Ramlogan’s lead counsel Avory Sinanan SC, yesterday. Warner spent less than five minutes after being called to the witness box; thanked presiding judge Robin Mohammed for granting him permission to attend the funeral of ILP Tobago coordinator Lionel Coker on Monday, swore on the Bible to tell the truth and said he wanted to include the word “not,” which had been omitted in paragraph 22 of his witness statement, to which Sinanan objected.

Ramlogan’s lead counsel said Warner could not now include that word and should have filed a supplemental witness statement. The former government minister sat outside the courtroom in the Port-of-Spain High Court, as attorneys for both sides argued for and against Warner being allowed to include the word “not.”

Mohammed eventually ruled that allowing Warner to make the correction would do no damage to Ramlogan’s case. “I do not think it is so grave that it cannot be corrected on cross examination,” Mohammed said, before adjourning the matter to May 26.

Warner’s attorney Keith Scotland, in his opening address, said his client would prove that he was justified when he claimed Ramlogan was the owner of 51 properties in TT and spoke of the former AG’s relationship with British solicitor Ackbar Ali on October 19, 2013, while addressing supporters at a meeting at Endeavor, Chaguanas, in the run-up to the Local Government Elections.

Scotland told the judge he must link the words complained of to the wider picture as it was only two paragraphs of an 11-page speech. Warner is using the principles of justification, fair comment and qualified privilege to defend the statements he made on the hustings, saying it was what was told to him by Ramlogan during conversations they had on two occasions.

According to Scotland, it was fair comment as there was no malice intended by the ILP leader and the words were uttered in honesty as he expressed his opinions on matters of public interest.

To further bolster his client’s defence that the words spoken were not defamatory, Scotland insisted it was covered by qualified privilege since it was said days before one of the more significant elections in TT. The former attorney general is claiming damages and exemplary damages. He is represented by Sinanan, Kelvin Ramkissoon, Gerald Ramdeen and Varun Debideen while Asha Watkins-Montserrin and Jacqueline Chang also appear for Warner.

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1167 on: May 27, 2015, 01:55:04 AM »
Well Jack under some REAL pressure


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FIFA Officials Arrested on Corruption Charges; Blatter Isn’t Among Them

The law enforcement official said the soccer officials charged are Jeffrey Webb, Eugenio Figueredo, Jack Warner, Eduardo Li, Julio Rocha, Costas Takkas, Rafael Esquivel, José Maria Marin and Nicolás Leoz.

Charges were also expected against the sports-marketing executives Alejandro Burzaco, Aaron Davidson, Hugo Jinkis and Mariano Jinkis. Authorities also charged José Margulies as an intermediary who facilitated illegal payments

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/sports/soccer/fifa-officials-face-corruption-charges-in-us.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1168 on: May 27, 2015, 02:00:53 AM »
Warner kept quiet about corruption.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner has testified that he turned a blind eye to apparent corrupt practices of his former cabinet colleagues while serving as a government minister.

Warner was testifying before Justice Robin Mohammed in the Port-of-Spain High Court, in his defence against a defamation lawsuit brought against him by former attorney general Anand Ramlogan, SC.

In cross-examining Warner, Ramlogan’s lawyer Avory Sinanan, SC, repeatedly asked Warner why he chose to make allegations against Ramlogan only after he broke his ties with the People’s Partnership coalition Government in 2013.

“Was it convenient for you to stay quiet?” Sinanan asked as he sought to challenge Warner’s defence to the lawsuit, namely, that he had a duty to inform the public of questionable government activity.

“It was prudent. There is a difference,” Warner responded.

Sinanan: “Is that not the height of opportunism?”

Warner: “I totally disagree with you.”

Sinanan: “You fabricated these statements in an effort to get political mileage.”

Warner: “No, sir. It was for the good of the country.”

Warner also repeatedly denied he had any animosity towards the former attorney general, saying the controversial statement he was being sued for related only to Ramlogan’s conduct in the run-up to the 2013 Local Government election.

Even as Ramlogan’s lawyers confronted him with excerpts of the statement made at an ILP meeting in October 2013 in which he described Ramlogan as “scandalous and dangerous,” Warner reiterated that he had no malice towards Ramlogan.

“Do you think he (Ramlogan) is fit for public office and for the position of attorney general?” Sinanan asked.

“Even up to today,” Warner said. His responses appeared to have caught Ramlogan off guard, who was smirking as he listened to Warner’s evidence in the courtroom.

“He is my friend of 20 years. Our friendship has waned but I still hold him in high esteem,” Warner said.

Ramlogan’s lawsuit centres around a statement made by Warner alleging that Ramlogan had acquired a significant property portfolio by corrupt means during his stint as AG.

Warner has contended that his claims, which he believed to be true at the time, were based on private conversations with Ramlogan. Ramlogan has provided evidence that he owns only four properties and he denies ever confiding in Warner.

Warner, who served in both Ministries of Works and Transport and National Security, resigned in April 2013 over allegations of bribery related to his role as then vice-president of Fifa. Warner went on to form his own political party, ILP, and retained his Chaguanas West seat in a by-election.

Ramlogan resigned in February after claims of witness tampering were made by Director of the Police Complaints Authority David West in relation to a separate defamation lawsuit against Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley. Police are still investigating that matter.

Ramlogan is also being represented by Kelvin Ramkisson, Gerald Ramdeen and Varun Debideen. Warner is being represented by Keith Scotland.

Mohammed is expected to deliver his judgement in the case on July 30.

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Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« Reply #1169 on: May 27, 2015, 02:03:30 AM »
SAINT JACK
By JADA LOUTOO (Newsday).
Wednesday, May 27 2015


INDEPENDENT Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner yesterday said it was not prudent for him to expose corruption while he was a member of the Kamla Persad-Bissessar-led Cabinet.

The former senior minister in the People’s Partnership (PP) Government — holding the ministerial posts of Works and Infrastructure and then National Security before his resignation in April 2013 — was testifying in his defence at the trial of a libel lawsuit filed against him by his PP former colleague, former Attorney General Anand Ramlogan SC.

Under cross examination by Ramlogan’s lead counsel Avory Sinanan SC, Warner said although it was his duty as a Member of Parliament to expose corruption, he did nothing from 2010, when he was made a minister in the PP government, to 2013, when he mounted a political platform as leader of the then newly-formed ILP, addressing supporters at a meeting in Endeavour, Chaguanas, in the run-up to the local government elections.

Warner said, in his defence, it would not have been convenient to speak out while a member of the government and at that time it was prudent for him to remain silent.

“As long as you and Anand Ramlogan remained in the Cabinet this duty (to expose corruption) did not arise. Then all of a sudden you turn into Saint Jack...‘campaign crusader’,” Sinanan accused the Chaguanas West MP.

Warner, the first sitting MP in recent times, to testify at a trial in which he is party, spent the greater part of the day yesterday testifying on the contents of the speech he gave on October 19, 2013.

He was not only asked about his references to the former AG, but also to the Prime Minister and certain Cabinet members whom he said were political liabilities. In his October 19 address, Warner spoke of Ramlogan’s property investments and relationship with British solicitor Akbar Ali.

He insisted he never defamed Ramlogan, but was justified when he shared the information on the political platform.

Justice Robin Mohammed, who is presiding over the lawsuit, is expected to give his decision on July 30, at the close of the law term.

In his cross examination, Sinanan accused the ILP leader of engaging in “pure and simple naked politics” and of making the offending statements about the former Attorney General to gain political mileage and get rid of Ramlogan.

In reply, Warner insisted he never alleged impropriety on Ramlogan’s part as it related to his real estate investments, but said the comments he made were relative to the campaign and directed at supporters to go out and vote for the ILP at the local government polls.

Warner admitted when he said Ramlogan was the owner of 51 properties he did not qualify his statement to suggest that there was nothing wrong for someone to own 51 properties or that the former AG could have purchased said properties prior to entering public office.

According to Warner, he left it up to his audience to form their own judgement on what he said, but maintained that he never said Ramlogan purchased the real estate while as a minister. The former government minister denied he was ‘reckless’ by not qualifying his statement.

He said it was Ramlogan who shared the information about his property investments in conversations on two occasions, and what he said on the platform was what he was told “nothing more, nothing less.”

Warner also said he never asked nor did Ramlogan tell him how he came to own 51 properties, which according to the ILP leader were vested in the name of the former AG’s brother.

Asked whether he was alleging that the former Attorney General breached the integrity of his office and preferred private gain over public service, Warner said that was not his intent.

He insisted he never equated Ramlogan’s conduct to criminal or legal breaches, although he said he questioned Ramlogan’s propriety when he was told of the latter’s property investments. Warner further testified that his suspicions were aroused when it was mentioned that the properties were being held in Ramlogan’s brother’s name.

But the former minister maintained that Ramlogan was his friend for more than two decades, and he held him in high esteem. Warner even said he believed Ramlogan to be fit for the Office of the Attorney General and still is.

He said any bad behaviour on the part of anyone, he would look at it to be the exception from the norm. Warner is using the principles of justification, fair comment and qualified privilege to defend the statements he made on the hustings.

Ramlogan has denied speaking with Warner about his personal life and of his ownership of real estate or of his relationship with Ali. He said while the two were former Cabinet colleagues, he did not trust Warner to divulge such information to him. Ramlogan contends the statements were distorted and entirely false and were said to enhance his political image and that of his party.

The former attorney general is claiming damages and exemplary damages. He is represented by Sinanan, Kelvin Ramkissoon, Gerald Ramdeen and Varun Debideen while Asha Watkins- Montserrin and Jacqueline Chang also appear for Warner.

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